Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html en-gb 30 Fri 29 Aug 2014 00:45:33 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html cynicalHighlander http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=99#comment366 365. Fitzmark2"And do you mean by "parachute" that system by which MPs get a golden handshake"No the UK economy hasn't hit the bottom yet by a long way so we either float down gently or go freefall, ouch. Brown's economics have worked on borrowing more on credit and showing this as growth by putting it on the income side of the books great for polictical points as the accounts are not independently audited and dont forget the printing presses have been going good style.Brown's Banking Losses Not in 2009 Accounts Thu 29 Apr 2010 17:18:48 GMT+1 Big Jim http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=99#comment365 365. Fitzmark2"You can blame Gordon Brown for many things but not for the economic catastrophe that has resulted from thirteen years"of his stewardship? Thu 29 Apr 2010 17:05:14 GMT+1 Fitzmark2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=99#comment364 Re 364You can blame Gordon Brown for many things but not for the economic catastrophe that has resulted from thirteen years of devolution in Wales. Recent reports by respected institutions have shown that Wales as a region is way down the list of socio/economic well being in Britain. And that is down to years of mismangement by the shysters in Cardiff Bay. And do you mean by "parachute" that system by which MPs get a golden handshake when for whatever reason they leave Parliament? Now there's around three million in Wales so that would mean alot of dosh being spent. Far beyond the capability even of the spin doctors of Welsh nationalism to justify I would have thought. Thu 29 Apr 2010 15:48:28 GMT+1 cynicalHighlander http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=98#comment363 363. Fitzmark2"Hey Jim, if that were to happen you'd be able to attach "Lemmings" to Plaid Cymru's name. It would be an appropriate addition as they lead the people of Wales over the cliff to economic disaster."Broon's already done that and there are more than enough repeats on the Beeb invest in a parachute it will soften the impending crash. Wed 28 Apr 2010 23:15:55 GMT+1 Fitzmark2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=98#comment362 Re.358 Big Jim"So why not shed the tier above?"Hey Jim, if that were to happen you'd be able to attach "Lemmings" to Plaid Cymru's name. It would be an appropriate addition as they lead the people of Wales over the cliff to economic disaster. Wed 28 Apr 2010 22:00:01 GMT+1 John Henry http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=98#comment361 Jim, the only Imperial I know is a mint, are they still made, the we is a unionist we. Wed 28 Apr 2010 21:30:04 GMT+1 FoDafydd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=98#comment360 Re 360Ah, indeed, and not for the first time! He also seems very keen on jumping into bed with the Lib Dems now. All very royal behaviour.And, hilarity upon hilarity, he now seems to regard Tory and Lib Dem AM's as intellectual and political giants.Never a dull moment. But, then again, not a moment's consistency. Wed 28 Apr 2010 21:24:07 GMT+1 Big Jim http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=97#comment359 359. Stonemason"The tier you refer to is our prefered government, "According to you, maybe. Di I detect a "Imperial" plural? Wed 28 Apr 2010 20:13:19 GMT+1 John Henry http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=97#comment358 #358,The tier you refer to is our prefered government, regional governance by 2nd division politicians at the Black Lagoon is .............. pathetic in the extreme, maybe not the Lib Dems and Conservative members, with the yellow - blue politicians we have an opposition to the sunderers in waiting. Wed 28 Apr 2010 17:42:31 GMT+1 Big Jim http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=97#comment357 357. Fitzmark2"Assembly in Cardiff Bay is an unnecessary, extra tier of government ..."So why not shed the tier above? Wed 28 Apr 2010 09:43:42 GMT+1 Fitzmark2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=97#comment356 Re 356 Well Fo I’ve said on several occasions that I do not have the god like qualities of nationalists, but I do have sufficient intelligence to see that the Assembly in Cardiff Bay is an unnecessary, extra tier of government and that those who support it are at best ragged trousered philanthropists, at worst undemocratic nationalists intent on feathering their own nests.Re 355To be honest with you CynicalHighlander, I didn’t even click on the link you provided. The consensus on the question of the way the national wealth is awarded to the regions of Britain is that the Barnett Formula is in need of reform. It is also the case that the present distribution to the regions of the national wealth favours Scotland and Wales. Wed 28 Apr 2010 07:03:01 GMT+1 FoDafydd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=96#comment355 Re 355I've tried to say that Fitz and his tiny cabal of rather unintelligent reactionary right wing fellow posters aren't worth the bother - you don't seem to have quite grasped this yet!The problem is that he, and they, will not engage in intelligent debate -to be fair, I know it's beyond them - so, please, don't waste your time on them. Engage with those who are able to participate. We live in very interesting times, and there are interesting things to be discussed - new scenarios, new arguments, new possibilities. Some are just not interested, and if they're left behind, that's their problem. Wed 28 Apr 2010 00:44:40 GMT+1 cynicalHighlander http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=96#comment354 354. Fitzmark2"I prefer the government figures relating to the Barnett Formula."HM Treasury! are government figures or is it that they show your numbers as mince well seasoned to hide the bits that are off. Tue 27 Apr 2010 20:28:41 GMT+1 Fitzmark2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=96#comment353 I prefer the government figures relating to the Barnett Formula. There is a wealth of information in the recent reports into the disproportion help the Scots get from the way the national wealth is distributed to the regions of Great Britain. Well worth a read. Tue 27 Apr 2010 19:49:00 GMT+1 Fitzmark2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=95#comment352 RE 347"338, 339, 340The Sad Seven have returned."You are not very good at mathematics are you Mr Identity changer. Not surprising really going by the paucity of intelligence in your childish posts. Tue 27 Apr 2010 19:43:40 GMT+1 cynicalHighlander http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=95#comment351 346. Fitzmark2"Just type in to a search engine Barnett Formula for a breakdown of the regional figures for England."Why not have a look in Country and Regional Analysis (CRA) A bit more up to date than your funny numbers. Tue 27 Apr 2010 16:02:38 GMT+1 CA Jones http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=95#comment350 Re: 343'...I noticed that Jeremy Paxman spoke of Plaid and Independence in the same breath, whilst the Plaid economic spokesperson attempted to make little of its aspirations, well done J.P..'Maverick Tory blogger, & tweeter, Guido Fawkes noted whilst watching last night's 'Newsnight':"Some Welsh bloke has just given Paxo a bitch slapping and told him to do his homework. Marvellous."Judge for yourselves - it's about 35 mins 45 secs in:http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00s7s90/b00s7s87/Newsnight_26_04_2010/ Tue 27 Apr 2010 12:34:22 GMT+1 Big Jim http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=95#comment349 347. WelshKnot"Common-sense will prevail, the extremists will be exposed for what they are and the people of Wales and Scotland will get a fair deal. "Any idea when this awaited dawn might come?The only problem with Common Sense is it's rarity. (apologies to Ben Franklin)"Hence it is, that we every Day find Men in Conversation contending warmly on some Point in Politicks, which, altho' it may nearly concern them both, neither of them understand any more than they do each other."