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Unfair Ban

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Message 1001 - posted by merak, Dec 22, 2007

merak,

Being as smokers are in the minority, the government acted to serve in the best interests of the majority, by bringing in the smoking in public places ban, in the interests of the Public Health of the majority of the population. <erm>

Any Gov is supposed to serve people's best interests - not rule them like it or not.


Patsy, what the Gov promised as part of it's election manifesto was a partial ban that would've allowed people to choose. That would've been serving the intersts of the people. What it delivered instead, was a full ban. That is *not* serving the interests of the people.

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Message 1002 - posted by patsy, Dec 22, 2007

Merak,

What the government promised in their election manifesto was a referendum re. the EU treaty, but it hasn't delivered, would that referendum have served the best interests of the people.?

At least they saw sense and made the no-smoking in public places a total ban., that serves the interests of the MAJORITY of the people.

Patsy, what the Gov promised as part of it's election manifesto was a partial ban that would've allowed people to choose. That would've been serving the intersts of the people. What it delivered instead, was a full ban. That is *not* serving the interests of the people.

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Message 1003 - posted by Tettie-Hat, Dec 23, 2007


Patsy, what the Gov promised as part of it's election manifesto was a partial ban that would've allowed people to choose. That would've been serving the intersts of the people. What it delivered instead, was a full ban. That is *not* serving the interests of the people.

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Quite, Merek. They changed the manifesto at the eleventh hour. And, as Cool posted earlier, the pubs are not suddenly full to overflowing with the previously 'outcast' non-smokers as a result of the total ban either.

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Message 1004 - posted by patsy, Dec 23, 2007

Tettie-Hat,

Unless you have checked all the pubs in the country you can not make that generalisation.<erm>

Pubs around here are booming since the ban.<smiley>


.....the pubs are not suddenly full to overflowing with the previously 'outcast' non-smokers as a result of the total ban either.


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Message 1005 - posted by Tettie-Hat, Dec 23, 2007

Patsy <hug>

Long time, not scurmish ;)

I hope you have a good Christmas <bubbly>

Like everyone who posts on here I can only judge by what I have seen.

In our area [Luton / Milton Keynes / Hemel Hempstead / Berkhamsted / Aylesbury] business is not booming. In fact, in an awful lot of cases, the 'traditional' pubs are struggling. Many have closed. I've lost clients because of it!

Lots of our old time fav. live music pubs have stopped live music. The pubs we do get to gig in have lower attendances than before [although ... <erm> that might be thanks to our playing prowess <laugh>;)] Most disconcerting is that out of those who do attend, the smokers spend most of their time outside. Its killed the atmosphere.:(

It is not just about the rights of one, but the rights of all. And that includes the rights of the proprietor to provide service's for his/her's particular clientelle to generate most income.

As far as I see it, there is nothing wrong with a designated smoking room which meets with strict requirements and where staff to not have to work.

There is also nothing wrong with having 'licenced' smoking pubs either.

Choice is the key here. Something this ban does not embrace.

As just as a foot note, I find fighting through the gaggle of smokers to get inside an establishment really irritating. Some of them there smokers look quite intimidating too <yikes>




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Message 1006 - posted by patsy, Dec 23, 2007

Tettie-Hat,

<hug>
This ban is catering for the rights of the majority, and any employer whatever his/her trade has to comply with health and safety regulations within that 'income generation' criteria.

Even a 'designated smoking room' has to be entered by employees at some time or other.

Merry Christmas to you and yours. <gift>
<peacedove>


It is not just about the rights of one, but the rights of all. And that includes the rights of the proprietor to provide service's for his/her's particular clientelle to generate most income.

As far as I see it, there is nothing wrong with a designated smoking room which meets with strict requirements and where staff to not have to work.


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Message 1007 - posted by coolnotcumbrian, Dec 24, 2007

Can I just say that from comments on here my belief that the anti-smoker, anti-choice faction are smug, selfish, hysterical bigots has been more than confirmed.

That said, I wish you all a very Happy Christmas. I intend to smoke several large cigars and anyone who doesn't like it can buy a washing machine.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!
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Message 1008 - posted by patsy, Dec 24, 2007

coolnotcumbrian,

Can I just say that your resorting to name calling in the absence of something realistic to add, confirms my belief that some smokers ( by no means all) are selfish individuals with no regard at all to the well-being of others.

