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Unfair Ban

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Message 1 - posted by malwood, Feb 15, 2006

So, smoking has been banned in bars and restaurants.

Great - that's 25% of the UK population who enjoy and cigarette with their drink or meal well and truly trampled on.

Why can't this interfering bunch of nannying nitwits we laughingly call our Government leave us alone to make an adult decision for ourselves?

Why couldn't we have pubs with a manager who smokes, with staff who smoke serving drinks to customers who like a smoke?

Then all the non-smokers could go into their own stark, functional, smoke free clinics to enjoy their carrot juice and talk about calories and exercise bikes.
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Message 2 - posted by miahigh, Feb 15, 2006

and take their recreational drugs like cocaine
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Message 3 - posted by Lucky_shoes, Feb 15, 2006

I have been unfotunate enough to be eating in a pub and have the experience ruined by the smell and presence of smoke wafting in my direction which I had to breathe in and made my clothes smell. It wasn't just me, there were others who were put of by the actions of the people on a single table who didn't take into considerration the feelings of others who were also eating.
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Message 4 - posted by malwood, Feb 15, 2006

"I have been unfotunate enough to be eating in a pub and have the experience ruined by the smell and presence of smoke"

Exactly why I said there could have been smoking and no-smoking pubs and restaurants created.

A very logical and simple solution, but obviously too logical and simple for the Nanny State, politically correct control freaks who are slowly but surely removing more and more of our rights.
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Message 5 - posted by brenhopping, Feb 16, 2006

MALWOOD....
worry not, the ban doesn,t come in for about l5 months.
That ruddy comet could blow us away. Your fag would slip from your grasp.
My great granny smoked 40 a day all her life. When she died grandad just stubbed her out with his foot on the carpet.
cheeras MAX NOTTINGHAM of lincoln "king of the phone-ins"
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Message 6 - posted by HAMPTONCAUGHT, Feb 18, 2006

Not long ago everyone was saying 'they can't ban smoking' well 'they' have, I am a non smoker by the way, but this is the thin end of a very dangerous wedge.Who will they go for next? the man who likes a drink, the man who is a bit overweight, the man in the 4x4,the man who disposes of his refuse in the wrong bin. Be warned it is not the end of government interference in our lives because they will come for you one day.
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Message 7 - posted by kezslurps, Apr 2, 2006

i am an ex smoker but it doesnt bother me going into a pub and having a separate area for smokers - why couldnt theyve just stuck to that and catered for everyone? i must admit the smell makes me sick - especially when you sit next to someone who stinks of smoke on the bus, but, i think this ban is unfair....
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Message 8 - posted by U2448401, Apr 2, 2006

Trampled on?! No it's more like the covers have been removed and there's a lively new life to be lived. More drinking more fun less cancer.
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Message 9 - posted by loisharriet, May 24, 2006

Im a smoker myself, but do appreciate that it isnt nice to sit in a resturant and have folk smoking around you whilst eating. Having said that i do think its going a bit far, when you cant even go out and have a drink in peace without the "smoke police" on ya back, fortunately the pubs i tend to frequent havent banned smoking as yet, but when they do and i know its not far away now. I for one shall not be going out as often. Smoking is an informed choice, but it seems to me, that were being TOLD! now that it isnt exceptable and we are all social outcasts
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Message 10 - posted by brenhopping, May 27, 2006

loisharriet

I think "social outcast" is a bit strong.

But there certainly has been a big change in attitudes to public smoking in my lifetime.

the first lung cancer report came out in the l950s...so they have taken 50 years to get round to really doing something about it.

