Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html en-gb 30 Thu 10 Jul 2014 06:04:00 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html dudesteven_g http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=99#comment378 "I have no excuses for the poor performance at Liverpool, who were the better team and deserved their win," Ferguson said. "I was disappointed because we didn't perform to the level I expect and which, to be fair, we generally achieve."Yep, sounds like a right sore loser doesn't he..... Thu 10 Mar 2011 16:58:22 GMT+1 jem http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=99#comment377 p.s. I meant apart from the ones they have on the sofa already. Thu 10 Mar 2011 14:32:12 GMT+1 jem http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=99#comment376 instead of fergie talking to match of the day, maybe they could get a couple of city and liverpool supporters to give an unbiased version of events. if it's not past their bedtimes. Thu 10 Mar 2011 14:12:27 GMT+1 Blue Moon http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=98#comment375 Ferguson not speaking to the press is a treat, he has no ability for impartial comment, is self-obsessed, thinks the world is against him and, instead of being forced to speak, should be banned from saying a word. Although if that happened, he's probably never cease talking, so probably better to leave it as it is. Thu 10 Mar 2011 14:00:46 GMT+1 The Trawler http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=98#comment374 along with the other 200 posters saying the same thing, you already do have a right not to hear fergie. thanks for your contribution though. Thu 10 Mar 2011 12:41:58 GMT+1 kotakinabalu http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=98#comment373 I think we have a right NOT to hear Ferguson. Just like we have a right to be protected against any kind of assault, deception, public nuisance. Thu 10 Mar 2011 12:05:01 GMT+1 jem http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=98#comment372 hang on, trawler... the problem here is hardly selective editing or misreporting of fergie's comments. Thu 10 Mar 2011 12:01:56 GMT+1 The Trawler http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=97#comment371 so in summary: some think he should blank the media because they don't report honestly anyway. whilst others think he should continue his silence because they aren't interested - one or two, coaltion and stepford sheep in particular, both think this 25 times each.the answer is that, just as with any manager, yes we do have a right to hear what fergie thinks. unfortunately due to the mangled way fergie's words in particular are reported, the selective way his words are edited and presented, and the ridiculous restrictions placed on him by the authorities, it is very rare that we are ever afforded that right. Thu 10 Mar 2011 10:42:56 GMT+1 jem http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=97#comment370 coalition, fergie not talking after the liverpool game had nothing to do with it being liverpool or with the game itself (hard as it is for you to appreciate that not everything revolves around a club that used to be famous). it was purely due to the reaction to his comments after the chelsea game. the idea that dalglish has in any way put his nose out of joint is just wishful thinking on your part.united supporters are not blind the debt. you should have a little more sympathy as a similar crime was being perpetrated against your own club.no more worrying comment on here than that the stepford sheep is an occasional referee. I am sure he thinks he's a very good referee, though. Thu 10 Mar 2011 10:08:28 GMT+1 jamews http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=97#comment369 What is the point of interviewing any manager after a game as we all know what they wil say.Why do we also have pre match interviews as again it achieves nothing.I never watch any TV game only the game, if its 4 pm KO I go to the game after Martin Tyler has SCREAMED " AND ITS LIVE.hALF TIME i DONT WATCH AND AS SOON AS THE FINAL WHISTLE GOES i SWITCH OVER. Thu 10 Mar 2011 08:27:40 GMT+1 jamews http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=97#comment368 Typical BBC a news reporter is now the sports reporter Thu 10 Mar 2011 08:23:35 GMT+1 Dave http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=96#comment367 Ferguson is being paid vast sums to provide a ‘service’ to paying supporters and subscribers. They are entitled to an explanation of why their service was sub-standard in the same manner as if their car or home had a ‘bad paint job’ or they received poor service in a restaurant! Ferguson needs to realise that he and United are not that great; ultimately, the man lacks INTEGRITY. Thu 10 Mar 2011 08:06:41 GMT+1 stathams_pies http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=96#comment366 As its only the BBC who Fergie and now seemingly Utd won't talk to the answer would seem fairly easy to me.The BBC may be contractually obliged to show premier matches, but as those of us who support teams other than the top six teams in the premier league know the amount of time given to some games/teams and the slot they get on MOTD is not equal.Why not give Utd the 2 minutes at the end of the program that is usually given to the Wigans and West Broms of this world.Then when the Utd fans start moaning point them in the directio of their own manager.Job done Thu 10 Mar 2011 07:30:09 GMT+1 itsdavehere http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=96#comment365 Wasn't the reason he stopped talking to the BBC was that they (the BBC) did a stitch-up job on one of his sons? Thu 10 Mar 2011 05:59:18 GMT+1 wba http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=96#comment364 there are 2 things that could be done 1.do nothing and get the broadcaster to talk about the game they had (like they are now) or tell them no media no money from the media/media coverage Thu 10 Mar 2011 00:11:58 GMT+1 TheFin10 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=95#comment363 The Man Utd fans defend Ferguson, the Liverpool fans and a few others take shots at him. Everyone misses the point. It's not an Man Utd issue. It about whether anybody should have the choice about speaking to the media. If they do they are damned if they don't they are damned. If it's not people moaning about Ferguson' silence then it's the FA trying to silence any criticism aimed at them or the refs. What's the point of speaking to the media anyway if you can't say what you want? Wed 09 Mar 2011 23:56:07 GMT+1 Magic_Arsenal_thefinalcountdown http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=95#comment362 AF scared? Wed 09 Mar 2011 23:46:40 GMT+1 xpl0de http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=95#comment361 he has signed a legally binding contract which requires him to talk to various media outlets, including the BBC. If he does not, he is in breach. Why should the club and the fans pay for this behaviour. And lets just examine the behaviour of him and his sons regarding transfers, loans and agents....oops. Wed 09 Mar 2011 23:38:42 GMT+1 Simon http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=94#comment360 Perhaps if we all ignore him, he'll go away. I really don't care what he's got to say, it's normally whining