Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/andrewharding/2011/01/sudan_votes_optimism_abounds.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/andrewharding/2011/01/sudan_votes_optimism_abounds.html en-gb 30 Sun 23 Nov 2014 13:55:56 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/andrewharding/2011/01/sudan_votes_optimism_abounds.html BluesBerry http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/andrewharding/2011/01/sudan_votes_optimism_abounds.html?page=92#comment12 I have caught Sudan optimism and am deeply sorrowful that people are still dying.Misseriya Tribesmen killed 10 southern Sudanese civilians as they returned from the north. Southern Internal Affairs Minister, Gier Chuang: "A convoy of returnees coming from the north to the south were ambushed yesterday (Monday) at about 5pm by armed Misseriya. Ten were killed and 18 were wounded." When does this sort of stuff stop? Gier Chuang said Khartoum must be held responsible for the actions of the armed Nomadic tribe. The Misseriya were an important northern-aligned militia during the civil war and are involved in an ongoing conflict with the pro-southern Dinka.Stuff like this shows that trouble is afoot.Also on Monday, soldiers killed two militants in Unity state, a significant oil-producing region near the north-south border.Since Friday, clashes have occurred between Misseriya Arrabs and Ngok Dinka in Abyei; at least 33 have been killed.Luka Biong, leading member of the Sudan People's Liberation Movement (SPLM) and a member of the Ngok Dinka tribe: "It is very unfortunate that such an incident happened at the time the people of Abyei were casting their vote." Biong speaking from Khartoum said the residentrs of Abyei, the Ngok Dinka are being attacked. He won't go as far as to name the culprit tribe, but he does say they are politically motivated.The Abyei region is simultaneously holding its own vote during the south referendum on independence. It will decide whether to remain in the north or join the south.Part of the dispute in Abyei is about voting eligibility. The Misseriya tribe, who migrate to Abyei during the dry season to find water for their livestock, insist that they should have the same voting rights as the Dinka. The Dinka apparently are very influencial with the SPLM and some say they don't care about the south, they just want Abyei.Voting had been suspended in some areas following violence.But the people are voting. The people have hope. The people want issues settled and an end to civil war. May God bless them - all of them.May those who are killing stop killing.Only a transparent vote can end the sad saga of Sudan. Wed 12 Jan 2011 17:07:34 GMT+1 Obadiah Mua http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/andrewharding/2011/01/sudan_votes_optimism_abounds.html?page=84#comment11 The 60% participation mark required for Southern Sudan's referandum to be valid has been reached even before the end of the polling.This is an indication that the people of Southern Sudan have waited impatiently for this time and they are eager to begin writing history differently.Some of us like Garbi can understand what the people of Southern Sudan have been through because we are in the same situation.As Garbi put it,we commend the efforts of western journalists like Andrew Harding who have consistently put focus on the Southern Sudan predicament for years until celebrities and politicians could step up their campaign for justice.Like the Oromo people in Ethopia,I come from Southern Cameroons where over the last 50 years we have known nothing but suffering,decadence,discrimination,arrests,torture,inprisonment,maiming and the list is inexhaustible.We have cried and been to the UN and the AU (recently a ruling by the African Court on Human and People's Rights called on La Republique du Cameroun government to open negotiations with the people of Southern Cameroons)but no meaningful attention has been received from the international community.May be because we have not yet started fighting.May be because we have not had a 20 years old war that has claimed hundreds of thousands of lives.The media has been quiet on the plight of Southern Cameroons but I know they will soon get interested when things spill out of control.Like Sagat4 writes above,the people of Southern Cameroons and Oromo have not suffered as much as the people of Southern Sudan.Therefore they do not deserve to be free.How do we quantify suffering?Should a people's desire to be free and enjoy human rights and dignity be determined by how long they have suffered?And Sagat4 continues to claim that we do not need more countries 'springing up here and there'.Southern Sudan has not sprung up Sagat4.The painful labour to bring Southern Sudan to life has been in the making for years.It could have been less painful and faster were it not of the typical thinking of others like Sagat4.The people of Southern Cameroons and Oromo deserve a better treatment and Africa can only prosper in diverse unity and not enslaved unity.The more independent free states there are the better unity we can have in the continent.The European Union has continued to enlarge bringing in small new states born out of the disintegration of the former Yugoslavia and the USSR.Freedom is a fundamental natural human right.As the French philosopher put it,man is born free. Wed 12 Jan 2011 16:59:54 GMT+1 villamagome http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/andrewharding/2011/01/sudan_votes_optimism_abounds.html?page=76#comment10 