I think a large part of public opinion is ahead of the government action

But there will of course be people who disagree.

cheers
Max nottingham of lincoln KOTPI
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Message 11 - posted by U2487692, May 27, 2006

Im a smoker myself, but do appreciate that it isnt nice to sit in a resturant and have folk smoking around you whilst eating. Having said that i do think its going a bit far, when you cant even go out and have a drink in peace without the "smoke police" on ya back, fortunately the pubs i tend to frequent havent banned smoking as yet, but when they do and i know its not far away now. I for one shall not be going out as often. Smoking is an informed choice, but it seems to me, that were being TOLD! now that it isnt exceptable and we are all social outcasts

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Not outcasts, you just have dirty habits. There's a time and place for everything.
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Message 12 - posted by U3775715 - alt id 1, May 27, 2006

Smoking should only be allowed in vented isolation away from children old folks or anyone not specifically agreeing. Like the sound of these new warning photos of cancerous lungs and dead smokers to be wrapped around fag packets from next year.
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Message 13 - posted by Chris-Leeds, May 31, 2006

Most of the smokers I know welcome the ban.

If you are so addicted to smoking and you go out for a meal, you can go OUTSIDE for a fag. You don't need to pollute the bar/pub/restaurant and spoil the food for so many people.
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Message 14 - posted by Andy Smith, Jun 6, 2006

Unfortunately for smokers, the government have actually done the right thing in this case. Rather than listen to the chelping of minority pressure groups like Forest, they have acted on what the majority of the general public wanted - a complete ban on smoking in public places.

With the way a lot of smokers are acting, you would have thought that they had no-where to go now that the ban is coming in. Enclosed spaces account for an almost insignificant amount of the space available, and it doesn't prevent them from having a drink and a cigarette either. They'll just have to do it outside from now on, where it belongs.

For too long now smokers have had it easy. The minority of smoker's always had their rights put before the majority of non-smokers in pubs, clubs and public spaces. All this new legislation is doing is re-addressing the balance, and encouraging smokers to do the honourable thing - STUB IT OUT FOR GOOD!
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Message 15 - posted by U3508276 - alt id 4, Jun 6, 2006

Can't understand why smokers haven't decided to be pragmatic and accept defeat graciously. They lost the argument on the merits.
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Message 16 - posted by a rogers, Jun 6, 2006

I work in the pub industry and no matter what information you hear on this subject the effects of this ban will create a massive fall in profits not just to the breweries but also to the landlords. I know landlords now who are actively retraining in other areas as they know business will be going down the pan. I also know other landlords who are simply going to defy the ban and allow smokers to smoke in their premises. In this context I totally understand them as the chances of them getting caught and fined far outweigh that of loss of business. The breweries are now concentrating more on sales of "take home" products as they know what damage as been done. I stick by my old thinking on this matter that there was nothing wrong in th first place. If you didnt like the smell of smoke or passive smoking keep out off pubs
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Message 17 - posted by U3508276 - alt id 4, Jun 6, 2006

But experience everywhere else shows that the opposite is true.
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Message 18 - posted by a rogers, Jun 6, 2006

it actaully doesnt it you look into the fact and figures. Take Dublin for an example. The alcohol industry has actually suffered a 20% loss in revenue since the ban come into place and if you look closer and the figures you will see the government allowed the breweries e.g. Guiness certain tax advantages. The breweries then passed this onto their establishments to maintain revenue streams. These tax advantages are only for 10 years and to my understanding a similiar break will be allowed to both pub chains and breweries in UK when the ban comes in. All I will say is dont beleive everything you read about "it has made no difference" etc etc. In ten years time our pub industry as we know it will either be struggling beyong all recognition or will not exist as it does today.
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Message 19 - posted by a rogers, Jun 6, 2006

Believe me when I say it is only a government policy to retain public perception that they are actually looking after our health and that should these bans have an adverse effect on taxation (which is strongly believed in the industry) then certain consessions will be made to the ban. There is actually an amendment already been applied which states that the ban is to be looked into and reviewed in one year from start date and MP's have already agreed a turnaround would be applied if tax revenue from alcohol drops. By the way Im a non smoker and always have been but from what i know this in my opinion is just a vote winner and will change over the next decade or so
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Message 20, Jun 6, 2006

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