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Is there any New Testament authority dissapproving homosexuality?.

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Message 1 - posted by U3508276 - alt id 4, Jul 1, 2006

Jesus never said a word against it.
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Message 2 - posted by U3775715 - alt id 1, Jul 1, 2006

Why not include the OT? All the inconsistent and widely ignored and superceded prohibitions are in there.
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Message 3 - posted by U4623931, Jul 1, 2006

who cares the people that wrote th nt and ot are dead any way
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Message 4 - posted by U3775715 - alt id 1, Jul 1, 2006

I agree it would be good to know if the christians' main man ever raised any objection. I doubt he did. He is also said to have shown overwhelming tolerance sensitivity and understanding.
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Message 5 - posted by U3508276 - alt id 4, Jul 1, 2006

Leviticus!!!!

What's that all about then?
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Message 6 - posted by Sholesa, Jul 1, 2006

If this thread is designed to stir things up, let's take it one step further . . . .
The Good Book is full of contradictions, omissions, dreams, and hyperbole. God gave me a brain to question and discover, and it would desecrate that gift if I failed to do so. It's no secret that the events of the Bible were written well after they took place (often by hundreds of years) and it stands to reason that its reliability has to be questionable at best (after all, today's reporters often can't get the facts straight twenty minutes after an event!
Science has disproved just about everything the Bible states (by way of facts, that is, not, perhaps, the ideals). I do not see the universe in terms of the biblical sense, rather, our "universe" is but a minute organism in an infinite number of universes, in an infinity of space. And that "God" is the physics that rules the nature of all the matter within them.
Contrarily, the Bible was the tool of the elite, to control the masses (fear factor) and, whether you're Christian, Muslim, Sikh, or any other "religion" that remains a constant today. Regardless of ones following, we all share this spaceship we call Planet Earth, no one has come back from beyond to tell us what is there, or whether or not our individual beliefs were right or wrong.
So, I see the "hereafter" and "life everlasting" as figments of the human mind . . . perhaps a safety valve to compensate for what (in human terms, at any rate) is the awesome event of our own demise. And, if I'm wrong, I feel pretty sure that if I use His gift of the ability to reason, as He intended, rather than swallowing everything made up by human brains, verbatim, He'll forgive me . . . Oh, and BTW . . . . if everything in the Bible is supposed to be followed to the letter, whatever happened to "Give up all that thou hast, and follow me"? I don't see too many in this modern, materialistic, world doing much to participate in that concept . . . . . Particularly the rich, powerful, and famous . . . . . .
And, lastly, I find it amusing that, if 'the hereafter' is as great as it's cracked up to be, why do those who believe in it so ardently, drag their heels in getting there?
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Message 8 - posted by jaqueline, Jul 1, 2006

Sholesa - I too believe that we have been given reason and we are meant to use it. Sadly few do and I am not just talking about Christians here.

As for following the Bible to the letter I always ask this.....

The Law states that you were to go outside the walls with a little spade, dig a hole. Use it as a loo,then cover it.

If we have to obey the Bible to the letter, do you do that instead of using our excellent sanitary plumbing these days?
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Message 9 - posted by PlainAshington, Jul 1, 2006

As Sexual Pervertion was, and still is, an abomination to the Jews they would get rid of it when ever it appeared. In Roman society it was different, but Jesus was a Jew, something many seem to forget, so there was no problem and he never needed to mention it.

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Hand on here! If Jesus was a Jew and followed the Jewish religious code, then Christianity doesn't exist, because in your words Jesus was a Jew? Surely even the dimsest plonker in the World has to come to terms with the fact; "You start a religion, you make the rules!"
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Message 10 - posted by jaqueline, Jul 1, 2006

Jesus didn't start Christianity, nor did He start a new religion.
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Message 11 - posted by PlainAshington, Jul 1, 2006

Jesus didn't start Christianity, nor did He start a new religion.

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Jesus teachings is Christianity, those that chose/choose to follow are Christians. He didn't start it, he was dead! Point is, he was not following the Jewish Orthadox Code; ergo nothing he said or is credited as having said has anything what-so-ever to do with the Jewish religion and homophobia. Jesus was born Jewish, his personal opinions do not have anything to do with that.

And John has still to explain what God was thinking about with Sir David's gay penguins <erm>
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Message 12 - posted by U2487692, Jul 2, 2006

So we are agreed then Jesus never said anything against homosexuality? And we cannot assume that he would have done had a reporter addressed it.
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Message 13 - posted by pfishwick, Jul 2, 2006

St Paul's letter to the Romans though is pretty explicit, Chapter 1 v. 25, 26:

"...God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly..."

No doubt about Paul's intolerance then. I completely disagree with him, and consider his views irrelevant nearly 2000 years after they were expressed.

Patrick
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Message 14 - posted by U2487692, Jul 2, 2006

Nothing daft from Jesus though. The Pauline strictures are notorious even with most fundamentalists.
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Message 15 - posted by grum_back_seat_driver, Jul 2, 2006

Who cares what the bible says?

Surely if homosexuals were frowned upon by God they would burst into flames upon stepping into consecrated ground?
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Message 16 - posted by U3775715 - alt id 1, Jul 2, 2006

I'd go to a gay club just to watch that kind of theatre - as long as no one got hurt.
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Message 18 - posted by U3775715 - alt id 1, Jul 2, 2006

So, to join in the chant........Jesus never had or said anything against gays.
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Message 19 - posted by jaqueline, Jul 2, 2006

John - the Law was given to turn a bunch of slaves into a nation. Most of the Law is common-sense eg pork will not keep, it goes off very quickly, remember they didn't have fridges in those days.

Clean/washing hands again that is common-sense as our hospitals have come to realise.

Separation eg quarantine of ill people for the saftey of others.

As for Paul, what he is really writing about is not so much homosexuality but about women taking over the role of men and men abdictating from their role as men.
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Message 20 - posted by youngcornwall, Jul 2, 2006

So, to join in the chant........Jesus never had or said anything against gays.

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Jesus did not isolate any individuals He spoke mainly in parables,
Interpret them how you wish,
The parable of the sower Luke 8: 5--15
The Parable of the fig tree Luke 13: 69
Both parables Jesus show the value of bearing fruits.
Matthew 7: 15-27 Jesus said you will know them by their fruits.

Lust is as old as the hills, it will be still here we are dead and gone.
Unless Jesus comes before that is.


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