Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html en-gb 30 Wed 17 Sep 2014 10:54:10 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html the voice of reason http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=99#comment188 There's no way labour in Scotland will agree with any coalition with the SNP.Alec Salmond will make demands which if granted will allow him to go to the Scottish elections next year and claim credit for achieving his demands on behalf of Scotland. That is a position that would cause Labour in Scotland great concern, lets face it on current discussions Nick Clegg is about to kill off the Lib Dems for a generation which will impact on the Scottish elections and it is to these voters both Labour and the SNP must look to in order for them to obtain their votes to determine who will lead in Scotland. Lets be honest this is no longer about the national interest it is murky politics at its best and does no credit to our politicians Tue 11 May 2010 11:01:59 GMT+1 D1senfranchised http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=98#comment187 To be fair, Reluctant-Expat made an *intentional* funny for once:"153. At 09:46am on 11 May 2010, Reluctant-Expat wrote:147. Global warming has melted all the icing." Tue 11 May 2010 11:01:26 GMT+1 Barbazenzero http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=98#comment186 #164 Auld Bob"Why would we bother?"I don't for a moment suggest that those who post here regularly need lessons from Harry Reid. This thread, however, seems to have a higher than usual proportion of posts concerned about the lack of "democracy" for England, many of whom will never have read an "old Labour" viewpoint in "their" MSM, and as you rightly demonstrate will have given little or no thought until now of the difference between England and the UK."The whole thing is the usual smoke & mirrors with a great lack [of] accurate fact."Quite so - very old Labour. Tue 11 May 2010 10:57:29 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=97#comment185 #158. At 10:07am on 11 May 2010, the Mods wrote:"This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules".Strange this - no abusive terms but still modded - this is getting very much like the mods are being much less than even handed as I've had several pulled inthis thread. Anyone know who we can complain to? If this is modded I will be adding it to a growing file for my eventual complaint to higher authority. Tue 11 May 2010 10:51:12 GMT+1 hamish42 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=97#comment184 Douglas Alexander is Brown's man. Will he have any clout with David Milliband at all, or is he about to have his wings clipped when the Labour infighting and repositioning begins as it surely will? Tue 11 May 2010 10:49:15 GMT+1 Barbazenzero http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=96#comment183 #160 Wee-Scamp"The danger of course is that whilst England may break away and turn permanantly Tory Scotland may end up being permanantly Labour. I'm not sure which of those would be worse."You're undoubtedly correct that England might well start off with a few decades of Tory rule as the "benefit" of their adherence to Disraeli's ideas of democracy for the masses. That would undoubtedly be a shame, but 39.6% of them having voted blue Tweedle this time they will at least have only themselves to blame.In Scotland, the situation would be entirely different thanks to the measure of PR already in place. Once the spectre of Thatcherism is expunged, as it would be by fiscal autonomy, let alone full independence, I find it hard to believe that even a real Scottish Labour party would ever be able to command an absolute majority at Holyrood. Tue 11 May 2010 10:44:41 GMT+1 handclapping http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=96#comment182 #160 Wee-ScampNo, Scotland cannot turn permanently Labour. Labour is a London centric unionist party with vague claims to a socialist heritage. As such it would not have any part to play in an independent Scotland.There may be, and I hope there would be, a Scottish socialist party but it would have to fight its corner against a probable Scottish "conservative" party and presumably a Scottish social democratic party born of the ashes of the SNP having achieved Independence. Tue 11 May 2010 10:43:01 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=95#comment181 Just a word to the mods, "Saltire", is not a dirty or abusive term and a link to the story about the Worlds very first national flag seems quite innocuous. Tue 11 May 2010 10:41:50 GMT+1 hamish42 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=95#comment180 The media are being (Kiplingesque) 'exceedingly good' at keeping the SNP out of the frame as being irrelevant. We shall see! Tue 11 May 2010 10:40:41 GMT+1 Sheneval http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=94#comment179 49. At 9:20pm on 10 May 2010, Chris Sheldrake wrote:"The only reason we have the current situation is because 'Brown refused to heed the will of the electorate' and is squatting in No 10"The Tories did not receive the votes of the majority of the electorate- they received a minority and under our unwritten cinstitution, Brown remains the PM until the current negotiations are concluded one way or the other.You may not like that but that is the position so your statement is untrue. Tue 11 May 2010 10:27:20 GMT+1 Barbazenzero http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=94#comment178 #155 hamish42"Sky News are taking up a ridiculous position"Spot on. Adam Boulton now presenting himself as a constitutional scholar and claiming it would be unprecedented for a party to stay in power for more than 8 years without a "mandate" from the electorate. Murdoch is obviously not a happy bunny. Just think how "balanced" his media coverage will be at the next general election. Tue 11 May 2010 10:16:19 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=93#comment177 Douglas Alexander says The Labour Party WILL NOT work with the SNP. He also wants the Conservative & Unionist Party to rule over his native country. Anyone know how his siblings view this matter? Tue 11 May 2010 10:06:36 GMT+1 rog_rocks http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=93#comment176 To Douglas Alexander;The differences between the SNP and Labour would be minimal if you dropped your Engish Unionist half. Labour won in Scotland only, your responsibility is to defend Scotland and stand up for our rights. At the moment the Scots have told you;No Tory Rule Here. Tue 11 May 2010 10:05:53 GMT+1 handclapping http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=92#comment175 #148 Recalcitrant-CowpatAh yes, Robertson overstates his case by just over 2% and that is lying through your teeth. You overstate your case by nearly 42% and that is ...?