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Message 61 - posted by sussexangel, Oct 19, 2006

Reading through all the posts on this thread I kept changing my opinion from the smoker to the non-smoker..being able to see all points of view...so now my head hurts and I am very confused. !! lol

But what does enthrall me in a weird sort of a way...is the fact that under the guise of wanting to "help us get healthy" I worry that this Government is trying to control us..it does smack of a right wing attitude for a so called left wing party....but what's getting me thinking is.....with all the dos and don'ts nowadays, even for our kids...no conkers, no playing on trees...no this and that...control your drinking ( adults now) and no smoking...unless it's cannabis ( and we'll only smack your wrists..if you're young)don't eat this, eat that, exercise this way, wear this, don't wear that...are we living in a real nanny state ?

But my question to all you intelligent people is :-
If this is the way the future governments in this country goes....what "type" of ideal person are they trying to create ?

Over to you...

Sussexangel
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Message 62 - posted by Spotted Snake, Oct 23, 2006

This is why people refer to the government-inspired "health facists".

The real facists, the Nazis, were trying to create "the master race" by propaganda, by social engineering, by putting large numbers to death; people of certain ethnic origin(mostly Gipsies,Blacks and Jews),disabled people and alcoholics, and had every intention of using genetic engineering at a later stage.

This government is only using propaganda and social engineering at present,we hope!!
But what is their goal in producing a "master race"? And how far ar they willing to go to do precisely that?

Well the proposed smoking legislation will absolutely kill the local pub. The one that does not do meals but has lots of elderly chaps talking politics. It will kill the working men's clubs(strongholds of "old" Labour) and that is where most people meet and talk about politics.
Take a diet high in carbohydrates, that renders the population more easily controllable.A community which spends all its energy exerciseng has nothing left to protest against unreasonable government legislation.
Freedom to protest peacefully has been whittled away. We have a government that does not listen,does not care what the people think. Genuine democracy is under threat.
Education is being subtly changed to ensure the indoctrination of our young, extremist creationist christian fundamentalists have been encouraged to take over our schools. Punitive laws much worse than ASBOS will shortly brought in to punish the non-conforming young, under the guise of preventing youth crime.

It is a long time since labour were a left wing party, under the current leadership they have moved from centre to right. It looks like the next move will be to far right!! Voters should be more wary otherwise we could end up with a democratically elected facist government. Remind you of anything?
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Message 63 - posted by yahtri, Oct 24, 2006

In Scotland, where I recently enjoyed a break, the pub was alive and well and all the better for being smoke free, I can assure you. And the government obviously does listen to us, for as a democracy the will of the majority has brought about the change in the law that ALL non-smokers desire, and many smokers too - no smoking in public places, pubs and restaurants. In other words your post is ill-informed, or even erroneous, if not a bit fanatical.

This is why people refer to the government-inspired "health facists".

The real facists, the Nazis, were trying to create "the master race" by propaganda, by social engineering, by putting large numbers to death; people of certain ethnic origin(mostly Gipsies,Blacks and Jews),disabled people and alcoholics, and had every intention of using genetic engineering at a later stage.

This government is only using propaganda and social engineering at present,we hope!!
But what is their goal in producing a "master race"? And how far ar they willing to go to do precisely that?

Well the proposed smoking legislation will absolutely kill the local pub. The one that does not do meals but has lots of elderly chaps talking politics. It will kill the working men's clubs(strongholds of "old" Labour) and that is where most people meet and talk about politics.
Take a diet high in carbohydrates, that renders the population more easily controllable.A community which spends all its energy exerciseng has nothing left to protest against unreasonable government legislation.
Freedom to protest peacefully has been whittled away. We have a government that does not listen,does not care what the people think. Genuine democracy is under threat.
Education is being subtly changed to ensure the indoctrination of our young, extremist creationist christian fundamentalists have been encouraged to take over our schools. Punitive laws much worse than ASBOS will shortly brought in to punish the non-conforming young, under the guise of preventing youth crime.

It is a long time since labour were a left wing party, under the current leadership they have moved from centre to right. It looks like the next move will be to far right!! Voters should be more wary otherwise we could end up with a democratically elected facist government. Remind you of anything?

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Message 64 - posted by U6196471 - alt id 5, Oct 24, 2006

Roll on the ban.
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Message 65 - posted by 800lbGorilla, Oct 24, 2006

And just what do all you fascists propose to do if all us smokers say that enough is enough and ignore the ban?
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Message 66 - posted by U4357578, Oct 24, 2006

Grill. Kettle, Pot & Black.


You would like to see a ban of motorcycle racing on the Isle of Man.

Views, that's all they are.
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Message 67 - posted by Tettie-Hat, Oct 24, 2006

I don't much care for sitting in a smokey pub, certainly don't enjoy eating a meal in a smoke filled restaurant and never ever let anyone light up in my own home - including myself!

However, when it comes to stopping smokers from lighting up outside an establishment (or within so many meter's of it) on the street, it is going a bit too far IMHO! This must touch on a human rights issue for smokers, surely ? SMOKING IS NOT ILLIGAL AFER ALL!

So I ask - What is wrong with having 'smoking' and 'non-smoking' sections within an establishment which are completely seperate from each other?

I know that its a staff health and safety issue which is calling for a total ban inside public places but, provided the staff themselves smoke, I don't see why smoker staff can't work in the smoking section, whilst the non-smoking staff enjoy clean air in the non-smoking section.

