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Stairlift plan for Dartmoor tor

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Message 1 - posted by newsinteractive, Jul 3, 2006

Planning permission is being sought for a stairlift on one of Dartmoor's most iconic natural rock formations.
Artist Alex Murdin has applied to Dartmoor National Park Planning authority for permission for the stairlift at Haytor Rocks.

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Message 2 - posted by henrycriss, Jul 3, 2006

I think that access for disabled people to the wonderful sites there are on Dartmoor which are already accessible to all us able-bodied ones would be a vast improvement to the quality of life of those who want it. When one considers the increasing and increasingly ageing population of this part of England, it could only be a popular move for most people. I certainly wouldn't like to keep my mother sitting immobilised in the car park at various places whilst I was off enjoying myself - therefore I probably wouldn't go there in the first place. I would suggest, though, that this accessibility be discreet/unobtrusive, but obvious.

Another point I would like to put forward - can the provision of public toilets be improved/increased, please ??
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Message 3 - posted by AlanOntario, Jul 3, 2006

Stair lifts to the top Hay Tor. Public toilets all over the moor. This has to be "tongue in cheek".
Friends, Dartmoor is one of the last wild and natural places left in the beautiful county of Devon. While I can understand the desire of people with disabilities to be able to experience everything; there are many things that I would like to do but cannot for various reasons. Reaching the top of a tor via a lift is not the same as climbing it and would not give the same sense of achievment.
I believe that in our rush to make everything and everyone the same takes away from the joy of being an individual.
To those who have a problem with leaving their loved one or friend in the car in the parking lot while they go off to enjoy themselves, could I suggest that they re-visit the area to make the climb. Just the joy of traveling along the roads and taking in all the wonderful views would give, I suggest, a lot of joy.
The suggestion of any kind of construction on the moor fills me with apprehention, as I feel that once the developers of any stripe get their diggers up there it will be the end of it as a natural wonder and that would be sad for us and future generations.
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Message 4 - posted by U4427091, Jul 3, 2006

They need a chairlift just for street level it's that full of old un's <laugh> <laugh> <laugh>

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Message 5 - posted by John of Paddington, Jul 3, 2006

Chair lift on Hay Tor, this is an Art Sudent Gag. How are the 'Non abiant' to get to the foot of Hay Tor? I recall a meeting many years ago about disabled access to the Moor, yes certain paths were, or could be made, more wheelchair accessable, the Moor is wild Country and unless one turned it into a flat 'Runway' it would never be wholly accessable to persons with a physical handicap. It would be far better if time and money was spent making our towns more accessable, drop kerbs, smooth wide pavements (without cyclists) and shops that disabled can enter.
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Message 6 - posted by Susie, Jul 3, 2006

Chair lift on Hay Tor, this is an Art Sudent Gag. How are the 'Non abiant' to get to the foot of Hay Tor? I recall a meeting many years ago about disabled access to the Moor, yes certain paths were, or could be made, more wheelchair accessable, the Moor is wild Country and unless one turned it into a flat 'Runway' it would never be wholly accessable to persons with a physical handicap. It would be far better if time and money was spent making our towns more accessable, drop kerbs, smooth wide pavements (without cyclists) and shops that disabled can enter.

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So, we have to make do with running up and down the dropped kerbs in town and marveling at the flat, wide pavements do we.
Strangely enough, I dont want to spend my life doing this, I want to explore the countryside, the moors and other fascinating places. Why should I be deprived of all this because I have difficulty in walking. Life is hard enough mate without being made to sit on the sidelines all the time and being told how grateful we are supposed to be.
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Message 7 - posted by Devon Host Kevin, Jul 4, 2006

B Bolt wrote:

What rubbish to fit a stair lift. Disabled people have to accept they cannot do ALL the things able bodied can. I am visually impaired but don't expect a running commentary of what it is like to climb haytor.
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Message 8 - posted by Devon Host Kevin, Jul 4, 2006

George Whitfield wrote:

We bend over backwards to try and make sure that the mobility challenged have as much access as possible to what physically able people can enjoy. But defacing a great natural feature of Dartmoor to give access to the mobility challenged is unprintably stupid.

It is a publicity stunt that has worked for this singularly talentless "artist" because Spotlight was daft enough to give it airtime.

Wake up and spare us the fantasies of loonies and headline seekers please.