(RE claim support of 17 MPs; actuality 12, 11 LibDem 1 Con). Motes and beams spring to mind, unless you had already been told of the support of Murphy, Cairns, the screetchy womwn, Alexander et al. by the same voices in your head that had the LibDem leaders telling you of their plans.Try and get out more. Tue 11 May 2010 10:05:13 GMT+1 Barbazenzero http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=92#comment174 Wonderful quote from Bendy Wendy's wee brother on this website's live election coverage at 1023:Labour's Douglas Alexander says he "can't envisage circumstances in which we would enter into agreement with the Scottish National Party". Speaking to BBC Radio Scotland, Mr Alexander said neither he, nor the chancellor, the Scottish secretary nor the prime minister had made any contact with Alex Salmond's party about joining a coalition "because there were fundamental differences between the Labour Party and SNP".Another gem to be tucked away for the 2011 general election. I still think a blue/red Tweedle coalition is not out of the question with the real progressive alliance forming the opposition. Tue 11 May 2010 09:59:35 GMT+1 eye_write http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=91#comment173 From 'A matter of perception'194. brigadierjohnThanks. All nationalists raving about 'the English' and 'English rule' sound like ignorant, bitter, racist, foolish, petty, unintelligent, fanatical and irrational losers, to be quite frank. But that needs saying because promoting these attitudes sets the nationalist cause back decades. And I care about the nationalist cause, because its part of the future I want for the next generation. So it is them we are letting down if we do without thinking and indulge in wide ranging rants because we feel like it. It is the quickest way to get ignored, sidelined and ridiculed I know.It just takes one 'rabid' to swamp the blog with irritated comments to dilute and colour all nationalist posts so that they are lost. If you can't keep your temper in check then go away, you are no use to the nationalist cause today. Come back tomorrow. If you really care about the future and nationalism, then stop ruining it. Everyone who disagrees with that is plain wrong, simple. But I really shouldn't have to explain it to you. And it really just typifies all that the unionists say about you.The way forward is cool, sensible, balanced, compassionate, rational argument, with optional humour of course. We need not lower ourselves, we've nothing 'to prove'. Our case is sound. If we sound comfortably confident in it, others will follow. If we sound unsettled and unreasonable, who who want to. In fact the former is how wrong people appear right, and have convinced others (the British establishment) - but it's so easy to out bat them, because they are wrong! And the latter is how right people appear wrong. Ranting nationalists, you've got to sound like winners. That is how to be powerful.Note: It is the British establishment that is our problem, not the English - they have less democracy than we. And focusing on their attitudes is racist, as of course they don't just have only one, and a red herring. If as alleged the Brits do want to stoke up anti-Scottish feeling in the English, then 1. they are being manipulated, and 2. the Brits then want Scots to legitimise that by retaliating! Please, it is not difficult, can we be one step ahead.Prosperity is a product of good government, and I have no doubt that Scots are of course more than capable. Just look to your own children for proof. So please ranting nationalists, do not actively provide evidence for the contra-argument.Lastly, it would be amusing, Brig, to have the SNP 'listen to mother' and take heed of me. But alas, my input is leafleting and positive campaigning, largely on facebook. I'm not a member yet. I'm busy with 'my family's party'. And your endorsement does not scare me 8-) Tue 11 May 2010 09:58:33 GMT+1 ziggyboy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=91#comment172 There's been a comment on HYS asking when will the English get their say for England. It proves just how arrogant the English really are and how they don't give a fig for the rest of the UK.A deal with the Lib Dems could be good for Scotland with more powers for our own Government.Scotland will soon be totally fed up with the anti Scottish comments and could eventually get independence for us.I'm not a Nationlist but I for one am fed up listening to the English bleating on about the result of the General Election. It's time they moved on and stopped living in the dark ages. Tue 11 May 2010 09:55:44 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=90#comment171 #151. At 09:45am on 11 May 2010, Reluctant-Expat wrote:"Angus Robertson does it again on R5: "The Tories only polled 15% in Scotland."Oh! For Goodness sake! Why don't you grow up?For the umteenth time - overall pecentage of votes in Scotland has little relationship to the number of seats won in a ,"Westminster", election as these elections are," First Past The Post . They do have great relevance in , "Holyrood", elections because these are "NOT First Past The Post", . Got it? The Nationalists are saying a rise in the share of the vote in the Westminster elections bodes well for the Holyrood elections next year. Have you grasped the concept this time? Tue 11 May 2010 09:52:29 GMT+1 Electric Hermit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=89#comment170 142. Diabloandco"I do get angry with the " I love Scotland but ......""Very reminiscent of, "I'm not a racist, but....". Tue 11 May 2010 09:48:12 GMT+1 andrew http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=89#comment169 This post has been Removed Tue 11 May 2010 09:46:51 GMT+1 Barbazenzero http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=88#comment168 #151 Reluctant-Expat"Angus Robertson does it again on R5: "The Tories only polled 15% in Scotland.""Wow, what a heinous lie in understating the blue Tweedle vote by more than 1%. If he said it, I'm sure he's utterly contrite at his whopper.The trouble for you, though, RE, is that your your track record on quotes and links is not exactly unblemished. Quote a link to the source so that we can all hear it in context and judge for ourselves. Of more interest to the rest of us is the reason for your own desperation to appear relevant. Tue 11 May 2010 09:44:50 GMT+1 Electric Hermit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=88#comment167 137. highlandarab"Maybe its my memory playing tricks on me but as I scanned down the Inverness and surrounding areas ballot paper looking for the wee swirly SNP badge thing, I am sure one of the choices on the ballot paper was 'Scottish Labour Party' - can't remember whether it was old, new, or nu."Your memory is not playing tricks with you. The British Labour Party calls itself the Scottish Labour Party in a bid to fool voters. There is, of course, no such party. They get away with it because "Scottish Labour Party" is a registered description of the British Labour Party.Basically, it's just another of their lies. Tue 11 May 2010 09:44:28 GMT+1 Jim Stevens http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=87#comment166 I joined the Labour Party when I was a young steelwoker in the early 1970's and have remained a member ever since. I'm aghast at developments yesterday. Thank god for John Reid. The dance of the defeated that has now kicked off is simply appalling. How can we trust the Lib Dems after the way they have behaved in these negotiations. The notion of a progressive alliance with the SNP who campaigned on a platorm that there was some tartan option to avoid future cuts is the politics of Disneyland. The SNP's election campaign was wholly cynical and bogus and I see no prospect of a stable government with the Nats and the Lib Dems on board. We should heed the message of the electorate and go into opposition and regroup. Otherwise the Labour party and the Union will pay a heavy price. Tue 11 May 2010 09:42:42 GMT+1 rog_rocks http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=87#comment165 #135 Auld Bob"Two good reasons they don't. There is only "The Labour Party", and it is a Unionist Party. Thus its Westminster MPs are in the Union Parliament and the Labour Party policy is the UNION. The second reason is that Holyrood is a devolved branch of the Union Parliament and not an independent parliament."Hi Auld Bob :), Yeh I kinda knew that, I was actually having a simplified fantasy.If only things were that easy :) Tue 11 May 2010 09:41:23 GMT+1 Electric Hermit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=86#comment164 128. burntislandfifer"Obviously the scottish labour party is a section of the main labour party but they do have their scottish parliament leader Ian Gray."Not