Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html en-gb 30 Sun 13 Jul 2014 00:02:29 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html Electric Hermit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=98#comment52 52. Wee-Scamp"A close examination of my previous posts show that I didn't actually say anything about cities being given over to selfish motorists. A simple apology will be fine thanks."No apology will be forthcoming. I have no patience for pampered motorists demanding ever greater privilege. And their incessant whining is very tedious. Wed 22 Sep 2010 09:36:15 GMT+1 Wee-Scamp http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=96#comment51 #44 Reactionary prejudice. Not everybody shares your "vision" of cities entirely given over to selfish motorists.A close examination of my previous posts show that I didn't actually say anything about cities being given over to selfish motorists. A simple apology will be fine thanks. Wed 22 Sep 2010 08:40:46 GMT+1 oldnat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=94#comment50 50. highlandarabUnrequited love is so sad. I suspect that RE can satisfy all of his own needs. Wed 22 Sep 2010 01:29:25 GMT+1 highlandarab http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=92#comment49 Dear REmy #49 - You see, it is not fair. You have made several complaints that all you get is abusive texts and here was me trying very hard to be constructive and to discuss my inner most feelings with you the other night, and also to try to gain an understanding of what your thought processes were. Could you get me to consider a different route instead of my current favoured one? I am open to suggestions as I said. I am not a member of any party so in your eyes there may still be hope for me yet.But as AS said early in his leadership of our great nation in an answer to Auntie - "he never calls, he never writes" or something like that (I paraphrased because I am too lazy to look it up). I know how he felt that day.So, after waiting for a week for some feedback I am left here all alone, reading you cozying up to other bloggers who may not be as tolerant and patient as me, and I feel sad and let down.I can now see why some may write text that you think abusive to you - they get reply's - you engage with them. They have a need that you satisfy and in responding it gives them a warm glow. Look at my last text. I feel as though I have joined them in their wicked ways. I have let myself down by being less than kind to you. I think I may now be a lost cause to your thoughts and solutions. Ah well. I tried. I won't try again I am afraid. Our time together has been short but must come to an end."Parting is such sweet sorrow" as someone else said but if all you want is monologue, I can do that all on my own. You better just add me to your list of bloggers who are critical.Oidhche Mhath Tue 21 Sep 2010 20:51:42 GMT+1 highlandarab http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=90#comment48 Dear RE#16 my hope for an reply to your previous hope for a reply from last Wednesday(if you can follow that)Are you available for consultation tonight by any chance or are you just back to hit and run tactics?I get the feeling it will be a tight run thing - the London based parties agreeing to a referendum on independence and you discussing any of the points you initially raise. I might go and put a few bob on the current friendly pair in London winning that race. Tue 21 Sep 2010 20:37:32 GMT+1 inmykip http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=88#comment47 Well of course ....I tend to advocate for independence because I don't like the sound of Amanda Holden. Tue 21 Sep 2010 20:06:28 GMT+1 Electric Hermit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=86#comment46 46. Reluctant-Expat"You couldn't, not even in the wildest of drug-induced, psychotic and sleep-deprived hallucinations, make that up."But it may explain some of your "contributions". Tue 21 Sep 2010 19:13:12 GMT+1 Dunroamin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=84#comment45 41. Ah, the Universality of Cheese.The only website in the whole of WWW-dom that seriously advocated independence because Amanda Holden (yes, the Britain's Got Talent judge) dared to joke that she doesn't like the sound of bagpipes. No, I am absolutely not making this up.And this total balloon is actually a senior SNP advisor.You couldn't, not even in the wildest of drug-induced, psychotic and sleep-deprived hallucinations, make that up. Tue 21 Sep 2010 18:59:59 GMT+1 oldnat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=83#comment44 44. Electric HermitA one-horsepower vehicle ... is a horse! Tue 21 Sep 2010 18:59:20 GMT+1 Electric Hermit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=81#comment43 43. oldnat"You think? I don't. It tells people that Edinburgh is run by a bunch of visionless numpties that believe in the stick but not the carrot."Reactionary prejudice. Not everybody shares your "vision" of cities entirely given over to selfish motorists. Tue 21 Sep 2010 18:15:07 GMT+1 