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Message 61 - posted by philiom, Jan 30, 2006

Yes, I think paranoia has taken a firm grip on the nation with reference to the ID card issue
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Message 62 - posted by U2487692, Jan 30, 2006

Sooner the universal card is introduced the better.No harm done. Openess is everything.
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Message 63 - posted by John of Paddington, Jan 30, 2006

Well don't say someone din't warn you, you are like sheep at the slaughter house following the 'Judas; ram.
Sooner the universal card is introduced the better.No harm done. Openess is everything.

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Message 64 - posted by philiom, Jan 30, 2006

John, there isn't going to be a vote on the issue outside of Westminster so what's the point in revelling in the gloom of it all and likening the rest of us to sheep....bahh;)
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Message 65 - posted by lyingdog, Jan 31, 2006

Why should anyone object to their medical and financial records be a matter of public knowlege? They are for anyone in public office in the USA where all tax returns can be viewed online.

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Frankly I don't give a damn about what happens in the USA.

As far as medical records are concerned, that's between me and my medical practitioner!

As far as my financial records are concered, that's between me and my bank!

What the hell have my medical and financial records have to do with anyone else, least of all the government?

If I apply for life, or any other form of insurance cover, then I give my consent to the insurance company to contact my doctor. I don't have a problem with that. I give MY consent. End of story.

Fot those of you who may not have read the article by AC Grayling published in the The Times last October, then I suggest that you read his article (www.timesonline.co.u... and then sit back and ask yourself why the Government should proceed with this ludicrous, ill thought-out piece of legislation.

PS. philiom....the guys are on their way round to insert the micro-chip in your buttocks.<ale>
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Message 66 - posted by U2836684, Jan 31, 2006

OUCH!
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Message 67 - posted by lyingdog, Jan 31, 2006

OUCH!

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Was that "ouch!" to the article or the micro-chip insertion?!
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Message 68 - posted by philiom, Jan 31, 2006

Look, if anybody should be saying "ouch" then it's me. I'm the one facing the proposed insertion! If you think that's a painful proposition just wait till the chip crashes and they try to connect me to the mainframe to re-boot! <yikes>
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Message 69 - posted by philiom, Jan 31, 2006

To quote Simon & Garfunkle...."I am a rock, I am an island" <ale>

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Frankly I don't give a damn about what happens in the USA.

As far as medical records are concerned, that's between me and my medical practitioner!

As far as my financial records are concered, that's between me and my bank!

What the hell have my medical and financial records have to do with anyone else, least of all the government?

If I apply for life, or any other form of insurance cover, then I give my consent to the insurance company to contact my doctor. I don't have a problem with that. I give MY consent. End of story.

Fot those of you who may not have read the article by AC Grayling published in the The Times last October, then I suggest that you read his article (www.timesonline.co.u... and then sit back and ask yourself why the Government should proceed with this ludicrous, ill thought-out piece of legislation.

PS. philiom....the guys are on their way round to insert the micro-chip in your buttocks.<ale>
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Message 70 - posted by Yodell, Jan 31, 2006

Then you'll be pleased to know that the government right now can have your bank details and its contents anyway as in when the DSS are seeing if you're claiming whilst having a stash.
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Message 71 - posted by lyingdog, Jan 31, 2006

To quote Simon & Garfunkle...."I am a rock, I am an island"

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In a state-run society the government promises you security. But it's a false promise predicated on the idea that the opposite of security is risk. Nothing could be further from the truth. The opposite of security is insecurity, and the only way to overcome insecurity is to take risks. The gentle government that promises to hold your hand as you cross the street refuses to let go on the other side. ~Theodore Forstmann

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Message 72 - posted by lyingdog, Jan 31, 2006

To quote Simon & Garfunkle...."I am a rock, I am an island"


In a state-run society the government promises you security. But it's a false promise predicated on the idea that the opposite of security is risk. Nothing could be further from the truth. The opposite of security is insecurity, and the only way to overcome insecurity is to take risks. The gentle government that promises to hold your hand as you cross the street refuses to let go on the other side. ~Theodore Forstmann


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No man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent. ~Abraham Lincoln
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Message 73 - posted by U2836684, Jan 31, 2006





are we the unfortunate ones to live in this era with this goverment,

i can see that the only way forward is for a national id card,im not particularly against them,if they can hold a lot of information about you in such a small space then why not?

i do however think that they need to be made absolutely tamper and hacker proof and if this cant be done then they should not be introduced.one could say that the only people who do not want them are the people who have something to hide,that is not the issue there are people out there who value there privacy and would like to continue handling things there own way,they think that an id card will be an infringement on there rights thats there thought and it should be valued,however in the end the government will win and you may be forced to have them,

there have been many things introduced over the years where you have a party of people who objected,yet they are always passed and people end up accepting the new ways and eventually get on with there lives.

norant.

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Message 74 - posted by philiom, Jan 31, 2006

Noble words Sir......but what on earth have they got to do with an ID card?


In a state-run society the government promises you security. But it's a false promise predicated on the idea that the opposite of security is risk. Nothing could be further from the truth. The opposite of security is insecurity, and the only way to overcome insecurity is to take risks. The gentle government that promises to hold your hand as you cross the street refuses to let go on the other side. ~Theodore Forstmann


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No man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent. ~Abraham Lincoln

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Message 75 - posted by U2379384 - alt id 3, Jan 31, 2006

A chip in the buttocks seems a lot easier than having to remember to carry a card. All you'd need to do is stand near a card reader.The vet has already chipped our dog with no adverse effects.
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Message 76 - posted by John of Paddington, Jan 31, 2006

Was that to the Vet or the dog my Janner Judy? Joking apart, you could well wind up chipped, the buttocks being a likley place of instalation. I do suggest you read about the 30s in Germany, you may get the feeling od 'Deja vu'. Then again in '1984' Big Brother keeps up the fear of the enemy to increase control on the people, ring any bells? The I.D. card is only a card, it's the purpose a Government use, or misuse, it that we should all worry about.
A chip in the buttocks seems a lot easier than having to remember to carry a card. All you'd need to do is stand near a card reader.The vet has already chipped our dog with no adverse effects.

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Message 77 - posted by philiom, Jan 31, 2006

Thanks......feel a lot better about it now! Wot's yer dog's name? Maybe I could get to know him!
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Message 78 - posted by philiom, Jan 31, 2006

Look John.....I'm doing this for science.....don't belittle it please.
Was that to the Vet or the dog my Janner Judy? Joking apart, you could well wind up chipped, the buttocks being a likley place of instalation. I do suggest you read about the 30s in Germany, you may get the feeling od 'Deja vu'. Then again in '1984' Big Brother keeps up the fear of the enemy to increase control on the people, ring any bells? The I.D. card is only a card, it's the purpose a Government use, or misuse, it that we should all worry about.
A chip in the buttocks seems a lot easier than having to remember to carry a card. All you'd need to do is stand near a card reader.The vet has already chipped our dog with no adverse effects.

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Message 80 - posted by philiom, Jan 31, 2006

Langholme.......I'm not really worried about chip insertion. It's just that I shall probably have to change my diet or chip retention could become a problem.;)
If you're worried about rear end insertion why not a barcode or NI number tatooed on the inner forearm? If JOP is worried about the numbers given to Gays Jews Roma and criminals, why was he so happy with his handwritten British ID card. We all need identification and the more detail linked to it the better.

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