-- Ben Franklin 1729 Tue 27 Apr 2010 11:28:34 GMT+1 CA Jones http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=94#comment348 This post has been Removed Tue 27 Apr 2010 09:14:25 GMT+1 John Henry http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=94#comment347 Boo hoo Foo, the future seems to be moving towards a lighter shade of blue, it's true, not the green of sundering Plaid (yesterday's party), so I am happy. Tue 27 Apr 2010 08:29:47 GMT+1 Daviddwr http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=94#comment346 338, 339, 340The Sad Seven have returned. More bitter and less informed than ever. I wonder who they were canvassing for all day? I cannot be bothered talking to brick walls, so I take my leave, to return to the land of the sane majority. To all from Scotland, many thanks for refreshing the blog. Common-sense will prevail, the extremists will be exposed for what they are and the people of Wales and Scotland will get a fair deal. Tue 27 Apr 2010 08:01:55 GMT+1 Fitzmark2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=94#comment345 Re 333 CynicalHighlander, don't take in too much salt it increases blood pressure and the Scots' diet leaves much to be desired as it is.Just type in to a search engine Barnett Formula for a breakdown of the regional figures for England. Tue 27 Apr 2010 04:53:35 GMT+1 FoDafydd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=93#comment344 Re 343Sorry Stonemason, but you betray your anti-democratic views far too often. And you've done so again tonight. Still, I suppose I should be gentle with you; you've been spouting for weeks how the toff Cameron is going to sweep the board, but another rich kid seems to have spoilt the party! Rather less 'the future's blue' from you these days!Re 344I'm not going to bother saying anything more than that I'm bored with your one and only point, which you make every single time on here. I'm also bored with the same useless url's. I'm surprised you don't bore yourself. Mon 26 Apr 2010 23:20:20 GMT+1 Jack_Wilkinson http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=93#comment343 No words of mine. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/elections/local_council/08/html/pp.stm Mon 26 Apr 2010 22:46:57 GMT+1 John Henry http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=93#comment342 I just listened to the Lib Dem Party Political Broadcast, excellent opportunity for disgruntled Plaid supporters, there is much to commend in its proposals.My only distaste Fo is for the Nationalists, your Plaid in particular, much like the wreckers of Jamaica Inn (Daphne du Maurier 1936).The Black Swan that brought about the banking crisis will probably bring about the demise of Plaid, other factors as well, as the politicians realise that there is no mileage co-operating with Separatists, I noticed that Jeremy Paxman spoke of Plaid and Independence in the same breath, whilst the Plaid economic spokesperson attempted to make little of its aspirations, well done J.P.. Mon 26 Apr 2010 22:45:10 GMT+1 Jack_Wilkinson http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=92#comment341 This post has been Removed Mon 26 Apr 2010 22:34:43 GMT+1 FoDafydd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=92#comment340 Re 339"no mention in the Newspapers, no participation in the debates"Ah, we can always depend on our friend Stonemason not to make any secret of his distaste for democracy if it helps retain the hegemony of his little world. Mon 26 Apr 2010 22:03:37 GMT+1 Jack_Wilkinson http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=92#comment339 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_east/7354446.stmRe 332. For the attention of WelshKnot, who knows absolutely zilch about English Monmouthshire, even BBC Wales? Acknowledges the uniqueness of this border county, with its motto of...Usque Fidelis' or Faithful to both.BBC Wales, said this-It is, perhaps, a bit of a cliche to describe this rural county as more English than Welsh. Nevertheless, according to the Labour Force Survey, only just over half of Monmouthshire's population consider themselves Welsh. The latest census information also shows the area has the lowest number of Welsh speakers. Mon 26 Apr 2010 21:58:05 GMT+1 John Henry http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=92#comment338 I see the "Welsh Knut" is back, still trying to hold back the tide of progress.Down 5% or 6% in the polls, Plaid that is, no mention in the Newspapers, no participation in the debates, reality has returned to the valleys of Wales; political meltdown is looming for the Welsh extremists of Plaid. Mon 26 Apr 2010 21:20:59 GMT+1 Fitzmark2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=91#comment337 Re332I knew it, you are that nasty little beggar who had my responses to your chidish reply to the post when I made a couple of spelling mistakes, bounced back to me. And for your information I played in the same team as your so called Welsh heroes and they were never as nasty as you Welsh nationalists.Oldnat Re 337I will accept that my figures are a couple of years old, but the thrust of my argument with Auld Bob are not lies but factual. Mon 26 Apr 2010 20:33:00 GMT+1 oldnat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=91#comment336 326. Fitzmark2"Barnett Formula"Those figures are remarkably low. Which year are you quoting?The 2007 per capita data was (for attributable expenditure)Northern Ireland £9,385 Scotland £8,623Wales £8,139England £7,121 Mon 26 Apr 2010 16:57:03 GMT+1 Daviddwr http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=91#comment335 The Fitz is having a fit... Mon 26 Apr 2010 16:43:24 GMT+1 Fitzmark2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=91#comment334 Re 330And I forgot to add FoDafydd (whatever that name means)that I have never said that I'm a unionist. I am a common or garden English speaking Brit, and I imbided my language and culture with my mother's milk, so to speak.Have a good evening, I'm away to do abit of gardening. Mon 26 Apr 2010 16:38:42 GMT+1 Fitzmark2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=90#comment333 What ever a nationalist of your ilk FoDafydd says I am, I am not. How does that piece of "shoddy thinking" grab you. When you put a coherent thought together let me know and I'll try really hard to make you understand my position. Mon 26 Apr 2010 16:29:05 GMT+1 cynicalHighlander http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=90#comment332 326. Fitzmark2Links to your figures are required for verification otherwise one takes them with a pinch of salt, when did England become 1 region I understand its made up of numerous regions. Mon 26 Apr 2010 16:12:29 GMT+1 Daviddwr http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=90#comment331 328I was Returnee - as explained in a previous blog. Sorry, you are gloriously, hilariously and wonderfully wrong about Monmouth’s status. I believe that the Pontypool front row did not change its allegiance in 1972! 