oldnat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=79#comment42 42. Wee-Scamp"believe in the stick but not the carrot"Both are required to drive the engines of one-horsepower vehicles! Tue 21 Sep 2010 17:57:36 GMT+1 Wee-Scamp http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=77#comment41 #37 Reactionary scare-mongering.You think? I don't. It tells people that Edinburgh is run by a bunch of visionless numpties that believe in the stick but not the carrot. Tue 21 Sep 2010 17:49:35 GMT+1 universality of cheese http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=75#comment40 This post has been Removed Tue 21 Sep 2010 16:39:18 GMT+1 nat_of_sorts http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=73#comment39 36. EphemeralDeception"They had policies pretty close the SNP but refused to enter into a coalition with them because of a referendum!"Exactly.But Why?What is now clear is that the LibDems have become every bit as centralist as Labour and the Tories.Previous Lib/LibDem "Federal" leaders(Sinclair,Grimond,Thorpe,Steel,MacLennan,Ashdown,Kennedy&Campbell)all came from or represented seats in the Celtic Fringe.Westminster School product Nick Clegg doesn't show much grasp of Scottish politics.The Scottish LibDems distancing of themselves from the SNP over the referendum,minimum pricing etc looks mighty cynical and London centric.Perhaps though it's nothing really new.Didn't Ludovic Kennedy fall out with the old Scottish Liberal Party over it's reluctance to work with the SNP in the seventies? Tue 21 Sep 2010 14:51:48 GMT+1 redrobb http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=71#comment38 Proof if ever it was needed, is that the DEM part of the CONDEM coalition is the DEMS have always been the wishy washy CONS for most of their political lives! Only JOE PUBLIC gets really CONNED! Tue 21 Sep 2010 14:10:25 GMT+1 It wisnae me http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=69#comment37 The LibDems are merely demonstrating the great wisdom of the British people in keeping them from power for so many decades.It pains me to say it, but if I had known the outcome in advance, I would have voted Conservative at the General Election to give Call Me Dave sufficient seats to govern alone.At least, with the True Blues, we knew what to expect.Still, I don't know why anyone is surprised by Clegg's conduct - it is claimed that he joined the party because he didn't want the competition of the intellects present in the Conservative ranks at university, and thought he could see an easier path to rise to the top with the LibDems: a big fish in a wee pond. Tue 21 Sep 2010 13:29:43 GMT+1 Electric Hermit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=67#comment36 35. Wee-Scamp"This will do Scotland's image as a progressive nation and the place to invest and bring your business absolutely no good at all. "Reactionary scare-mongering. Tue 21 Sep 2010 12:54:48 GMT+1 EphemeralDeception http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=66#comment35 34 I agree. Where Brian misses the point is that it is not the stress of Coalition and cuts that is going to impact the dems. It is their total abandonment of core principals + the platter of cuts and more cuts that will do the job.Since the dems do not even want a referendum on fiscal control then their whole constutional stance of a federal UK is blown to pieces.Their colour should be white, as in white flag. Any policy can be surrendered if they can jump into bed with other London parties. They had policies pretty close the SNP but refused to enter into coalition with them because of a referendum! Then they go into bed with Tories despite major differences in policy and the Libs drop polices all over. BIG MISTAKE - in Scotland.The Tories in England have nothing to lose in compromising with the Lib dems because a disgruntled tory will usually go Lib dem anyway and vice versa. Yet, the Libs have it all to loose in the North. They are loosing popularity and will loose big time in Scotland. This on its own helps illustrate that Scotland and England are completely different beasts. There is no Brit politic. There is an anglo politic and a Scottish one. In a GE we get to take part in (limited parts of) the Anglo politic process and policy debate. In the Scottish election we finally get a look at Scottish policies, but within a limited context.In this Scottish context the Libdems are going to struggle in Scotland except where their core vote and candidate is very popular locally. Tue 21 Sep 2010 12:32:43 GMT+1 Wee-Scamp http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=64#comment34 I see that Edinburgh City Council is imposing a 20mph speed limit and charging so called "gas guzzler" owners double for parking outside their own homes. This will do Scotland's image as a progressive nation and the place to invest and bring your business absolutely no good at all. Tue 21 Sep 2010 11:57:00 GMT+1 nat_of_sorts http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=62#comment33 The Liberal Democrats refusal to support a referendum in Scotland is the most