anyway! He's a great manager, there's no denying. He is, I believe, the most successful manager in English league history too. He is a very small man though. As a man, I have absolutely no respect for him. He'll never be remembered with the fondness that greats such as Paisley, Busby and Nicholson are, to name a few, because he can be such a nasty little man. The only person that needs to do any growing up is Alex Ferguson. I suggest that no-one calls him 'Sir' until he starts acting like one. Blanking the BBC et al. is one thing, blanking your clubs own media channels is pathetic and I'd argue mis-conduct. If I were a United fan, I'd be livid! Don't forget who pay your salary, Alex... Wed 09 Mar 2011 23:30:10 GMT+1 sam161 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=94#comment359 This post has been Removed Wed 09 Mar 2011 23:20:11 GMT+1 john hall http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=94#comment358 who cares? It's been a nice week for everyone. Long may the silence continue. Wed 09 Mar 2011 23:07:55 GMT+1 TheFin10 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=94#comment357 Who do the media think they are, demanding that people give interviews? Even before the contractual issue arose the BBC were moaning about Sir Alex not giving interviews. It doesn't matter which manager it is. If they don't want to speak to the media, tough. Nobody should be forced to speak to the media. The media seem to have this strange notion that it is some kind of human right for the public to know about everything about everything and that the media are the enforcer of this. Let's not have any interviews at all. The media can then just invent the stories like they always do anyway. Wed 09 Mar 2011 23:03:24 GMT+1 redintweed http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=93#comment356 DuncanR47, are you the full quid? Saying that because Raphael got kicked it was all right to make a 2 footed, studs up challenge on Lucas is just plain crazy. Next time someone cuts me off in traffic, you won't mind if I T Bone you and write your car off. That is the sad logic that you have used to justify your point of view.For heaven's sake, review what you have written and see if it makes sense next time. Wed 09 Mar 2011 22:42:25 GMT+1 redintweed http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=93#comment355 It does get a bit tiring reading the totally uninformed Man Utd fans bleating that it is them vs the world and how harshly treated they are. For heavens sake, give it a rest. Fergie has ignored the rules for years. Is David Gill going to be charged for confronting the referee in the tunnel? Not likely. If any other club CEO acted in the same way there would be an uproar. If Wenger or Mancini refused to speak to the press I'll wager next weeks wages that the FA would fine them. there has for some time been two sets of rules, one for Man Utd and one for the rest. If Fergie doesn't want to fulfill the clubs contractual obligations, take a percentage of their TV money away. Without it they will soon not be able to afford to buy top players. The FA have to grow a set. I will also wager that Man Utd would never refuse a UEFA press conference. They are not top dog in that league, they are just another team. I also feel that the TV networks need to take a stand. With Utd's debt situation, that will not be top for much longer. The likes of Man City will soon overtake them and then it will be very interesting to see if the networks put up with Man Utd throwing the toys out of the cot then! When Fergie had a shot at Torres for diving the reporters never said a word about Nani falling over every time a player ran past him. It would be great to see the reporters stand up to Fergie. Oh I forgot, it will never happen! Grow up Fergie, you are a great Manager who has done it all in the game. Start acting a little more dignified. Wed 09 Mar 2011 22:30:20 GMT+1 comical8163 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=93#comment354 Whilst I don't think Fergusons stand is the correct one to take for a man of his stature, I do understand it to a degree. We ask the managers for their opinion, they give it how THEY see it and then get fined or banned. The FA write into their contracts the rules of having to do media and then want to censor it if they do not think its right or too critical. This means that all we get is the standard pack drill answers. I think we should take the pundits off the air as well because they never give a true opinion either, it's just jobs for the boys and towing the football party line. So, No talking just football, it's almost like going to a match? Reporters should ask the right questions, managers and players should answer them honestly without fear of being fined, sued or banned. Whatever happened to the land of free speech? Wed 09 Mar 2011 22:29:35 GMT+1 Lee http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=93#comment353 This post has been Removed Wed 09 Mar 2011 21:24:56 GMT+1 Lee http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=92#comment352 This post has been Removed Wed 09 Mar 2011 21:14:04 GMT+1 ZiDean http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=92#comment351 Sir Alex Ferguson refuses to talk to the BBC - NOT the media. The BBC accused his son of criminal involvement/activity within the game, proved untrue, false. Why doesn't the BBC formally apologise to Sir Alex - his son - and to the BRITISH PUBLIC for shoddy journalism. Afterall the BBC is OUR company. Sir Alex regularly gives interviews to SKY et al. Also, I am pretty sure it is a Human Right to talk when they want and when not to. In Iraq weve been fighting to give people basic human rights or so im told daily...why anyone other than a neutral or Man Utd fan is commenting on this post either is beyond me...worry about your own clubs. I support Man Utd yes, but i dot access Sir Alex through the BBC alone, I can hear Fergie in a newspaper, on MUTV, SKY - wherever else. I think ALL biased or simply FALSE media reporting should be dealt with in the strictest possible manner and to the full extent of the law. We are lied to constantly by the media...it has to stop. I am a huge supporter of the BBC because they are simply the last bastion of media to keep alive items of cultural interest, they provide excellent entertainment, some movies too have been great. The BBC news is generally the least biased on television, but they are in the wrong here. Wed 09 Mar 2011 21:08:24 GMT+1 The Trawler http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=92#comment350 This post has been Removed Wed 09 Mar 2011 20:55:46 GMT+1 CoalitionOfTheWilting http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=92#comment349 Otherwise, it's not a blog and don't pass it off as one.I hate the BBC for this utter copout - these are journalists, not the man in the street and they have an agenda.All the idiots bleating would be better served looking into the utter shambles the BBC football site has become over the last three years. Wed 09 Mar 2011 19:58:26 GMT+1 CoalitionOfTheWilting http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=91#comment348 This post has been Removed Wed 09 Mar 2011 19:56:46 GMT+1 CoalitionOfTheWilting http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=91#comment347 The deathly silence speaks