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Should Junk Food Be Banned?

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Message 1 - posted by Jonathan Vernon-Smith, Feb 28, 2006

The bid to halt rising child obesity by 2010 will fail unless the government shows more leadership, a study says.
Public sector watchdogs the National Audit Office, Healthcare Commission and Audit Commission said there was good work going on at a local level.
But it said government departments needed to offer more guidance as there was confusion about the push.
Public Health Minister Caroline Flint said "huge steps" had been made, but added more had still to be done.
The number of obese children has increased from 9.6% in 1995 to 13.7% in 2003.

So, what’s the best way of reducing obesity across the board?
Should junk food be banned?
Let’s face it, if junk food wasn’t available, we’d all be much healthier wouldn’t we?
It’s so much easier when you’re starving hungry to pop out and get a burger than to go to the shops and buy healthy ingredients for make a nice healthy meal?
Do you eat junk food? Why?
Would you be upset if you couldn’t eat it any more?
Do you think that to ban junk food would be going too far? Is it another example of this country becoming a ‘Nanny State’?
Or do you think the government has a responsibility to try and protect the British citizens from the terrible disease ‘Obesity’?
Do you get frustrated as a tax payer when you see big fat people draining the NHS resources all because they couldn’t control their diet properly?
Do you think that fat people are unable to control their desire for fatty foods, and therefore society should make the choice for them?
Or do you think that the important thing is ‘CHOICE’? Everyone should have the right to eat junk food if they wish to in the same way that they should have the right to eat healthy food as well?

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This is the subject of today's phone in between 1pm and 2pm on BBC Radio Northampton. Tune in on 104.2 or 103.6FM and have your say!
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Message 2 - posted by grum_back_seat_driver, Feb 28, 2006

Let 'em eat whatever they want, natural selection I say.

NHS could refuse free treatment to those over a specific BMI unless there is a medical reason for their size.
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Message 3 - posted by Yodell, Feb 28, 2006

Ingredients should be made easier to understand on the packet for those that bother to read them, for some you'd need a science degree.

However, it's the general lack of exercise that a lot of these kids forego whilst sitting at their pc's, xboxes and ps2's instead that's the problem.
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Message 4 - posted by U2836684, Feb 28, 2006

a large percentage of what is made these days contain junk,obviously its not all down to burgers and kfc,go into any supermarket and there is aisle upon aisle of junk food avaliable.
sure you could blame parents about there childs weight?a lot of parents lead very hectic lifestyles and the only thing they resort to when they get in is ready meals.

where does the balance come in,if supermarkets just sold healthy foods then they would be practilly empty of stock,and customers no doubt.

as yodell said you would need a degree to decipher all the e numbers on packets the days,just where does the balance get struck?
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Message 5 - posted by moll99y, Feb 28, 2006

junk food should be clearly marked and put in special places in shops so as you do not have to get out your dictionary and binoculars to read it, people these days have not got the time to read every lable on every packet they buy. SO LETS HAVE THE HEALTHY SHELVES AND THE UNHEALTHY SHELVES.

There should be stricter laws for manufactures as to what they put in the food, you can still make quick and easy food and make it healthy. This should be taught at school bring back DOMESTIC SCIENCE.

There should be more sport and physical training at school and more place for children and young adults to excercise in a safe way, parks that our patrolled by wardens etc., this should be free. Children will eat anything as long as it tastes good and looks good, they should not have to worry if it is doing good.

Yes Manufactures should be fined for putting cheap and nasty food on the shelves, they can afford to do better for us, there is a huge mark up on food, they make plenty of money.

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Message 6 - posted by grum_back_seat_driver, Feb 28, 2006

Thats all well and good but you have to meet them halfway - why is it everyone elses fault all of a sudden that you choose to fill your body with crap?

Labels could be clearer, although we have some of the best (and strictest) in the world here in the uk.

Healthy aisles and unhealthy aisles? What if there was a mix-up and you ate rubbish because it was on the wrong shelf?
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Message 7 - posted by philiom, Feb 28, 2006

Obesity amongst children is the total responsibility of the parents...not the food industry. As mentioned in an earlier comment the Uk food industry has some of the best and clearest labelling systems anywhere.

It's sheer convenience and lack of application of parents that enables many children unrestricted access to unhealthy food products.

