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Unfair Ban

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Message 701 - posted by Tettie-Hat, Mar 7, 2007

In case anyone hadn't noticed, pub after pub after pub are closing down, some being demolished that haven't been turned into something else. Cheap supermarket and Euro booze has been causing this for years in the suburbs as well as less money in peoples pockets - only the city centres see new licencees - but I suppose the smoking ban will get the blame but I don't think so,

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That may be so, which begs the question: why are the government intent on putting an extra nail in the coffin of flagging pub trade???
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Message 702 - posted by malwood, Mar 7, 2007

Yatri - once again you holier-than-thou non smokers have toatally avoided the question I asked over a year ago.

If there were nonsmoking and smoking pubs you could go into the nonsmoking and I could go into the smoking pubs - then everyone would be happy.

What you are saying is that 25% of the population who enjoy and cig and a pint can get stu**ed and lump it. That's democracy?

And before you start waffling on about health issues - the bar would be staffed by smokers and managed by smokers. Adults who have a right to choose for themselves, just as I have the right to choose to risk damaging my liver by having a drink or risk killing myself every time I get in a car.
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Message 703 - posted by U5848678, Mar 7, 2007

Maybe they think they're not. It's private enterprise - The Ring O' Bells in West Kirkby, I think the country's first who went smokeless a year ago announced an upturn in trade - perhaps it's the smokers doing the scaremongering?
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Message 704 - posted by Tettie-Hat, Mar 7, 2007

Maybe they think they're not. It's private enterprise - The Ring O' Bells in West Kirkby, I think the country's first who went smokeless a year ago announced an upturn in trade - perhaps it's the smokers doing the scaremongering?

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The Red Lion a few miles down the road from us went non-smoking a year or so ago. Trade is about the same now as it was then. But at the moment, its one non-smoking pub amongst many smoking pubs. Would be interesting to see if it is still as popular after July.
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Message 705 - posted by malwood, Mar 7, 2007


Smokers are a pain in the ar5se!

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Thanks Slimtone, and smug, holier-than-thou non smokers are an even bigger pain in the ar*e.
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Message 706 - posted by U6532874, Mar 7, 2007

Neither I nor any people I know, smokers included, will stop drinking in pubs and bars or eating out as much as before when this welcome ban comes in.There is no reasonable objection to it.
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Message 707 - posted by merak, Mar 7, 2007

Neither I nor any people I know, smokers included, will stop drinking in pubs and bars or eating out as much as before when this welcome ban comes in.There is no reasonable objection to it.

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Here's two prefectly reasonable objections to it - nobody asked for it in the first place and the goverment's election manifesto promised a partial ban.
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Message 708 - posted by Slimtone, Mar 7, 2007

Is it smug and holier-than-thou not to want to be poisoned by other peoples' foul-smelling, disgusting fumes? Get real, why don't you?

Smokers are a pain in the ar5se!


Thanks Slimtone, and smug, holier-than-thou non smokers are an even bigger pain in the ar*e.

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Message 709 - posted by U6532874, Mar 7, 2007

It is a partial ban. You can smoke in the street. Luxury. Why would you want to smoke indoors.Its like other dangerous delights. Whiskey is better with moorland peat water or spring water than with tap water flavoured with chlorine. Why would you want the smoke of a fine cigarette to be tainted by the beery and other smells of a bar. fresh air makes for the perfect fag.
Neither I nor any people I know, smokers included, will stop drinking in pubs and bars or eating out as much as before when this welcome ban comes in.There is no reasonable objection to it.


Here's two prefectly reasonable objections to it - nobody asked for it in the first place and the goverment's election manifesto promised a partial ban.

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Message 710 - posted by U7410096 - alt id 2, Mar 7, 2007

Smoking should also be banned in accomodation where there are children, ill or old folks.I suppose the same should apply in cars.What about train taxi and 'bus queues as well?
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Message 711 - posted by Tettie-Hat, Mar 7, 2007

Smoking should also be banned in accomodation where there are children, ill or old folks.

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14% of smokers are over 60.

I suppose the same should apply in cars.

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It is proposed that smoking whilst driving is to be added to a list of distractions listed in the code (section 142) that already include:

Loud music
Trying to read maps
Inserting a cassette or CD or tuning a radio
Arguing with your passengers or other road users
Eating and drinking

According to the Department of Transport, a 60 fixed penalty notice could then be issued to people who smoke while driving at the discretion of the police.
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Message 712 - posted by U7410096 - alt id 2, Mar 7, 2007

Sounds good. Perhaps not smoking should be a pre-condition of crumblies receiving the state pension or medical treatment. They are old enough to know better and need all possible encouragement.
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Message 713 - posted by Tettie-Hat, Mar 7, 2007

I can see the Government slogan now ...