volumes. Wed 09 Mar 2011 19:55:46 GMT+1 CoalitionOfTheWilting http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=91#comment346 "What is the difference between Sir Alex not talking and Dalgliesh refusing to comment on the tackle made by Carrigher and saying lets just talk about the game on the field?"The difference is that, after years of getting away with murder, Man Utd fans are now up in arms.Some of them need a slap round their face to drag them into the reality of their situation."We're top of the league!"And good for you.You're nearly £1bn in debt, no matter what your CEO tells the country.And he's just sat and took the **** out of the fans who actually care.But keep those blinkers on, keep buying Bebes and Obertans, Andersons and Berbatovs.Utd is one of the two biggest clubs in the country. Its fans have become pawns.Who'd have thought. Wed 09 Mar 2011 19:50:09 GMT+1 Tony Bowling http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=91#comment345 Although reluctant at the start I thoroughly enjoyed this entertainingly written blog and it ended with a very sensible and important point that football is about the game itself not the comments afterwards. Including mine! I'd like to add too that a person (ANY person) should have the right to not communicate if they do not want to. Wed 09 Mar 2011 19:45:11 GMT+1 RonD http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=90#comment344 What is the difference between Sir Alex not talking and Dalgliesh refusing to comment on the tackle made by Carrigher and saying lets just talk about the game on the field? Sure Rafiel made a poor tackle but he was kicked in the thigh just seconds before with no penalty given on that play. And why is it that players and managers can be spoken about when they do wrong but referees are not to be spoken about? Not only not spoken about but never admit to making mistakes. Look at Van Persie being sent off for kicking ball seconds after whistle! Week after week we see poor judgements made by referees and all kinds of excuses made for them. If they cannot manage to referee because game is too fast them maybe they need electronic assistance like in rugby and American football where they can check to see if there was an error. I agree everyone can make a mistake but if we must accept that then they must accept criticism. Wed 09 Mar 2011 19:37:30 GMT+1 CoalitionOfTheWilting http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=90#comment343 Personally, I just think his nose has been put well out of joint by the return of Kenny.He doesn't like it and it's obvious.Not talking to anyone after a Liverpool game?It's unheard of. Wed 09 Mar 2011 19:37:03 GMT+1 4everEng http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=90#comment342 I understand the decision to not talk to the press after the Liverpool game was premeditated...huh! Obviously still sulking from the week before! Nobody likes a bad loser and lets not forget, nobody told Sir Alex to say those things he did after the Chelsea game. I think that Man Utd have been on the right side of many bad decisions over the years. Grow up Man Utd and take defeat on the chin like most others. Wed 09 Mar 2011 19:35:11 GMT+1 CoalitionOfTheWilting http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=89#comment341 "I would say the opposite. Managers should never give interviews. What is the point of listening to Steve Bruce moaning about one thing or the other, or Wenger when he looks like he just drank a half a bottle of vinegar and wahsed his face with the other half, or Avram Grant who looks like he is just about to be sentenced to life behind bars, or Roberto Martinez after he lost for the 100th time and still putting on a brave face, or a broken and spent Hodgson? Nobody want that. Save them the misery and ban them from talking to the press."In that case, we should never hear from a director of a film.Or a company, for that matter.What a ridiculous statement. Wed 09 Mar 2011 19:34:14 GMT+1 almost in range http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=89#comment340 ive just reread the original article again (top marks by the way, passion isnt objective nor is it often witty so i agree with laughing devil, good script!) ah yes my point, the original article...trappist beer...worth trapping! Wed 09 Mar 2011 19:31:43 GMT+1 Bertie Button http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=89#comment339 CoalitionOfTheWilting wrote:336,The average football fan is a blinkered soul.But the average Man Utd fan is blind to everything that's wrong about their club.They think nothing will ever go wrong, nothing has ever gone wrong, every buy they've made is a masterstroke, every bad signing is just a damn lie, every loss is the ref's fault (or Jamie Carragher's), every dive is a trip, every loan is a bond, the first 6 years of Ferguson is what everyone else should do now...the list is endless.It's amazing that 330m fans can't change the direction of a club. Liverpool got their idiots out. And it kills them,-------------------------------------------------------------------------I agree. Wed 09 Mar 2011 19:25:02 GMT+1 A wet windy night in Stoke http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=89#comment338 14. At 4:14pm on 08 Mar 2011, Lokacious wrote:The Premier League should force ALL managers to have a post match interview._________________________________________________________I would say the opposite. Managers should never give interviews. What is the point of listening to Steve Bruce moaning about one thing or the other, or Wenger when he looks like he just drank a half a bottle of vinegar and wahsed his face with the other half, or Avram Grant who looks like he is just about to be sentenced to life behind bars, or Roberto Martinez after he lost for the 100th time and still putting on a brave face, or a broken and spent Hodgson? Nobody want that. Save them the misery and ban them from talking to the press. Wed 09 Mar 2011 19:24:46 GMT+1 CoalitionOfTheWilting http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=88#comment337 336,The average football fan is a blinkered soul.But the average Man Utd fan is blind to everything that's wrong about their club.They think nothing will ever go wrong, nothing has ever gone wrong, every buy they've made is a masterstroke, every bad signing is just a damn lie, every loss is the ref's fault (or Jamie Carragher's), every dive is a trip, every loan is a bond, the first 6 years of Ferguson is what everyone else should do now...the list is endless.It's amazing that 330m fans can't change the direction of a club. Liverpool got their idiots out. And it kills them, Wed 09 Mar 2011 19:19:55 GMT+1 laughingdevil http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=88#comment336 First off this is the best sports Blog I've read on the BBC in years.Perhaps it's beacuse you aren't a sports "hack"?As a UTD fan I find the whole situation amusing.The FA bring charges against SAF for what he says to the media after the Chelsea match, now after the Liverpool match you can be pretty sure he'd have some similar comments to say. I'm sure he knows it too. There was only one thing that was going to happen if he came out an that was more hot water for the FA.IMO if the FA/PL want to enforce news conferances then those offical conferances should