80% of the population of Wales supports devolution. The Sad Seven tars everybody who has any degree for Wales, Welsh and Welsh culture as ‘Nats’ (sorry, NATS) and the rest of Wales carries on supporting devolution. Mon 26 Apr 2010 16:09:42 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=89#comment330 #322. At 2:13pm on 26 Apr 2010, Fitzmark2 wrote:"Well Auld Bob I can't really answer that question"I can tell you the answer - they have preached a mantra to Scots people, (I'm not speaking about English people here but about Unionists). This mantra went, "You're too small, You're too poor, Your too bloody stupid". They also, by law, stopped the Scots wearing either Highland dress or even Tartan, They punished Scots for speaking either of their own languages and they cleared, not just the Highlands, but the whole country of many of their people. I was belted with the Tawse every single lesson right through my schooldays for using my Lowland Scots language in class. Believe it or not but this proscription of our language did not stop until the 1990s. I still used my own language to upset them then came first or second in every English test I sat.Here is a little Scottish history for you. In Scotland's Lowland farms the workers never had a home. Single men lived in a common building called, "A Bothy", single women, (Kitchies), were housed in the farmhouse. Married couples got a , "Pluckie's Raw", (Ploughman's Row), hovel. This accomodation went with the job. Once every year they had, "a Feeing Market", and every worker packed their, "Pluckie's Kist", (Plowman's Chest), and sat on this at the market. If they were lucky they got Fee'd back on. If not they were out of a job and out of a home. Then the law changed. They brought in the, "Vagrancy Acts", and arrested anyone, "With no visible means of Support". These ended up either in the Poorhouse, Workhouse or were Transported to the Colonies as convicts. Would you believe that law was only repealed in the 1990s? So it had little to do with the English as many of these landlords and farmowners were Scots. What they all had in common was they were members of the Establishment. The BBC and the main political parties are, together with the police, law and armed forces - The Establishment.So when you say, "I could add my two penneth worth, for what its worth, and say possibly its because people within the BBC hierarchy are still very fond of the term British and like me would not like to see Scotland cut its link with England" you have hit a large nail on the head. As to Being British, Scotland, Wales, N'Ireland and England cannot stop being part of Britain, Neither can they stop being part of the United Kingdom as they still all have the same monarch. All that will change, and it will change, is the four home countries will stop having a joint parliament and run their own affairs. It will then be up to the respective parliaments to negotiate how well or badly they co-operate together. It will though be free choice - not forced upon us all. Mon 26 Apr 2010 15:43:40 GMT+1 FoDafydd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=89#comment329 Re 322So there we are, a further example of shoddy thinking. Fitz says Scotland shouldn't split from England, as he indeed goes on, incessantly, that Wales should not split from England - absolute proof therefore that it isn't Britain, it isn't Britishness he cares about, it's about being attached politically and culturally to England. In other words he gives priority to England, and the rest of us should behave in a way which he believes is best for England.So his claim that he is an unionist is bogus. Mon 26 Apr 2010 15:37:54 GMT+1 Big Jim http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=89#comment328 299. Bryn_Teilo"We can now clearly see what a sham of a democracy there is in the UK. Its a joke. "A bad joke. Mon 26 Apr 2010 15:32:07 GMT+1 Fitzmark2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=89#comment327 Re 321'The once English county of Monmouthshire' makes just as much sense as the 'once English region of France'. I'm not even going to address that stupid comparison. Monmouthshire was a legally defined English county prior to 1972. And I have a strong feeling that you have passed this way before under a different soubriquet. Am I right, or am I right?'An undemocratic and noisy bunch of Welsh nationalists' refers to the 80% of the Welsh electorate who support devolution." The spin from nationalists takes some beating, but that must surely be the spin of the year. 80% of the population of Wales are Welsh nationalists. Well I never. Mon 26 Apr 2010 15:24:40 GMT+1 Big Jim http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=88#comment326 271. cynicalHighlanderAnd thanks from me too! Clever stuff! Other stuff here;-) Mon 26 Apr 2010 15:16:07 GMT+1 Fitzmark2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=88#comment325 Re 323You can spin it and spin as much as you like, and I'd wish you would stop using that term "lies", to suggest that an alternative argument to the spin nationalists constantly put out is in fact a lie. You Scottish nationalists on this blog are the most arrogant, patronising and pompous people I have ever had the misfortune to come across. The Barnett Formula, and I didn't use the term UK, I said Britain, apportions money to the regions based upon population figures, development needs and other criteria.Since devolution the way the monies were originally proportioned has led to worrying anomalies. And one of those anomalies is that Scotland gets a disproportionate amount of support, and that is factual. Scotland gets per person £5271 in support. Wales gets per person £5052 in support England gets per person £4283 in supportThose figures are not lies they are factual. And I don’t need any lessons from you on the history of these islands, and particularly on questions of Monmouthshire’s legal identity prior to 1972. And like that other pompous character Browndov if you think that pushing through fundamental changes to constitutions on flimsy winning margins and turnouts of a couple of points over 50% then you are beyond the pale of democratic accountability. Mon 26 Apr 2010 15:13:22 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=88#comment324 #321. At 2:00pm on 26 Apr 2010, WelshKnot wrote:Re the Fitz remarks -'The once English county of Monmouthshire' makes just as much sense as the 'once English region of France'. I make it a rule for myself to NOT reply to things I don't understand, (I do though, make sure I read up on any such thing). That does not mean I don't make mistakes but at least I try not to.'An undemocratic and noisy bunch of Welsh nationalists' refers to the 80% of the Welsh electorate who support devolution.Indeed I did refer to ideas of democracy. I have been quite surprised just how many people are prepared to just chant a mantra like the Credo.You know the kind of thing - "I believe in ******** and, although I don't understand it, if Dave/Gordon/Nick or whoever says so it's all right by me". Worse still it is these kind who always attempt to tell people who do know they are wrong. Mon 26 Apr 2010 14:57:33 GMT+1 clachangowk http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=88#comment323 A late thought on the "Prime Ministerial" debates:Assume there is a balanced Parliament - very likely. Assume Clegg is not prepared to work with either Brown or Cameron - very likely.But assume Clegg says he could work with Milliband or Johnson if Cable has Treasury - anything is possible these days. So Queen is advised to invite Johnson or Milliband to form a Government and become Prime Minister.Question - where did "Prime Ministerial" debates fit in this. Mon 26 Apr 2010 14:25:17 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=87#comment322 #318. At 1:25pm on 26 Apr 2010, Fitzmark2 wrote:1 - "Every taxpayer in Britain contributes to the national pot, which is then apportioned via the Barnett Formula to the regions".Sorry to tell you this - You are wrong.First - While everyone does contribute to th UK coffers there are other incomes from other than individual people.Second - The UK is not,"A" country and thus it cannot have regions of, "A" country.Third - England is not subject to the Barnett Formula and thus has an uncapped and diverse allocation of funds.2 - People living in England, and who are now, post devolution, beginning to identify in this fracturing British State with the notion of Englishness, represent the greater proportion of the population of Britain.First - They do indeed make up the largest portion of the population of The United Kingdom. However, as well as contributing most in total they do not necessarily contribute most on a per capita basis. Strawman point.Second - As they make up the largest proportion of the UK population they also require the largest proportion of funds spent on them. Then there is the difference between largest sum spent upon the number of the population