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Mill Bay to be a vibrant waterfront community?

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Message 1 - posted by U5980963, Oct 16, 2006

Speculative housing and hundreds of prostitutes? Cheap at 300M. Another illconceived belated illdesigned lost opportunity?
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Message 2 - posted by mjinmutley, Oct 17, 2006

Zzzzzzzz, you seem to have a negative comment for everything JannerShopper5!
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Message 3 - posted by jimbogreen, Oct 17, 2006

A 300 million prostitute? That would have to be one hell of a night...
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Message 4 - posted by mjinmutley, Oct 17, 2006

is it Heather Mills?
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Message 5 - posted by jimbogreen, Oct 17, 2006

300 million? That'll cost an arm and a leg...

well...
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Message 6 - posted by U5980963, Oct 17, 2006

Talk it up then Mutley.
Zzzzzzzz, you seem to have a negative comment for everything JannerShopper5!

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Why do you suppose the Mill Bay project has any better prospects than the ChavPalace at DrakeCircus?
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Message 7 - posted by U5980963, Oct 17, 2006

I and many others have said for a long time that Drake Circus was doomed because of its outdated design and lack of good shops, most notably John Lewis.Are you suggesting that Plymouth filk shouldn't expect and demand better? The bid problem with Plymouth is the city planners and uninspiring local businesses not the ambitions of Janners who have long sought to pull their city out of oversold mediocrity.If you have better ideas or can answer the criticism spell it out now.
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Message 8 - posted by royaloutraged, Oct 17, 2006

I'm just too offended by the Heather Mills jibes to join in what should be a serious debate!
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Message 9 - posted by mjinmutley, Oct 17, 2006

firstly, why on earth do you refer to it as a 'ChavPalace'? I've been in there a number of times and have been able to count the number of chavs I've seen in there on the fingers of one hand. Put it simply, they don't like it. Admittedly, Plymouth city centre as a whole does have a large number of 'chavs', but generally speaking they don't seem to enter the shopping centre.

Plymouth folk are fed-up with being looked over while the rest of the country gets the best choice of everything, but, finally things are starting to happen here. Drakes Circus is the first step, and come on, do you really not think it has some decent stores? The redevelopment of Millbay is a major step forward, we have the potential to be the best coastal city in the UK, Plymouth sound is in the world's top 10 natural harbours for beauty for goodness sake! Would you rather leave it as the sad, poor, underdeveloped, prostitute ridden area it is? The east end and west end of the city are being redeveloped, everywhere you look they're are cranes and workmen making changes to the city we proudly call home.

These things take time, and once stores like John Lewis, Gap, Brooks Brothers and Esprit see the success of the new mall and realise that people here have the money to spend, they'll come in. Why should John Lewis come into Plymouth when their market research suggested it wasn't worth it? It's up to people like us JannerShopper to spend the money in this city and encourage them to come here.
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Message 10 - posted by U5980963, Oct 17, 2006

John Lewis won't come to Plymouth because they are coming to Exeter.

Where are the good shops in the ChavPalace? Do you think that Zara will last past February.

Is or is not Primark the anchor store?
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Message 11 - posted by mjinmutley, Oct 17, 2006

err, actually John Lewis are looking for a store in the Westcountry, but have confirmed that they won't be opening in the region until 2013, and that could be in Exeter, Plymouth, Torquay or Truro. Most likely to be further west than Exeter, as there's already a store in Bristol!

Also, unlike you, I do tend to try and answer questions which are politely raised by another poster. Firstly, yes, judging by the people spending money in Zara (which is way ahead of target) it will indeed last past February. Anyway, why is Zara such a barometer for a cool shop? Yes, it's a great store and something positive for Plymouth, but you seem to be acting like it's a boutique store from Kensington! "Ooo, fancy London".

Where are the good shops?! Have you been in the shopping centre? Did you notice the retailers in there? Also, have you seen Karen Millen and Hobbs in House of Fraser?

And yes, Primark is one of the three anchor stores, along with Next and M&S, but surely a decent, good value store is something which would appeal with you? Or would you prefer it if Forbouys, Purple Haze and Barbican Discounts were still the main anchor stores of Drakes Circus?
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Message 12 - posted by U5980963, Oct 17, 2006

Horses for courses, those discount stores are what poor Plymouth people need. John Lewis is essential to not only a tolerable level of Middle Class life but essential to improve the quality and value offered by rip off joins like Dingles and Debenhams who treat Plymouth very badly because there is no competition this side of Cribbs.
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Message 13 - posted by mjinmutley, Oct 17, 2006

but we know that if John Lewis did indeed open here, people like you would question it and say things like "do you think John Lewis will still be open past February?"

Unfortunately it would seem that whatever happens, whoever came into Plymouth, there will still be people to complain and moan. I don't understand you, you complain about the quality of stores, Primark etc, but then wish for more discount stores. Would you have preferred it if Bwise was an anchor?
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Message 14 - posted by U5980963, Oct 17, 2006

You're not trying are you? You've taken a stance and are now stamping your foot.

Plymouth needed a better selection of shops that filled gaps and provided what was missing and some new stuff that matched the demography. We've got neither.We do not have a high quality well bought competative department store. We have no good food shops in an area that abounds with natural resources. Have you been to the dingy grubby tacky hulk that is the pannier market. Who wanted a bigger M&S? Or a bigger Boots or River Island or another Waterstones?

Please tell me that if you had planned the ChavsPalace you would have done it differently and that you would support the creation of a startling glass fish meat veg flower and cheese market in the desolate copse that is the northern end of Armada Way.
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Message 15 - posted by U6196471 - alt id 5, Oct 18, 2006

Millbay is an unusual place to put up fancy buildings and swanky homes because it has for a very long time been Plymouth's busiest red light district and know for where servicemen and others young and old have gone to find ladies of the night. I can't see extra patrols and cctv every few yards making any difference and if a few of the heroin raddled girls are driven out they will only bring down some other inner city area. What have the council and police decided to do? No city in the world has erradicated the business.
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Message 16 - posted by mjinmutley, Oct 19, 2006

I think the stamping boot may be on the other foot judging by some of your comments.

As I've pointed out, other shops will be coming in, but are waiting to see how the shopping centre does. Other stores in the city centre such as Dingles have had to up their game to compete, do you honestly believe they would have added the extra concessions if the shopping centre didn't open?

By the way, I would love to see the creation of a startling glass fish meat veg flower and cheese market in the desolate copse that is the northern end of Armada way. Or in the Pannier Market. You seem to have confused me with someone who doesn't want positive change in the city.
You're not trying are you? You've taken a stance and are now stamping your foot.

Plymouth needed a better selection of shops that filled gaps and provided what was missing and some new stuff that matched the demography. We've got neither.We do not have a high quality well bought competative department store. We have no good food shops in an area that abounds with natural resources. Have you been to the dingy grubby tacky hulk that is the pannier market. Who wanted a bigger M&S? Or a bigger Boots or River Island or another Waterstones?

Please tell me that if you had planned the ChavsPalace you would have done it differently and that you would support the creation of a startling glass fish meat veg flower and cheese market in the desolate copse that is the northern end of Armada Way.

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Message 17 - posted by MilbridgeMan, Nov 30, 2006

Why are some people always so negative? Can't people see what is happening in the future to this city? If we want to get on and get rid of the chav's, people have to be positive about the new shops and changes that will be happening to the city. The people are negative then what hope have we of attracting more investment for change?
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