We've all seen it in action. First thing on returning home from school is the packet of crisps and the biscuit packet followed by the sugary drink, all enjoyed whilst parking their little backsides on the floor or sofa to then consume a couple of hours of thought-provoking cartoons. A short break is then taken whilst they are provided with a plateful of carbohydrates (chips) usually lined up with a burger or similar. All followed by something sticky and sweet to round it off with an drink of sugary orange flavoured liquid to wash it down.

After all, parents have a busy life-style and if their little angels are looking a little on the porky side then not to worry....they'll slim down as they grow up. But not to worry if they don't. Mum can always take them to the doctors who will hopefully prescribe something to deal with their over-active glands. Like hell he will....he'll probably say something they don't want to hear and so let's not worry about it. After all, fat kids are as normal as any other children and at the end of the day they're happy!

Ban junk food? Educate the apathy out of parents is more the answer!!!!!!
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Message 8 - posted by Dwaine Benzie, Feb 28, 2006

I find it ridiculous that people cannot control themselves when it comes to junk food. You'll see a 2.4 obese family strolling round the supermarket with a trolley full of frozen pizzas, oven chips, crisp, chocolate etc. If they don't mind getting fat, leave them to it. But they shouldn't go complaining to anyone else when their heart starts to pack in...
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Message 9 - posted by MJB, Feb 28, 2006

**** NANNY STATE, NANNY STATE, NANNY STATE *****

Yawn... same old, same old..... <steam>
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Message 10 - posted by Yodell, Feb 28, 2006

Well I suppose if those self same parents ignore - Smoking Kills - labelling on ciggy packets, what chance is there they'll read the food ones anyway?
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Message 11 - posted by marvoon, Feb 28, 2006


Do you get frustrated as a tax payer when you see big fat people draining the NHS resources all because they couldn’t control their diet properly?

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What utter tripe!

One minute you tell us that are overweight that we're going to die young, the next you're complaining we're using up tax payers money.

Well make your mind up. If we're going to die young, the taxpayers wont have to worry about paying us a pension, despite the fact that we've contributed to it all our lives, and the taxpayers wont have to worry about paying to keep us in a nursing home until we're well into our nineties.
I would imagine that would far outweigh (no pun intended) a few weeks hospital stay.
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Message 12 - posted by philiom, Feb 28, 2006

I like that Marvoon.....nice one!

Do you get frustrated as a tax payer when you see big fat people draining the NHS resources all because they couldn’t control their diet properly?




What utter tripe!

One minute you tell us that are overweight that we're going to die young, the next you're complaining we're using up tax payers money.

Well make your mind up. If we're going to die young, the taxpayers wont have to worry about paying us a pension, despite the fact that we've contributed to it all our lives, and the taxpayers wont have to worry about paying to keep us in a nursing home until we're well into our nineties.
I would imagine that would far outweigh (no pun intended) a few weeks hospital stay.

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Message 13 - posted by grum_back_seat_driver, Feb 28, 2006

Assuming you drop dead instantly that is.

Are you suggesting that obese people are going to refuse treatment for high blod pressure, diabetes and angina? For artharitis due to the wight on their joints? Or that they may survive heart attacks and need lots of palative care?

Hardly, it's human nature not to want to die but it is the cause that lies with the individual, the effect becomes everyones problem.

I don't think anyone who abuses their body should get treatment unless they turn their life around. Alcoholics, smokers, drug addicts and the morbidly obese.
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Message 14 - posted by marvoon, Mar 1, 2006


I don't think anyone who abuses their body should get treatment unless they turn their life around. Alcoholics, smokers, drug addicts and the morbidly obese.

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You know I wish I liked tripe because they'd be plenty to eat on here.

So in your average hospital you have the patient with lung cancer. Smoker so don't treat him.

In the next bed is the patient with liver cancer. Liked a pint, don't treat him.

Big fat bloke in by the next bed, he's visiting a mate who had a heart attack through stress. Worked too hard, don't treat him.

Next bed, bloke with a broken neck. Been sking, brought it on himself, don't treat him.

Next bed is a bloke with a broken leg. Ironic this one, he broke it playing football which his doctor had advised to keep fit. Oh well, self inflicted so don't treat him.