appalling abandonment of liberal principles.The fact they are for referenda regarding Wales and AV does not allow them to claim they are upholding such principles.Liberal democracy cannot be practised on a selective or part-time basis else it ceases to be liberal democracy. Tue 21 Sep 2010 09:58:46 GMT+1 Dennistoundon http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=60#comment32 Old NatWell said on Foulkes the guy is endemic of the Corrupt, self aggrandising, disinterested nature so worryingly common among Labour politicians in the west of Scotland. Like Iain Gary ( the worst Labour leader ever at Holyrod) Foulkes’s entire policy platform can be simply be summed up as Anti SNP, lord help us if this clueless non entity ever becomes first minister.In defence of the BBC it showed the footage of what DR Swire said and Foulkes followed immediately and his lies were so blatantly exposed I couldn’t help but laugh.PatchBruce I agree this was quiet the non event blog but in fairness to Brain having covered the Pope’s visit on Thursday and with conference season having just kicked off what else did you expect him to cover? Tue 21 Sep 2010 09:55:37 GMT+1 Robin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=58#comment31 1. At 2:02pm on 20 Sep 2010, Reluctant-Expat wrote:"...should the repeated predictions of doom, despair, destitution and destruction from Labour and the nationalists turn out to be no more than shrill rants, not only may Tory support within Scotland recover to pre-Thatcher levels..."I've heard some corkers on here but that one just makes the phrase "ludicrously optimistic" woefully inadequate.Face reality, there's a huge great hole in the UK's finances and any long-term thinkers in the Labour Party (yes, I know that's a bit of a "Dutch mountaineers" concept) must be wetting themselves at the thought that the Tories (AND the Lib-Dems) are faced with the task of making themselves unelectable for the forseeable future as a result of trying to fill the hole that Gordon dug...OK, they could do it without making cuts but the result would probably be much the same, electorally(*). For example, making rich tax-avoiders pay the tax they're already supposed to pay would make a massively bigger difference even than shooting everyone on Incapacity Benefit but, given the choice between that and hammering the poorest in society, it would take a very strange kind of Tory to make the sensible choice. And the big problem is that Scots have more than just a suspicion that the the reason why is that Tories just enjoy it too much.At the same time, it does look like a repeat of the 80s for the SNP - with the evil Tories in power in England again it does looks like we're in for another long period of supporting Labour in ever-increasing numbers ("keeping out the Tories" they call it, completely missing the irony...).It's a bit like the traditional (ie. British) habit of only voting Labour when things are going well, and turning to the Tories when Labour screw things up big time and a competent government's required. Except in Scotland it looks more like giving the SNP a wee shot at playing with pretend parliament as long as there's a Labour Government looking after the important things in London (so the Nationalists can't really do too much damage), but getting back behind the Labour Party as soon as things go wrong and the nasty Tories get back in.I had just left school when the gradualists took over the SNP - with support for independence at exactly the same level 30 years later as it was then it looks like I'll be long deid before support for independence shows any discernable movement with this approach - even "continental driftists" would confidently expect speedier progress than this...(* Or maybe not... What if the Tories have a go at hammering the rich - tax them to the hilt, etc. - they could solve all their financial problems much easier like that on the grounds that bankers and the like are never going to vote anything other than Tory anyway. Or are they just incapable of the same kind of grubby self-serving disloyalty to their own supporters as Labour? ) Tue 21 Sep 2010 00:08:58 GMT+1 oldnat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=56#comment30 29. oldnat"Tough guys!"Sorry, that should have been "Tough, guys". But on second thoughts ..... :-) Mon 20 Sep 2010 23:11:09 GMT+1 kered http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=54#comment29 Wow! 11% and october nearing, in 8 months time Scotland could be sailing towards a wipe out of first choice preference for the tories and lib/dems.Yip! i would fully expect the SNP's percentage rate to rise. Mon 20 Sep 2010 22:39:02 GMT+1 oldnat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=52#comment28 28. handclappingTough guys! I find polls interesting.Tomorrow's YouGov for GB - LDs down to 11% immediately after their conference. Mon 20 Sep 2010 22:11:17 GMT+1 handclapping http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=50#comment27 #25 Wee-ScampI'm with you on the polling. I think the lassie in the CalyMerc had it right when she said