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Slavery - waste of cash?

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Message 1 - posted by Chris Kelly, Feb 2, 2006


Today on Points West

"A Bristol councillor has caused a row by saying that marking 200 since the end of slavery is a waste of money. Richard Eddy says the city cant afford the 250,000 cost of the events. His remarks have angered many people who believe Bristol needs to do more to acknowledge a terrible period in its history."


What do you guys think? Waste of cash, or do we need to remember our past?
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Message 2 - posted by none/MAS!, Feb 2, 2006


Today on Points West

"A Bristol councillor has caused a row by saying that marking 200 since the end of slavery is a waste of money. Richard Eddy says the city cant afford the 250,000 cost of the events. His remarks have angered many people who believe Bristol needs to do more to acknowledge a terrible period in its history."


What do you guys think? Waste of cash, or do we need to remember our past?

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Tap Barclays up for the cash,they started it!
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Message 3 - posted by Rosy Red, Feb 2, 2006

A lot of Bristolians are angry that uninformed people keep ranting on about the slave trade.It is just another PC view imposed on us.Just like Peros bridge.Outsiders are always getting it wrong.Blackboy hill is the classic one.Bristolians dont need reminding.We keep on having it drummed into us.This council has wasted money on others.Why dont they do some good and look after bristol people.Or stop the slavery that still exists in this country.P....d off Adge.
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Message 4 - posted by U2379384 - alt id 3, Feb 2, 2006

Your city is built on the equivalent of tens of billions in slave money. A amall splash on a commemoration/reminder like this is small beer and wholly justified.
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Message 5 - posted by hategaswithpash, Feb 2, 2006

HERE,HERE. This is 2006 not 1806 lets look to the future, NOT THE PAST!!!!
Next thing we know, those who object will be branded "RACIST" by the PC Brigade.
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Message 6 - posted by Rosy Red, Feb 2, 2006

are you for real
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Message 7 - posted by Rosy Red, Feb 2, 2006

jannermaid do you live in the real world.How can you get into the mind set of people that have long gone.What about all the students from other countrys enjoying bristols money studying at bristol uni.The free entry into the museum etc.and bristols great maritime history.go and preach in a country that has real shame.you might just found out about the real world.
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Message 8 - posted by TheLocalYokel, Feb 2, 2006

Slavery certainly paid a part in creating some of the wealth that established Bristol as a major city.

However, it was a very important city before the slave trade started so to say the city "is built" on slave money is a slight over-exaggeration. It helped: of that there is no argument.

I think the debate here is more whether the city in its parlous financial situation, with council taxes about to go through the roof again and front line services forever facing cutbacks, should spend public money at this time on this sort of thing rather than trying to deny the existence of a period in the city's history that no-one can take pride in.

I would rather public money be spent on the here and now when the purse is so tight, but if it's that important to a significant number of Bristol council tax payers then so be it and let the Council spend the money.

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Message 9 - posted by U2379384 - alt id 3, Feb 2, 2006

Without slave money Bristol would be the pits like Plymouth.
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Message 10 - posted by Rosy Red, Feb 2, 2006

jannermaid get over it.i will buy you a beer.although the money i pay for it.would have come from a very greedy corperate company iam a slave to.
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Message 11 - posted by Rosy Red, Feb 2, 2006

well said donnelly.common sense at last.
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Message 12 - posted by Yodell, Feb 3, 2006

Jannermaid - you sound jealous. OK Plymouths like the pits - that's their problem.

Liverpool is stuck with this stigma also but here's a few facts.

Liverpool, Bristol and London being seaports benefitted all the surrounding areas who shipped their goods to Africa.

You could argue that if it wasn't for African Chiefs trading their men for wares there wouldn't be any slavery.

Did you know that Muslim slavery of Black Africans started well before and finished well after White Western slavery only they don't beat themselves up over it.

The slaves being on the middle section of the triangle never actually set foot in Britain.

This is not pushing anything under the carpet - this was a way of life back then which was barbaric, as were ducking stools, beheadings, locking people to starve in the tower or burning people at the stake but we don't keep on having rememberances for them. We have learnt from past mistakes that will never happen again. We are supposedly 'civilised' these days. Suicide bombers apart.
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Message 13 - posted by dualAlex, Feb 3, 2006

Thank Oh mighty God a councillor has stood up to the creepy Pc Brigade that excist strongly in Local councils. It wont be long before he is proclaimed a facist or a Nazi. Arab slavery began many years before and after white slavery. Though dare mention that and some creepy lefty will brandish you a racist and tell you , your not aloud to say that in case it offends. Well let me say this as a white man i am offended that you keep brandishing us lot as white devils and facists etc who have to feel crap for what our ancestors did so shut it or ill sue you , yes sue you for racial discrimination. Get a life and by the way Ill have my coffee black and believe me my Wife who is black will certainley take no offence. P.C brigade are you listening.
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Message 14 - posted by RichTeabiscuit, Feb 3, 2006

There is already plenty of 'commemoration' of Bristol's role in the slave trade, in places like the Industrial Museum. There is plenty to see to make you stop and think in disbelief at man's inhumanity to man, and at the part played by the town. We acknowledge that this facet of the town's past is shameful. We don't need yet another hairshirt.
And I don't see why my tax money should be blown because of something over which I personally had no control and for which I personally have no need to apologise.
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Message 15 - posted by busybody61, Feb 3, 2006

I think this is a typically right-wing and bolshy reaction from a Conservative Councillor.

I don't suppose he would like a limit on the public money that is being spent on a regular basis on keeping Public Servants like himself in fine wines during office hours.

It's obvious to me that Bristol owes it's Black, Dual Heritage and Carribbean Community, who may be descendants of Slaves, some kind of Commemoration of the appalling trade which went on with no regard for them as human beings. The money involved is not a lot in public spending terms.

It is interesting to note that Mr Eddy has'nt come up with any positive suggestions about what else the money might be spent on.

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Message 16 - posted by Yodell, Feb 3, 2006

See message 12 then. White people alive today owe Black people alive today nothing in relation to what went on a century ago, just like a 16 year old german owes my 16 year old daughter nowt. Don't spend the money then if there's no worthwhile cause, instead cut or freeze council tax charges, that way everyone - both black and white benefit.
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Message 17 - posted by JB, Feb 3, 2006

Didn't Romans take this country by force? I want compensation of Italy
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Message 18 - posted by John of Paddington, Feb 3, 2006

Yes and they took slaves back to Rome, witness the remarks said to have been made at a slave market: Buyer on seeing the man was blonde with blue eyes, "Are you an Angel? "No2,came the reply,"I'm an Angle". The P.C. brigade should look over their sholder, slavery is alive and well in Eastern Europe, Africa and Asia. This Country was the first to make laws to ban the trade and did its best to stamp it out.
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Message 19 - posted by Rosy Red, Feb 3, 2006

Yodell you are a breath of fresh air.I wish the looneys would stop using black people for there warped sense of right and wrong.I have just been watching timewatch on bbc2.In the 1700s a 11yr old girl was sentence to death for stealing clothes.This was changed to shipping her off to Australia for life.Perhaps we should seek out the judges decendents and punish them.One more thing,how can black youngsters feel at one with the world.When there are looneys trying to warped there heads.There is no shame just the facts of life then.
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Message 20 - posted by U2059163, Feb 4, 2006

Perhaps we should all sue Adam and |Eve for our existance, if they had not got together none of this would have happened. Get a life you PC Brigade, slavery finished years ago, you need to grow up and find something intelligent to do with your lives.
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