be immune from reprisals that don't come under criminal law.As a UTD fan I remember back in the day SAF used to get in much more trouble, since he stopped talking to most of the media, and not as soon after the match, that stopped happening.Giving managers an hour or two to calm down is no bad thing. That's not just SAF, Redknapp, Wenger and many others could do with a bit of time some times.The FA/PL is being unreasonable and trying to enfoce conferances that no one wants to attend becaue they aren't allowd to talk about the ref. Wed 09 Mar 2011 19:17:30 GMT+1 almost in range http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=88#comment335 i hadnt realised this blogging lark is actually quite amusing reading the comments... i have had a few beers mind.as far as i can tell the world is defined by man utd feeling, ie;those that love them, irrationally and all that is man uthose that hate them, irrationally and all that is man ueverybody else...and ofcourse everything in between.now all i want from any fan is to give me a sound reason to see it from their point of view, but can a fan really do that??? for me that's the rub. Wed 09 Mar 2011 19:13:00 GMT+1 CoalitionOfTheWilting http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=88#comment334 "the case of Sir Alex Ferguson, whom they (especially the BBC) continue to demean, castigate, lampoon and criticise at every possible opportunity"Think yourself lucky, mate.They helped get our manager the sack.It's about time you lot got your share of the rubbish.They smell a man on the precipice. Wed 09 Mar 2011 19:10:50 GMT+1 DaveJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=87#comment333 The media in this country used to stand for free speech.....and the equivalent freedom not to say anything....but not, apparently, in the case of Sir Alex Ferguson, whom they (especially the BBC) continue to demean, castigate, lampoon and criticise at every possible opportunity, and now demand that he be dragged in shackles to the microphones in order to utter the usual post-match inanities. For goodness sake, give the man a break. He, more than anyone else in British football, has earnt the right to keep his counsel if he wants. That said, I'd love to see Sir Alex turn up at the BBC mikes one day and simply answer to every question: "Don't know. Next one." Not only would it save him some money, but it might also teach our contemptible media two obvious lessons: (a) that you can drag a horse to water but you cannot make it drink; and (b) that if Mohammed will not go to the mountain, the mountain must come to Mohammed. Wed 09 Mar 2011 19:07:41 GMT+1 CoalitionOfTheWilting http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=87#comment332 You'd think, for instance, that the £500m bond (loan) they took out doesn't have to be repaid, hence the £300m debt lie that Gill had the audacity to spout in front of the Commons a couple of days ago. Wed 09 Mar 2011 19:07:07 GMT+1 CoalitionOfTheWilting http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=87#comment331 The Utd hierarchy must be loving this, putting all eyes on nonsense while shifting all paperwork to a non-disclosure state, allowing their CEO to trot out a load of nonsense in front of the Commons committee. Wed 09 Mar 2011 19:04:48 GMT+1 CoalitionOfTheWilting http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=87#comment330 "We are united (dont like that word) against a common enemy."No you're not.Your common enemy is your owners, and you haven't done a damn thing about it. Wed 09 Mar 2011 18:59:02 GMT+1 CoalitionOfTheWilting http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=86#comment329 I know it might be dreary, but I am surprised that no Man Utd fan has picked up on David Gill's excuse for lack of spending by using the 'net spend' argument so constantly rubbished by Man Utd fans when Benitez uses it - a hell of a lot more convincingly, I might add.And I can't remember ANY Liverpool employee coming out with something as embarrassing as '330m fans', either.Also, not one of them has mentioned their CEO's rubbishing of the Norwich strip campaign.In the kingdom of the blind.... Wed 09 Mar 2011 18:57:35 GMT+1 4everEng http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=86#comment328 Personally I would rather not hear from Sir Alex, all he ever does is moan about this and that! Football is a better place when he doesn't speak!! Wed 09 Mar 2011 18:55:54 GMT+1 Bertie Button http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=86#comment327 CoalitionOfTheWilting wrote:"You actually do. Hence why you're all over this blog."How many posts defending the indefensible?At least you come across as a real fan, unlike the 330m (lmao) others.-------------------------------------------------------------------------We are united (dont like that word) against a common enemy.It used to take 2 World Wars to unite common foes: English/French, USA/RussiaNow all it takes is Manchester United. Wed 09 Mar 2011 18:55:07 GMT+1 CoalitionOfTheWilting http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=86#comment326 "You actually do. Hence why you're all over this blog."How many posts defending the indefensible?At least you come across as a real fan, unlike the 330m (lmao) others. Wed 09 Mar 2011 18:51:34 GMT+1 Bertie Button http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=85#comment325 Its Chicho time wrote:StepfordDo not transpose your childish, simplistic pseudo-neanderthal thought patterns onto me.I have quantified why United draw such diametrically opposing views, and you have thankfully illustrated the point I was making.You are insanely obsessive in your hatred, hence your mis-guided vitriol, coursing through this thread.A glance at you profile shows that you think Wenger dealt with RVP's red, remakably well, and yet you find it impossible to extend that courtesy towards Ferguson.Thank you for illustrating my point so completely.-------------------------------------------------------------------------You and Trawler are very funny men, very funny.Do not transpose your childish, simplistic pseudo-neanderthal thought patterns onto me.I have quantified why United draw such diametrically opposing views, and you have thankfully illustrated the point I was making.-------------------------------------------------------------------------No you have not.-------------------------------------------------------------------------"Do not transpose your childish, simplistic pseudo-neanderthal thought patterns onto me"That's quite a sentece for a UTD fan.Come Monday when your knocked out of the FA cup and facing an exit from the CL you will be back on here with your demented paranoid behavior, good luck, chill out. Wed 09 Mar 2011 18:46:51 GMT+1 alan280170 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=85#comment324 "29. At 4:35pm on 08 Mar 2011, lethal_vettori wrote:why should the media outlets continue to show Man U, that being their side of the bargain? Is it because they need them?