it would only be after we knew what the damage was at the end of October that we'ld tell the polls what we really think.On another matter it looks as if one of the supermarkets is believing Labour's caffein story. They're advertising Cola at 25p a tin! Stay home and get bevvied on that before going out for the evening. :) Strathclyde polis are on full alert and standing in fours outside all the coffee shops. Mon 20 Sep 2010 21:52:31 GMT+1 inmykip http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=49#comment26 This post has been Removed Mon 20 Sep 2010 21:07:21 GMT+1 oldnat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=47#comment25 24. patchbruceSwire said that he looked much the same as when released, and that he is clearly terminally ill. Sensible doctor, wouldn't put a life expectancy termThen on comes Lord Ffoulkes claiming that Swire said that he was looking well!Ffoulkes really is a poisonous person. Some of you will remember that I overheard him saying to a friend that the voters of Glasgow North "are all underclass". Mon 20 Sep 2010 20:55:56 GMT+1 Wee-Scamp http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=45#comment24 Good grief. Are we going to spend the life of this blog arguing over who is polling at what level? Fact is that it is quite likely the LibDems will lose votes to Labour in Scotland. From an economic standpoint that will be highly dangerous although of course there is no chance of the Tory/LibDem Westminster coalition agreeing to giving Labour Calman, Calman2, full fiscal powers etc unless they want to see the Scottish economy completely destroyed. Mon 20 Sep 2010 18:39:01 GMT+1 Patch Bruce http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=43#comment23 Another non blog Brian, who cares about the English liberals having a shin dig, discussing their love in with the English Tories. Do you really believe any Tory or liberal when they say that they will not put Scotland to the sword next year, "it wont be like the eighties" the oxbridge leader says. Yes, and the tide will stop ebbing and flowing. P.S. I see the BBC could not help themselves from ambushing Dr Squires today and whilst wispering that he said that Megrahi looks like some one fighting a grave illness, shouted out that he LOOKED MUCH LIKE HE DID A YEAR AGO. I'm sure that the good doctor had much more to say than what was shown. Lets see the whole interview BBC! Mon 20 Sep 2010 18:07:01 GMT+1 It wisnae me http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=41#comment22 Where Ms Swinson is on surer ground is her assertion that folk generally like politicians to co-operate. I think not.Folk generally like extreme policies to be moderated by the influence of another party.Here, we have the LibDems trying to out-Tory the Tories just in the name of' coalition unity' (surely a moronic oxymoron).Mutual destruction may seem the most likely option, as each party heads into ever more extreme political waters - trying to show that they can take the hard decisions, whatever the costs at the level of individual voters - but the Tories won't care because We The People expect no better; the nice cuddly Liberals/LibDems are now shown to be power-crazed and no better than the rest.So what is the point of a third party (in UK terms)...?In next year's Holyrood election - and during the recent Papal visit I only heard ONE commentator correctly pronounce the name, most opting for HOLLYrude - pity the poor LibDem campaigner: many doors being slammed in ever fewer faces, as the party faithful keep true to faith and abandon party. To hear today the LibDem leader - Nick Clegg for the timebeing - invoking the spirit of Winston Churchill (who famously abandoned the Liberal cause and took the Conservative shilling) without the merest hint of irony was truly pathetic.I hope that the Deputy PM salary - almost as good as the expenses gravy train in the old days - is worth it to Clegg.When, several decades hence, his grandchildren ask him what he did when the Government pursued the Great Spending Cut, will he have the decency and honesty to record that he sharpened the blade...? Mon 20 Sep 2010 17:48:59 GMT+1 oldnat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=39#comment21 20. WansanshooIndeed, 8 months to go. I get the impression that there has been a visceral response in the Central Belt to the Tories being in power at Westminster. While party sniping has been going on since 2007, the focus hasn't really shifted to Scottish politics yet.While sub-samples are notoriously inaccurate and variable, the TNS regional breakdowns are all we have to guess at what is happening around the country.These are the constituency VIs from TNS -H&I – SNP 38% : LD 32% : Lab 19% : Con 8%NE – SNP 44% : Lab 25% : Con 17% : LD 11%Mid & Fife – Lab 46% : SNP 33% : LD 13% : Con 8%Lothian – Lab 47% : SNP 27% : LD 16% : Con 6%Central – Lab 56% : SNP 33% : LD 0% : Con 8%Glasgow – Lab 55% : SNP 31% : LD 12% : Con 3%West – Lab 49% : SNP 28% : Con 10% : LD 9%South – Lab 33% : Con 29% : SNP 24% : LD 12% Mon 20 Sep 2010 17:44:37 GMT+1 