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Should Jamie Oliver Shut Up?

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Message 161 - posted by BabyFaceFinlayson, Feb 20, 2007

Don't think there is a problem highlighting bad food in schools and securing funding for a change.

If you think that the schools pay an enormous amout of money to the likes of Sodexho to provide food it should be decent food. We are the sick men of Europe and I'm glad Jamie Oliver brought it up.

As for his latest series i think it is a very worthy idea and I wish him all the success with it. All the BBC seems to want to spend my BBC tax on is Ice Dancing competitions for D listers.

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Message 162 - posted by Sam the Man, Feb 20, 2007

Its not the only thing the kids
'brought up'
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Message 163 - posted by FatPeace - A Promise to Heather, Feb 20, 2007

I've visited this thread a number of times since it was started and so far have not seen a convincing argument from those who think that Jamie Oliver should shut up.

It may well be that you find him irritating, but how can he be wrong for suggesting that kids eat healthy food?

Surely that is something we should all be doing, at least he is using his celebrity to a good cause.

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There's nothing wrong with 'suggesting' that kids eat healthy food. No-one would have an issue if that's all that were happening.

But he's not. He's branding parents 'disgusting' and 'morally reprehensible' for not ensuring their kids eat a low-fat, low-carb, low-salt diet straight out of the pages of a women's glossy.

He's indirectly contributing to a society where body fascism is acceptable and the food police are only there 'for our own good'

He's argued in favour of social services removing fat kids from their 'degenerate' parents; destroying and disrupting perfectly happy families, sentencing youngsters to all the well-documented failures of local authority care, because they don't fit an arbitary socially-approved weight limit.

(See links: & )

He's helping perpetuate a culture of guilt about food and dietary restriction taken to a ludicrous extreme. When primary-school children are being hauled out of the dinner hall as an example for the 'crime' of having a bag of crisps in their lunchbox, and 7 year-olds are being forced to write and perform poems about why it's good to be thin, something is terrifyingly wrong with our school system.

(Links - and )

Over-zealous teachers and heads are even extending this Government's obsession with tracking, spying and monitoring into the dinner hall. A school in Wakefield has introduced fingerprint scanners to monitor kids' lunchtime 'choices' (not that they have any left) and if too many 'unhealthy' foods trip the system the child can be disciplined or a letter sent home. No doubt before long this technology will be cross-referenced against medical records or supermarket logs of how many 'red' foods the family purchased, to be collated on a central datebase and flag up those in line for denial of NHS treatment or that aforementioned knock on the door from Social Services.

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Of course as I've said before, all this strikes me as an attempt to create a new moral panic, to scapegoat and focus attention on a particular group of people, and best of all it can now be couched in the rhetoric of 'promoting healthy eating' and 'it's for your own good'. Is a massive rise in eating disorders amongst teenagers good? Is the sort of body image dysfunction and obsession with being 'perfect' reported in the national media this morning something to be proud of?

As NASUWT leader Chris Clarke pointed out, the pressure from the media on kids to be thin and the constant preoccupation with obesity is simplifying the complex issues and not only making those of 'acceptable' size focus on their weight and appearance, but further isolating the already vulnerable larger kids in schools, sometimes with tragic consequences.

( and

It's not even as though the causes, effects and consequences of 'obesity' are universally accepted - there's a lot of counter-arguments about the degree to which average weights have risen and methods of assessing data which are often glossed over - probably because the Government, media and multi-billion pound weight loss industry have a huge amount to gain from pushing the obesity epidemic propaganda into the population at every turn.

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Let's face it, it hasn't done Jamie's career any harm has it?

(And by the way: please at least READ through the links before you flame away).
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Message 164 - posted by BabyFaceFinlayson, Feb 22, 2007

The locking of school gates (if it indeed happens) is not about making kids eat it is about security. Kids are not supposed to be outside school grounds during school time. Parents who send their kids to school want to be assured that their kids are safe when they are "in loco parentis" not wandering around looking for chips.

jamie has done a fine job in highlighting something I was not aware of and I'm glad he brought it up.
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Message 165 - posted by BabyFaceFinlayson, Feb 22, 2007

I read your fist paragraph and neither one of your linked articles (one from theSun anyway) mentione Jamie Oliver at all. What are you trying to do?

In Jamie's School dinners he worked witha family in Durham and when they changed their kids diets their behavious improved within half a day, HALF A DAY.

Are you saying he is wrong? Imagine the change accross the school system if this was in any way replicated?

Parents should feed their kids crap should not be proud that they are providing choice they are killing their kids. Slowly and possibly later in life but they are showing them how to live unhealthily.

Not having time is no excuse either, it is quicker to cook healthy food than it is to microwave frozen meals.
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Message 166 - posted by prettymIuCcIa, Aug 10, 2007

I am a 13 year old girl and I'm really glad Jamie has helped sort out our school's disgusting, fatty meals.

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Message 167 - posted by Sam the Man, Aug 10, 2007

Nice to hear he could personally attend

what did your school cook think of their kitchen being hijacked?
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