============================In short, yes. Love them or hate them you can't deny that United are by far and away the most marketable team in the Premier League. You can stick a United game on anywhere in the world and someone will turn up and watch it."Not strictly true, put any English game on and people will watch, maybe not as much if munure was playing, but folks will still watch. Wed 09 Mar 2011 18:42:30 GMT+1 Its Chicho time http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=85#comment323 StepfordDo not transpose your childish, simplistic pseudo-neanderthal thought patterns onto me.I have quantified why United draw such diametrically opposing views, and you have thankfully illustrated the point I was making.You are insanely obsessive in your hatred, hence your mis-guided vitriol, coursing through this thread.A glance at you profile shows that you think Wenger dealt with RVP's red, remakably well, and yet you find it impossible to extend that courtesy towards Ferguson.Thank you for illustrating my point so completely. Wed 09 Mar 2011 18:41:14 GMT+1 Bertie Button http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=84#comment322 Its Chicho time wrote:-------------------------------------------------------------------------Are UTD fans all paronoid?Is there a collective paranoia?Yes, everyone hates you, live with it move on.All referees hate you?????Review the forum. Football is a better place without the constant banality that comes from Mr. Ferguson. (I say take back his Knighthood) Wed 09 Mar 2011 18:29:30 GMT+1 Bertie Button http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=84#comment321 At 5:18pm on 09 Mar 2011, TheTrawler wrote:311 you're description of the incident is ridiculousin answer to the question though - and ignoring your inane rhetoric - perhaps in a rugby match. or ooh let me see in the next game united played when rooney himself was clattered about the head in a challenge and no-one batted an eyelid - not even seen it mentioned once since, in fact.-------------------------------------------------------------------------One man's inane rehtoric is another mans philosophy.Having a sensible debate with a UTD fan is like having a debate with a chimp at the zoo. Rugby players who commit an act of brutality are brought to task at a later stage.Please describe in your own words the "coming together" of Rooney/Wigan player (no, dont bother)I emphasie the fact that Nani would have folded like a bag of pooh if he had been involved in a similar incident to the Rooney affair.Experts have reviewed it with more experience than me and reached the same conclusion so thus your "Stepford Wive" mentality is meaningless. Wed 09 Mar 2011 18:24:26 GMT+1 saintPeteUTD http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=84#comment320 From what I have read most of the comments is that what ever Sir Alex says, or doesn't say, he's going to be criticised by just about every so called "Pundit" that has his own opinion of the great man!So why should he have to say anything?It's the Football Club that matters, and the type of football they play!Why should a manger not be aloud to say what he like about a Referee - the pundits can say what they like, so why shouldn't he!?John Motson in a rant the other day was "Inciting" the Fa to ban Sir Alex from the touch line!. Why should he be aloud to do this, what gives him the right, just because he's a commentator he can say what ever he likes, but Fergie can't!??..........There's no justice!? Wed 09 Mar 2011 18:13:49 GMT+1 ebwrite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=84#comment319 Does anyone really want to listen to Alex Ferguson on any issue? I'm enjoying the silence, myself. Long may it last. Wed 09 Mar 2011 18:02:20 GMT+1 Its Chicho time http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=83#comment318 Ah!Another stick to beat United with.A chance to air more unfounded generalisations, and side-swipes at our Club, manager, players and fans.Ask yourselves if you get worked up about other clubs that aren't United or a close rival.Do the decisions Wolves get in their favour have you foaming at your mouth?Does Wenger's myopia or Holloway's eccentricity have you climbing the wall?Were you as deeply affected by a lack-of-red-card for Carragher as you were Rooney?If you answer yes, then you may need to calm down a bit, but at least you have some balance.If no, then You have a problem with United, and I suspect it is jealousy.Not all United fans want us all over the media, all the time.However, the media do.This is because a large proportion of the country support United, and a large proportion of the remainder, hate us enough to watch us for a loss, or buy a paper for a negative story about us.If you are honest, and remove that hate before forming an opinion, you may find mental balance, and the key to a longer, happier life! Wed 09 Mar 2011 18:01:14 GMT+1 jadedcee http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=83#comment317 He has the right to remain silent. Anything he does say can and will be used by the media against him in their publications and web sites.He has the right to speak to a solicitor. He and the club can afford many solicitors, they will be retained to sue you if you continue to pulish this rubbish. If you understand these rights why are you ccontinuing to bother to print this rubbish? Wed 09 Mar 2011 17:52:26 GMT+1 almost in range http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=83#comment316 i am new to this admittedly but cant help to wonder if Ferguson is vetting my first comment, hence it's delay?!anyways i'm looking forward to spurs v AC tonight, perhaps he has a comment on that? or will he send out Phil to influence the masses..... here comes the vet.. Wed 09 Mar 2011 17:46:42 GMT+1 LasVegasHR http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=83#comment315 I played football in Europe for 15 yrs before moving to the US, so I have a perspective on both cultures. The one I want to offer here is this: why is it that you NEVER heard US professional football coaches commenting on refering decisions after games, but rather talk only about the game itself. Because everything possible is done on the field to make sure the decisions are right.I am not a ManU fan, but last season Chelsea won and ManU lost the title over Drogba's clear offside goal. Arsenal just had a clear onside goal disallowed against Sunderland, which might also have title implications. What is European football's deathgrip insistence on making game and season-defining, objectively incorrect decisions stand and unfairly influence games and entire seasons?All the issues over postgame manager comments would probably go away, if patently obvious, incorrect and game-changing refereeing decisions could be corrected on the field. And I don't buy the argument that those decisions must stand in order to preserve European football's traditions. I've been a football fan for 50 yrs and would welcome an immediate review of game-changing decisions (most games have 1 or 2 only anyway and there are more game-stopping events due to "extremely" injured players on the ground, who are miraculously healed only minutes later). Wed 09 Mar 2011 17:36:51 GMT+1 The Trawler http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=82#comment314 The Stepford Sheep wrote:297. At 3:35pm on 09 Mar 2011, TheTrawler wrote:so basically the majority of people - even though they can't stop talking about man united - don't care what fergie thinks about anything-------------------------------------------------------------------------We actually don't.This is a forum about the silence of