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Prison overcrowding

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Message 1 - posted by robbiethelyddite, Oct 21, 2006

Is part of the solution not to develop 'local lockups' like we used to have. Rather than treat prisoners as a mass, we should look at the type of offences and offenders and produce the right kind of penal establishment.

These could be used for people with short sentances or first offenders. With the proviso that violent criminal or fraudsters go to real gaol. This could allow people to keep their jobs while 'imprisoned' - and perhaps ensure tagging worked. I guess that they would be cheaper than the vast prisons we currently have?
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Message 2 - posted by U5647609, Oct 21, 2006

Why would part of the solution be not to have Local Prisons?

Is part of the solution not to develop 'local lockups' like we used to have. Rather than treat prisoners as a mass, we should look at the type of offences and offenders and produce the right kind of penal establishment.

These could be used for people with short sentances or first offenders. With the proviso that violent criminal or fraudsters go to real gaol. This could allow people to keep their jobs while 'imprisoned' - and perhaps ensure tagging worked. I guess that they would be cheaper than the vast prisons we currently have?

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Message 3 - posted by U4357578, Oct 21, 2006

Newcastlemassive.

I think that you may have read it wrong.

Perhaps if it was written..

Isn't part of the solution to have local prisons like we used to.

Anyway, we do have local prisons. Wormwood Scrubs is a local prison.

In London we have a high security prison, a young offenders prison, a semi open prison (where criminals get to keep their jobs), 4 local prisons and a female prison.

How local do these places need to be?
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Message 4 - posted by U5647609, Oct 21, 2006

I work in a Local Prison in London.
But we do have Local Prisons all over the place. HMP Durham is now a Local Prison, HMP Birmingham, etc. You can't get more Local than some of the London Prisons.
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Message 5 - posted by Lizziedripping, Oct 21, 2006

If we are talking BIG is NOT best. And SMALL is BEST. I'm all for that but it won't stop the majority wanting to shop in supermarkets, go on the www and holiday on the continents.SUCKERS!
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Message 6 - posted by johnharrison, Oct 24, 2006

Here in Lancashire they are doing a trial of "intermittent custody", basically people who have jobs are sentenced to either weekends in prison or in one case four days a week in custody.

As I said its a trial, but IMHO the judiciary are very reluctant to use it. At one point the unit had only two inmates and they have the space for forty five!

And as for "local prisons", these are a great idea. Preston prison is classified aa a local prison, they hold inmates from Carlisle and Durham!!
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Message 7 - posted by U4357578, Oct 24, 2006

The term Local means that it takes in those committed by local courts.

They will then be categorised and sent to other prisons.

Intermittent custody is difficult as the staffing is so uneven. Latchmere house has prisoners that keep their jobs and are allowed out daily, returning to prison every night. It's surprisingly successful.
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Message 8 - posted by mike126, Oct 25, 2006

We have a prison in the centre of Bedford and whilst I have no positive feelings about those locked up inside I do sometimes feel for the mothers and children waiting outside.Most of children seem to behave well as they wait to be let in for the visits.

I had a conversation with one lady who had travelled from Kent with her baby to visit her husband and it had taken her 4 hours to get to Bedford because of delays with her trains.
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Message 9 - posted by U4357578, Oct 25, 2006

It's unfortunate but needs must. When there is no 'bed at the inn' the prison service have to send people to where there are beds.

The other side of the coin may be that the prisoner may have committed his crime (in this case) in Bedford whilst living in Kent. It's about not being recognised. Slippery some of these people.
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Message 10 - posted by U6196471 - alt id 5, Oct 25, 2006

We don't have a prison in Plymouth and badly need two,one for each sex.We didn't coax John Lewis into our new second division shopping mall so there's little prospect of HMP.
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Message 11 - posted by U6267783, Oct 25, 2006

I work with Newcastlemassive in the same nick. There is one surefire way to solve the overcrowding problem, and that is to address the number of 'foreign nationals' currently held within our walls. The system wastes so much time on paperwork, that if we spent more time on actually deporting these prisoners, there would be loads of room at our inn.
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Message 12 - posted by U4357578, Oct 25, 2006

Blimey! This place gets more like 'The Bulletin Boards' every day.

Prison officers reunited, anyone?
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Message 13 - posted by U6267783, Oct 25, 2006

Sorry Jonah, just wanted to show that i can have a serious side occasionaly.
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Message 14 - posted by U4357578, Oct 25, 2006

S'ok. Which nick do you work at (you don't have to say). I did 9 years at the Scrubs. Escaped about 6 years ago.
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Message 15 - posted by U6267783, Oct 25, 2006

I'd better not say in case my governors stray upon this site, as they have nothing better to do! But you've only got four to choose from!
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Message 16 - posted by U4357578, Oct 25, 2006

Ahem...
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Message 17 - posted by stevetaal, Oct 25, 2006

Suppose I should drop in and say hello too then!
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Message 18 - posted by U4357578, Oct 25, 2006

I can see a cryptic message getting placed on the message boards on t'intranet so we can ID each other...
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Message 19 - posted by Ramslad, Oct 25, 2006

I did 9 years at the Scrubs. Escaped about 6 years ago.

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Tunnel or over the wall <erm>
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Message 20 - posted by johnharrison, Oct 26, 2006

There are towns and cities that have had prisons but they've been closed. The two that I know of are Carlisle and St Albans.

In north Liverpool they have Altcourse and Walton prisons, and nearby is Ashworth special hospital. Ashworth has a closed wing which is being converted in to a prison with room for 600 inmates, and Altcourse has got planning permission for almost another 200 inmates. And apparently there is planning permission for another prison in the area. Not for nothing are the locals saying that they are the priosn capital of England!!

And according to ceefax(so it must be true!), Nottingham prison is to take a wing out of "mothballs". This wing apparently has space for 250 inmates, so why is it in "mothballs"???
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