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Message 1 - posted by PeterSingle, Dec 2, 2005

I saw the Cotley hunt recently, still killing fox cubs for kicks.
What do we need to do next to get them to stop?
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Message 2 - posted by CornishOwl, Dec 2, 2005

Make a reasoned argument based on sound science, not ignorant dogma.
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Message 3 - posted by U2379384 - alt id 3, Dec 2, 2005

It always was killing animals for fun. Gradually the League are upping the surveillance and if necessary there will be some test prosecutions. Its anti-social medieval and as bad as smoking or drink driving. It will soon its its death throes.
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Message 4 - posted by U2379384 - alt id 3, Dec 2, 2005

It always was killing animals for fun. Gradually the League are upping the surveillance and if necessary there will be some test prosecutions. Its anti-social medieval and as bad as smoking or drink driving. It will soon end its death throes.
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Message 5 - posted by U2448401, Dec 2, 2005

Not sure which side CornishOwl is on. The dogma sticks to both extremes. I'm with Jannermaid. Killing animals for fun was never right. Foxes were never for the pot.Dressing up in all the regalia simply highlit that it was a hierarchical social event with a bunch of aristos and rich farmers mixed in with their heavily patronised fawning hunt staff yokels and social aspirants out from the bland suburbs. It was cultural and part of the fabric of the countryside but as embarrassing and unjustifiable as a bunch of bigoted Orangemen on one of their smug and provacative marches.
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Message 6 - posted by U2487692, Dec 2, 2005

There's a lot of it about here in north Devon and you get balled out fot opposing hunting but I agree it is killing animals for fun and we counrty folk young as well as old should find other entertainment.I often wonder whether lots of my mates from farms have an odd paradox of combined emotions which on the one hand operate around caring for livestock and on the other hand treat animal lives of all kinds as cheap and revel in slaughter whether foxes rabbits game birds or deer.
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Message 7 - posted by TheChaosengine100, Dec 2, 2005

Banning fox hunting has nothing to do with animal welfare at all, not in my opinion anyway. it is all about class, or more to the point, the perception of class.
I read an article in a shooting magazine that stated ( I have no proof before you get excited), since the ban was implemented in Scotland, whereas 1 in 10 foxes were caught by hounds. This has now risen to 9 out of 10 being shot, so my conclusion is, the ban is actually worse for the fox !
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Message 8 - posted by crans7, Dec 2, 2005

Not sure which side CornishOwl is on. The dogma sticks to both extremes. I'm with Jannermaid. Killing animals for fun was never right. Foxes were never for the pot.Dressing up in all the regalia simply highlit that it was a hierarchical social event with a bunch of aristos and rich farmers mixed in with their heavily patronised fawning hunt staff yokels and social aspirants out from the bland suburbs. It was cultural and part of the fabric of the countryside but as embarrassing and unjustifiable as a bunch of bigoted Orangemen on one of their smug and provacative marches.

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So would that be a high horse you're on then ??
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Message 9 - posted by U2379384 - alt id 3, Dec 3, 2005

Banning fox hunting wasn't and never pretended to be to save foxes,rather because it was cruel to scase them up hill and down dale and because killing animals for fun is morally reprehensible. The fact that the upper classes got off on it is incidental.
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Message 10 - posted by U2487692, Dec 3, 2005

Don't cross hunting folk or they'll turn nastier.I've been to meets to see what goes on. They are not open to rational debate.
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Message 11 - posted by devon_matt, Dec 5, 2005

Make a reasoned argument based on sound science, not ignorant dogma.

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So would you let a minority of people who feel drink-driving is acceptable get away with it just because they feel it isn't based on sound science?

How sound do you want it? You send a pack of hounds after a fox or a deer and they eventually rip it to shreds alive. And don't give me arguments that there is more cruelty that we should address first (there is), that it is a good form of pest control (debatable) or even that it is a more humane way of killing then say shooting (learn how to shoot properly!). They have nothing to do with the fact that killing a fox or a deer in this way mainly for the pleasure of a handful of people is outdated and rightfully (as determined by a majority of this country) banned.

There is even a good alternative (the draghunt), so this really is a no-brainer.
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Message 12 - posted by JohnfromPaddington, Dec 6, 2005

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Message 13 - posted by JohnfromPaddington, Dec 6, 2005

Make a reasoned argument based on sound science, not ignorant dogma.