Ferguson--------------------------------------------------------------You actually do. Hence why you're all over this blog.And the topic is actually wider than just one individual. Wed 09 Mar 2011 17:26:56 GMT+1 The Trawler http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=82#comment313 311 you're description of the incident is ridiculousin answer to the question though - and ignoring your inane rhetoric - perhaps in a rugby match. or ooh let me see in the next game united played when rooney himself was clattered about the head in a challenge and no-one batted an eyelid - not even seen it mentioned once since, in fact. Wed 09 Mar 2011 17:18:32 GMT+1 Bertie Button http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=82#comment312 PetShopBoys_Forever wrote:When Stevie G, JT or Carragher do it-------------------------------------------------------------------------Fair point, does not make it anymore acceptable though.If we look at the incidents UTD have been involved in over the last 2 weeks, whats your take on them?? My opinions below.1. Rooney incident = Sending Off2. Luiz incident = Sending Off3. Zirkov Penalty = Penalty4. Carragher Tackle = Sending Off5. Rafael Tackle = Booking.I referee, talked with several of my colleagues and we concured on most of it. Wed 09 Mar 2011 16:51:16 GMT+1 PetShopBoys_Forever http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=82#comment311 When Stevie G, JT or Carragher do it Wed 09 Mar 2011 16:38:28 GMT+1 Bertie Button http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=81#comment310 TheTrawler wrote:the constant whineing and moaning about the wayne rooney 'incident' is beyond pathetic now304 players get "elbowed in the face" in most games. vidic quite often gets elbowed in the face two or three times in a match. there is a big distinction between accidental, incidental and deliberate elbowing. there's also a big difference between a swinging elbow and a simple twatting to the side of the head with the fleshy bit as you run past avoiding a deliberate attempt to body-check you. i don't expect for a moment that any of you idiots will accept this. -------------------------------------------------------------------------Trawler, you never answered my question???What other setting would a cowardly thug attack like Rooney's be deemed acceptable?? Wed 09 Mar 2011 16:25:59 GMT+1 Jim Comic http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=81#comment309 frankly i'm just as happy NOT to hear fergiehis incessant whinging is most unbecoming in a man of his advanced years and does him nor the game much credit Wed 09 Mar 2011 16:24:23 GMT+1 almost in range http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=81#comment308 This post has been Removed Wed 09 Mar 2011 16:22:26 GMT+1 Bertie Button http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=81#comment307 TheTrawler wrote:the constant whineing and moaning about the wayne rooney 'incident' is beyond pathetic now304 players get "elbowed in the face" in most games. vidic quite often gets elbowed in the face two or three times in a match. there is a big distinction between accidental, incidental and deliberate elbowing. there's also a big difference between a swinging elbow and a simple twatting to the side of the head with the fleshy bit as you run past avoiding a deliberate attempt to body-check you. i don't expect for a moment that any of you idiots will accept this. -------------------------------------------------------------------------Its you guys who keep bringing it up.I wonder how Nani would have reacted to a simple "twatting to the side of a head"???based on what I saw Sunday he would have been in tears. Wed 09 Mar 2011 16:20:21 GMT+1 rufus_smalls http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=80#comment306 Put another way - do I want to listen to SAF......answer is NOWe should bear with him though, he is a pensioner after all. Apparently he was seen recently walking around John Lewis car park blipping his key fob trying to locate his car.......ah! Wed 09 Mar 2011 16:18:52 GMT+1 The Trawler http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=80#comment305 the constant whineing and moaning about the wayne rooney 'incident' is beyond pathetic now304 players get "elbowed in the face" in most games. vidic quite often gets elbowed in the face two or three times in a match. there is a big distinction between accidental, incidental and deliberate elbowing. there's also a big difference between a swinging elbow and a simple twatting to the side of the head with the fleshy bit as you run past avoiding a deliberate attempt to body-check you. i don't expect for a moment that any of you idiots will accept this. Wed 09 Mar 2011 16:15:49 GMT+1 Bertie Button http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=80#comment304 This post has been Removed Wed 09 Mar 2011 16:08:48 GMT+1 Bertie Button http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=79#comment303 "If this was done maybe Rooney would have been banned for one match and John Terry for three as his deliberate lunge was career threatening but Rooneys elbow merely deliberate obstruction. This may also cause Referees to re-evaluate their performances and improve on them"-------------------------------------------------------------------------Rooney's elbow merely deliberate obstruction??Rooney left the ground, he lunged at the player. If the referee had seen the incident in full, Rooney would have got a 3-5 match suspension.Please share with me an example in a social/sporting situation were a person would get away with elbowing a person in the face??Ben Thatcher caused Mendes serious injury he was punished for his action. Adeybayor stamped on Van Perse last year. In both cases the players served a suspension. Why not Rooney???? He should have not been on the field for the Chelsea and Liverpool games. Wed 09 Mar 2011 16:01:23 GMT+1 Theo http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=79#comment302 The amazing thing here is that fans and journalist alike spend their time complaining about a lot of rules and regulations of the FA and FIFA, and the one day a manager and a club are actually protesting about it, you get people complaining still. Ironic world we live in wouldn't you say Wed 09 Mar 2011 15:52:04 GMT+1 Bertie Button http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=79#comment301 297. At 3:35pm on 09 Mar 2011, TheTrawler wrote:so basically the majority of people - even though they can't stop talking about man united - don't care what fergie thinks about anything-------------------------------------------------------------------------We actually don't.This is a forum about the silence of Ferguson, an opportunity to express an opinion. Obviously the majority of people commenting are "happy" that Mr Ferguson as taken a vow of silence. It also seems that most UTD fans are happy because it reduces the possibilities of Mr Ferguson being mis-quoted by the British media. (Which in essence is a fallacy because a live interview depicts Mr Ferguson actual comments)So in essence, both UTD fans and the rest of us (ABU Collective) are happy and content with the silence. Wed 09 Mar 2011 15:52:04 GMT+1 SirAlextheBoss http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=79#comment300 Doesn't the UK have a freedom of speech law in their