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Slavery - waste of cash?

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Message 41 - posted by bristol_citizen, Mar 26, 2007

Slavery did not end 200 years ago. No slaves were released as a result of the the Abolition of the Slave Trade Act.
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Message 42 - posted by Loaded_Luke, Mar 26, 2007

Just been reading some of the posts above, poking fun at the 'PC brigade'...very funny.

As for apologising for something that happened 200 years ago is daft. Indeed the slave trade was terrible, but pointing fingers and demanding apologies is not going to do any good. I think some people need to move on.
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Message 43 - posted by lancsdb, Mar 26, 2007

Slavery did not end 200 years ago. No slaves were released as a result of the the Abolition of the Slave Trade Act.

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It was just the start, although, I found out yesterday that the slave traders got compensated.
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Message 44 - posted by Loaded_Luke, Mar 26, 2007

Ah well that's alright then. What's the fuss all about?? lol!
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Message 45 - posted by bristol_citizen, Mar 26, 2007

Slavery did not end 200 years ago. No slaves were released as a result of the the Abolition of the Slave Trade Act.

It was just the start, although, I found out yesterday that the slave traders got compensated.

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Yep. And once the slave owners could no longer buy slaves they started to "breed" them. Nice. Let's have a celebration for civic dignitaries shall we?
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Message 46 - posted by Rosy Red, Mar 27, 2007

bristol citizen,you are a twit.yes you are.You are the billy bragg of the message boards.Everyone should air there views including you i suppose.But you are wrong so wrong.Money is being used for pc rubbish.Yet everything is cut to the bone.our parks are slowly going maintaince free.grubbing out hedging,play areas.Look at the victorian lamp post in st george park.rusting away due to lack of paint.What a nice environment for our foreign friends.Jank and her croneys have put us all in the red.Just the colour for you i think.
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Message 47 - posted by bristol_citizen, Mar 28, 2007

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Message 48 - posted by bristol_citizen, Mar 28, 2007

Money is being used for pc rubbish.

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No. the money is being used by a small white elite in this city to fund their smug, self-satisfied celebration of William Wilberforce and create a new historical myth that suits themselves.
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Message 49 - posted by U5848678, Mar 28, 2007

I think bristol cit must be a slave, aha, that's it - he's got a cob on, he wants compo.

Are the black African Cheifs who rounded up lesser tribes for cash apologising, or the muslim slave traders which went on a lot longer, how about the current Indian caste system or the Eastern Europeans traffiking for prostitution - how about the chinese gang masters using their fellow cockle pickers....

Get off your splintered soap box and get something done about the 'now' as no one's interested in what went on 200 years ago when 90% of the earth was at it and it was the norm - hey, did you know we used to duck witches in the pond too and burn em' and oh those stocks and the birch and that....
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Message 50 - posted by bristol_citizen, Mar 28, 2007

no one's interested in what went on 200 years ago when 90% of the earth was at it and it was the norm

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Your belief that everybody thinks exactly as you do is actually a well-known condition: pathological egotism, popularly known as meglomania.
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Message 51 - posted by Birbeck, Sep 5, 2007

As DonnellyYates states, it was the second most important city after London prior to the slave trade, and for eight centuries has been affluent. I did not agree with changing Merchant Quarter to Cabot Circus. Why do you think the Merchant Venturers (key in the two words, unique to Bristol) existed long before the slave trade? To protect its seafaring interests. And merchants had funded Cabot's venture in the . Bristol's wool merchants were trading overseas from early , and there was important trade with France. But we should not forget, as its increased wealth was due to the trade, and children should not know why some prominent thoroughfares and buildings are named after people.

Liverpool's wealth was gained by the transatlantic slave trade, as they were an unimportant place prior to this, with a population of only several hundred; note that their oldest historic building, a church, is only . They concentrated on transportation of slaves, storing cotton, etc from neighbouring areas such as Manchester, with a few subsidiary industries, unlike Bristol with its manufacturing, exportation & importation of wines/sherries, cocoa, sugar, tobacco, wool, etc. They have been given £billions to redevelop their now World Heritage Harbour and districts (most Grade I/II listed buildings outside of London) - gargantuan Victorian, neo-classical, civic buildings and exquisite Georgian properties; yet has 4 out of the 10 poorest districts in the UK. Liverpool's short period of prosperity ended when the trade was abolished. Bristol has always survived any financial recessions due to its enduring diverse industries/trade.
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Message 52 - posted by lancsdb, Sep 5, 2007

Money is being used for pc rubbish.