and the per capita sum spent upon them. "It follows that we, the English tax payers disproportionately contribute to the Barnett Formula.Strawman point Remember the per capita income and output differs from the largest number.Wrong.3 - It is therfore definitely not a lie to say that we contribute handsomely to the way of life of the Scots. It is indeed a lie as you are not taking things on a per capita basis.4 - "And I repeat you will have a rude awakening if ever the essential life line to the Scottish economy is irrevocably severed from England".See above and what is to follow.5 - I also believe Gordon Brown has told Alex Salmond its either North Sea oil or the Barnett Formula – you don't get both.You can believe what you like but that does not make it the truth. Now I will tell you the truth and the legal position.International law has designated 98% of the oil bearing areas of the North Sea lie within terrirory recognized as Scottish territorial Waters. This means, as Scots law is independent of English/Welsh law that the Scottish legal system has jurisdiction over everything that lies in Scottish territory. Now,to explain to you how the UK got round that little legal fact - The UK designated the whole North Sea asExtra-Regio Territory. It most certainly is not extra-regio as it lies within Scotland's territory. When we become Independent England, Wales and Northern Ireland will br left with 2% of the North Sea Revenues between them.Note - Extra Regio is defined as "Territory that cannot be besignated within the Country or Union's limits. It includes such as foreign embassy and bases. 6 - "And I certainly hope that the constant nationalist stirring for the "return" of Berwick to Scotland is stamped-on before Scots nats get their selves into a position where they can do to a part of Northumberland what the devious Welsh nationalists did to the once English county of Monmouthsire".Your grasp on history is as bad as your grasp on geography. Suffice to say that the border has shifted as far south as Teeside and as far north as the Forth/Clyde vally. 7 - "And you and your nationalist friends (not a conspiracy; just birds of a political feather...) are giving support to an undemocratic and noisy bunch of Welsh nationalists.Rubbish and lies. You seem not to know what democratic means.Now - further to your, "Beliefs", on the funding of the United Kingdom - England, and only England, is funded in a different manner to the rest of the UK - in fact it is funded,AS THE UK.So, as such things as Extra-Regio income, Crown Estate Royalty and rentals and several other things goes right into the same UK coffers as England directly from, then false accounting shows it as English income, (which it is not). Then there is the fact that most UK wide firms have registered head offices in London and they pay tax, including VAT, earned in all the UK countries in London. The portion of tax earned outwith England will, on independence, return to the country where it was earned.Still think Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish folks are in for a rude awakening? It you do you are a dreamer and living in a different World from the real one. Mon 26 Apr 2010 13:35:20 GMT+1 Fitzmark2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=87#comment321 Re 315"So, asy yourself, why are they so set upon blocking out the supporters of the largest political party in the Scottish parliament?"Well Auld Bob I can't really answer that question. I could add my two penneth worth, for what its worth, and say possibly its because people within the BBC hierarchy are still very fond of the term British and like me would not like to see Scotland cut its link with England. I could also put this question to you: Why do you think the BBC in its infinite wisdom closed down all the BBC England Message Boards? Mon 26 Apr 2010 13:13:50 GMT+1 Daviddwr http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=87#comment320 Auld Bob, The Fitz's remarks (318) need some translation: 'The once English county of Monmouthshire' makes just as much sense as the 'once English region of France'. 'An undemocratic and noisy bunch of Welsh nationalists' refers to the 80% of the Welsh electorate who support devolution. Mon 26 Apr 2010 13:00:12 GMT+1 Fitzmark2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=86#comment319 Re M 304 by Uilleam_beagIt is a house rule of the BBC whether the languages are British or not to provide a translation if one uses an expression which is not in English.And just out of interest, what does your nick name translate to? Mon 26 Apr 2010 12:59:14 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=86#comment318 #314. At 12:57pm on 26 Apr 2010, cleverelliejo wrote:"1 - Am I the only one that thinks that Plaid are making a big fuss about not being allowed on the same platform as the leaders of the 3 main parties".Of course you are not the only one - there are lots of people around who would like te destroy democracy.2 - "I also think that it is tragic that it looks as though the UK will be destroyed from within, by a small number of nationalists, who think they are important enough to change the course of history".Now what was that I was saying about democracy? Oh! Yes! Now I remember - Whatever gave you the idea that a small handful of Nationalists could do anything of the sort? If they do manage to gain independence for their respective countries it can only be done by a majority of that countries voters voting with them. Ergo - there is no way a small handful of anything can force anything upon anyone in a democratic setup. So what are you worried about? Mon 26 Apr 2010 12:36:13 GMT+1 Fitzmark2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=86#comment317 #303 by Auld BobEvery taxpayer in Britain contributes to the national pot, which is then apportioned via the Barnett Formula to the regions. People living in England, and who are now, post devolution, beginning to identify in this fracturing British State with the notion of Englishness, represent the greater proportion of the population of Britain. It follows that we, the English tax payers disproportionately contribute to the Barnett Formula. It is therfore definitely not a lie to say that we contribute handsomely to the way of life of the Scots. And I repeat you will have a rude awakening if ever the essential life line to the Scottish economy is irrevocably severed from England.I also believe Gordon Brown has told Alex Salmond its either North Sea oil or the Barnett Formula – you don't get both.And I certainly hope that the constant nationalist stirring for the "return" of Berwick to Scotland is stamped-on before Scots nats get their selves into a position where they can do to a part of Northumberland what the devious Welsh nationalists did to the once English county of Monmouthsire. And you and your nationalist friends (not a conspiracy; just birds of a political feather...) are giving support to an undemocratic and noisy bunch of Welsh nationalists. Mon 26 Apr 2010 12:25:51 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=86#comment316 #307. At 12:16pm on 26 Apr 2010, eye_write wrote:"And SNP legal fund reaches £40,682"!Great - I'm just a pensioner but I sent them a 3 figure sum late this very morning. I'm sure I can do without a few of the luxuries I was saving for and wait a little longer for them. Mon 26 Apr 2010 12:19:50 GMT+1 Daviddwr http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=85#comment315 Re 311 Chiefy - I cannot speak with total authority, but I suspect that some of the Plaid candidates in for example South East Wales are not fluent Welsh speakers, or not Welsh speakers at all. Despite the anti-Welsh postings, you'll find that many in Y Blaid are relaxed about the language. A truly bi-lingual Wales is the aspiration (and looking at the way my children are now fluent Welsh speakers, that is more and more the reality), but when the majority do not speak Welsh, you have to engage with the majority and win their support and sympathy. Mon 26 Apr 2010 12:14:03 