constitution? If so SAF should be allowed to voice his opinions on the refs decisions (or any other manager for that fact). It doesnt matter what the contract says, if it is breaking a government law, that clause in the contract is null and void.And if there is a freedom of speech act or law, that means also they should have the freedom not to speak.Just a thought.... Wed 09 Mar 2011 15:50:23 GMT+1 Newbs http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=78#comment299 292. At 3:13pm on 09 Mar 2011, The Stepford Sheep wrote:PetShopBoys_Forever wrote:Wonder if Wenger will be charged regarding last nights post-match comments.2 disgraceful incidents - the red card fpr Van Persie and Bendtner missing a gilt-edged chance to send Barca out. If Wenger is charged with misconduct then you ahve to ask what is the point of post-match interview if you aren't allowed to say what you think-------------------------------------------------------------------------I actually thought Wenger took it well.Unlike Mr.Ferguson Wenger did not imply that the referee was biased or went into the game with a pre-meditated agenda.Big difference.Most managers complain about decisions, seldom few imply that the referee is a cheat.=========================================================================Afetr the Sunderland game he said he was too disgusted to comment on the ref. Last night he ran on the pitch and argued with the ref. So no he didn't take it well at all. It doesn't make him wrong though.Basically it's ok for refs to make mistakes as long as it doesn't help United and if does help if United then it its disgraceful.The jealousy of SAF is unbelievable Wed 09 Mar 2011 15:50:06 GMT+1 movedtocomment http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=78#comment298 There seems to be a great many people who want to hear SAF and others - could I suggest that a subscription to Manu.com may assist. Wed 09 Mar 2011 15:47:39 GMT+1 Newbs http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=78#comment297 At 08:56am on 09 Mar 2011, George D wrote:Too many people seem to have taken this article and used it as as excuse to make personal attacks on both Sir Alex and United. This simply shows their level of morality and also that they are themselves hypocrites as they believe it is okay for them to slate others but not for an acknowledged master of his trade to speak in the heat of a moment about what has happened over the course of a 90 minute match. Many other managers are doing the same week in week out but they don't have the media audience that Sir Alex has and consequently are not singled out as he is. Personally I don't believe that what he says is detrimental to football and maybe after a match that is shown live on tv there should be a live debate between both managers and the referee with questions from the media and selected viewers. In this way all contentious issues will be discussed and opinions voiced without any comeback on the participants. Why let bad feelings fester when it can be brought into the open allowing for apologies and retrospective actions where necessary. If this was done maybe Rooney would have been banned for one match and John Terry for three as his deliberate lunge was career threatening but Rooneys elbow merely deliberate obstruction. This may also cause Referees to re-evaluate their performances and improve on them=========================================================================Couldn't have said it better myself! Wed 09 Mar 2011 15:44:22 GMT+1 The Trawler http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=78#comment296 so basically the majority of people - even though they can't stop talking about man united - don't care what fergie thinks about anythingand the football governance hearing "coverage" - on the BBC site anyway, has been hijacked by united fans for a bit more publicity in their campaign to get a sugar-daddy takeover on the cheap - even though they're obviously really keen to safeguard the future of football as a whole. obviously. Wed 09 Mar 2011 15:35:02 GMT+1 Newbs http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=77#comment295 i miss his comments becuause i love to laugh at his outrageous comments after games especially when they lose haha.========================================================================Ah bless; you have laughed 4 times this season... How many times you cried ha! Wed 09 Mar 2011 15:30:54 GMT+1 Diala Anthony http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=77#comment294 @172: Wind up merchant. There, there, you’ve been acknowledged; happy now? Wed 09 Mar 2011 15:22:32 GMT+1 messien http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=77#comment293 He may be successful, but (Sir) alex ferguson is a thoroughly classess sore-loser who i'd be happy never to see again - whether it is his gloating after a win or criticizing the performance of the referee following a loss, good riddance. Wed 09 Mar 2011 15:20:43 GMT+1 Bertie Button http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=77#comment292 277. At 2:21pm on 09 Mar 2011, ManUtdsince1987 wrote:-------------------------------------------------------------------------May I also interject to point (2) that Mr. Ferguson also felt hurt when in most recent months is son Darren was fired by Preston North End. Ferguson's reaction??? Recall 3 players UTD had loaned them. Now that is childish petulence and mirrors Ferguson's actions when dealing with defeat. Wed 09 Mar 2011 15:17:23 GMT+1 Bertie Button http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=76#comment291 PetShopBoys_Forever wrote:Wonder if Wenger will be charged regarding last nights post-match comments.2 disgraceful incidents - the red card fpr Van Persie and Bendtner missing a gilt-edged chance to send Barca out. If Wenger is charged with misconduct then you ahve to ask what is the point of post-match interview if you aren't allowed to say what you think-------------------------------------------------------------------------I actually thought Wenger took it well.Unlike Mr.Ferguson Wenger did not imply that the referee was biased or went into the game with a pre-meditated agenda.Big difference.Most managers complain about decisions, seldom few imply that the referee is a cheat. Wed 09 Mar 2011 15:13:26 GMT+1 Eamonn Borg-Neal http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=76#comment290 I think that if Manchester United are going to be paid TV rights for the matches this season, they should have to honour the interviews after the match. As paying customers the people viewing at home should be able to get Sir Alex's two cents on the matches. Wed 09 Mar 2011 15:10:42 GMT+1 TJ http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=76#comment289 @120. At 6:42pm on 08 Mar 2011, CoalitionOfTheWiltingUnited did not run the fA cup by pulling out of it in 2000. Blame the Government (Tony Banks) and the FA who strong armed United into attending the inaugural World Club championship in the mistaken belief that supporting Blatter's brain child would boost England's 2006 World cup bid Wed 09 Mar 2011 14:51:08 GMT+1 stega http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=75#comment288 The whole thing just smacks of being a bad loser. Utd win win and win.. fair play, great team. But the minute things dont go their way