so "obvious" when they advertise themselves as if it was a distinct party. It is deception.And please don't use the words "Gray" and "leader" in the same sentence. It's very bad grammar. Tue 11 May 2010 09:38:52 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=86#comment163 #145. At 09:11am on 11 May 2010, Brownedov wrote:"Some of the posters here who are so concerned about the democratic defecit for England should the rainbow alliance thwart the blue Tweedles, could do worse than read Harry Reid's Union could be in jeopardy if the left doesn’t get it right in today's Herald".Why would we bother? The whole thing is the usual smoke & mirrors with a great lack accurate fact. The whole thing is laced with the usual silly stuffas, "Their English Tory Party". That Party is the ultimate, "UNITED KINGDOM PARTY", titled, "The Conservative & Unionist Party" . The English have this strange problem telling England & Britain and The UK apart. Mind you, it only seems to show to England's advantage. Tue 11 May 2010 09:35:32 GMT+1 Dunroamin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=85#comment162 Labour's Douglas Alexander says he "can't envisage circumstances in which we would enter into agreement with the Scottish National Party". Speaking to BBC Radio Scotland, Mr Alexander said neither he, nor the chancellor, the Scottish secretary nor the prime minister had made any contact with Alex Salmond's party about joining a coalition "because there were fundamental differences between the Labour Party and SNP".(GrannieAnne, just to let you know Douglas Alexander did not tell ME this.)Salmond has brilliantly burnt all his bridges (as he did with the banks) and looks highly unlikely he'll be in any coalition, alliance, grouping or pact. A hung Parliament may be "redolent with opportunity" but that opportunity will not be going anywhere near the SNP.Two possible governments and the SNP are nowhere near either.PC are looking okay and should play a strong role, perhaps along with the DUP. Tue 11 May 2010 09:32:36 GMT+1 Electric Hermit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=85#comment161 115. burntislandfifer"Why doesnt the scottish labour party invite Gordon Brown to stand as leader of the Scottish labour party..."Not least because there is no "Scottish Labour Party". There is only the British Labour Party. Tue 11 May 2010 09:30:53 GMT+1 hamish42 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=84#comment160 #150 Not sure if Brown's resignation is as clear cut or noble as you imply. Brown knew the game was up.Also: we can look forward to the sick (at the election outcome) and the dispossessed (of their expenses) being wheeled in to the Commons on stretchers for every vote.An arrangement with the SNP is very relevant if Labour wants a LibLab government that can work and be stable. The price, apart from loss of face, would be very reasonable.Are Murphy and Gray still as euphoric as they were on 7 May 2010? Tue 11 May 2010 09:24:10 GMT+1 Wee-Scamp http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=84#comment159 #145 BrowndeovI agree - almost. Where I disagree is that if the English at long last decide they have had their fill of outsiders spoiling their party then that's entirely up to them. The danger of course is that whilst England may break away and turn permanantly Tory Scotland may end up being permanantly Labour. I'm not sure which of those would be worse. Tue 11 May 2010 09:18:59 GMT+1 john http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=83#comment158 I would find it highly amusing if the SNP and PC went to the tories and said "For full fiscal autonomy for Scotland and a needs based barnett for Wales, you, David Cameron can have the keys to number 10 (also add in the scrapping of the Scottish office)"I might not like the resulting government, but it would almost be worth it to see the look on Nick Clegg's face (as well as that on Murphy's, Reid's, etc). I also think that whatever government we get, we're going to be up a brown stream without a method of propulsion, so we might as well have a laugh while we're at it. Keep us amused for the long cold winter ahead.John Tue 11 May 2010 09:09:23 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=83#comment157 This post has been Removed Tue 11 May 2010 09:07:51 GMT+1 rog_rocks http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=82#comment156 #129 NorthernSoulCool, you agree then, you'll also notice it was the LibDems who lost Dunfermline.Heh, I wonder what excuse the money ridden insurance company gocompare have? Tue 11 May 2010 09:00:54 GMT+1 TopScot http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=82#comment155 There are so many media comments re: what the election result meant & what the combination of a stable government should be. Am I alone in interpreting the result as suggesting that the UK wants a stable government (coalition or otherwise) to consist of at least representatives from conservative, labour & lib dems working together - with proprtional influence corresponding to the election result? Tue 11 May 2010 08:59:25 GMT+1 hamish42 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=81#comment154 Sky News are taking up a ridiculous position, with Adam Boulton now having had almost two standing up fights (on the brink of real fisticuffs) and a number of aggressive interviews (watch out for more today) with Labour party representatives about whether Labour was entitled to try to get a government with the Libdems. The truth is that Sky wants the Tory solution, they thought they had it and now they see that it could slip away. Sky are using the debates as one of the justifications for their posturing and now talk about unfairness when the whole concept of these debates was unfair. Sky's owner, Murdoch, can do almost anything he wants to manipulate the political situation in the UK to arrive at a solution which suits him (but not the electorate) and he is not even a UK national. Sky has no right to try to sell this situation as unfair. Tue 11 May 2010 08:54:30 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=80#comment153 #111 "jeez Bob am nae some green gilled SNP supporter min ! I ken some of them on here the likes of RE are fanatical anti SNP, but id just like to know why ? You see it with Iain Grey at FMQs and it makes you wonder if he actually likes his job. All that stress cant be good for him".1 - Och! There is no mystery about it. These people who have such, "Faith", "Credos", "Loyalties", call it what you will, are like religious maniacs- You know the kind of thing, "I believe in **** the father/mother almighty". So you say to them, "Why?", and they reply, "Because". You press the point, "Yes, but because of what?", and they say, "Because I believe". Got that? They believe in this mythical something because they believe in this mythical something. Have you not noticed they have no logical reason for their solidly held belief? listen to their mantra, question their creed, cast doubts upon their parroted answers and they then turn to hate. You, the questioner, become the anti-Christ figure in their fantasy World. They do not know why and they do not want to face why they do not.2 - Anyway best go have a lie down till you calm down a bit ;o)}The day I get upset about such matters the World will End, (for me that is as I'll be deid). I kid a bit, though(grin). Tue 11 May 2010 08:47:50 GMT+1 Dunroamin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=80#comment152 147. Global warming has melted all the icing. Tue 11 May 2010 08:46:14 GMT+1 andrew http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=79#comment151 This post has been Removed Tue 11 May 2010 08:45:51 GMT+1 Dunroamin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=79#comment150 Angus Robertson does it again on R5: "The Tories only polled 15% in Scotland."No, they didn't. They polled 16.7%.How did the SNP fare? 19.9%, was it? A teeny bit short of Labour's 42%?Classic nationalism: 'When it's all going wrong, lie through your teeth.' Tue 11 May 2010 08:45:23 GMT+1 ziggyboy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=78#comment149 Well you all thought Gordon Brown was just going to make a statement on the progress of the negotiations between Lbaour and the Lib Dems. I'll bet none of you (me included) thought he would announce he was steping aside as PM.As usual Mr Brown acted in a very dignified manner and I think dislpayed one of the qualities you need to do the job of PM. Let's hope his successor has watched and learned.As a Scot, proud of my heritage I am sad and dismayed that one of my countrymen has been treated in such a dreadful manner. Tue 11 May 2010 08:35:07 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=78#comment148 #117. At 02:48am on 11 May 2010, hamish42 wrote:"As the saying, goes, 'it’s not over 'till the fat lady sings.'