Next bed is a woman with herediatary heart disease. Just what were her parents thinking, having chidren. Don't treat her.

Next bed..........is empty!
You know why, there's nobody left we can treat!

It's not about how long you live, it's about what you do with your time while you're here. If you think spending the last twenty years of your life with strangers, being cared for in a nursing home where you're fed slop, have your backside wiped and have to go to bed at 4.30pm is worth keeping fit for, so be it.
Me? I prefer to live now. Don't cry when I've gone, your tears will have been wasted, I've enjoyed myself.
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Message 15 - posted by Yodell, Mar 1, 2006

But I quite like the idea of getting my bum wiped. In fact i'm going to 'put it on' get put into one of those homes and then pull tongues at the nurse afterwards. I hope he doesn't take offence though.
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Message 16 - posted by grum_back_seat_driver, Mar 1, 2006

Perhaps you misunderstand my idea of abusing your body then.

Smoker, no don't treat them.

"liked a pint" isn't an alcoholic by default but most people never see if they can actualy do without, so why not leave them out, doesn't bother me.

Stress exascebates existing conditions and heart failure is by no means exclusive to to obese. There is a condition whose name escapes me in korea and japan where young people are literaly dying from overworking, but hey, the go instantly so no problem.

People doing sports that have accidents are not abusing their bodies in the same way that someone crossing the road and being hit by a car is not.

Of course if overeating, drinking and smoking are in the same category as sports I appologise, you will find me training for the next olympics on my sofa, smoking and eating pies.;-)

You do whatever you want with your life, it is yours after all, but I would rather not pay for your excesses with my NI contributions, go private. As I said origionally, if you suddenly drop dead from bodily abuse thats fine, but most people do not have the courage of your conviction and will cling to whatever life they have left.
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Message 17 - posted by marvoon, Mar 1, 2006

I've spent one week in hospital in my life (50 years). I was 9, I fell down some stairs. Had concussion.

How on earth you can equate treating a person for an ailment brought on by being overweight, to keeping somebody on a pension or in a nursing home for anything up to 25 years completely baffles me. The latter would cost much, much more. People dying before they reach retirement age are actually doing you a favour!

I pay my taxes. If I'm not entitled to treatment, stop taking money out of my wages.


By the way, I have no children at school, so why should I pay towards education?
See what I mean, if we all applied your logic to the problem we'd be in one hell of a state.
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Message 18 - posted by philiom, Mar 1, 2006

Hey look guys.....I think this differing of opinions should go to arbitration so on that basis I'll arbitrate.

We're off subject whether we realise it or not!

The thread concerns the alarming growth in obesity amongst children. Adults can please themselves and face whatever results they should accrue, be it state sanction, express route to the crematorium or just a complete wardrobe full of clothes that have been patched together with the remnants of the millenium dome. That's their choice!

With kids it's all different. The obesity problem is growing at a phenomonal rate (pun intended) and it ain't funny. This is the next generation we're talking about here and as such we have some responsibility in ensuring we've done our best in preventing the future nation ensuing into a plethora of brightly coloured hot air ballons requiring a tonka truck with a lift-hoist to get them to work.

The question was should junk-food be banned?

The answer should be, there's no such thing as junk food. There is food that ensures you're minimising the potential effects of too many additives, too much carbohydrate, too much fat, too much artificial colouring and flavouring.
And of course, there's the other type.

You may have noticed I used the phrase too much or too many in my previous paragraph. That's important because there is little within the modern food industries repertoire that could be described as bad food......if it's consumed in moderation.

Parents must be educated and held responsible for their children's eating habits in their formal years. Parents busy life-styles should not be allowed to spill over into their children's diets.
If that education, by whatever subtle means the state can contrive, can punch the serious the situation into the minds of the parent then our spiralling dive into early obesity will no longer plummet out of control.

Be what you will.....but be sensible with the kids.
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Message 19 - posted by MJB, Mar 2, 2006

"Everything In Moderation" is what my GP told me when I asked about adapting a "new" diet.... and THAT was for health reasons, not cos I'm obese....
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Message 20 - posted by marvoon, Mar 2, 2006

Well I went to the doctors concerned that maybe I was getting fat. He soon put me at my ease.
"You're not fat", he said, "You're clinically obese. If you want to be fat, you'll have to go on a diet.":(
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