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Unfair Ban

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Message 181 - posted by Tettie-Hat, Nov 16, 2006

<laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh>

This thread topic was originally about whether or not the introduction of the The Smoking, Health and Social Care Act was passed to give everyone equal rights to fresh air, or whether it was intended purely as a smite on smokers rights.

As such, the debate has been on going for months with an ever-increasing divide between smokers and non-smokers about whether or not it is fair to impose a ban on smoking in public places.

As far as I am aware, that debate came to an end a couple of web-pages back. At this point both of the warring factions found some common ground, gave each other a great big hug (well - more of a cautious handshake really!) and realised that the Act was intended to give equal rights to all, rather than victimising the smokers!

Certainly, in such places where a smokers habit may well effect you personally (i.e. bar / restaurant / workplace) then of cause, you have a perfect right to air your disdain. However, after this discussion had come to its natural end you continued to chip away at smokers, only this time on a more personal level.

Tell me - How does it affect YOU PERSONALLY should someone you don't know chose to risk their health in any way - for any reason, not just through smoking? If it doesn’t effect you personally, on what grounds do you feel it appropriate to judge their actions?

Maybe you've had a personal experience which might be the reason why you feel so compelled to convert the entire population of the world to a non-smoking human race - I don't know, but I sincerely hope you have not had to endure something like that.

May I suggest maybe starting a new topic about say, 'Should we make tobacco illegal', or 'How do smokers effect their immediate families?' or ‘Is the only way to be a considerate smoker is to be an ex-smoker?’ I've no doubt it will attract a lot of postee's from both sides and could prove quite a lively debate for some considerable time!


The analogy doesn't work again. So ALL people with motorbikes don't smoke then either? If you're using it as a either/or then they'd all have to be none smokers for it to work. Some people take their children with them to matches - I do when/if they ask. Most if not all grounds encourage it and have family tickets, reduced rates and enclosures - plenty of women go to, both football and rugby.

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Its not nice when someone starts to critisisie your life-style when it doesn’t effect them in any way at all, is it Yod's? And I hadn't even got out of first gear .....!

Hopefully you've now got the point!


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Message 182 - posted by WrexhamLady, Nov 19, 2006

Do the considerate smokers who may make sure their kids don't go without first, think of their kids a) health from the smoke b) the kids being left with no parent/s through cancer.

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This resonates with me, I must admit.

I was raised, like many in the late 60's/ 70's, in a smoking household and suffered with bronchitis as a child, my little brother spent a lot of time in a plastic tent in hospital with asthma.

Both my parents died before their time as a direct result of smoking.

Smoking has robbed us of health in our childhood and parents in our middle age and my children are left without grandparents.


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Message 183 - posted by Hudsonshawk, Nov 19, 2006

think about the 75% who don't skoke, why should we have to put up with the smoke and come home smelling of an ashtray
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Message 184 - posted by Tettie-Hat, Nov 19, 2006

I'm so sorry to hear about that, Wrexham Lady. <hug>

From what I can remember of 60's/70's I don't think the health issues connected to smoking/passive smoking where widely known, in those days! Certainly my parents never seemed to think twice about the health issues when they allowed their visiting friends to light up in the house. Everyone used to moan about the smell of stale smoke the next morning, but that was it!

These days, of cause, there is not excuse for ignorance.





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Message 185 - posted by WrexhamLady, Nov 19, 2006

I'm so sorry to hear about that, Wrexham Lady. <hug>

From what I can remember of 60's/70's I don't think the health issues connected to smoking/passive smoking where widely known, in those days! Certainly my parents never seemed to think twice about the health issues when they allowed their visiting friends to light up in the house. Everyone used to moan about the smell of stale smoke the next morning, but that was it!

These days, of cause, there is not excuse for ignorance.

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Yes everybody seemed to smoke then didn't they?

The ban will mean that smoking is not accepted as the norm, which has to be a good thing for future generations.

It is (at last) considered an anti social habit now; in those days everywhere seemed smoke filled with fag ends littered on the floor and everyone just sat in it.

Hopefully smoking will reduce still further, my poor mum just couldn't give up, even for a couple of hours! Even though she knew it was killing her she had no power to stop. It's a nasty drug even for the user/victim, let alone the bystander.




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Message 186 - posted by KarenWhite1978, Nov 30, 2006

It's not been banned, not yet, possibly next year. Some restaurants have gone smoke free, others, wishing to keep their best paying customers, have stayed normal.

