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Church homophobia not about sex or the bible

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Message 81 - posted by LORRENMAX, Jan 12, 2006

John of Paddington,

You can't use logic with people who are obsessed with their deviant sex. It haunts them excessively with their preoccuption of having sex with their same gender. Homosexuality is contrary to nature and they know it but can't and will not admit it.
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Message 82 - posted by Alexander Rednaxela, Jan 12, 2006

Sorry... missed that was just adjusting my but plug.
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Message 83 - posted by highlandr12, Jan 12, 2006

John of Paddington,

You can't use logic with people who are obsessed with their deviant sex. It haunts them excessively with their preoccuption of having sex with their same gender. Homosexuality is contrary to nature and they know it but can't and will not admit it.

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How many gay people have you met? I can 100% guarantee that not all of them are sexually obsessed.

IMHO all humanity is contrary to nature. Darwinism makes the case that environment shapes form, however the human race breaks the rules. We alter our environment through technology to suit ourselves. Medicine affords us artificially expand our lifespan far beyond our "natural" years. Civilisation protects the physically weak and allows them to thrive whereas in the animal kingdom these physically deficient animals would be killed off. In addition we are now very close to being capable of manipulating our own genetic structure, which will be the final nail in the coffin of "Natural Man".

You just simply cannot apply nature to human beings, we are beyond and above it - the Bible tells us this very early on.

Genesis 1:26

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

If we were so called "natural" beings that would bode extremely ill for our Beethovens, our Steven Hawkings and Helen Kellers.

I for one am extremely relieved to be un-natural
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Message 84 - posted by Shaw, Jan 12, 2006

Just another plug for 'Illicit Sex and the God machine - Google it.
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Message 85 - posted by U2487692, Jan 12, 2006

The advert in the lifestyle section of the Mail magazine spelt it 'Butt' plug.
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Message 86 - posted by Bazza, Jan 12, 2006

This has become absolutly BORING! BORING!


LM and Jonboy! Amuse me! <whistle>
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Message 87 - posted by Alexander Rednaxela, Jan 13, 2006

This has become absolutly BORING! BORING!


LM and Jonboy! Amuse me! <whistle>

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Im having great fun, i mean i never thought these people actually existed. Now you can interact with them and there backward ways of thinking. Its better than going to the zoo.

I think i just wee'd with excitement.

I thought the internet was considred evil towards them ?
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Message 88 - posted by Bazza, Jan 13, 2006

When heckle and Jeckle get back from church, someone give us a call! <devil>
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Message 89 - posted by Alexander Rednaxela, Jan 13, 2006

The advert in the lifestyle section of the Mail magazine spelt it 'Butt' plug.

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Your correct, i did spot that after i had posted it, butt but it still made sense ;D
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Message 90 - posted by tyler_durden, Jan 14, 2006

I cannot imagine that the creator of the universe, should he/she exist, is remotely interested in what humans do with their genitals. Surely, he/she has more important things to worry about.
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Message 91 - posted by U2426416 - alt id 6, Jan 14, 2006

Yes, he/she or it must be worried sick about the behaviour of fundamentalist 'christians'.
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Message 92 - posted by Bazza, Jan 15, 2006

LM and Jonboy. We know you have personal issues to deal with, all you need to know! Is that we are here.
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Message 93 - posted by Macros, Jul 17, 2006

Hey guys - you can't use logic with people who are obsessed with their narrowminded beliefs.
So, Lorrenmax - homosexuality is contrary to nature, is it? It might interest you to know that homosexual behaviour has been documented in over 490 different species of animal, even in creatures as simple as the common fruit fly, where a genetic link to homosexuality has been demonstrated. My question to you is this: if God finds homosexual behaviour so abhorrent, why would he create animals which exhibit this behaviour?
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Message 94 - posted by U2279876, Jul 17, 2006

i think what's needed is a new religion for gays,they can then make up a fairytale to suit themselves,then everyone will have their own religion to claim as the true word of god/lord/jesus/insert own leader here. i'm still waiting for "the one" to return to earth.any idea what dates he/she/it might be arriving? as i want to get a front row ticket so i can hear the fairytales up close and personnel :)
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Message 95 - posted by Bazza, Jul 18, 2006

