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Driving in Leeds

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Message 1 - posted by Alibadger26, Nov 7, 2005

Is it just me that realises the speed limit along the A64 has a 40 mph speed limit in both lanes? I travel along the A64 on daily basis and I am amazed at the number of drivers who think the right hand lane is for generally intimidating drivers who need to be in it to turn right or overtaking at 50-60mph
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Message 2 - posted by charmOffensive, Nov 7, 2005

don't be sitting in it like a numpty holding everyone up then!

Regardless of speed limits, people will always want to go faster than you, may I suggest that you return to the outside lane whenever you are not overtaking, as it dictates in the highway code when travelling along a dual carriageway.

If you try and enforce rules on others, they will force them on you. Just follow the rules yourself, then if other people want to go faster than you, let them, it's their prerogative
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Message 3 - posted by Chris, Nov 7, 2005

Is it just me that realises the speed limit along the A64 has a 40 mph speed limit in both lanes? I travel along the A64 on daily basis and I am amazed at the number of drivers who think the right hand lane is for generally intimidating drivers who need to be in it to turn right or overtaking at 50-60mph

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Why not just let them overtake you at that speed and if they get caught it's tough luck.

What annoys me more than speeding drivers are erratic drivers and ones that hog the outside lane when they don't need to. This is especially extremely common on the motorways in and around Leeds. Honestly, if you drive on hte M1 southbound at about 8:30 - 9:00 on a morning, you wouldn't believe the amount of Jaguar/BMW/Mercedes drivers who hog the outside lane even when the other two lanes are totally empty!

This is more annoying to me than drivers who exceed the speed limit. Speed limits aren't fair in my opinion but there's no really viable alternative. In some 40 zones you could easily go 60mph and be in total control of the vehicle. Then again some drivers wouldn't be. On motorways I think the limit should be 90mph but it should be enforced more strictly to prevent more drivers thinking they can get away with doing 110/120mph. 70mph really is too slow and motorways are the roads where the least amount of high-speed collisions happen - thats a fact.

To summarise - increase the speed limit on motorways and out-of town dual carriageways but with stricter enforcement of it; and decrease speed limits in cities, especially around schools and pedestrianised areas.
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Message 4 - posted by GingerGreen, Nov 8, 2005

He's already stated that he's in the right hand lane to overtake or to turn right.

True fast lane hoggers are a menace; they create a ripple effect extending for hundreds of metres behind.

My favourite menace are the prats who turn right from the left hand lane of a roundabout - and Leeds has many large ones. You're in the fast lane, going straight ahead; you can see the Clio/Metro slightly ahead and to your left. You both weave around the roundabout, and hey presto she cuts directly across your path! Happens to me at least 4 times per year. Experience makes me wise, I can almost tell when it's about to happen, and so far I've had these free emergency stop tests without a hit.


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Message 5 - posted by rodilite, Nov 8, 2005

There are many examples I could give of bad driving in and around Leeds, but I will give the one that irks me the most.

When driving on a motorway, why does an HGV driver who is going approximately 0.1mph faster than the HGV in front of him/her pull out to overtake. It can take a good mile or so (or even more) before the overtaking manouvre is completed. Meanwhile, only the outside lane is available to all other drivers, causing a huge bottleneck behind.

In my opinion, where a motorway has 3 lanes (as opposed to 4 lanes on some stretches) then all vehicles over 7.5t should remain in the "slow" lane and leave those vehicles with sufficient accelerating ability to overtake in the middle and fast lane.
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Message 6 - posted by GingerGreen, Nov 8, 2005

If I was an HGV driver I'd do it to annoy the pesky car drivers behind me, of course I would.

If I was sad enough to tow a caravan I'd enjoy the queue of pesky cars behind me.

I agree 100% - you can see the massive disruption such an event causes, if you are about a mile behind, on a clear day on a hilly stretch such as near Sheffield.



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Message 7 - posted by Yodell, Nov 8, 2005

Listen all you bad drivers (except those not directly mentioned by me)

Charmoffensive: I assume you mean the inside lane when not overtaking, not the outside lane.

GingerGreen: I suggest you remain in the left hand lane if going straight ahead at a roundabout as wrong as she is in being in the left is she's turning right.

Lodilite: There is no 'slow' lane, that is a sad misconception. All lanes are 70 mph speed limit with the outside lane being for overtaking.

I thank you for your recognition of my imput.
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Message 8 - posted by GingerGreen, Nov 8, 2005

" suggest you remain in the left hand lane if going straight ahead at a roundabout as wrong as she is in being in the left is she's turning right."

I think I know what you mean despite the above English. In fact when you intend to leave at the right hand or final exit, you should be in the RIGHT lane. If taking an intermediate exit, choose the appropriate lane. Since all the traffic going straight ahead uses both lanes, yet only the odd idiot uses the left hand lane to turn right, you can see that my actions are correct. I can use either lane - but she cannot use the left lane to turn right.



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Message 9 - posted by GingerGreen, Nov 8, 2005

On a 3 lane highway you can approach in either lane; on a 2 lane highway you may approch in the right hand lane if the left lane is blocked. I was actually thinking of a 3 lane approach such as Lawnswood, but most lanes are blocked at busy times in Leeds.