.In the Westminster opera - The fat lady sings in The House of Lords.Nothing to stop a Labour Party with a leader called Lord Peter and a deputy, "Lord Raith". Tue 11 May 2010 08:27:28 GMT+1 Dunroamin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=77#comment147 Angus Robertson: "85% of voters in Scotland did not vote for the Conservative Party"Is that right? No, it isn't, is it. No.Can any nationalist get anything right? No, they can't, can they. No.(And 80% didn't vote for the SNP either, by the way. Let's not forget that.) Tue 11 May 2010 08:24:33 GMT+1 Bandages_For_Konjic http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=77#comment146 #138: Mike - "Iceland’s fall with the baking crisis"I know it's a typo and I know I'm being childish - but that made me smile. What next - the 'Arc of Confectionary'? Tue 11 May 2010 08:20:15 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=76#comment145 #116. At 02:20am on 11 May 2010, Ron McArthur wrote:"The Lib/dems have only one real option, support cameron".You have to be kidding? If you have not yet worked it out - The LD's have an overriding aim in all this. It is NOT grabbing some kind of immediate power by proxy. They know full well, that anyone gaining power now, is grasping a poisoned chalice. These will die from the poison. What they want is a fair voting system to allow them, the LD, to utilise the share of the English vote they have had, but not turned into actual seats, in the past many long years. Tue 11 May 2010 08:20:08 GMT+1 Barbazenzero http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=76#comment144 Some of the posters here who are so concerned about the democratic defecit for England should the rainbow alliance thwart the blue Tweedles, could do worse than read Harry Reid's Union could be in jeopardy if the left doesn’t get it right in today's Herald.I would particularly draw their attention to his: "It will be ironic if the Union eventually breaks up not because of anything the Scots or Welsh achieve but rather because the English at long last decide they have had their fill of outsiders spoiling their Tory party."His closing plea is very much in the old Labour manner of Michael Foot by asking who "speaks for the lost, the dispossessed, the powerless, the outcast, the weak, the exploited and the marginalised in England?"Thanks to "New Labour", the answer to that question has clearly been "nobody" for some time, but it rather demonstrates why the election result is win, win for those of us who believe in home rule and self-determination. If the blue/yellow coalition comes to pass it will drive Scotland and Wales in the direction of home rule whilst if the rainbow alliance prevails it will be England voting for self-determination next time. Tue 11 May 2010 08:11:58 GMT+1 Wee-Scamp http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=75#comment143 #113. GrannieAnneI am still very skeptical about the whole thing coming about but no one can say that the SNP brought about a Tory government. In the coming Holyrood election, this is important.Is it important? Surely it depends on how succesful or not this so called "Rainbow Alliance" is at solving the economic problems that Labour and Gordon Brown in particular have bequethed us. If as I suspect a Labour/LibDem alliance screws up the economy even further then people will remember the SNP offering to support it. That said of course Scotland will vote Labour regardless. Tue 11 May 2010 08:10:52 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=75#comment142 #115. At 02:09am on 11 May 2010, burntislandfifer wrote:"Why doesnt the scottish labour party invite Gordon Brown to stand as leader of the Scottish labour party and lead the scottish labour msp's into the next scottish parliament. A real politician would eat SNps lead away and re-invigorate labour folowing this demoralising campaign".Having, long times past, discussed politics with both Gordon and Alex in informal situations, I would not put money of Gordon Brown eating Alex Salmond. It there is real, "Statesman", within Britain's politicos that Statesman is Alex Salmond.Note - statesman,n. (pl. -men; fem. stateswoman, pl. -women) 1 a person skilled in affairs of state, esp. one taking an active part in politics.2 a distinguished and capable politician. Tue 11 May 2010 08:04:45 GMT+1 Diabloandco http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=74#comment141 " I love Scotland and have spent many happy summer holidays there. But I can’t help noticing that the Scots don’t love us; some actively dislike the English. The time has come for an amicable divorce, making Scotland no more than a good EU neighbour. "Did anyone read this woeful piece of drivel from Minette someone in the Sunday Times?Should someone not remind her of the anti French/German/ anyone but the English stuff that knocks around?I do get angry with the " I love Scotland but ......"I would like to know how she can follow up with that ridiculous conclusion. Tue 11 May 2010 07:53:08 GMT+1 Gordon1979 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=74#comment140 Unbelieveable, I personally hope that the traffic light coalition gets the go ahead and the Tories tell the Lib Dems to shove it. The rainbow coalition would be the most unstable government possible and when it breaks down in the next few months the Tories would win a landslide. Given the Tories lack of a mandate in Scotland however, should they form a government they really need to ensure that Sandy Salmond can't complain. Given the Labour mandate in Scotland I think it's in the best interests of the country for the Tories to be progressive and approach Labour to ask if Jim Murphy could possibly remain as Sec State for Scotland while remaining under the Labour Whip. Given that Scottish Labour hate the SNP even more than the Tories it could work, and could also begin to show more Scots that the Tories aren't the nasty party any more. Tue 11 May 2010 07:51:51 GMT+1 Mike http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=73#comment139 12. At 6:21pm on 10 May 2010, cwh wrote:“People are seeing what could happen in a PR system and I do not think they like it much.”PR gives a Parliament with a greater selection of views from the electorate.Parliament under PR is more democratic. Rather than the ‘dictatorship’ of a cabinet or leader which occurs under FPTP and its single party with a large majority of seats but often less than 50 % of the popular vote.First Pass the Post (FPTP), is blatantly undemocratic.It means so many people have a wasted vote.A party, as use to happen here in New Zealand, can get over 20% of the vote and only get two seats.This was the system here in NZ before we changed to MMP, (Mixed Member Proportional).However there are those in influence who want to revert to FPTP - they say it gives ‘strong’ government - you know the type of government that gets you into a war.If you want to know why in a referendum you should vote for PR is just look at the people who tell you not to.Kiwi Mike Tue 11 May 2010 07:46:40 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=73#comment138 Just in case posters here are under some kind of misapprehension about the funds the SNP are asking for as a price for support. It is NOT new money but Scottish funds held back for various reasons by the Westminster administration. Not as the media would you believe a traunch of, English", taxpayers money. Those funds are, Scotland's frozen money. Tue 11 May 2010 07:43:33 GMT+1 Mike http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=72#comment137 BBC News: Lessons from New Zealand in art of coalition building.