Whats the betting, he'll be wearing a frock or she'll be wearing a boiler suit! When "It" arrives...
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Message 96 - posted by johnlincoln, Oct 2, 2006

have just spent a happy half hour reading all this. slightly sad to come to its end.
very worrying to hear that such distorted views still exist.
love your neighbour!
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Message 97 - posted by 800lbGorilla, Oct 2, 2006

I think that it is necessary to draw a distinction between the Churches' attitude to sex and marriage as against their attitude toward homosexuality.

The "established" attitude that sex and related matters are not "quite nice" originated in the 6th Century as a result of a difference of opinion between the Eastern and Western arms of the Church over the meaning of the Fall set out in Genesis. Without going into all the detail the Eastern Church (very monastic in its views) held that the proper state for humans was celibacy and anything less was very much second class and intrinsically far from ideal. The Western Church held that the celibate and married states were equal. The East won due to political factors in the Roman Empire at the time so the received wisdom became that celibacy was the rule and anything else was inferior and to be looked down on as "not nice".

Nevertheless, the Church also took the view that if you couldn't be celibate then you should "fornicate" within marriage. The stipulation that sex belonged only within marriage predates Christianity in Judaism and other religions. The origins were probably to ensure that women were always provided for (necessary in the Patriarchal societies of the time), that men could be assured of their paternity of a womans child for inheritance purposes and to provide a stable environment for the upbringing of children.

The Christian prohibition on homosexuality also derives from the Judaic antipathy to it on the basis of the Law (asp. Leviticus).
Few people, including the clergy involved in this issue, for or against, seem to realise that the church's opposition to homosexuality and opposition to same-sex relationships are actually nothing to do with homosexual sex or what they interpret in the bible. It is part of their wider beliefs about sex and sexuality and their attitudes towards women.

The real reason is that homosexuality undermines the church's insistence that sexual relations are only permissible within holy wedlock,sanctified by the church, between a man and a woman, and only for the procreation of children, not for pleasure.

Same sex relationships based on equality and respect between two men or two women subverts their notion of female inferiority -and male superiority in a partnership and that any sexual partnership has to be between a dominant male and submissive female partner for procreation. Through history, the church has tried to keep family life and the ability to have children has to be only within the control of the church. It is a powerful control mechanism and it informs many of our current attitudes and policies e.g. stigma, prostitution, sex education, and women's pay, pensions and child support, that are based on notions of 'ownership of women and children by the father or husband.

I hope you will help people to understand how religious attitudes affect our lives, so that we can move on and help humanity progress away from superstition prejudice and cruelty

Google 'Illicit Sex and The God Machine'

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Message 98 - posted by John of Paddington, Oct 2, 2006

You know what they say 4x2, playing with yourself can send you blind.
Sorry... missed that was just adjusting my but plug.

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Message 99 - posted by John of Paddington, Oct 2, 2006

Love your neibour, only if your are both single and different sexes. Homosexual practice is a serious moral sin, just because we seem to have a Government, many of whos members seem to be involved in this practice, does not make it any more acceptable.
have just spent a happy half hour reading all this. slightly sad to come to its end.
very worrying to hear that such distorted views still exist.
love your neighbour!

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Message 100 - posted by BlackScorpion, Oct 2, 2006

Love your neibour, only if your are both single and different sexes. Homosexual practice is a serious moral sin, just because we seem to have a Government, many of whos members seem to be involved in this practice, does not make it any more acceptable.

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Looks like ANY sexual practices are a moral sin. In fact, isnt that the whole concept behind the "original sin" idea.

So none of this loving thy neighbour business - or even loving thyself - its time we all got into the monastic way of life and were celebate.

Soon put a stop to all this argument (well after 100years it would)
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