oldnat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=37#comment20 19. JohnConstable"where broadly socialist Scotland moves even further away from the more capitalistic England.That was always a major fault line running through the so-called Union.""Collectivist" is probably more accurate than "socialist", but other than that, I'd agree.However, that fault line is meaningless, while Labour are still strong in Scotland and prefer to have an individualist agenda from Westminster rather than create the sort of Scotland that two-thirds (?) of the population want.The "Scottish cringe" is alive and well - in Labour. Mon 20 Sep 2010 17:24:39 GMT+1 Wansanshoo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=35#comment19 15 & 18I stand corrected on the latest polls, however here are the figures from 2007:A month by month analysis of opinion polls for 2006 shows the momentum is with the SNP as the party overtakes Labour before moving into 2007 and the year of the Scottish Parliamentary elections.According to monthly poll of polls the SNP went from being 14% behind Labour on the constituency vote in March to a 3% lead in November. For the regional vote the SNP went from being 10% behind in March to a 2% lead in November. Mon 20 Sep 2010 17:12:51 GMT+1 JohnConstable http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=33#comment18 In the political sense, 'spending cuts' is a terrible phrase and it is easy to see why politicians usually go to great lengths to avoid using it.Far better to say something like 'getting value for money' even if the actualite is 'cuts'.Whatever it is called, this may turn out to be a juncture where broadly socialist Scotland moves even further away from the more capitalistic England.That was always a major fault line running through the so-called Union. Mon 20 Sep 2010 16:31:45 GMT+1 oldnat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=32#comment17 14. WansanshooAs I suspect RE will have already pointed out, but nastily, Labour do have a significant lead in the latest pollsThe most recent is TNS in AugustConstituency - Lab 46% : SNP 32% : LD 11% : Con 10%List - - Lab 42% : SNP 30% : LD 12% : Con 11%Tories still last, of course! Mon 20 Sep 2010 16:04:40 GMT+1 Paul McDonald http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=30#comment16 "The Scottish Lib Dems deputy leader said that, in ordinary walks of life, folk generally had to get on with their colleagues.In the workplace, for example, those with a different outlook on matters had to set those differences aside for the common good."I think the analogy between politics and corporate life is an accurate one, although not for the reasons Jo Swinson quotes.We all know the only reason people "get on" with their colleagues in the corporate world is for their own personal professional advancement. Sadly, this is indeed a trait we have seen in abundance from the Lib Dems as soon as the Tories dangled the carrot of perceived power in front of them. I suspect Jo Swinsons defense of their Tory coalition despite the deep-felt unrest of their members is another example of a career politician on a path to power.What voters would find more refreshing, in my opinion, is a politician who makes decisions based on the best interests of the people they are elected to represent, even in-spite of disincentive to themselves or their party. Is it not a poor indictment of politics that there are few examples of such service from our politicians? The only example that springs to mind is Kenny MacAskill's decision to grant compassionaite release to Megrahi. Mon 20 Sep 2010 16:03:47 GMT+1 highlandarab http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=28#comment15 #1 Reluctant Ex-PatAh well I see you are back with the first post again. Are you planning to hang around and join in the discussion tonight or have you other plans.Last Wednesday you asked a few questions which I assumed you were interested in hearing the answers to but it became a bit of a monologue when you didn't get back to push the conversation forward.Any chance that you could reopen that debate and give me an answer to my response. After all it took a while to prepare and I was genuinely interested in your agreement or alternatives for the situations you described.Maybe you will have time tonight.As you concluded in your own post - "Well, let's hear it!" Mon 20 Sep 2010 15:51:41 GMT+1 Dunroamin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=26#comment14 14. Why do you bother doing this, Wansanshoo? It's pretty much every time.The latest polls (and not the older/selective ones that you posted):TNS - 5 Sep:ConstituencyLab 42% SNP 32%Tories 12%LD 11%RegionalLab 42%SNP 32%LibDems 12%Tories 11%YouGov - 6 Sep:ConstituencyLab 39%SNP 29%Tories 19%LD 11%RegionalLabour 36%SNP 26%Tories 15%LibDems 12%.Oh yes, while the SNP steered well clear of commissioning on the regional vote in their YouGov poll (I wonder why?!), you neglected to include this part of the Ipsos Mori poll:Lab 38%SNP 29%Conservatives 12%Liberal Democrats 12%In summary, 5 out of 7 polls show Labour 9%+ ahead of the SNP. Mon 20 Sep 2010 