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Will the Smoking Ban Make England a Better Place to Be?

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Message 1 - posted by Jonathan Vernon-Smith, Feb 15, 2006

Health campaigners have welcomed a vote paving the way for a ban on smoking in all pubs, clubs and restaurants in England from the summer of 2007.
Deborah Arnott, of anti-smoking group Ash, said she was "amazed" and "very delighted" by the Commons decision.
MPs voted on Tuesday by a margin of 200 votes to impose a ban on smoking in all enclosed spaces, despite months of wrangling over the issue.
Opponents say the ban is an infringement of civil liberties.

So what’s your reaction to the smoking ban? Are you pleased or disappointed that MPs have voted this way?

Do you think that pubs will be better places when they are totally smoke free?

Will you be more likely to go out for a drink in a pub when you know you’ll come back smelling as sweet as you did before you went in?

Do you find that smoking in pubs ruins your enjoyment of them?

Or do you think that pubs are supposed to be smoky places?

Do you think that a ban on smoking in pubs, restaurants and clubs will actually stop people going into them?

Will it affect business in a negative way?

Are you a smoker? Will you still go out to pubs if smoking was totally banned, or will you get a few beers in and stay at home?

Do you think that this smoking ban will cause more passive smoking for children as their parents stay at home and smoke instead of going to the pub?

Should the ban have been extended to smoking in the home as well?

Do you think that this ban goes far enough? Or do you think that if the government cares about people’s health they should ban smoking TOTALLY?

Do you think the smoking ban will lead to a mass increase in the number of fag butts we see outside public places?

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Message 2 - posted by politesmokingjoe, Feb 15, 2006

While I agree that even as a smoker That smoking should be banned in public places i.e. pubs.
the government have no right to ban smoking in private members bars as this will be the responsibility of each unit and its members.
If smoking is to be banned then why not ban it completely and not sell them,this would help me and a lot of people kick the habit,or does the government make too much money out of it?
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Message 3 - posted by diamondANDREA, Feb 15, 2006

I agree with your caller of earlier - a complete ban is not the answer, a partial ban would give everyone the right to go into an environemnt of their choosing..
All the government is doing is taking away a smokers rights to go out and smoke. Next they will be telling us what we have to buy in our weekly shop.
It is about time we stopped rolling over and letting the politically correct fascists dictate what, when and how we should behave.
My Dad fought a war to ensure we would keep our right to decide what we want to do on a personal level.
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Message 4 - posted by paultopping2003, Feb 18, 2006

I can't quite get my head round how this lot (the government) propose to police this complete ban. I mean - they banned hand guns didn't they, now we have more shootings than ever before - they banned hunting with hounds and it is apparently still going on - they banned the use of (hand held) mobile phones while driving and very few have ever taken notice of that either.

I honestly couldn't see what was wrong with letting the licencee/landlord/tenant/manager make his/her own decision on which side of the divide to stand. In my own local, 90% of all the regulars and ALL the barstaff smoke. I will place money on it that the pub will close within weeks of the ban starting as most have already said that they will no longer go out. They will not suddenly be replaced by wave after wave of non-smokers and anyone who thinks as such isn't living in the real world.

The one point from the non smokers that always amuses me is this claim that they have to wash their 'smelly' clothes after a night out in a smokey pub. Do these people not sweat? Will they wear the same clothes day after day if pubs are smoke free? Somehow, I don't foresee a dip in sales of washing machines and soap powder because the government bans smoking!

Seems somewhat strange logic that I'm not in prison and can't smoke in my local but if I commit a serious offence and sent to prison, I CAN smoke there. The law (and the government) truly is an ass.
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Message 5 - posted by U3163627, Feb 18, 2006

In the North-East pubs.the smokers are using the toilets. as a smoke room.
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Message 6 - posted by U2448401, Feb 18, 2006

Where ever a ban has been introducrd pub use and trade goes up.
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Message 7 - posted by sweetlil_cutie, May 14, 2007

I couldn't have said it better myself. My dad is smoker and he is apalled by the governments decision to ban smoking because its something he enjoys, as he enjoys a fag with his pint. im a smoker also and i feel exactly the same way.
To carry on smoking i would commit a serious offence also so that i could carry on.
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Message 8 - posted by pompomwhiting, May 14, 2007

In the North-East pubs.the smokers are using the toilets. as a smoke room.

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That's Northerners for you. Got initiative. And love Gravy I believe.
Pom from the Midlands.
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Message 9 - posted by patsy, May 14, 2007

After the ban, this will not be allowed as the toilets are a 'public place'
The landord is then liable to a fine if he/she does not stop it.

In the North-East pubs.the smokers are using the toilets. as a smoke room.

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Message 10 - posted by Tettie-Hat, May 14, 2007

It's the publican's I feel sorry for. This is their livelyhood we are talking about here. Most struggle to make a a living as it is. Imposing yet another law just puts another nail in the coffin, which could just be enough to tip them over the edge.

R.I.P. the traditional English pub!
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Message 11 - posted by Tettie-Hat, May 14, 2007

I received my NHS/HM Government Smokefree pack the other week.

For 15 years I have had a non-smoking office. For 15 years employees have been asked to refrain from smoking inside the premises, rather they should go outside if they want a cigarette. For 15 years, any clients who arrive at the office with a fag on have been asked to finish it outside before entering. All this without having to display a single sign.