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/election_2010/8665835.stmActually as one of thousands of Scots who live well and happy in New Zealand but who still have an interest in the Auld Country - this BBC Headline got me. Actually there are a few countries that the UK and especially Scotland could take lessons from: Denmark, Norway, Ireland, Finland, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Austria, Switzerland, Sweden, Belgium, Netherlands maybe even Andorra. Funny that after years of prosperity, Iceland’s fall with the baking crisis is just so popular with the Unionists and the BBC. They just love it. If I was a betting man I’d say Iceland will again have a higher standard of living than the West of Scotland before long. Still has I believe.KiwiMike Tue 11 May 2010 07:22:32 GMT+1 highlandarab http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=71#comment136 #122. Roll_On_2011#119 GrannieAnneBecause there is no such thing as a Scottish Labour Party.Maybe its my memory playing tricks on me but as I scanned down the Inverness and surrounding areas ballot paper looking for the wee swirly SNP badge thing, I am sure one of the choices on the ballot paper was 'Scottish Labour Party' - can't remember whether it was old, new, or nu.I did seem puzzled as my eye shot past it because I did think that they would maybe need to form a collition with the other (nu/new/old) Labout party to get up to 326.If someone contradicts me on this I would stand down, because my mind does - well - have a mind of its own, but I remember being surprised. Particularly after all the comments here about leaders and when did Murphy become a leader for the TV debates a' la Alba. Tue 11 May 2010 07:21:42 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=71#comment135 #106. At 01:21am on 11 May 2010, rog_rocks wrote:"I don't see why Labour shouldn't come home to Scotland and powershare in Holyrood with SNP for the good of Scotland and allow Mr Clegg to powershare in Westminster with Mr Cameron for the good of England?Two good reasons they don't. There is only "The Labour Party", and it is a Unionist Party. Thus its Westminster MPs are in the Union Parliament and the Labour Party policy is the UNION. The second reason is that Holyrood is a devolved branch of the Union Parliament and not an independent parliament. Tue 11 May 2010 07:21:07 GMT+1 Barbazenzero http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=70#comment134 The new Green MP was just on the Today programme saying she would support the rainbow alliance but that she didn't regard either the red or the yellow Tweedles as "progressive". How true. Tue 11 May 2010 07:19:34 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=70#comment133 #81. At 00:07am on 11 May 2010, GrannieAnne wrote:"The Holyrood election is going to be fun this year".So will next FM's Question time. Tue 11 May 2010 07:08:44 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=69#comment132 #77. At 11:57pm on 10 May 2010, cwh wrote:"It was pointed out on Newsnight tonight during the interview with harriet Harman that labour had a promise in their manifesto to hold a referendum on AV but now seem to be saying they will just legislate for AV and no referendum".Let me remind you that the SNP were asking for a referendum before the election but all the Westminster parties said they were against referenda in Scotland. So Labour are just keeping their promise about no referenda. BTW: the Tory party agreed with them. Tue 11 May 2010 07:05:12 GMT+1 redrobb http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=69#comment131 Certainly hope his (GB) real memoirs tell the truth and nothing but the truth, then again do these politicians know the difference? Job for life, he'll be elevated to the upper house can't see him being snapped up either via the financial industry or anyone willing to front a US lecture tour, certainly don't see him sitting round a table with the warring factions of the middle east. Certainly having anyone to replace him that has world statemanship qualities is certainly in short supply, and only ever found in the good ole' USA but that's the Holywood influenece............... Tue 11 May 2010 07:00:18 GMT+1 Wansanshoo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=68#comment130 Would it be fair to say that the voting system that the Tories endorse has bitten on the ass ? Tue 11 May 2010 06:32:50 GMT+1 Roll_On_2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=68#comment129 Brian, you say:The dilemma for Nick Clegg is this: he might find Labour more congenial, he might prise more from them in terms of political reform - but he might then find the wrath of the voters (in England) directed at him as he thwarts their apparent intention to turn away from Labour, if not entirely then substantially.Just taken the following of the tickertape:CCHQ Source: Staff Contracts Being Renewed for 5 Months + Looks like the Tories reckon we’re going to do it all over again in the autumn… Tue 11 May 2010 06:28:44 GMT+1 NorthernSole http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=67#comment128 95. rog_rocksPoliticians making TV never really works, they always look pretty cheesy.Can't really think of any TV political broadcast that would win a BAFTA. Tue 11 May 2010 06:14:13 GMT+1 burntislandfifer http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=67#comment127 Obviously the scottish labour party is a section of the main labour party but they do have their scottish parliament leader Ian Gray. My comment would be if Gordon Brown wished to still be involved in an area where he could make a difference to the people of Scotland, surely to Labour supporters with his experience alone he would be of enormous benefit to the "labour party". Tue 11 May 2010 06:02:56 GMT+1 ForteanJo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=66#comment126 #121 - "Interesting to see Celtic's chairman rubbishing of brown's decision to cuddle up to liberals whilst praising his decision to stand down."Well, this is because, by his own admission, an alliance with the Libdems would require the SNP to be involved and, like many in Scottish labour, he'd rather have a tory government that work with the nats. Tue 11 May 2010 05:57:48 GMT+1 ForteanJo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=66#comment125 #115 - "A real politician would eat SNps lead away and re-invigorate labour folowing this demoralising campaign."I take it you don't read any Mirror group newspaper. Labour are going to romp Holyrood next year, that's how confident they are. I expect they're in for a big dizzy but it's fun, if more than slightly nauseating, seeing the Grayman crowing meantime. Mind you, if Gordon wearing a smile looks unnatural, the grayman's grin looks completely painted on! Tue 11 May 2010 05:54:54 GMT+1 ForteanJo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=65#comment124 #106 - "I don't see why Labour shouldn't come home to Scotland and powershare in