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Education. Education Education. Has it really failed?

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Message 41 - posted by Lizziedripping, Dec 9, 2006

I've been thinking.<erm> Education for me has been interacting with a wide variety of world people. It started by getting to know the people in my small circle and then cascaded. I know that language and wealth status was inclined to get in the way but thankfully I didn't have the added hindrance during my formative years - Govt restrictive policy!Yuk to "Women only" "Children's room" "Men only" and the worst "Parents choose your school for your children" Let's get back to just the poor little rich kids having that priveledge! I, of working class parents, used to feel sorry for those private school children(talk about pressure).Failing my 11 + was probably the hinch pin of my broard education.
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Message 42 - posted by Lizziedripping, Dec 29, 2006

I've been thinking again! Do we really need to learn to subjugate the adverbs? My 11 year old nephew has happily passed to go to one of the few grammer schools left in the country and, while I was trying to teach him to knit the other day he recipricated with all he has learned about English and other language expertise. I remember feeling sad when I went to the secondary Modern school back 1961 because my best frind had passed to go to the Grammer but I soon felt happier when I saw what homework she had to do. I would never have coped. I always thought that Comprhensive education was a bad move but this latest one about funding exceptional intellegence I fear may go very wrong. Are we going to have a rush on youngsters being able to expletiate the definative and not able to boil an egg?!
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Message 43 - posted by John of Paddington, Dec 29, 2006

Education, Education, Education, big brother Blairs mantra, and it has failed, utterly. Blair went to a Primary school during his tour, got there in time for the English lesson. He was asked by the head if he wished to take the lesson and, thinking he must be brighter than these childrenm agreed. The lesson was on vocabulary and he asked a small girl what she thought a Tragedy was. Please sir she sai, if my brother got run over by a tractor, that would be a tragedy. Blair thought and said No, that would be an accident. He aske a second child how replied that if the class was in the school bus and it went off the road and they were all killed, that would be a tragedy. Blair thought a bit longer and said No, that would be a great loss. He looked at the class, and asked if there was anyone who could say what a tragedy was. A scruffy little kid at the back of the class put his hand up. Yes said Blair, with a beaming grin, tell us what you think would be a tragedy. Well say the kid, if you and Mrs Blair were up in a plane and it was shot down by friendly fire, that must be a tragedy. Blair thought and turned to the child and said, I think you are right, how did you work it out. The scruffy kid fidgetted a bit then said, well it would not be a great loss and it's possible the friendly fire was no accident.
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Message 44 - posted by U6532874, Dec 29, 2006

Subjugating adverbs? That can't be right.Give us one or two examples.If you don't understand the rules of grammar yourself then avoid blathering about them.
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Message 45 - posted by Lizziedripping, Dec 29, 2006

Good Evening Will. You are not telling me that expleting the definative has any sense surely? I'd best keep blathering. I have since caught the lectures on channel five. Of course all this knowledge is important. David Beckham will never score goals if he doesn't understand the mathematics. Mind you I know a lot of people who sing beautifully without being able to read a note of music!
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Message 46 - posted by U6849290, Dec 29, 2006

education is extemely important in our lives
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Message 47 - posted by Lizziedripping, Jan 21, 2007

A lady on Andrew Marr's programme this morning reviewing the Newspapers. Sorry didn't catch her name (I'm ill educated). Suggested that Jade Goody is as she is as a result of poor education from the state system. Are there no bigots amoung privateley educated people? Or is it a case of "not nearly so many".
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Message 48 - posted by lysis, Jan 22, 2007

A lady on Andrew Marr's programme this morning reviewing the Newspapers. Sorry didn't catch her name (I'm ill educated). Suggested that Jade Goody is as she is as a result of poor education from the state system. Are there no bigots amoung privateley educated people? Or is it a case of "not nearly so many".

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Beg to differ, Pom. Jane Moore (I think) was the journo and didn't suggest that Ms Goody's supposed bigotry was caused by the education system. She said that the appaling ignorance of Goody and her two sneering, giggling little sycophants did not reflect well on the UK education system. I think she mean't the whole system, not just the public bit of it. I know Public (ie Private) School Boys who come out of 13 years of cloistered education not only ignorant of lives lived in foreign climes but also of the lives lived in this country by Ms Goody and her nasty little friends.
On the bigotry front, you are quite right. Sir Oswald Moseley Bart. British Proto-Fascist did not go to your local secondry mod. And I believe that if Ms Goody was as racist as the Press would have us think, she would have used much more overtly racist phrases during the outburst when she was clearly completely out of control. Like many not very bright people (well, all of us actually) when confronted with something she didn't understand she became frightened and acted with open hostility. Her two craven little chums slunk in behind her and joined in (a sight familiar in any school playground anywhere in the world) and the wholly nasty spectacle of bullying was played out in front of an audience of about 17 (which was what the viewing figures of BB had sunk to before this highly convenient outrage intervened).