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Message 9 - posted by Devon Host Kevin, Jul 4, 2006

Rosemary Kind wrote:

Why not build a hidden lift inside Haytor, it wouldn't detract from he visual image and the less abled could have access to the top. The staircase is a dreadful idea.
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Message 10 - posted by Devon Host Kevin, Jul 4, 2006

Jason Radmore wrote:

We could build a road straight to the top of the tor, and maybe to all of the tors on Dartmoor along with the stairlift just so people who are maybe a bit unfit could get to the top of all the tors as well. Or maybe we could persuade the Egyptians to build stairlift up the pyramids so that can be accessed! Or perhaps a stairlift in Michaelangelos chapel so the people who cannot see too well can get a bit closer to the painted ceiling. I think we have to all accept that there are things which we cannot do because of our own physical or mental capabilities lets not ruin beautiful places just to make them easier to access.
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Message 11 - posted by John of Paddington, Jul 4, 2006

DH Kevin, This is obiously the 'Silly Season' but disabled access is a serious subject. The Disability Act is now fully active but to look at many shops you would not think so. If you provide a Service, any service, you must be able to give that service to everyone regarless of diability. Go round your local town and see how many shops have steps and no call button, how many have still doors, how many, and this includes Supermarkets, have ailes that are too narrow for a chair or are blocked by displays.
This is a silly gag, but it could be turned into something useful.
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Message 12 - posted by Beautiful_and_useful, Jul 5, 2006

I am amazed that everbody seems to think Haytor is a "wild" place as it is. Its got a major road going past it, has a tourist information centre and toliets, 3 car parks each with their own ice cream vans attached. Every year it's visited by as many people as live in a small English town which accounts for the heavily eroded paths which are so wide they can been seen in satellite pictures of the Rocks. I hardly see how adding a small pipe to the side of the Rock would make any difference. If you really want to keep Haytor "unspoilt" remove the road and other paraphenalia and stop people going there in the first place.
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Message 13 - posted by skipster2k2, Jul 5, 2006

Why dont they employ a couple of guys with rockclimbing rigs to help disbled people ascend the tor if they want to. Would cost less than a stair lift, would keep a fe people in employment and will have minimal impact on the look of the tor. Problem solved. Next.
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Message 14, Jul 5, 2006

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Message 15 - posted by whatasillyidea, Jul 5, 2006

yeah i know just the people! or maybe they could put a helter skelter around the tor and people can get down that way!!
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Message 16 - posted by harveyshideout, Jul 5, 2006

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Message 17 - posted by whatasillyidea, Jul 5, 2006

yeah i know just the guys!
or they could put a helter skelter slide around the rocks to get down that way!
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Message 18 - posted by AiredalePete, Jul 9, 2006

Planning permission is being sought for a stairlift on one of Dartmoor's most iconic natural rock formations.
Artist Alex Murdin has applied to Dartmoor National Park Planning authority for permission for the stairlift at Haytor Rocks.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/...

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

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I am able-bodied and I feel it is important that people with disabilities should have the right to enjoy all of the amenities that are available to me and to everyone else.

If Devon Council grant Planning Permission to this project I feel sure they will do so with the stipulation that the appearance of the stairlift should not in any way detract from the overall beauty of the area. A dark green stairlift, for example, would work just as well as one of any other colour and would blend in far better.

There is just one reservation, though: in the centre of Leeds where I live, there is an outdoor double escalator, installed about thirty years ago, which to my certain knowledge stopped working over twenty-five years ago. Since then it has remained a fenced-off eyesore and a reminder that mechanical things don't generally survive well in the open air.

I would therefore point out that a mechanical stairlift, abandoned after five years with peeling green paint and a chain link fence round it with notice saying, 'Danger - Do not Enter', would neither benefit the disabled, nor add to the natural beauty of the area.



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Message 19 - posted by Beautiful_and_useful, Jul 11, 2006

I've just noticed that Dartmoor National Park have now registered the application for the stairlift and that anyone can write in support online. Just go here
www.dartmoor-npa.gov... and search for application number 0510/06

You're either for it or against it !
Planning permission is being sought for a stairlift on one of Dartmoor's most iconic natural rock formations.
Artist Alex Murdin has applied to Dartmoor National Park Planning authority for permission for the stairlift at Haytor Rocks.


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