Holyrood with SNP for the good of Scotland and allow Mr Clegg to powershare in Westminster with Mr Cameron for the good of England?"Because England and Scotland are not independent of each other. Because Westminster decides Scotland's spending money. Be Westminster decides Scotland's energy/fishing/defence/etc. policies. Need more? Tue 11 May 2010 05:49:56 GMT+1 ForteanJo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=65#comment123 #80 - "Don't joke about it. I posted something a few weeks ago about him looking as if he was positioning himself for a shot at the leadership."There were plenty of TV pictures last night showing the viceroy cosying up to the Milliband. Going with every other time Spud has played his cards early, this will probably be the kiss of death to the millipedes' campaign. Tue 11 May 2010 05:44:18 GMT+1 ForteanJo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=64#comment122 #77 - "HH's reply about this not being true was not exactly convincing and as we all know Labour has form on promising in their manifesto to hold a referendum and then reneging."I think she was saying that if Clegg & co demanded the implementation of AV without a referendum, Labour would probably agree to it. Tue 11 May 2010 05:41:25 GMT+1 Roll_On_2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=64#comment121 #119 GrannieAnneBecause there is no such thing as a Scottish Labour Party.How true. But it makes you wonder how many Scots people, like tburntislandfifer, go to the Westmidden polls believing that they are voting for a ‘Scottish Labour Party’ when no such party exists. That the Scottish Labour Party is just the Northern contingency of the Labour Party a London centric setup based in London.As indeed are the FibDems and the Tories. Tue 11 May 2010 05:33:43 GMT+1 Calum McKay http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=63#comment120 History will judge brown as a failure and someone with dubious character, his comments on Mrs Duffy were perfectly in line with his character.No doubt like a lot of other north british labour people, he will re discover his Scottish-ness when in opposition.I would not trust him or his nb colleagues as far as I could throw them.Interesting to see Celtic's chairman rubbishing of brown's decision to cuddle up to liberals whilst praising his decision to stand down. C McK Tue 11 May 2010 05:22:09 GMT+1 LeftPonder http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=62#comment119 #89. At 00:34am on 11 May 2010, Auld Bob wrote:#24. At 7:22pm on 10 May 2010, clammylegg wrote:"Norway fourth best democracy. The reports singled out the USA (17th) and Britain's (23rd) poor results, partly to blame on measures adopted to fight terrorism".Britain does not have a democracy. . . .The Norway citation reflected the 2006 Economist Intelligence Poll.It is now outdated.The 2008 Poll showed USA (18th) and Britain (22nd).I have not viewed all of the details yet, so I do not know why "we"[US] went down, but "you"[UK] went up; I do not expect that these changes are Please return to your Scotland-vs-UK-vs-England free-for-all now; that is all I wanted to say. Tue 11 May 2010 05:17:18 GMT+1 GrannieAnne http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=62#comment118 115. burntislandfifer"Why doesnt the scottish labour party invite Gordon Brown to stand as leader of the Scottish labour party "Because there is no such thing as a Scottish Labour Party. Tue 11 May 2010 03:24:36 GMT+1 Ubinworryinmasheep http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=61#comment117 #111 Auld Bob.....'Have you not fathomed the Unionist views by this time?' jeez Bob am nae some green gilled SNP supporter min ! I ken some of them on here the likes of RE are fanatical anti SNP, but id just like to know why ? You see it with Iain Grey at FMQs and it makes you wonder if he actually likes his job. All that stress cant be good for him.Anyway best go have a lie down till you calm down a bit ;o)} Tue 11 May 2010 02:32:25 GMT+1 hamish42 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=61#comment116 Are the Millibands of this world really interested in the internal politicking of Scottish Labour? Would they really care if Murphy, Gray, Reid, Cairns et al were embarrased if the SNP was supporting a Westminster coalition. I suspect that such a coalition would would be keener to have a clean out of some of the Labour MSPs to save themselves some embarassment and start with a clean sheet.They will have bigger fish to fry and the opportunity to remain in power must be very attractive to them rather than waiting indefinitely for another opportunity which may not arise. David Milliband has been saving himself for this moment and even refused a position in Europe to achieve it. The few extra votes from the SNP could make all the difference at some point. Brown will have less of a say, even if he is still mootching around in Westminster before he resigns. If he is going to make it difficult for potential Labour leaders he will be turfed out sooner rather than later.As the saying goes, 'it’s not over 'till the fat lady sings.' Tue 11 May 2010 01:48:49 GMT+1 Ron McArthur http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=60#comment115 The Lib/dems have only one real option, support cameron. They asked for it, boy are they going to get it. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. The Rainbow Alliance, no crock of gold to be found there. All the parties who feel left out, just need to sit back and let the house built on sand, crumble, as it surely will and any way, is revenge not a dish, better served cold. Roll on the cameron years, don't think they will last as long as Mrs T's, but will be every bit as bitter and sore. Time will tell if the price was too high, or miracles really do happen. Tue 11 May 2010 01:20:19 GMT+1 burntislandfifer http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=60#comment114 Why doesnt the scottish labour party invite Gordon Brown to stand as leader of the Scottish labour party and lead the scottish labour msp's into the next scottish parliament.A real politician would eat SNps lead away and re-invigorate labour folowing this demoralising campaign. Tue 11 May 2010 01:09:56 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=59#comment113 #55. At 9:56pm on 10 May 2010, Chris Sheldrake wrote:"I've just worked out that even if Labour and the LibDems get their Scottish and Welsh MPs to vote in favour of matters which have nothing to do with them".So the elected United Kingdom MPs from the United Kingdom countries outside England have nothing to do with the things the Englisg United Kingdom MPs do in the United Kingdom Parliament that was built by united kingdom funds for united kingdom matters. England is NOT the united Kingdom. Get your own. Tue 11 May 2010 00:47:06 GMT+1 GrannieAnne http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=59#comment112 74. Wee-Scamp"Given the unionist parties at Hollyrood are simply extensions of the London based parties then issues such as the response to the minimum alcohol price proposals will be agreed by the party overall. Don't try to tell me that Gray doesn't discuss and agree policy with Murphy who is after all London Labour's rep in Scotland.And no, I hadn't forgotten that the SNP are seen as having been responsible for the fall of Labour that brought in the Thatcher era but Labour have done just as much if not more damage to the economy as the Tories achieved. The fact of the matter is that in terms of managing the economy they are just as bad as each other which in my view remains the strongest case for independence. "In your view and in my view. But Alex Salmond is very clear that our view does not match that of the plurality of Scottish voters--or Labour wouldn't have received as large a share of votes.The point I