This unofficial non-smoking ban within the office has worked extremely well and not one person has ever complained or felt hard done by.

Now - thanks to the Government, by Law I've got to stick signs up everywhere to tell employee's and clients alike that it is now illegal to smoke on the premises. Even though, for the past 15 years everyone has respected the non-smoking policy here anyway!

I have to display one A5 sign at the entrance stating 'its illegal to smoke on these premises' as well as 70mm diameter sign's in every area within the building and also in each compartment of the company vehicles.

If I don't, I will get a fixed penalty of £150 - £200 (£1000 if it goes to court.)

Thank you Parlament, for treating me, my staff and my clients like a 6 year old child! Well done!
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Message 12 - posted by patsy, May 14, 2007

Why?

Pubs will probably experience a upturn in trade, when the majority decide to start going as a result of a smoke-free environment.

It's the publican's I feel sorry for. This is their livelyhood we are talking about here.

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Message 13 - posted by patsy, May 14, 2007

These signs will be a legal requirement, how are they to know that you have been implementing a non-smoking policy already?

Even Churches and Cathedrals have to display them, why should your premises be an exception. <erm>

I have to display one A5 sign at the entrance stating 'its illegal to smoke on these premises' as well as 70mm diameter sign's in every area within the building and also in each compartment of the company vehicles.

If I don't, I will get a fixed penalty of £150 - £200 (£1000 if it goes to court.)


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Message 14 - posted by Tettie-Hat, May 14, 2007

I do believe you and I have had this conversation before, Patie?

Off to Scotland at the weekend to see the parents. They report quite a few pub closures in and around Montrose since the Law came into force there. Most remaining 'pubs' are now geared towards eating rather than drinking. Shame really! But I suppose its all in the name of 'progress'!

Our local is up for sale! There's also mumblings of a change of use too! Bum! That means a 2 mile drive to the next nearest pub - provided that doesn't close down as well!

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Message 15 - posted by pompomwhiting, May 14, 2007

These signs will be a legal requirement, how are they to know that you have been implementing a non-smoking policy already?

Precisely.
Pom does not expect anything from our government, least of all insight!Let's have another 10 years of being treated like imbeseles.
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Message 16 - posted by DavidHankey, May 14, 2007

In answer to the original question, I don't necessarily think the smoking ban will make 'England' a better to be. It should make the pubs/clubs and restaurants a better for it's patrons.

The amazing thing I find in all of this is the Government's ineptitude to ban smoking completely, but we all know why that will never be implemented.

I can't think of another product that can be sold legally in this country with all the dire consequenes regarding health warnings that cover the packaging.
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Message 17 - posted by Tettie-Hat, May 14, 2007

Even Churches and Cathedrals have to display them, why should your premises be an exception. <erm>


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Patsy!

I know the Law. I'm not saying I should be the exception to that Law. What I am saying is that I resent being treated like a 6 year old.

Equally, I resent being threatened by fines or court proceeding for non-complience of displaying signage, particularly when you consider that for years this office (and millions of others in England) have been completely non-smoking without any problem or intervention from the Government.

In effect this office will not be affected by the change in the law regards the smoking ban in any way at all - except, now of cause, we are now lawfully required to display signage by Law for something which is not applicable to us anyway - or get a fixed penalty.

Daylight robbery, thats what it is!


Next we'll all be having to display them in our own homes as well - just in case we require the services of a tradesman, or the delivery driver from Tesco's should call round!
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Message 18 - posted by patsy, May 14, 2007

TeT068,

You can still drink in an 'eating' pub!

But dont drink and drive will you!! <yikes>

Most remaining 'pubs' are now geared towards eating rather than drinking. Shame really! But I suppose its all in the name of 'progress'!

Our local is up for sale! There's also mumblings of a change of use too! Bum! That means a 2 mile drive to the next nearest pub - provided that doesn't close down as well!

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Message 19 - posted by Tettie-Hat, May 15, 2007

<doh>

Based on our local (and I'm sure this is not the only pub with this type of clientelle) of those who go there every night for the social aspect (that is to have a drink whilst chatting with the other local regulars), 80% of them also smoke! This imminant ban has, of course, been the topic of conversation amongst the regulars. The majority say they will not bother supporting the local once the ban is enforced. If this were to happen, that is a large chunk out of the weekly takings for this pub. If the pub are able to attract more food sales to make up for the short fall then great but, with every other pub through England trying to attact the same new type of clientelle to make up their shortfalls in 'regulars' sales as well, it is going to be an uphill struggle. There will inevitably be casualties along the way.

The saddest part about all this is that, thanks to those current regulars who have threatened to vote with their feet, they have already given our Landlord the gitters! Hense why the pub is up for sale. He thought he'd get out before it started losing money left right and centre.

I personally welcome sitting in a smoke-free pub but I strongly believe a premises should be made non-smoking at the discression of the landlord and not through Government intervention.
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Message 20 - posted by patsy, May 15, 2007

TeT068,

Remember that this legislation has been introduced as a health and safety measure for all, including employees, so a landlords 'discretion' does not enter into it.



......but I strongly believe a premises should be made non-smoking at the discression of the landlord and not through Government intervention.

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