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Message 10 - posted by charmOffensive, Nov 8, 2005

yeah, I meant the left hand lane, doh
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Message 11 - posted by Alibadger26, Nov 9, 2005

Thanks for that. I HAVE to get in the right hand lane to turn right into seacroft hospital form the A64. I don't make a habit of casually 'sitting' in the right lane purely for o irritate or annoy other drivers. Being flashed at and tailgated for DARING to turn right is annoying and intimidating.
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Message 12 - posted by charmOffensive, Nov 9, 2005

it doesn't take 2 miles to change lanes though does it? Maybe you should get into the right hand lane at the right time, when you need to, rather than just blocking up traffic 2 miles before you reach the junction
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Message 13 - posted by GingerGreen, Nov 9, 2005

Don't be so bloody stupid! He never said 2 miles.
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Message 14 - posted by Alibadger26, Nov 9, 2005

CharmOffensive: Did I state anywhere that I pull over 2 miles before I need to turn right? I don't WANT to sit in the right hand lane any longer than necessary if there are people in it who think they own the road. I was a witness to a very nasty accident recently due to the fault of someone who thought it was acceptable to tear up the right hand lane at 20mph faster that everyone else. The traffic police who attended the incident pointed out to the driver that was generally driving like a numpty (and, who i might add, was using his mobile phone at the time), that the right hand lane is not used in the same way as it would be on a motorway and if the police ever catch anyone speeding/tailgating or using the right hand lane purely for overtaking, would be stopped and dealt with in line with dangerous driving laws. I agree that the speed limit generally is too slow on the A64 for the most part but it's set for a reason. If I had have been seconds ahead of where I actually was it would have been myself (7 and a half months pregnant) and my 2 year old child involved.
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Message 15 - posted by Alibadger26, Nov 9, 2005

CharmOffensive: Did I state anywhere that I pull over 2 miles before I need to turn right? I don't WANT to sit in the right hand lane any longer than necessary if there are people in it who think they own the road. I was a witness to a very nasty accident recently due to the fault of someone who thought it was acceptable to tear up the right hand lane at 20mph faster that everyone else. The traffic police who attended the incident pointed out to the driver that was generally driving like a numpty (and, who i might add, was using his mobile phone at the time), that the right hand lane is not used in the same way as it would be on a motorway and if the police ever catch anyone speeding/tailgating or using the right hand lane purely for overtaking, would be stopped and dealt with in line with dangerous driving laws. I agree that the speed limit generally is too slow on the A64 for the most part but it's set for a reason. If I had have been seconds ahead of where I actually was it would have been myself (7 and a half months pregnant) and my 2 year old child involved in that accident.
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Message 16 - posted by charmOffensive, Nov 9, 2005

well, if the police say so then it must be right!
:-/

To me it just sounds as if you get in the right hand lane far too soon before you should do. I don't get people doing anything like that to me, maybe it's the way you are driving.
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Message 17 - posted by Alibadger26, Nov 9, 2005

CharmOffensive:Allow me to put you out of your misery. I travel FROM the city centre to Seacroft Hospital. In order to get to seacroft hospital I need to to turn right. I get into the right hand lane just as i get past the cemetary beyond Adsa Killingbeck. Is that near enough! I am not saying that I am a perfect driver but I have the safety of my family to consider.I have never been involved in accident in the 11 years I have been driving. If accidents are going to happen they are going to happen regardless as to whose fault it is but there is such a thing as minimising risk.
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Message 18 - posted by charmoffensive, Nov 9, 2005

do you have a 'baby on board' sticker?

all I'm saying is that there are loads of irate motorists on the road and you should be aware of this having driven exactly the same amount of years as me.Drivers tend to react when they've been wronged in some way.

Still, having a family should never be an excuse for poor driving.
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Message 19 - posted by Chris, Nov 9, 2005

He's already stated that he's in the right hand lane to overtake or to turn right.

True fast lane hoggers are a menace; they create a ripple effect extending for hundreds of metres behind.

My favourite menace are the prats who turn right from the left hand lane of a roundabout - and Leeds has many large ones. You're in the fast lane, going straight ahead; you can see the Clio/Metro slightly ahead and to your left. You both weave around the roundabout, and hey presto she cuts directly across your path! Happens to me at least 4 times per year. Experience makes me wise, I can almost tell when it's about to happen, and so far I've had these free emergency stop tests without a hit.



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That happened to me today! First time it has ever happened to me. It's weird that it happened only a day or two after I read your post about the exact same thing happening.
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Message 20 - posted by Alibadger26, Nov 10, 2005

CharmOffensive: Why are you made the assumption my driving is 'bad'. I haven't made a judgement on the standard of YOUR driving.I do have a baby on board sticker but they actually serve the purpose of being used to identify to the emergency services if there is a baby in the car because there are occaisons when tiny infants have been thrown some distance from cars in high impact accidents. I'm not saying I should be treated any differently because I have kids, drivers GENERALLY should be more aware and considerate to other road users. It is my choice to drive and I don't see why I should be forced to give that up because of pressure of other drivers.
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