was making has nothing to do with whether Gray consults with his bosses -- of course he does. I said that Alex Salmond has already laid out the price for SNP support (or lack of opposition). Of course, this is no doubt negotiable but it has been fairly widely reported what he is asking which is largely financial and very much to Scotland's benefit.I am still very skeptical about the whole thing coming about but no one can say that the SNP brought about a Tory government. In the coming Holyrood election, this is important.With the comments from Tom Harris and his ilk--I would say if there is a Tory government it will be brought about by Labour. Tue 11 May 2010 00:42:42 GMT+1 Electric Hermit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=58#comment111 74. Wee-Scamp"And no, I hadn't forgotten that the SNP are seen as having been responsible for the fall of Labour that brought in the Thatcher era..."Only by those who don't know what they are talking about. In fact, the situation was similar to that which we have at present in that the British Labour Party had the choice between working with the SNP and letting the Tories in. Last time, they chose the Tories. This time? Well, we'll have to wait and see. But we know which way John Reid would go. And Jim Murphy. And Tom Harris, And Ian Gray. And David Cairns. Tue 11 May 2010 00:42:02 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=58#comment110 #53. At 9:45pm on 10 May 2010, Ubinworryinmasheep wrote:"Having read some or RE's posts elsewhere tonight ive come to the conclusion he has a deep rooted hatred of Nationalits ..along the lines of what we see from Grey on FM'q's ... Why is this RE ..did Alex Salmond kick your dug or something "?Have you not fathomed the Unionist views by this time? There are English posts on the blog tonight that show it in all its glory.Witness the English Claims on the Westminster Parliament as their very own and you should realise they think of themselves as THE UNITED KINGDOM and that they have every right to be squatters at Westminster and dish out devolution to the others. Note they fund themselves as the UK and attempt to prevent we lesser mortals from interfereing in THEIR parliamentary business as it is NONE OF OUR Business? Thus the Unionists think of themselves as insiders in their United kingdom and we are the outsiders in our devolved, and inferior, wee pretendy countries, with our wee pretendy parliaments and that we are too bloody stupid to manage our own affairs while they dole out OUR UK funds as if only they had a right to them and many of them screech at us those UK funds we contributed to are Theirs and English.Arrgh! Bang! There goes another blood vessel. Tue 11 May 2010 00:41:41 GMT+1 rog_rocks http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=57#comment109 PsIt would save a lot in expenses :) Tue 11 May 2010 00:30:18 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=57#comment108 #52. At 9:39pm on 10 May 2010, Chris Sheldrake wrote:1 - "Few people in England are trying to throw the Scots or the Welsh out of the Union".What UNION? We have three unequal devolved countries and one country that thinks it is the UK. That's neither a union or a democracy.2 - "If they want to go, it's their choice. But we must have fairness and that means the English PMs deciding on English issues. In practice this means a Conservative English Government because they have a 62 seat majority over all other parties in England and almost 3m more votes than Labour.Utter rubbish - the English are squatting in the UK parliament and their 533 MPs there are also representing England's domestic affairs. They are demanding that the other UNITED KINGDOM MPs should not dare interfere in their use of THE UNITED KINGDOM PARLIAMENT as the ENGLISH DEVOLVED PARLIAMENT and meanwhile the are funding themselves as THE UNITED KINGDOM. (and you have the hard neck to talk about fairness)?3 - It's a fact that English voters make up 86% of the UK electorate and England has 82% of the seats in the Commons. This despite the fact that Scotland and Wales are over represented. It takes many more English voters to elect a Conservative than it takes voters to elect a Scots or Welsh MP.Don't talk rot - EVERY MP in parliament is a UNITED KINGDOM MP - not English, not Scottish, not Welsh, Not Irish but BRITISH.#That is until they, THE ENGLISH ONES, become ENGLISH only and demand to use our UK parliament as their own English parliament. Get your own.Ach! I've had enough of attempting to answer this entire slanted English arrogant rubbish. Tue 11 May 2010 00:29:24 GMT+1 Electric Hermit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=56#comment107 70. Chris Sheldrake"He's absolutely right and has gone up in my estimation for standing up and telling the truth"People cannot be relied upon to tell the truth when they are motivated by irrational hatred. Which means you can't believe anything a unionist politician says when the SNP is involved. Trust me on this! Reid would be telling a very different tale if the progressive alliance didn't require the nationalist parties. Tue 11 May 2010 00:27:58 GMT+1 Ubinworryinmasheep http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=56#comment106 why are we waiting (bangs imaginary forks on table) why are we waiting. If i had a tv licence i would be refusing to pay it because of the moderation times on here ! Tue 11 May 2010 00:23:19 GMT+1 rog_rocks http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=55#comment105 I don't see why Labour shouldn't come home to Scotland and powershare in Holyrood with SNP for the good of Scotland and allow Mr Clegg to powershare in Westminster with Mr Cameron for the good of England? Tue 11 May 2010 00:21:30 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=55#comment104 #50. At 9:26pm on 10 May 2010, grownbordon wrote:"From the Telegraph How do you solve a problem like Scotland. The ignorance shown in the comments, is unbelivable. Anyone care to redress the balance"?I don't even need to read the daft paper to answer. I've been highlighting the real problem for years.The problem is the undemocratic nature of Three unequaly devolved countries and one still seeing itself as the UK. There are two solutions.Four independent nations or Four Equal Devolved countries with a small common and federal upper house.There is another but it is unthinkable - a return to pre-devolution Britain. Tue 11 May 2010 00:17:01 GMT+1 oldnat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=54#comment103 70. Chris Sheldrake"John Reid.... standing up and telling the truth"Indeed he did. Labour prefer a Tory Government - despite Scotland having voted overwhelmingly against it.That's worth repeating - Labour prefer a Tory Government. Tue 11 May 2010 00:13:28 GMT+1 oldnat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=53#comment102 69. Chris Sheldrake"That's why Clegg is so keen on a fixed term parliament."Actually, most systems in the world have fixed term parliaments! The English constitution is one of the oddities that has the political leader of the country exercising monarchical power and deciding when the electorate are allowed to have a voice.Are you one of the political class that wants to have ultimate power in the hands of politicians instead of the people? Tue 11 May 2010 00:11:02 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=53#comment101 #49. At 9:20pm on 10 May 2010, Chris Sheldrake wrote:30. At 8:00pm on 10 May 2010, GrannieAnne wrote:" Only someone who can count on a majority in the HoC can form a government. At the moment, Mr. Cameron can not do that".This is not correct.If Brown had done the honourable thing and resigned on Friday, constitutionally the Queen would have called on Cameron, as the leader with the largest number of seats, to try and form a Government.The only