15:43:23 GMT+1 Wansanshoo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=24#comment13 1 Ex Pat."However, next May should still be a two-horse race....although recent polls suggest the nationalist nag has bolted back to the starting gate."The YouGov poll for the SNP puts the party on 35% with Labour on 36%. While the Ipsos Mori poll conducted at the same time showed the SNP on 34% to Labour’s 37%. In both cases the SNP is in a STRONGER poll position than at this point prior to the 2007 election.Nuff said? Mon 20 Sep 2010 15:01:55 GMT+1 clammylegg http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=22#comment12 If one looks for 'Would an independent Scotland have a viable economy?' will show that the ConDem cuts forced on them by the mismanagement of the economy over 13 years is the problem. Happy searching and does RE's boss know he's taking drugs at work or do they ignore him as well. Mon 20 Sep 2010 14:59:06 GMT+1 Electric Hermit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=20#comment11 6. Reluctant-Expat"...as there was a lot of presumption from the nationalists that any Tory government will, without any doubt, see a "massive surge in support for the SNP!!"."You should beware of mistaking the desperate propaganda of the Tory/BLP alliance at Holyrood for anything akin to reality. Those of us who maintain some contact with that reality are very well aware of the fact that it was the BLP partner in that cosy little unionist cabal which sought to suggest that the SNP "wanted" a Tory victory in the UK general election.We are also aware that the SNP position was consistently expressed as being that it would make no significant difference which of the old parties won that election. As the last few decades have taught us, there is no meaningful difference between them.One more little bit of information which you might want to take on board. George Foulkes is NOT an SNP spokesperson. (The house rules prevent me telling you what he is.) He, or any other member of the unionist alliance, is the last person any sensible individual would go to if they genuinely wanted to know what the SNP's position was on any matter. Mon 20 Sep 2010 14:18:38 GMT+1 Dennistoundon http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=18#comment10 Given the Uk Election result it was the right thing to do for the Lib Dems to join a Coalition. where they haven't seemed likley to do the right thing is in stopping the tories cuts and their attempts to turn the UK into a Corporate Republic. Clegg's stance of I actually decided mid election that the Troies where right about the cuts but stayed quiet has cost shed loads of creditablity and I doubt he'll remain head of the party after the next UK election.EX-pat your theroy sounds total mince to me for a few reasons, 1st Mervyn Kings statment about how due too the cuts that will be made whoever makes them will be out of power for a generation. Secondly the jury will still be out on whether or not the cuts where a good thing and with most peoplein Scotland's defualt position being anti Tories why would people start voting for them? As for Cameron's place on the political spectrum I wouldn't be too sure I get the impression the market will say jump and Cameron will respond how high?I agree that the SNP will Struggle in the up coming election but fancy the Lib Dem to see the biggest losses. If this comes to pass it would be a shame to to see Mr Scott get the chop as really it will be the actions of Clegg that he's getting sacked for. Mon 20 Sep 2010 14:04:22 GMT+1 oldmack http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=16#comment9 Brian and commentators,Is there not a case for those pundits and commentators to this page and other media locations in these islands to leave their political membership affiliations on the breakfast table when they leave in the morning?In the past it was on the editor’s desk that the spike sat; to-day it appears there is no spike just spite.We receive Brian’s take on a selective amount of the political scene here in Scotland, as in the Scotsman and Herald, the unvarnished truth used to be the byword in journalism; to-day it certainly is the case that the truth is the last thing to be presented.The so-called major daily’s in Scotland are losing readers in such droves and haemorrhaging cash, like the banks and bankers their days are numbered.Brian the organization that puts your salary into your bank account will in the fullness of time also require sitting up and smell the coffee, in order for you to survive is it not about time you started to be a bit more than a gossipmonger and return to investigative journalism? Mon 20 Sep 2010 13:53:59 GMT+1 Electric Hermit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=15#comment8 3. Ecksfreelunch"Both the lib dems and tories in Scotland can focus their energy next May in retaining existing territory and with skilful tactical work can pose a few problems for both labour and the SNP."Predictions of a Tory resurgence in Scotland proliferate like predictions of the end of the world. And are just as