No. the money is being used by a small white elite in this city to fund their smug, self-satisfied celebration of William Wilberforce and create a new historical myth that suits themselves.

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Wrong both of you.
Money is being used to acknowledge that britain made money from torturing other people
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Message 53 - posted by respectedAndystone, Sep 5, 2007

Bristol Host. There is no reason to celebrate annything. This Country has done its best to abolish Slavery, but it is all around us, from the women sold into protitution, the Children of Asia sold by the parents to the slave makets still in Africa. Stop this stupid 'self glorification' and get stuck into the work still to be done.

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I'd like if I may to provide a parallel.
We all use electricity in our day to day lives, some of which is generated by nuclear power, in fact modern life would be impossible without it, but was I responsible for the Manhatten Project that isolated the possibilities of nuclear fission which lead to the bombing of Hiroshima & Nagasaki. No. But according to the comments of some posters and politicians I am equally culpable of laying waste two cities and unleashing the nuclear nightmare, coldwar etc as the scientists who invented it and the military who first used it as much as I am for slavery.
Three to four hundred years ago we lived in barbaric times where minor offences had greatly exagerated punishments, and nearly all human life was expendable. Look at the examples of tiny children in mills and coalmines. It was a way of life which has thankfully past for all of us. The slave trade was a barbaric aspect of that time which has past from black africans on to kids in sweat shop factories making sports good, to eastern european forced sex workers. Because of the PC brigade we in Britain are being forced to accept against our will responsability for something we had as much control over as dropping the bomb.
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Message 54 - posted by minnie3, Sep 5, 2007

why don't the Americans seem to acknowledge their part in it as well. Afterall some of their ancestors became rich as well as the British. I agree with what you say Andy.

Life was hard for the people in England too who had no rights. They could be transported to Australia for a very minor offence and be aboard a prison ship. I am sure they did not want to leave England and go to a strange land.

I think the slave trade was awful but of its time.
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Message 55 - posted by respectedAndystone, Sep 7, 2007

why don't the Americans seem to acknowledge their part in it as well. Afterall some of their ancestors became rich as well as the British. I agree with what you say Andy.

Life was hard for the people in England too who had no rights. They could be transported to Australia for a very minor offence and be aboard a prison ship. I am sure they did not want to leave England and go to a strange land.

I think the slave trade was awful but of its time.

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But for some reason the PC brigade in Britain will wear their hair shirts and try to beat the rest of us into a snivelling apology. Never forget slavery but be realistic about the participants from all sides. I guess it's kind of fashionable to continually raise it at the moment.
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Message 56 - posted by minnie3, Sep 7, 2007

I work in a school and support in history lessons. We are studying slavery and black peoples of Americas. It is taught in a very biais way demonising the British people and over simplifying the situation.

For example according to the text books the Arabs took African slaves before circa 1500s but this was a different kind of slavery and they were kind to their slaves. I don't think that was always the case. This is because we are not allowed to criticise Islam in any way in schools so they make that kind of the slavery seem ok.

But oh dear weren't the British terrible etc etc.

I don't think the students get to see all sides of the issues.
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Message 57 - posted by respectedAndystone, Sep 9, 2007

I work in a school and support in history lessons. We are studying slavery and black peoples of Americas. It is taught in a very biais way demonising the British people and over simplifying the situation.

For example according to the text books the Arabs took African slaves before circa 1500s but this was a different kind of slavery and they were kind to their slaves. I don't think that was always the case. This is because we are not allowed to criticise Islam in any way in schools so they make that kind of the slavery seem ok.

But oh dear weren't the British terrible etc etc.

I don't think the students get to see all sides of the issues.

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So the PC brigade have invented 'good & bad' slavery. This reminds me of the sort of social engineering the nazis did.
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