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Message 1 - posted by U5980963, Oct 5, 2006

Best reason yet for shopping elsewhere.Although the outside is weird the inside is clean and tidy and attractive in a 80s mall kind of way.but what does it add to the city and why shoulod anyone who has not shopped here for years change their mind now?

What have we got now that we didn't have before? Zara? A London shop with quite good clothes at prices Plymouth folk can't afford. They will probably be gone in a couple of years.There are no other shops that you can't find in most medium sized cities.

This does not make Plymouth a regional shopping centre.Today's news that John Lewis are likely to move to Exeter means that the 35 minute drive up the ExpressWay will be even more worth it.

The rest of the city centre in Plymouth is full of empty premises dark and dingy like so many missing teeth in an illkept mouth.

Why hasn't plymouth cottoned on to the need for a vibrant centre with good shops good food and a sense of style and verve.Drake circus has nothing but an air of modernity poured straight out of the very dated 1980's passion for malls.Plymouth thinks it's state of the art because is so isolated and out of touch.

What a let down.The bussle and excitement today will barely last the month and despite a partial revival at christmas will be looking pretty sad by February.We badly deserved better. the council and planners wouldn't listen and told us to wait and see. Well now we have and what a let down. However I did buy a £4 wear once and throw away party top from that world leader in discount clothing Primark. cheaper than laundering and not so smart that anyone would want to wear it twice.

have we really waited all this time for bigger Burger King Boots Waterstones RiverIsland marks and Spencer Next etc. What an opportunity lost to reinvigorate the city and draw the punters in. Lots will come to look just the once and what then.Trains and boats and planes to Cribbs Causeway and family cars to Clifton Exeter Truro Tavistock Taunton and Barnstaple.

If the surfeit of security men keep out the hoodies and the chav kids just hanging out the already dated and out of phase space will soon look pretty forlorn.

meanwhile the potential but unappeased shoppers from Devon and Cornwall will still avoid this retail desert. Where is Gap,John Lewis,Russell and Bromley,French Connection,Blackwells,Waitrose,Ikea etc? At least the millstone of Allders fell by the wayside before it was too late.Where in Plymouth is a decent grocers, fishmongers, butchers cheesemongers,winemerchants,furnishers etc? despite the wealth of local sources.

I have lived here for half a century,my family for two hundred years. We are promised the earth but get thrown bland scraps, even in this case at £200 million a throw! money is being spent but to what effect?

I listened to radio devon today.Some people were overwhelmed with excitement. It was evidently a big day for the city centre.But several people expressed my concerns and more about whether this is the wrong development and much too late. At least it wasn't public money. What an opportunity lost. After this fiasco who will want to bring better stores to other parts of the centre? Who will want to fill the empty slots or continue to trade in the depressed areas near them?

We deserve so much better.
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Message 2 - posted by U5980963, Oct 6, 2006

Have to confess it's seductive. Wandered in again today. Nothing new though. Sad me.
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Message 3 - posted by U3312314, Oct 6, 2006

Iíve read JannerShopper5ís post with interest and she makes many valid points but misses a rather important one. The concept of shopping malls came from, I believe, the USA. The American malls were copied into the UK to places like Cribbs Causeway, Bluewater, Meadowhall etc. Like their American forebears they are Ďout of towní facilities with easy highway access and extensive free parking plus bus services to the nearby towns.

Customers enjoy being able to drive from their homes directly to the mall. They are able to load their shopping into their cars before going back to other shops in the mall. When the shopping is done they can drive home using motorways and fast main roads.

Plymouth however had other ideas and built its mall in the middle of the town! As a result they will not be able to provide easy vehicular access to customers from other towns. I donít know what the parking charges will be but Iím sure they wonít be free.