they dont speak to the press. Look how other managers conduct themselves - Mick mcarthy at Wolves for example, or the guy at Wigan. Week after week they take the rough with the smooth and defeats on the chin. It`s called class and if i were a Utd fan i would be very embarrassed at the moment. Wed 09 Mar 2011 14:50:12 GMT+1 vespucci43 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=75#comment287 Fergoosen may have been a great coach in the past, but with age the game has passed him by.F. fields a lousy team-game taqctics a so-so, and he has not managed to attract good players like Suarez>Look at what he got-Bebe, Berbatov etc.Worst player on team are Berbatov and the entire midfield.Get rid of old fogies like Scoles his Welsh midfiled partner.Reason he screams at referees is that he and his players cannot win any games strictly on tactics and talent, so he screams at referees to intimidate them.Bring in Mourinho! Wed 09 Mar 2011 14:48:36 GMT+1 Wayne Rooney - The missing link - save 606 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=75#comment286 This post has been Removed Wed 09 Mar 2011 14:42:17 GMT+1 ManUtdsince1987 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=75#comment285 @282/283 - that was probably an over reaction - sorry. You don't like Hodgson or SAF, fair enough, everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Wed 09 Mar 2011 14:37:22 GMT+1 ManchesterUnited4Ever http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=74#comment284 Now for some comments about Ferguson’s comments about the referee in the Chelsea game. Sorry but it’ll be another long oneFirst of all let’s review the Respect rules from the FA in terms of the managerFA respect rules for coaches, team managers and club officials“Always respect the match official’s decisionNever engage in public criticism of the match officials”So by that measure he can (and has been charged) by the FA and should be found guilty. However note that all or nearly all managers have broken the second one so they should all be brought up on the charge (saying the referee made a bad decision in a news conference is public criticism and not respecting the decision). One thing I couldn’t find was the part about not implying bias on the part of referees (it’s not in the respect bit but I may have missed it somewhere else in the FA rules) I much prefer the wording of the premier league rule on the subjectPremier League Rules (Appendix 6 – Mangager’s code of conduct number 7)“A Manager shall not make public any unfair criticism of any Match Official or any otherManager or any Player, Official or employee of his or another Club.”This allows the manager to actually say the ref had a bad game/made a bad decision but he would have to be able to back it up.Also as part of the respect campaign the referees have a duty as wellFA respect rules for referees“Apply the Laws of the Game and competition rules fairly and consistentlyDeal with all instances of violence, aggression, unsporting behaviour, foul play and otherMisconductNever tolerate offensive, insulting or abusive language or behaviour from players andofficials”Are we saying that the referees/FA are holding up their end of the deal? The referees are trying their best but it is obvious that they need the support of the FA to help reduce some of the obvious errors/inconsistencies we see every week (technology, training, more refs on the field etc) . If we keep seeing these mistakes and see nothing being done about them (especially if it happens to be the same referees making these bad decisions) how can we expect managers and players not to criticise?The last 3 games I have watched have all had big decisions that either did directly affect the result or could have(i) Man Utd vs Chelsea. Luiz fouls Rooney off the ball and no foul is given (should have been a yellow as well which would then have been a red for 2nd yellow). Penalty incorrectly given as Smalling got the ball then it bounced back into the Chelsea player before contact was made between the 2 players. There were also apparently other major incidents (for Chelsea and United) but I did not see them due to dodgy reception. Both would likely have had an effect on the final result – luiz sent off Chelsea likely to go defensive resulting in a draw or man utd win (draw more likely) and no penalty gives a draw as well(ii) Man Utd vs Liverpool. Both Carragher and Rafael should have been sent off for their challenges. Given it was 2-0 to Liverpool at the time I think it unlikely that it changed the result but it might have (especially if you consider the possibility where Carragher gets sent off and so Rafael stays a bit calmer (probably unlikely) and doesn’t rush into the challenge on the Liverpool player)(iii) Arsenal vs Barcelona. Clear foul on Messi not given. Had it been given correctly it would have been a penalty. It should have been minimum of a free-kick on the edge of the box (given how close it was to the line I would accept it as a reasonable error if the referee misjudged where the contact took place – I initial thought it was outside the box when I saw it) and goals change games. Second yellow card for Van Persie. Completely unjustified and seriously affected Arsenal’s ability to maintain the draw on the night that would have sent them through (note I think Barcelona deserved the victory on the night last night based on the performance and that they probably would have won anyway even without the sending off but that’s an opinion not reality. And performances don’t always get the result they deserve it’s goals that count (Arsenal themselves have been on the receiving end of the odd sucker punch over the years.Question for the media. What are the individual referees statistics in terms of correct decisions versus wrong decisions. Are we at 90% or 95% or higher or lower? Wed 09 Mar 2011 14:34:52 GMT+1 Diala Anthony http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=74#comment283 I feel bitter that the media always win: if Ferguson talks, its news; if he refuses to talk, its news; if anyone complains about this, its news. The most painful part is that we have to read all about it ... Wed 09 Mar 2011 14:33:09 GMT+1 CoalitionOfTheWilting http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=74#comment282 280, sorry. Wed 09 Mar 2011 14:32:40 GMT+1 CoalitionOfTheWilting http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=74#comment281 281.Yes. That's exactly what happened. Wed 09 Mar 2011 14:32:11 GMT+1 The Mighty Fletch http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=73#comment280 When he did speak after the Chelsea game he got fined for the privilege. What do you think he was going to say after the Liverpool game after Carraghers tackle on Nani that only warrented a red card. If you cant state the obvious about the poor standard of referring in a post match interview then whats the point in giving one. Your all quick to slate Fergie for not giving an interview i.e doing his job. When a ref doesnt do their job you cant say a word. Logical, i think not. Wed 09 Mar 2011 14:32:02 GMT+1 ManUtdsince1987 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timfranks/2011/03/do_we_have_a_right_to_hear_sir.html?page=73#comment279 I suppose you smelt that when you were on your knees pleasing them both? Wed 09 Mar 2011 14:30:08 GMT+1