reason we have the current situation is because Brown refused to heed the will of the electorate and is squatting in No 10"Rubbish!The unwritten constitution states that Brown must remain in office until a government with a majority is formrd OR until ,"the parties", agree who is to become the next PM. There are laid down rules and Brown is within them. If he was not the advisors would soon let him know. Tue 11 May 2010 00:08:44 GMT+1 oldnat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=52#comment100 64. NorthernSole"Dunfermline"When posting on a political blog, it's normally useful to have at least a minimal knowledge of politics.Go look up which party won the Dunfermline by-election. Tue 11 May 2010 00:06:08 GMT+1 GrannieAnne http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=52#comment99 69. Chris Sheldrake"Sorry, GrannieAnne, you're wrong again.Had Brown resigned, it's certain that Cameron would be PM."Not certain, but I will give you that no party would be eager to be seen to force another election and only the Tories could afford one. Tue 11 May 2010 00:01:28 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=51#comment98 #37. At 8:27pm on 10 May 2010, Ferguspuskas wrote:"Finally Brown goes after the damage is done. The man is no more a socialist than his declared heroine Margaret Thatcher. Perhaps Labour can now courageously move away from their blue tinged 'New Labour' misadventures and return to a party with a concern for the individual rather than the capitalist exploiters they currently favour such as the banks Brown did so little to rein in".Of course they cannot. They are a UK wide party and the UK has been a myth since unequal Devolution began and while England were not devolved. The English Labour party and the Scottish labour party cannot exist until we are either independent or devolution applies equally to all UK countries. Mon 10 May 2010 23:59:17 GMT+1 Electric Hermit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=51#comment97 64. NorthernSole"I think Alec has little chance of being involved in any coalition..."If you are referring to First Minister Salmond, his name is Alex.And the SNP has already ruled out being part of any coalition. Which Alex Salmond would not have been involved in anyway, as he is no longer an MP.One question. Why do you go to so much trouble to demonstrate that you know absolutely nothing about politics? Mon 10 May 2010 23:58:35 GMT+1 Electric Hermit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=50#comment96 64. NorthernSole"By most observers viewpoint the SNP had a pretty disastrous campaign. The loss of Glasgow East and Dunfermline was more than a set back, in no way can be spun ass progress."I see Reluctant-Expat taught you all he knows about politics. The SNP couldn't lose Dunfermline West. See if you can figure out why. Mon 10 May 2010 23:54:43 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=50#comment95 #36. At 8:26pm on 10 May 2010, InfrequentAllele2 wrote:1 - "It's the best bit of political theatre for years. Despite getting his bottom soundly spanked, Brown is still PM and could still be PM for months. Labour are ripping up the British Constitution, shredding it, and using it as bedding for hamsters".Poor wee beastios lying on bare boards - we have no written constitution to shred.2 - "The LibDems are stuck between the Devil and the Deep Blue Tory Sea. The Tory bloggers are screaming foul and want to set up an English National Party".I've been telling them that for years. They were not upset while robbing Scotland's assets were they?3 - Remember my posts about failed democracy now? Mon 10 May 2010 23:54:27 GMT+1 rog_rocks http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=49#comment94 #64 NorthernSole"The loss of Glasgow East and Dunfermline was more than a set back"Err for who?SNP lost 1, Glasgow East and won 1 :) Banff an Buchan, although they had it, SNP still have 1 new MP with Dr Eilidh Whiteford + about 2% total vote share up.Although SNP didn't gain any seats, given that the electorate in Scotland were mainly concerned with the fear of the Tories, and gullibly voted Labour, as usual, to keep Tories out, it wasn't too bad. Wait for next years Scottish general to see how it looks; especially if Labour betrays us, they already say they will.LoL, I would say that what was bad about their campaign was the TV party election broadcast, it was a bit chringesville :)Sometimes I quite like bad B movies like Hell goes to Frogtown or sometimes even cheesy rock like Judas Priest LoL but not that party election broadcast, it was almost as annoying as gocompare and am sure that this is what lost them a few votes :) Mon 10 May 2010 23:54:03 GMT+1 Electric Hermit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=49#comment93 56. Wee-Scamp"What's more the English will be surprised that the SNP seem willing to get into bed with Labour/LibDems..."Nothing surprising about that. The SNP made no promises to the electorate in England. It is perfectly right and proper that the SNP should listen to the voice of the people of Scotland. For weeks we've been told that the SNP was irrelevant in the context of the UK. Well! It certainly isn't irrelevant in the context of Scotland.It says a lot about the SNP's principles and priorities that it is prepared to thole an alliance with unionist parties if this is in the best interests of the people of Scotland. Mon 10 May 2010 23:48:42 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=48#comment92 #35. At 8:21pm on 10 May 2010, enneffess wrote:"Progressive Alliance? OK, when it comes to non-Scottish issues, the SNP will of course not participate in any vote. So what happens when Cameron calls in a vote of confidence which will almost certainly force an election"?There is no agreement to prevent the SNP voting on any UK issue. If the United Kingdom, (i.e., the non-devolved England), wants freedom from UK MPs voting on UK matters then all they need is their own parliament and equal devolved powers for all. Mon 10 May 2010 23:48:10 GMT+1 Auld Bob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=48#comment91 #34. At 8:11pm on 10 May 2010, alankennedy wrote:"The only difference i can see would be border guards patrols at carlisle, checking passports if you want to go south of gretna".So we will be all right going to the rest any European Union country but will have passport controlls at the Scottish/English borders?Aye! Richt! Mon 10 May 2010 23:43:43 GMT+1 Electric Hermit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=47#comment90 55. Chris Sheldrake"How can that makeshift coalition claim any democratic legitimacy in England whatsoever ?"That's the great British constitution for you. Never seemed to bother anybody south of the border when Scotland had a Tory government imposed on it. Maybe all that is happening now will bring home to people in England that what the SNP has been saying for decades is correct. The union is broken, redundant and anachronistic. Let's end it now before it does any more damage to relations between two great nations. Mon 10 May 2010 23:43:09 GMT+1 Electric Hermit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2010/05/moving_on.html?page=47#comment89 52. Chris Sheldrake"But we must have fairness and that means the English PMs deciding on English issues. "So now it's no longer the UK. All through the election we were told that Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish parties - and those who vote for them - were "irrelevant" because this was a UK election. Well! If it's a UK election then all the MPs elected to the UK Parliament are entitled to vote in any matter before the UK Parliament.If you don't like it, take your complaints to the unionist parties. They're the ones who insist of maintaining this situation. Mon 10 May 2010 23:36:50 GMT+1