But then again - that call's for commonsense!
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Message 68 - posted by Tettie-Hat, Oct 24, 2006

And just what do all you fascists propose to do if all us smokers say that enough is enough and ignore the ban?

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I believe the pub can lose its licence if they are unable to enforce people to stop lighting up. Well - that's how it works in Scotland anyway!
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Message 69 - posted by Lizziedripping, Oct 24, 2006

I think banning smoking in public places is one of those crazy laws. If a manager/owner of a public place doesn't want smoking they should put the sign up saying "NO SMOKING". We all have the intelligence to act accordingly.
Pompom non smoker who is nursing Dad with lung cancer who gave up 20 years ago and would be the first to frequent a No Smoking zone.
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Message 70 - posted by Tettie-Hat, Oct 24, 2006

I agree totally PomPom - that is the most sensible and grown up thing to do. Certainly, there are quite a few smoke-free places for us to frequent locally & it works just fine!

However, we are now living in a nanny-state so suffice to say, all logic and reason has gone out the window!



I think banning smoking in public places is one of those crazy laws. If a manager/owner of a public place doesn't want smoking they should put the sign up saying "NO SMOKING". We all have the intelligence to act accordingly.
Pompom non smoker who is nursing Dad with lung cancer who gave up 20 years ago and would be the first to frequent a No Smoking zone.

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Message 71 - posted by U6196471 - alt id 5, Oct 24, 2006

Nowhere in the fast increasing list of places has the ban been ignored. Who would have expected it to have worked so well in New York Ireland Scotland and now great chunks of France?
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Message 72 - posted by 800lbGorilla, Oct 27, 2006

Obviously, Ernie, you have not heard about rooves, etc. being removed to create areas where smoking is permissible and the other tricks to subvent the ridiculous ban.

Perhaps in Britain we are approaching the stage where widespread disobedience of a ridiculous law will occur.
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Message 73 - posted by yahtri, Oct 28, 2006

Its not a ridiclous law. Its a great law, not before time. In other countries it has proved a great success.

I understand the smokers argument about freedom to smoke. Non-smokers have an equal right not to smoke. But where smokers then deny the freedom of non-smokers to not smoke and to have their health protected, then smokers argument falls flat and demonstrates that their attitude to 'human rights' is nothing more than 'I am all right Jack'. A non-smoker (and a non-smoking establishment) however does not deny a smoker their right to smoke - merely asks them to smoke where nobody has their rights denied.

I have never seen a discussion on the smoking ban where smokers (or non-smokers) provide a useful counter-argument, or make any point that makes the ban seem unfair or an infringement of rights.
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Message 74 - posted by Lizziedripping, Oct 28, 2006

"Its not a ridiclous law. Its a great law, not before time. In other countries it has proved a great success."



Yahtri.
It is a ridiculous law. Just another one of those for the 'weak willed' who can't control their habit. They need the government to legislate for them. And we will probably see a lot more because of those pathetic Europeans!
Broseleypipes non smoker. Bring back Britishness.

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Message 75 - posted by U6196471 - alt id 5, Oct 28, 2006

What has Britishness to do with letting people be smelly and kill themselves and those around them?
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Message 76 - posted by yahtri, Oct 28, 2006

Ooh. Don't get me started on Europe! Why oh why did we ever agree to let them start telling us what we can/can't do.

On the point in question I see your point but it may be that weak willed people need to have it set in law, but then thats ok by non-smokers (the majority); if it wasn't set in law then weak willed people continue to infringe the rights of the majority (and of the strong willed, too, for that matter!).

Hence its not a ridiclous law, its been brought in for very good reasons. Ridiclous laws include a homeowner being charged for assault for punching a burglar etc
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Message 77 - posted by Lizziedripping, Oct 28, 2006

It's a free Country. Some of my best friends are smelly and so fed up of the government imposing laws that stopped them making decisions for themselves that they commited suicide.
This is Pom back on board. Broseley Pipes is binging again while it's not against the law!
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Message 78 - posted by yahtri, Oct 28, 2006

You see, its NOT a free country! Non-smokers go to a pub for a drink and an unwanted dose of nicotine and tar etc! They have no freedom not to do that. Following the law change, everyone will be free to go to the pub for a drink and a meal etc, and also if someone wants one, a cigarette - while those who do NOT want one also will be free not to have one!
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Message 79 - posted by Lizziedripping, Oct 28, 2006

"Hence its not a ridiclous law, its been brought in for very good reasons. Ridiclous laws include a homeowner being charged for assault for punching a burglar etc"

No. Hence it is a ridiculous law. Every publican has the freedom to display a sign NO SMOKING and I for one would frequent that sociable establishment just as I would CHOOSE not to frequent the Inn down the road with the sign SMOKING ACCEPTED.
Happy to have a law that helps to stop the contravention of any of the 10 commandments. I think a good lawyer would help the impulsive who hits out at a burglar.
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Message 80 - posted by U6196471 - alt id 5, Oct 28, 2006

It's a free Country. Some of my best friends are smelly and so fed up of the government imposing laws that stopped them making decisions for themselves that they commited suicide.
This is Pom back on board. Broseley Pipes is binging again while it's not against the law!

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This is a strange post. Can you give examples? More than two of your friends have committed suicide as a direct result of frustration over government policy?
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