Light up, blow smoke everywhere, and upset all the moaners while we still have the chance!
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Message 187 - posted by U4357578, Nov 30, 2006

KW. That's a nice responsible attitude and is exactly the reason why we need such laws.

Karen White. You know what that's rhyming slang for don't you?
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Message 188 - posted by Tettie-Hat, Dec 1, 2006

<laugh>

Jonah! You are a naughty boy!

Ban from smoking in public places comes in on 1st July!

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Message 189 - posted by *RebelBadger*, Dec 1, 2006

I'm a smoker but I think its a really good idea to have a smoking ban in resteraunts, pubs and bars. I went up to St Andrews this autmumn bfor a week away and I found I smoked alot less because I wasn't willing to get cold outside. The resteraunts, pubs and bars we went to smelt alot better and had a much cleaner feel to them. It would help me to cut down and eventually quit because I'd only have a cigarette if I was really desperate for one. I also hate my clothes and hair smelling of smoke and I can't stand it when someones having a cigartette when I'm eating (I give others the courtesy of waiting till their finished or going elsewhere) I want to quit!
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Message 190 - posted by U4357578, Dec 1, 2006

Had to be said Tetty, btw, how's your quitting going?

Look up the helpline number 0800 something dadeda:)

BTW Max has started again. This time with a personal attack on Chris Jones' wife...shocking how it passed moderation really...
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Message 191 - posted by Tettie-Hat, Dec 1, 2006

Hey! Jonah! Cold turkeys not that bad!

The patches help take off the edge ....... and of cause, I have a lovely piccie of that Type R everywhere for insentive! Specifically: work station, ex-ciggie cupboard, back door (I smoked outside). Certainly helps if you have an insentive!

That said, I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy a ciggie - because I did!
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Message 192 - posted by U4357578, Dec 1, 2006

Tetty

Hang on to that last remark;

That said, I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy a ciggie - because I did!

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Don't let yourself be fooled into starting again because of this justification. Your mind will tell you all sorts in order for you to start again. Self destruction...Just a thought.
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Message 193 - posted by Tettie-Hat, Dec 1, 2006

Don't panic, Jonah! Don't panic!

I was being honest about smoking, not weakening to the paings of withdrawal!

"I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy a ciggie - because I DID" !
ie in the past tense!

Na! I'm now addicted to Nicorettes, SO ITS OK! The rush without the smokey smell<ok>

Tetty

Hang on to that last remark;

That said, I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy a ciggie - because I did!
Don't let yourself be fooled into starting again because of this justification. Your mind will tell you all sorts in order for you to start again. Self destruction...Just a thought.

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Message 194 - posted by yahtri, Dec 6, 2006

Keep it up Tet!!

I went to skipton at the weekend (Christmas and pork pie shopping!) and found a Real Ale pub that has already gone non-smoking throughout. It was heaven! Great ale, food was good, no foul smelling smoke, and no foul-smelling clothes afterwards either!

It was quite hard to get a seat because the place was packed the whole time I was in there. Place offered free non-alcoholic drinks to a nominated driver from outside of Skipton.
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Message 195, Dec 6, 2006

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Message 196 - posted by U5848678, Dec 6, 2006

It's not been banned, not yet, possibly next year. Some restaurants have gone smoke free, others, wishing to keep their best paying customers, have stayed normal.

Light up, blow smoke everywhere, and upset all the moaners while we still have the chance!

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Exactly the type of person i'm on about and you've just helped my message no end. I thank thee. Sorry to hear about your predicament Wtexham lady and if that doesn't make people gather their thoughts, well, until their next selfish fag, then nothing may until it's one of their own.
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Message 198 - posted by 800lbGorilla, Dec 7, 2006

Yodeller - if you holy joe non-smokers persist in your bigotted and unreasonable attitudes you can only expect a few kicks back!

Tell you what - we'll put a smokeless bar out on the Bar Light Vessel so you can all sit and moan to your heart's content whilst the rest of us get on with enjoying our lives.
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Message 199 - posted by U4445838, Dec 8, 2006

Yodeller - if you holy joe non-smokers persist in your bigotted and unreasonable attitudes you can only expect a few kicks back!

Tell you what - we'll put a smokeless bar out on the Bar Light Vessel so you can all sit and moan to your heart's content whilst the rest of us get on with enjoying our lives.

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If you smokers want to kill yourselves thst' perfectley OK my people like me - just don't try to kill any innocent people, please.
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Message 200 - posted by 800lbGorilla, Dec 12, 2006

Now. Lancs, just how do smokers kill innocent people? I assume you know that all the lies about passive smoking have been shown up for what they are?
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