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=85#comment314 #300. At 11:42am on 26 Apr 2010, Fitzmark2 wrote:"And I used the term "apologise" because several of your compatriots began their hymns of praise to the hostess with the… better not say that …opening expression of: "thank you for allowing us…".Your remarks, or should I describe it as where you, "apologise", to a Scottish poster, shows beyond doubt, that you do not understand the campaign of being waged upon the Nationalists in Scotland by the Establishment. Our version of this blog often gets closed. There are sometimes gaps before it returns, we are modded so much that the debate is smothered and, the latest ploy, is to remove Betsan Powys' blog data from the other bloggers that are shown down the right hand side of Brian Taylor's blog. So, asy yourself, why are they so set upon blocking out the supporters of the largest political party in the Scottish parliament?Also, why are the Unionist posters on this blog so intent upon keeping other points of view suppressed. What are they all so frighnened of if they think our case is so poor? Mon 26 Apr 2010 12:13:58 GMT+1 cleverelliejo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=85#comment313 Am I the only one that thinks that Plaid are making a big fuss about not being allowed on the same platform as the leaders of the 3 main parties is because they think they are facing a drubbing in the Election and they want a ready made excuse and someone to blame..Some people think that the billions that they have spent on "saving" the Welsh Language could have given us a first rate health service.I also think that it is tragic that it looks as though the UK will be destroyed from within, by a small number of nationalists, who think they are important enough to change the course of history... Mon 26 Apr 2010 11:57:20 GMT+1 Daviddwr http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=85#comment312 Fo, That explains a lot. I think he believes his job consists of pointing to objects so that the local papers can print photos of him pointing at things. I am sure somebody would be happy to do the same at a far lower cost. Mon 26 Apr 2010 11:45:57 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=84#comment311 #288. At 09:08am on 26 Apr 2010, Stonemason wrote:1 - "Why would a British citizen happy with his or her life, in general, consider such a pathetic question". Is it a disease of Unionists that they feel compelled to speak on behalf of all the people of the United Kingdom?The answer is that they all no not.2 - "to Now if you asked the question, 'can we leave the Union'":No one asked that question but read on.3 - "In a referendum to the English public it wouldn't require a pre-referendum yes-no debate, they would be waving you goodbye before the ink was dry on the ballot papers,":This is yet more rather stupid Unionist lies, propaganda and deception. Furthermore, as usual, it shows your capacity to assume to be spokesperson for the entire population.Here though, are the real facts. Northern Ireland has a population of around 1.7 Million but Ireland, as a whole has already split in two with the Republic showing no wish to return into the fold.Walesw has a population of around 3 million people and her people have fought for and won some devolved rule.Scotland has a population of about 5 million and has a devolved Parliament and is fighting foir more home control.England has a population between 65 and 70 million and there is little sign of any great wish for any form of devolution or independence. What little activity there has been is firmly based upon either bigotry, racism or envy of the Scots.Now can you explain why, with all those millions of people and with enough MPs to outvote all others put together there is no great movement to ditch those of us they claim to subsidise? Mon 26 Apr 2010 11:33:37 GMT+1 Chiefy1724 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=84#comment310 And we get modded faster here as well. Thank You, Betsan's Mods, it is possible to carry on a decent "conversation" here.Thanks also WelshKnot and FoDaffyd - much as I had suspected. Libdems only guilty parties ? Further Q Do all Plaid candidates have at least a smattering of the tounge ? Mon 26 Apr 2010 11:30:17 GMT+1 minuend http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=84#comment309 I'm sticking with Betsan. Mon 26 Apr 2010 11:27:28 GMT+1 spagan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=83#comment308 300 FitzMarkJust FYISlainte Mhor simply means "Big Health" Mon 26 Apr 2010 11:22:58 GMT+1 eye_write http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=83#comment307 This post has been Removed Mon 26 Apr 2010 11:19:07 GMT+1 eye_write http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=83#comment306 And SNP legal fund reaches £40,682! Mon 26 Apr 2010 11:16:52 GMT+1 Chiefy1724 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=83#comment305 If anyone's interested, BwB is now open. No acknowledgement of the fact that the blog has been closed for 5 days during the heart of the Election Campaign. No excuses. Business as usual.Personally speaking, I'm staying here. Not that I'm advocating a boycott, mind. Mon 26 Apr 2010 11:15:05 GMT+1 Nat_very_likely http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=82#comment304 Welsh LibDems impersonating police officers.Labour impersonating Elvis.Cameron frantically running around with his sleeves permanently rolled up so we forget he's an Old Etonian.A Labour candidate on Twitter wishing he had a "slave-grown" banana.A party leader(UKIP) who can't remember what's in his manifesto.Bizarre yes, but indicative of the lack of sense,honesty,composure in the Unionist parties as the British state falls apart.Even the once urbane Foreign Office is now clearly staffed by boorish vulgarians.Do you really want Scotland and Wales to be represented in foreign relations by this institution? Mon 26 Apr 2010 11:06:10 GMT+1 uilleam_beag http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=82#comment303 re #300 Fitzmark2I don't think I noticed anyone posting "foreign languages", Fitzy-boy. Aye, there were a few phrases in Welsh, Gaelic and Lallans, but I think you'll find those are classed as indigenous in a UK context (two out of three predating English). The former most certainly isn't "foreign" on a Welsh political discussion forum -- unless you're going to complain about Betsan using it in her own blog! Mon 26 Apr 2010 11:04:09 GMT+1 FoDafydd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=82#comment302 Re 296WelshKnotNo, he's been the pretend MP for the last five years. Mon 26 Apr 2010 11:00:36 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=82#comment301 #280. At 01:14am on 26 Apr 2010, Denno wrote:1 - "By which I mean posters on these Welsh/Scottish blogs fall into 1 of 2 categories:".Only two? That is a surprise.2 - "The majority (nationalists), who use these blogs as some kind of Plaid/SNP love fest, spouting conspiracy theories".You seem oblivious to the simple fact that you have just dreamt up your very own conspiracy theory. The Nationalist posters are all individuals and do not know each other in off net situations.3 - "Anyone who isn't who they support, ... ... ... ":Onthe cotrary every nationalist supporter is here for only one purpose - to engage with those holding opposite views to their own - and to refute, or prove wrong, those views that are so obviously either lies or wrong beliefs.4 - "Then there is the minority, who make a few posts here and there about keeping the union, existing solely to be called self haters/bigots/ignorant fools by the first group (or worst of all, a unionist (gulp))". Utter stuff and nonesense. the only ones called ignorant fools are because they are ignorant fools. Let me, without naming names, give you an example: - A Unionist poster claims that England is subsidising Wales, Scotland and N.Ireland. Now such claims are rife throughout the United Kingdom and they are very obviously utter nonsense, So any Unionist who posts such rubbish is obviously a fool