It was ugly and we would all do well to remember it the next time we are tempted to slag off somebody behind their backs, or even to their faces when we fancy our chances of humiliating them.
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Message 49 - posted by Lizziedripping, Jan 22, 2007

Lysis. I'm keen to to follow on but I don't think I have the word power. I think you are right anyway.
Pompom head in dictionary and encyclopaedia!
Think I may just start using that c word? Would describe a lot of people I come accross!
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Message 50 - posted by pompomwhiting, Oct 19, 2007

I'll be back.
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Message 51 - posted by lysis, Oct 19, 2007

Is this Pom Schwarzennegger on-line?
Hasta La Vista baby.
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Message 52 - posted by pompomwhiting, Oct 19, 2007

I had the horrible feeling that my thought was lost in the depths of my untidy brain drawer. But here it is. Really more to do with Play but I'm told that this activity is a big part of the process of education. So there we are playing at mothers and fathers, cowboys and indians, Beckham and Bruce Forsythe for instance. Do we appreciate the reality? I believe that my education covered this. Then we come to witnessing youngsters being dropped off at the swimming pool for a training session. Out comes the sports equipment - usually designer. Then the, pretending to be, athlete casually swims one length and reaches for the isotonic drink. Someone tell me that these youngsters know the reality?

Pom now wondering if this should have been left at the bottom of the drawer?
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Message 53 - posted by pompomwhiting, Oct 26, 2007

Daniel Kawcznski M.P. for Shrewsbury doesn't think that Telford and Wrekin should have more Government money for education?

Cheek. Telford wants a posh school like Shrewsbury.

Pom doesn't believe that Thomas Telford School is posh enough.
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Message 54 - posted by lysis, Oct 27, 2007



Pom doesn't believe that Thomas Telford School is posh enough.

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What about The Blessed Robert Johnson? Any school named after the King of the Delta Blues has to be severely cool if not out & out posh.

Anyhow you have Wrekin College and The Old Hall in "Telford" which are quite posh (a bit down market if you were at Shrewsbury or Packwood Haugh, but never the less still pretty posh).
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Message 55 - posted by pompomwhiting, Oct 28, 2007

Hi Lysis. How could I forget those Wellington education institutions of excellence?

Pom is probably falling foul of the 'Wellington is not part of Telford' indoctrination that is banded about.

Before you mention Newport's Grammar/High schools, there's another area that resents being part of Shropshire, let alone Telford.
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Message 56 - posted by pompomwhiting, Oct 28, 2007

Who came up with the idea of comprehensive education for our children? I presume it wasn't a Secondary Modern educated M.P.

Pom thoroughly approves of co education. Presumably introduced by a female M.P.
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Message 57 - posted by lysis, Oct 28, 2007

Who came up with the idea of comprehensive education for our children? I presume it wasn't a Secondary Modern educated M.P.

Pom thoroughly approves of co education. Presumably introduced by a female M.P.

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Don't know who thought of it, but it was first introduced by privately educated Shirl (Bad Hair Day) Williams and later forced upon an unwilling populace in huge numbers by Grammar School educated Margaret Thatcher who had 10 clear years to remedy the error and did nothing.

Somerville College oxford - both of them. Lot to answer for.

Didn't need comprehensive education. Grammar Schools were wonderful places to get rid of nerdy swot smartarses. They just needed to make Secondary Mods better.

But heaven forbid that a politician should do anything to make things better - they always go for the major structural change so that they are safely out office when is proves to be a complete dud.
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Message 58 - posted by pompomwhiting, Oct 29, 2007

I’ve heard it all now. A single Mum with 3 children (one with learning difficulties), who has managed to do 2 degrees while nurturing her children and works part time, is looking for the government to provide ‘child care’ for her secondary school aged children so that she can go to work full time! Wake up government. Mum’s who have‘chosen’ to start a family need support but that is going too far.

Pom has just quizzed Mr Pom. “when I got back to work (that was my interpretation) in 1984, were you wanting me to get back to a career?” Whoops his silence makes me think he did! I should never have had my fourth. But to be fair to the old man he didn’t want any!
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Message 59 - posted by pompomwhiting, Nov 6, 2007

If our needing to be educated don't make it by the age of 16 years of age, how is 2 more years going to help?

Pom says let's have a referendum. Education hasn't done her any good! Once a 11+ failure, all a 11+ failure.

Right. Let's hear what the Queen has to say.
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