credible. Mon 20 Sep 2010 13:53:27 GMT+1 Dunroamin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=13#comment7 Good news for the LDs:"Britain's finances have been given a double boost after upbeat forecasts from two leading analysts as Government spending cuts loom.Credit rating agency Moody's said the UK was able to meet its fiscal challenges and keep its AAA status despite a tough economic climate ahead.Moody's said a stable outlook for the rating was due to the Government's commitment to stabilise and eventually reverse the deterioration in its financial strength.The Treasury is planning a series of austerity measures, where it will cut public sector spending in an attempt to reduce the UK's massive debt level.Moody's added: "Government debt is also well-structured, thus limiting re-financing risk. Moreover, the UK economy appears sufficiently flexible and robust to grow moderately."The firm said the global financial crisis in 2008-09 had caused "serious long-term damage" to the country's balance sheet and the state of the banking sector was still "uncertain".This, coupled with slower growth among the UK's main trading partners, was "not conducive to allowing GDP growth to return to its pre-crisis trend rate", it added.But it also implied the top credit rating was not expected to change in the foreseeable future." Mon 20 Sep 2010 13:47:03 GMT+1 Electric Hermit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=11#comment6 1. Reluctant-Expat"...recent polls suggest the nationalist nag has bolted back to the starting gate."Which polls? Mon 20 Sep 2010 13:41:34 GMT+1 Dunroamin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=9#comment5 1. Re: "It has been assumed by certain sections of the electorate that the current Conservative government will turn out to be a close copy of the Thatcher administration with similar intentions and ideology.."Concerning the nationalists; for "assumed", you can comfortably substitute "relied upon", as there was a lot of presumption from the nationalists that any Tory government will, without any doubt, see a "massive surge in support for the SNP!!".However, not only have we not seen any such surge in the SNP's 1-3% pre-election lead over Labour, but SNP support has spectacularly imploded with many commentators no longer discussing 'who will win' but instead 'how many seats will Labour win by". Mon 20 Sep 2010 13:40:39 GMT+1 Anagach http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=7#comment4 I am assured by Mr Obsorne that the workshy are responsable for our current crisis and need to be deprived of the comfortable life style choices they have elected. It is at least refeshing to see the modern conservatives cease blaming single parent mothers and return to traditional Victorian myths regarding the legions of the able bodied but workshy poor. Mon 20 Sep 2010 13:40:29 GMT+1 Electric Hermit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=5#comment3 1. Reluctant-Expat"...Tory support within Scotland recover to pre-Thatcher levels..."Best laugh of the day so far. Mon 20 Sep 2010 13:38:54 GMT+1 Ecksfreelunch http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=3#comment2 Recent polls suggest the implosion of the lib dem voter base is a long time in coming. More than likely is a stubborn support level which throws a spanner in the works for the so-called two horse race next May. Both the lib dems and tories in Scotland can focus their energy next May in retaining existing territory and with skilful tactical work can pose a few problems for both labour and the SNP. Meanwhile both labour in Scotland and the SNP will scream we will cut less than you will until the voters say that they want something more sophisticated than that. Then Michael Moore will say you're getting your share of cuts anyway. Mon 20 Sep 2010 13:34:22 GMT+1 jakeponsonby http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=1#comment1 This post has been Removed Mon 20 Sep 2010 13:07:48 GMT+1 Dunroamin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/09/sitting_down_and_sorting_it_ou.html?page=0#comment0 I suspect the LDs will be held back in Scotland while they are in coalition with the Conservatives.At least in the short term.It has been assumed by certain sections of the electorate that the current Conservative government will turn out to be a close copy of the Thatcher administration with similar intentions and ideology. However, Cameron has repeatedly shown himself to be to the left of the Tory spectrum, considerably to the left of Thatcher, both within the Tory manifesto and also the coalition agreement, and such a similarity is unlikely.Subsequently, should the repeated predictions of doom, despair, destitution and destruction from Labour and the nationalists turn out to be no more than shrill rants, not only may Tory support within Scotland recover to pre-Thatcher levels but the LDs may also see their fortunes improve.However, next May should still be a two-horse race....although recent polls suggest the nationalist nag has bolted back to the starting gate. Mon 20 Sep 2010 13:02:01 GMT+1