a liar or both. Are you really claiming anyone who knows the truth should just shut up and accept the lies?Here are a few quite short facts to prove my point.There are no figures for English only revenues and expendatures. So explain what figures the Unionist is using?If the three non-English countries in the union are such a big drag upon English taxpayers why have not the 533 English MPs at Westminster cast out the 59 Scots, 40 Welsh and 18 Northern Irish MPs and insured England's taxpayers were free from the burden of carrying the rest of us upon their backs? Don't you find it strange that the Nationalists can all bring forth figures to prove their point but, in all my nearly 70 years in political debate, had a single person of the Unionist persuasion ever prove that England subsidises anyone - Not even my own MP Gordon Brown. So, if the Unionists do not want to be called liars and fools then don't tell lies or claim foolish things. Did you know that England has been, for years, in Fiscal Deficit? Any country in Fiscal Deficit is unable to pay her own way - so pray do explain to us all how England can manage to subsidise the Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish while having a fiscal deficit of her own?Now ... ... ... You were saying something about fools? Mon 26 Apr 2010 10:58:02 GMT+1 minuend http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=81#comment300 This election is really an English general election - it has nothing to do with Northern Ireland, Scotland nor Wales. This is fast becoming a trend.The last few elections have confirmed;the Tories as being the Little Englander Party - LEP, Labour as the Muddled England Party - MEP, UKIP as the Nutty English Party - NEPand the BNP as the English Nutter Party - ENP. This forthcoming election will confirm the LibDems as being the Insipid English Party - IEP. Mon 26 Apr 2010 10:54:11 GMT+1 Fitzmark2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=81#comment299 M.203 by GrannieAnneI assure you GrannieAnne I was not having a pop at "the feisty", "the charming", “the bonny,” Betsan Powys (Heaven forbid) but at Scots nats. And I used the term "apologise" because several of your compatriots began their hymns of praise to the hostess with the… better not say that …opening expression of: "thank you for allowing us…" It all came across to me as if well you were all humbly apologising for having the temerity to post your nationalistic nonsense. After all it's just a publically funded debating board and providing we all stick to the rules there's no need to thank anyone for allowing you to post. And talking of rules… As I understand them one of the rules states that this blog and other blogs are English language blogs and that all expressions in a foreign language should be accompanied by a translation. It doesn't seem to be the case on this blog however. Or perhaps nationalists of either ilk are exempt from the rule. Mon 26 Apr 2010 10:42:28 GMT+1 Bryn_Teilo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=81#comment298 I'm sickened listening to GB ('Broon' - hehe) on the EBC's News Channel from the RCN conference in Bournemouth telling us how he is NOT making a political point when he says that there won't be NHS cuts under Labour. He then talks incessantly about 'our country'. The NHS of which 'country' would that be that you're not going to cut, Gord? Is it England, Scotland or Wales?I'm also sick of incessantly hearing about what's going on in England on this News Channel that my licence fee is funding.Its interesting to read about how the Trustees of the EBC are appointed.http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/about/who_we_are/trustees/appointment.shtml'BBC Trustees are appointed by the Queen on advice from ministers. When new Trustees are needed the posts are advertised. Trustees are chosen on merit. The process is regulated by the independent Commissioner for Public Appointments.' (the CPA works only three days a week!)'Selection process - Those who apply to be Trustees are shortlisted and interviewed. The interview panel is chaired by a senior civil servant from DCMS (Department for Culture, Media and Sport). The panel also includes an independent assessor and the BBC Chairman. Their recommendation goes to the Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport, then to the Prime Minister, and finally to the Queen.'That makes them truly 'independent'. Obviously NOT.This election 'campaign' is a farce. Next after Broon on my screen appears an Eton educated Tory toff, hotly followed by a Westminster educated clone. These three parties are getting wall-to-wall coverage in my country (not yours, Gord) under the description of 'MAIN'. There are four main parties in Wales and Scotland, but they don't all appear on our screens. The voters in Wales and Scotland are not being fully informed of the choices available to them on May 6. Essentially its electoral manipulation and deception, more typical of banana republics. One has to conclude that election coverage on the EBC and other licenced public broadcasters is designed to prevent the electoral progress of the SNP and Plaid, and to continue the domination of England and the London parties over the other nations of these islands.It illustrates the dangers of the absence of a written constitution and a supreme court to uphold it. Instead the power lies with a corrupt and failed political establishment determined to hold on to its power at all costs.If people are hoodwinked that the Tweedledems are reformers, they are in for a disappoitment. Clegg has ruled out propping up Labour and Broon (if one can believe any pronouncement by a politician) and will therefore have to get into bed with Eton Dave, the arch anti-reformer. Electoral and constitutional reform isn't in the Tory dictionary. If it ever happened they would be wiped out. Much of their historical success has been due to overwhelming control of the press in the UK and massive funding from wealthy donors.I hope that the SNP makes significant gains on May 6, despite being severely handicapped by the lack of coverage.We can now clearly see what a sham of a democracy there is in the UK. Its a joke. Mon 26 Apr 2010 10:38:59 GMT+1 Wynnstay http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=80#comment297 Interesting about the Lib Dems leaflets, but what about the Labour Candidate for South Clwyd, Susan Elan Jones's leaflet that appears to show that Ysgol Y Grango and Wrexham County Borough both endorse her. It also cleverly sidesteps the issue that she has spent years out of the area and gives the impression that she has been a local councillor whereas she was with Southwark for years. Mon 26 Apr 2010 10:30:45 GMT+1 eye_write http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=80#comment296 This post has been Removed Mon 26 Apr 2010 10:18:12 GMT+1 Daviddwr http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=80#comment295 Fo, Is he the policeman or the nurse in the leaflets? Mon 26 Apr 2010 10:14:26 GMT+1 FoDafydd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=80#comment294 Re 291The Lib Dem in Ceredigion of course is Mark Williams. He has been telling the electorate of that constituency in his leaflets for over ten years now that he is learning Welsh - well, it's probably time he proved that this wasn't another Lib Dem election leaflet lie. That's not too much to ask is it? Mon 26 Apr 2010 09:38:04 GMT+1 Barbazenzero http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=79#comment293 #284 eye_write"Surprise. The BBC doesn't approve a post detailing how to donate to the SNP's legal fund, to challenge the BBC's lack of impartiality."Quite so. But no surprise that some in the BBC do get it, viz Andrew Marr in the transcript of yesterday's AM Show:"So if the court ruled that the third debate had to be blacked out in Scotland, which is what could happen, I don't understand the practicalities of that because, presumably, people can still watch it on their computers? Scots can't be sort of stopped from watching things on computer