STOP SMOKING, OR STARVE!!!

Going back to smoking and driving;

How obedient will the smoking public who light up whilst driving a car be? lets face it, people still ignore the mobile phone law, despite the fact it now incurr's 3 penalty points and a hefty fine - even though hand-free kits are widely available!
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Message 714 - posted by patsy, Mar 7, 2007

malwood,

It is the smug holier-than-thou smokers who are the bigger pain, it is they who are doing the most moaning and whining about the best bit of legislation to come out of this government, for the health of the majority of people in the country.

and smug, holier-than-thou non smokers are an even bigger pain in the ar*e.

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Message 715 - posted by malwood, Mar 7, 2007

Is it smug and holier-than-thou not to want to be poisoned by other peoples' foul-smelling, disgusting fumes? Get real, why don't you?

Smokers are a pain in the ar5se!


Thanks again Slimtone. Is lack of nicotene destroying your brain cells?
How many more times do I have to say it...............

IF YOU DON'T LIKE SMOKE DON'T GO INTO A SMOKER'S PUB!
IF YOU DON'T LIKE SMOKE DON'T GO INTO A SMOKER'S PUB!
IF YOU DON'T LIKE SMOKE DON'T GO INTO A SMOKER'S PUB!

and...............

IF YOU GO INTO A NON SMOKING PUB THERE WOULD BE NO SMOKE!!
IF YOU GO INTO A NON SMOKING PUB THERE WOULD BE NO SMOKE!!
IF YOU GO INTO A NON SMOKING PUB THERE WOULD BE NO SMOKE!!

GET IT??!!

OR are you saying you should be able to go into a smoker's pub because they are more fun.

OR are you saying it would be a breach of yoiur human rights NOT to be allowed to go into a smoker's pub.

I'm getting really annoyed now

No one has actually answered my question yet

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Message 716 - posted by Slimtone, Mar 7, 2007

Malwood/

Are there any signs which say; "Smoke, go no further!!" So wherever you are you can be inhaling the foul fumes because they go where the wind takes them. Get it?
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Message 717 - posted by patsy, Mar 7, 2007

malwood,

There is no such thing as a 'smoker's pub' or a 'non-smoker's pub'

Pub is short for public, that means the general public. <erm>


If you want answers to your question, you should lobby your MP you have had plenty of time to do so, but you have left it a bit late now.;)

posted by malwood

IF YOU DON'T LIKE SMOKE DON'T GO INTO A SMOKER'S PUB!
IF YOU GO INTO A NON SMOKING PUB THERE WOULD BE NO SMOKE!!

No one has actually answered my question yet

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Message 718 - posted by newparkstub, Mar 7, 2007

it has been proven that smoking damages your health it should be made ilegal every where
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Message 719 - posted by merak, Mar 7, 2007

Pub is short for public, that means the general public.

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You're wrong about that Patsy. 'Pub', as you'll know, is an abbreviation for "public house", but what it actually means goes back to the days when places that sold booze were extensions of the owner's houses. The distinction was then made between the part that was the owner's private residence, and the part that wasn't. To this day, even though pubs aren't attached to the owner's house, the term 'public house' means that it is treated as if it was.

It's nothing to do with 'public' in the context of everybody having right of use.
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Message 720 - posted by malwood, Mar 7, 2007

Darling Patsy - you are another non smoker whose brain is obviously suffering from lack of nicotine.

The whole point of the thread which I started a year ago was a question FOR DISCUSSION - and I repeat for the tenth time.!

WHY CANNOT WE HAVE SMOKING PUBS AND NON-SMOKING PUBS??

That is the point and that is my very sensible question (for discussion) WHICH I ASKED A YEAR AGO AND NONE OF THE ARMY OF THE SELF RIGHTEOUS HEALTH MAFIA HAVE YET BEEN ABLE TO ANSWER.

Pub = public? Patronising or what? Have you not heard of a public bar, shortened in the colloquial English to "pub"? You really should try a cig, it would perk you up and relax you no end. ;-)


malwood,
There is no such thing as a 'smoker's pub' or a 'non-smoker's pub'
Pub is short for public, that means the general public. <erm>
If you want answers to your question, you should lobby your MP you have had plenty of time to do so, but you have left it a bit late now.;)

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