So would you let a minority of people who feel drink-driving is acceptable get away with it just because they feel it isn't based on sound science?

How sound do you want it? You send a pack of hounds after a fox or a deer and they eventually rip it to shreds alive. And don't give me arguments that there is more cruelty that we should address first (there is), that it is a good form of pest control (debatable) or even that it is a more humane way of killing then say shooting (learn how to shoot properly!). They have nothing to do with the fact that killing a fox or a deer in this way mainly for the pleasure of a handful of people is outdated and rightfully (as determined by a majority of this country) banned.

There is even a good alternative (the draghunt), so this really is a no-brainer.

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I agree! I am sure many would volenteer to provide the dogs with a chase, it could be organised as a proper sport, with perhaps a small group of runners trying to out run the hunt, the winner bieng the the runner who outwits the dogs the longest, or reaches a certain goal. No one could object to this, and would surly be as challanging and fun to the hunt as would any fox hunt.

Has there really been a problem with an increase in the fox or deer population scince the hunting ban? Funny how the pro hunt lobby hasnt complained that all the foxes and deers now roaming are causing problems!!!
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Message 14 - posted by JohnfromPaddington, Dec 6, 2005

Banning fox hunting has nothing to do with animal welfare at all, not in my opinion anyway. it is all about class, or more to the point, the perception of class.
I read an article in a shooting magazine that stated ( I have no proof before you get excited), since the ban was implemented in Scotland, whereas 1 in 10 foxes were caught by hounds. This has now risen to 9 out of 10 being shot, so my conclusion is, the ban is actually worse for the fox !

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Worse for the fox? They are now more humaimly killed. And if their population really needs controlling, it shows hunting with dogs is a pointless waste of time, and shooting is far more effective I really think most disagree with the methods of dog hunting, rather than the 'class' (Or lack of!) of thouse hunting!

Perhaps if the fox is overzelously bieng shot, it requres regulation to a certain extent.
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Message 15 - posted by JohnfromPaddington, Dec 6, 2005

Don't cross hunting folk or they'll turn nastier.I've been to meets to see what goes on. They are not open to rational debate.

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Well said, bunch of violent thugs.
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Message 16 - posted by John of Paddington, Dec 6, 2005

Well said my little flower of Jannerburg. The law was never meant to help foxes, it was passed to help New Labour. You got the law you screamed for without any of you reading it first. You would imagine that a Government stuffed full of legal types could put a good law together properly. Well maybe they can and didn't want to on this occasion, knowing most of their supporters are only bright enough to shout slogans, not actualy read them.
Banning fox hunting wasn't and never pretended to be to save foxes,rather because it was cruel to scase them up hill and down dale and because killing animals for fun is morally reprehensible. The fact that the upper classes got off on it is incidental.

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Message 17 - posted by JohnfromPaddington, Dec 6, 2005

Anouther nonsence message from John OF, sorry John but what on earth are you on about?
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Message 18 - posted by Yodell, Dec 6, 2005

How's yours ?
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Message 19 - posted by Yodell, Dec 6, 2005

Not sure which side CornishOwl is on. The dogma sticks to both extremes. I'm with Jannermaid. Killing animals for fun was never right. Foxes were never for the pot.Dressing up in all the regalia simply highlit that it was a hierarchical social event with a bunch of aristos and rich farmers mixed in with their heavily patronised fawning hunt staff yokels and social aspirants out from the bland suburbs. It was cultural and part of the fabric of the countryside but as embarrassing and unjustifiable as a bunch of bigoted Orangemen on one of their smug and provacative marches.

So would that be a high horse you're on then ??

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Neigh.
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Message 20 - posted by bepo, Dec 6, 2005

It always was killing animals for fun. Gradually the League are upping the surveillance and if necessary there will be some test prosecutions. Its anti-social medieval and as bad as smoking or drink driving. It will soon its its death throes.

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My local golf course has foxes in residence and the fact is they've been there for years, even before the parkland was converted into a golfcourse; and the answer is NO, blokes on horses don't pronk around hunting them, but some other ' plonkers ' do . . !

A couple of years ago a ' plonker ' contacted the fire-brigade because he'd pushed his terrier down a fox-hole and it had got stuck so they attended the incident and bug out the 'effin thing ! !

So, my question is are all fox hunters subject to prosecution for hunting and killing foxes, whether on horse-back or not ?

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