So Plymouth I hope you enjoy your new shopping mall but donít be too upset if the rest of Devon goes elsewhere, as they surely will.
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Message 4 - posted by U5980963, Oct 6, 2006

Why presume I'm a lady?
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Message 5 - posted by U3312314, Oct 7, 2006

Why not?
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Message 6 - posted by U5980963, Oct 7, 2006

Because these days some men also go shopping.
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Message 7 - posted by U5980963, Oct 8, 2006

And not just at Oddbins.Although there are neither booze nor sport shops in Drake's Service.
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Message 8 - posted by U3312314, Oct 9, 2006

You are probably a man or a woman but you give no clue as to which. Why, therefore, should I assume you are a man?
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Message 9 - posted by U5980963, Oct 9, 2006

Dumpling as a word suggests a feminine side.
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Message 10 - posted by skipster2k2, Oct 11, 2006

Are you not Jannermaid? You sound like her!
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Message 11 - posted by Enoch_P (3), Oct 11, 2006

No man would use the term dumpling.

Its like when certain girls say they are bubbly.
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Message 12 - posted by U4409815, Oct 11, 2006

The reason why the towns and cities or Cornwall and devon are dumps is that the population that live in Devon and Cornwall are poor, badly educated or elderly blow-ins with 1950s expectations and ideas. Therefore there is no demand from the locals for more sophisticated shops and services and teh elderly blow-ins are happy with the sophistication of M&S.

Basically, unless we get some big modern service indutries front office type jobs, there won't be the money or taste in the SW for this level of shopping. There are some boutiques around, but these are more focussed on the early rich middle aged blow-in market, spot the BMW or Merc in Redruth or Salash
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Message 13 - posted by U5980963, Oct 11, 2006

Has anyone been in and had a life changing experience? If they were able to get past the bouncers.
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Message 14 - posted by U5980963, Oct 13, 2006

Still no unihibited enthusiasts? Come on, tell us whether Plymouth/Janneropolis has become the regional retail hub!
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Message 15 - posted by U6196471 - alt id 5, Oct 18, 2006

I didn't like it much. It's new but not a real mall which should have really big stores and have free parking out on the outskirts.I think it has made the rest of Plymouth centre look half empty and added nothing in the process.I give it a cautious thumbs down.
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Message 16 - posted by mjinmutley, Oct 19, 2006

don't you think a mall on the outskirts of town really would make the city centre look half empty? Is it worth it for the sake of free parking?

It's due to this that government planning policy in this country is that malls aren't allowed to be built on the outskirts of cities as they really are the dearth of city centres. It's very, very hard to get planning permission for this and it's unlikely that another Cribbs will be built near a big city for while. Don't forget, Bristol city centre really suffered for upto 4 years after Cribbs was built and lessons have been learnt from this.

I didn't like it much. It's new but not a real mall which should have really big stores and have free parking out on the outskirts.I think it has made the rest of Plymouth centre look half empty and added nothing in the process.I give it a cautious thumbs down.

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Message 17 - posted by U6196471 - alt id 5, Oct 19, 2006

Park St has completely recovered and the centre and broadmead is bubbling encouraging under scaffolding.But Bristolians and we their country cousins have the benefit of IKEA at Fishponds and the Partnership at Cribbs. Plymouth has a flash harry hanger but nothing to draw.
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Message 18 - posted by mjinmutley, Oct 19, 2006

Park St has completely recovered and the centre and broadmead is bubbling encouraging under scaffolding.But Bristolians and we their country cousins have the benefit of IKEA at Fishponds and the Partnership at Cribbs.

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Maybe so, but that still doesn't alter the fact that an out of town mall in Plymouth wouldn't have even been given planning permission, so there's not really any point talking about how good/bad it could have been.
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Message 19 - posted by U6196471 - alt id 5, Oct 19, 2006

What about the quarry sites off Billacombe and Haye Roads?
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Message 20 - posted by mjinmutley, Oct 19, 2006

it would still take people out of the city centre, which is exactly what we don't want. If it was going to be something like an Ikea then it would be different as it's more homewares etc, but even they've changed tack and have started going into city centres like in Coventry. They've decided to go higher and slimer rather than low and wide, making their footprint much smaller. Plus, I'm pretty sure PP has been given for houses on the quarry sites.
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