and so on. Is it actually practical in this day and age to refuse Scottish viewers the chance to see that third debate if that's what happened?"Unsurprising that he of all people should realise the odds on the challenge succeeding are pretty good. After all, his very readable A victory for the thin-skinned in the Indy of 5 April 1995 begins "The Panorama squabble promotes a mentality that ignores a need for more quality political debate" and goes on to say:"What principle? We must do some disentangling, for two principles are involved, and they are in conflict. There is, first, the principle that pre-election periods are special, and impose special duties of scrupulous balance on the BBC, alongside the complex rules laid down by the Representation of the People Act.No one disagrees that this is so - for general election campaigns."Not that his belief in fairness seems to have survived the transition to BBC London. Pity Alex wasn't given the time to remind him of the days when he was an independently-minded journalist. Mon 26 Apr 2010 09:37:03 GMT+1 RandomScot http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=79#comment292 StonemasonOut here in the adult would, if someone says X is better, then they can advance reasons as to why X is better.Are you saying that you have no logical reasons as to why retaining the Union is better? Mon 26 Apr 2010 09:29:13 GMT+1 Simmo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=79#comment291 POLLS! POLLS! POLLS! Does anybody have a link to data for voting intentions to date in Scotland or Wales please? As a Welshman living in Glasgow I have a pretty equal interest in both! Reason I ask is that a brief mention was made of voting intention and trends to date in Wales and Scotland on Radio 4 last night (Westminster Hour), and I wanted to look into this in more depth; but had a quick trawl of the i'net and could only find trends for the 'top 3' i.e. Lib-Lab-Con.Cheers, SImmo Mon 26 Apr 2010 09:23:52 GMT+1 Daviddwr http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=79#comment290 Greetings to all of you from the bright sunlit uplands, it is great having your views and new angles to old debates. You have been a real shot in the arm and the Sad Seven are clearly put out that they are even more in the minority than usual.To put their views into context, I adopted this name to produce a series of parody rants ('Wales should be a land fit for the English to live in' and so on) reflecting a general fondness for their visceral loathing for Welsh culture and society. These rants were designed to reflect a UKIP / BNP point of view and attracted no criticism from the Sad Seven. You may draw your own conclusions here. It is clear that the debate has moved a long way on in Scotland, where it is no longer a sin to express any affection for your own country. We are lagging behind in that aspect, but we are catching up. Regarding the Welsh language, the Sad Seven either want it to be abolished or to be stripped of any form of support whatsoever. In that sense again, Scotland is well ahead. For your information, the Lib Dems have a record of parachuting in monoglot English speakers into Welsh speaking areas such as Ceredigion. Or in the world of Quentin Letts in the 'Daily Mail' (I kid you not) replacing a leading parliamentarian with a librarian.Well, here we await a referendum in 2011 which will put us (almost) on a level footing with Scotland (i.e. back to where we were in 1405) and all the signs are looking good. Wales is growing up, slowly, painfully but progressively. Mon 26 Apr 2010 09:10:28 GMT+1 mrbfaethedee http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=78#comment289 Sorry for the duplication! Thanks, cynicalHighlander. Mon 26 Apr 2010 08:37:53 GMT+1 mrbfaethedee http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=78#comment288 269. GeneralMalaise"mrbfaethedee - where can I find your wee script for the 'reply' button?I messed up my Firefox so Im running with a vanilla version till I work out what went wrong."It's here at the userscripts site GeneralMalaise.If you have any problems setting it up, you can comment at the userscripts site if you can't post here.Thanks for trying it :) Mon 26 Apr 2010 08:34:44 GMT+1 John Henry http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=78#comment287 #285 gedguy2 asks the question ..."Can the Unionists come up with a reason to stay in the Union?".Why would a British citizen happy with his or her life, in general, consider such a pathetic question.Now if you asked the question ...... "can we leave the Union" ...... in a referendum to the English public it wouldn't require a pre-referendum yes-no debate, they would be waving you goodbye before the ink was dry on the ballot papers .... Mon 26 Apr 2010 08:08:36 GMT+1 spagan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=77#comment286 280 DennoIf you look under the word "England" and scroll down to the foot - you'll find a political Blog for all the regions of Olde Englande.Very few comments except for London.The only political Blog that worries the EBC is the Scottish one - and I guess that is why they keep closing it down.I guess that is why you have us plaided refugees contributing to Betsan's Blog.Slainte Mhor Mon 26 Apr 2010 06:50:13 GMT+1 gedguy2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=77#comment285 Being a Dundee United supporter let me congratulate Glasgow Rangers on winning the Scottish league. Mon 26 Apr 2010 04:59:09 GMT+1 gedguy2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=77#comment284 I, and a few others, have asked this question on BwB; "Can the Unionists come up with a reason to stay in the Union?".So far, no Scottish Unionist has even tried to answer that one. Maybe the Welsh Unionists can manage an answer? Mon 26 Apr 2010 04:56:47 GMT+1 eye_write http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=77#comment283 Surprise. The BBC doesn't approve a post detailing how to donate to the SNP's legal fund, to challenge the BBC's lack of impartiality. Mon 26 Apr 2010 01:48:00 GMT+1 GeneralMalaise http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=76#comment282 279. DisgustedinDERRY"Where has spinspamspun7 gone???spinspamspun7 was kered, I think. DerekBarker, DerekB amongst others. He had a lucid spell a few months back and talked some sense for a while but not for long, sadly." Mon 26 Apr 2010 01:21:50 GMT+1 eye_write http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=76#comment281 This post has been Removed Mon 26 Apr 2010 01:21:25 GMT+1 oldnat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=76#comment280 280. Denno"(or worst of all, a unionist (gulp))"That's among one of your sillier comments. Being a UK Unionist is a perfectly respectable position. However, it can no longer simply be regarded as the presumptive position.Those of your persuasion who simply attack SNP/Plaid, and make crude characterisations of their supporters, while offering no positive justification of the Union are welcome to stay in that position. Without understanding that there is an alternative political vision, you are likely to become like the League of Empire Loyalists that I remember. Bewildered by the changes around them, they simply couldn't understand that change was necessary to survive.And now, definitely!, nytol. Mon 26 Apr 2010 00:51:10 GMT+1 Denno http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=76#comment279 By which I mean posters on these Welsh/Scottish blogs fall into 1 of 2 categories: the majority (nationalists), who use these blogs as some kind of Plaid/SNP love fest, spouting conspiracy theories about BBC bias towards Labour/Conservative/Lib Dem/anyone who isn't who they support, and that they are being denied freedom of speech by said BBC (despite there being no English politics blog, let alone one that doesn't close after a few hours). Then there is the minority, who make a few posts here and there about keeping the union, existing solely to be called self haters/bigots/ignorant fools by the first group (or worst of all, a unionist (gulp)). These same posts are repeated ad nauseum by many different posters, until the BBC rightly gets sick of the whole thing and wrongly decides they would be much better off making TV programs with Graham Norton. Mon 26 Apr 2010 00:14:37 GMT+1 DisgustedinDERRY http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=75#comment278 276. oldnatWhere has spinspamspun7 gone??? Mon 26 Apr 2010 00:12:16 GMT+1 Denno http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=75#comment277 oldnat - I shouldn't think they are the same people. You sound just like ~5,000 other posters on various BBC blogs. Mon 26 Apr 2010 00:00:54 GMT+1 frankly francophone http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=75#comment276 #260 Auld Bob"(...) the colour, creed and ethnic background mean nothing."Indeed so. The 'civic nationalism' of the Scottish National Party is something of which it can be justly proud. The inclusiveness and social democracy of the SNP could hardly be more appropriate for a modern political party that seeks not only to represent Scotland but to make the most of its enormous potential, which can only be realized when its people have recovered control over all of its resources and harnessed them for the benefit of everyone who lives there. Not an unreasonable objective, one would have thought.As for the topic of this thread, Betsan Powys deserves credit for her presentation of two opposing schools of thought, but I doubt whether much clarity on funding for the devolved administrations of the subject nations can be expected in the fog of war that we are struggling to find our way through in this desperately bizarre election campaign.One thing that is clear, however, is that, as the IMF advises, the unprecedentedly high level of UK public debt has got to start coming down soon, although it is still rising. The credit-rating agencies and the markets will require that action be taken on this after the election. There would seem to be no choice in the matter. What is also clear, I venture to suggest, is that in this situation it will be very difficult for the new UK government to chart a course in respect of Scottish Government funding that will please both Scotland and England, whether Scottish funding is cut deeply or not. If it is cut deeply, the consequences for the Scottish economy, with its large public sector, are liable to be such that voters will be driven into the welcoming arms of the SNP. If by some miracle it is not cut deeply while government spending in England is being cut back to a degree that turns out to be as painful as some fear that it must be, many people in England will not hesitate to condemn what will be represented as preferential treatment for Scotland.So, whether the UK election result puts the Celtic alliance into a position of influence or not, the dire phase of the economic crisis towards which we are now progressing may reasonably be expected to advance the agenda of independentists, driving anglo-unionists to further paroxysms of highly unprepossessing rage and reducing support for the union between England and Scotland in both countries.If this development occurs, it will be in line with what is happening elsewhere in Europe at this time. Just recently autonomists and independentists increased their vote substantially in regional elections in Corsica, and the other day Flemish autonomists and independentists caused the Belgian federal government to resign by taking advantage of conditions produced by the economic crisis to push forward their agenda, which broadly consists in acquiring more and more autonomy until so much has been gained that the unity of the state collapses and its viability disappears like snow off a dyke.Nice to see a welcome in the valleys for a fine body of political refugees fleeing a clampdown on freedom of expression in North Britain. Nighty night. Sun 25 Apr 2010 23:56:18 GMT+1 oldnat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=74#comment275 270. Auld BobAnyone notice that "Jack Wilkinson's syntax and style bears a remarkable resemblance to Reluctant Expat on BwB?I wonder if there is a similar incarnation on Devenport's Diary?I never really believed the Christian doctrine of the Trinity, but perhaps there is a satanic version of which Jack is but a variant?Nytol. Sun 25 Apr 2010 23:44:34 GMT+1 oldnat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=74#comment274 240. BadgerthebotanistRead your post with interest (I've largely reverted to lurking here again). But I found Jack's post to you interesting. He seems to think that blog readers (lurkers) are a tiny number, who shouldn't really intervene. I've always recognised that the lurkers are the important people.They're not the loudmouths (like me!!!) but the important people who actually vote.As I lurk, I'd like to see the odd post from you again. Sun 25 Apr 2010 23:37:00 GMT+1 GeneralMalaise http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=74#comment273 271. cynicalHighlanderthanks :-) Sun 25 Apr 2010 23:34:53 GMT+1 Barbazenzero http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=74#comment272 #254 FoDafydd"His hysterical nonsense really isn't worth the bother."Fair enough. Possibly exacerbated by fear that his beloved "official" unionists, unlike their North British oppos, have, like your Eastern neighbours, dropped the "and Unionist" from their descriptions. Could this be a hidden agenda, I wonder?In the four "home nations", the "officials" are standing as:● England: Conservative Party Candidate● Northern Ireland: Ulster Conservatives and Unionists - New Force● Scotland: Scottish Conservative and Unionist● Wales: Welsh Conservative Party CandidateNB: The list is from official nomination sites as the BBC one is oddly inconsistent with them. TTFN Sun 25 Apr 2010 23:21:31 GMT+1 highlandarab http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=73#comment271 #267. Jack_Wilkinson wrote:"253. At 10:59pm on 25 Apr 2010, DisgustedinDERRY wrote:#244, is the So what??? folkiWho cares???Ha ha, who cares??? Why is it always me? To have to piddle on the parades of vainglorious idiots?"Eh! What!You havn't driven a big white van over to Calais recently have you?What language is that in? Sun 25 Apr 2010 23:11:35 GMT+1 cynicalHighlander http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=73#comment270 269. GeneralMalaise"mrbfaethedee - where can I find your wee script for the 'reply' button?"bbc comment responder Sun 25 Apr 2010 23:04:00 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=73#comment269 #244. At 10:34pm on 25 Apr 2010, Jack_Wilkinson wrote:"Could I suggest, that you study the population mix of Merry England? Or the population mix of South Wales, where English surnames hugely out number Welsh surnames"?Can I suggest you realise that not a single Nationalist has posted anything about where the people of Wales & Scotland originated from. Only that they were now The People of Wales or Scotland. See, thing is we are not racists - you are. Sun 25 Apr 2010 22:59:29 GMT+1 GeneralMalaise http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=73#comment268 mrbfaethedee - where can I find your wee script for the 'reply' button? I messed up my Firefox so Im running with a vanilla version till I work out what went wrong. Sun 25 Apr 2010 22:54:35 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/betsanpowys/2010/04/chill_winds.html?page=72#comment267 #243. At 10:31pm on 25 Apr 2010, Stonemason:Is it not strange that you can make the claim you are supporting the Scots & Welsh with your taxes when England herself is in Fiscal Deficit. Do you know what that means, "Stonemason"?I shall define it for you. - "When a government's total expenditures exceed the revenue that it generates (excluding money from borrowings). Deficit differs from debt, which is an accumulation of yearly deficits.So please explain how a country in Fiscal Deficit can manage to finance itself? If you manage that then perhaps you might then explain how it can finance other countries?I am not holding my breath. Sun 25 Apr 2010 22:50:11 GMT+1