You are at liberty to smoke your cigar, as long as you dont do it in a public place to the detriment of others.<erm>

Can I just say that from comments on here my belief that the anti-smoker, anti-choice faction are smug, selfish, hysterical bigots has been more than confirmed.
That said, I wish you all a very Happy Christmas. I intend to smoke several large cigars and anyone who doesn't like it can buy a washing machine.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

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Message 1009 - posted by Astro, Jan 4, 2008

So following this argument: if we were meant to swim we would have gills; if we were meant to fly we'd have wings; if we were meant to bungee jump we'd have the word 'insane' as a birthmark on our foreheads stating such, etc etc <erm>

No need for that chimney. We have a mouth and lungs.
If nature meant us to smoke, dont you think that we would have a chimmney on top of our heads

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Message 1010 - posted by TrueBlue, Jan 25, 2008

Point taken but to suggest all non-smokers are non-drinkers and fitness fanatics is a little blinkered to say the least.
I was a heavy smoker for over 30 years, having a drink without a cigarette was unthinkable.
2 years ago I quit smoking. Went from 50 a day to zero over night without suffering in the least.
Since then I can honestly say life has been infinitely better in every possible way.
I still enjoy a good social life and a game of poker in the pub on a Friday night.
In fact I enjoy it more and I don't wake up the next day with a throat like the bottom of a bird cage and my hair and clothes stinking of stale cigarette smoke.
Like I said I smoked for 30 years and would never now take an anti-smoking stance. All I would say is please don't think that you have to smoke to enjoy a social life because that's total rot!

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Message 1011 - posted by patsy, Jan 25, 2008

Well said GaryHarris,

And well done too. <ok>
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Message 1012 - posted by wabbit, Jan 25, 2008

Point taken but to suggest all non-smokers are non-drinkers and fitness fanatics is a little blinkered to say the least.
I was a heavy smoker for over 30 years, having a drink without a cigarette was unthinkable.
2 years ago I quit smoking. Went from 50 a day to zero over night without suffering in the least.
Since then I can honestly say life has been infinitely better in every possible way.
I still enjoy a good social life and a game of poker in the pub on a Friday night.
In fact I enjoy it more and I don't wake up the next day with a throat like the bottom of a bird cage and my hair and clothes stinking of stale cigarette smoke.
Like I said I smoked for 30 years and would never now take an anti-smoking stance. All I would say is please don't think that you have to smoke to enjoy a social life because that's total rot!


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Yeah...Right..<erm>

Ding Dong..Ding Dong........

...that's the bells....

....on my other leg...<whistle>
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Message 1013 - posted by merak, Jan 31, 2008

Patsy:

Tettie-Hat,

Unless you have checked all the pubs in the country you can not make that generalisation

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Seeing as wetherspoons reported profits down on account of it, then I think it's safe to say that that generalisation can indeed be made. ;)
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Message 1014 - posted by patsy, Jan 31, 2008

Merak,

There are other pubs other than Wetherspoons.<erm>

Out of 60000 pubs inthe UK only 685 are Wetherspoons.

Maybe that particular chain should take a look at themselves.

Seeing as wetherspoons reported profits down on account of it, then I think it's safe to say that that generalisation can indeed be made.

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Message 1015 - posted by VeryTrue, Jan 31, 2008


Seeing as wetherspoons reported profits down on account of it, then I think it's safe to say that that generalisation can indeed be made. <winkeye>

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I thought their profits were falling because they had introduced a policy whereby parents with children in tow are no longer allowed to drink themselves silly.
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Message 1016 - posted by merak, Feb 5, 2008

Merak,

There are other pubs other than Wetherspoons.<erm>

Out of 60000 pubs inthe UK only 685 are Wetherspoons.

Maybe that particular chain should take a look at themselves.

Seeing as wetherspoons reported profits down on account of it, then I think it's safe to say that that generalisation can indeed be made.


As a nationwide pub chain, its results are used as indicative of the market.

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Message 1017 - posted by patsy, Feb 5, 2008

merak,

I cant see why that should be, being as they have such as small percentage of the whole of the UK pubs.
I wouldn't call that 'indicative of the market'<erm>

As a nationwide pub chain, its results are used as indicative of the market.


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Message 1018 - posted by merak, Feb 6, 2008

well don't tell me, tell the financial times. ;)
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Message 1019 - posted by merak, Feb 6, 2008

hot off the press Patsy... Regents Inn have reported like for like sales down 3.8% from this time last year resulting from the impact of the smoking ban...

Is two big chains enough? <biggrin>
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