We are very proud of our brothers and sisters from South Sudan -- for holding their dreams of freedom with incredible tenacity (and against vicious opposition) for more than fifty years !!!!!! May the Almighty GOD bless you and bless your future. Wed 12 Jan 2011 14:35:57 GMT+1 sagat4 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/andrewharding/2011/01/sudan_votes_optimism_abounds.html?page=69#comment9 Interesting Garbi. I heard about the Oromos but i believe they have not suffered as much as the people of South Sudan and speaking as an African, we don't need new countries springing up here and there. The only solution to their problems would be for the Ethopian government to treat them better and improve the areas they live in i.e. roads, water, housing, school, hospitals etc. Nevertheless it would be cool if Andrew went to the area to investigate (need advice obviously before heading over there) Wed 12 Jan 2011 11:26:38 GMT+1 Garbi http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/andrewharding/2011/01/sudan_votes_optimism_abounds.html?page=61#comment8 As South Sudan is just few days away to declare itself as 54th African State, 45 million Oromos of Ethiopia are applauding the men and women of South Sudan who fought against the Arab North to at last free themselves. My message to the people of South sudan is "MAKE SURE THIS GOES DOWN THE LINE OF HISTROY" as Africaners fight agianst slavery and colonization. Meanwhile, our brothers and sisters, dont forget the plight of the Oromos of Ethiopia, who are facing the centuries most and last brutal force, the ABYSSINIAN COLONIZING ARMY. The Northern Abyssinia of Ethiopia has colonized Oromos and other nations and nationalities in the Southern Ethiopia, for the past one hundered years and above. This Abyssinian colonizers are the only African country who, under the then Emperor Menelik, took part in the Berlin conference to scrumble Africa, among the Christian nations. To this date, Oromos are fighting the injustice of Abyssinian successive regimes. The Western countries have opted to support them under the banner of christianity. We are indigenous African people. Regarless of support from the Western forces for this colonial forces, the Oromo people aspiration for freedom will never die. Wed 12 Jan 2011 10:09:15 GMT+1 Garbi http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/andrewharding/2011/01/sudan_votes_optimism_abounds.html?page=53#comment7 Dear Andrew, While the Western Journalists have done good job with South Sudan, you guys have given an elephants ear to the situation in Ethiopia, the case of the oromo people. Unfortunately, the Oromo liberation movement, not only lacks regional sanctuary and international support, but even both our neighbouring countries and the Western friends of Abyssinia oppose the attempt of the Oromo to liberate from Abyssinian colonization. Specially, the Western world seems to have opposite policy in comparison to the policy they do have towards South Sudan. In the case of South Sudan, they support the “Christian” south to be free from the influence of the Arabinized north, whereas in the case of Oromia they tend to support the domination by the Abyssinized (Christian) north on the mainly traditional south, including the Oromo. If they had had no such double standard as usual, they should have supported the liberation movement of the Oromo from the domination of the Abyssinized north, just as they have done to protect the South Sudan from the Arabinized north. Will you and fellow journalists one day write about the problems of Oromos of Ethiopia, just the same way you covered the plight of the Southern Sudan? Wed 12 Jan 2011 09:50:44 GMT+1 Andrew Harding BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/andrewharding/2011/01/sudan_votes_optimism_abounds.html?page=46#comment6 valerin - there was a queue for men and a separate queue for women. of about equal length i would say. Wed 12 Jan 2011 09:04:29 GMT+1 Valerin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/andrewharding/2011/01/sudan_votes_optimism_abounds.html?page=38#comment5 Dear AndrewWatching your short film I wondered why there is queue, lining up for voting, which constists solemnly and only of men.I think it is important to say that the decision of south Sudan will be apparently again done by men while you just "forget" half of the population. I am glad you found a women who wants to vote. Maybe you inform yourself on gender data, which means who many men voted and how many women to see if it is really representative for the population.I would be very in your results.Greetings Wed 12 Jan 2011 07:09:00 GMT+1 Ghost rider http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/andrewharding/2011/01/sudan_votes_optimism_abounds.html?page=30#comment4 I hope everything go well and everybody can leave in peace! Check here, it's showing our beautfull is Sudan, business, politics, etc. Soon They'll change all the map of Sudan. http://www.mycontinent.co/Sudan.php?index1=back+to+last+page# Tue 11 Jan 2011 14:53:06 GMT+1 Andrew Harding BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/andrewharding/2011/01/sudan_votes_optimism_abounds.html?page=23#comment3 hi. a couple of interesting articles here... one on the clooney-caravan: http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/01/10/is_george_clooney_helpingand another on a new ranking table for african leaders... where will salva kiir fit?http://www.scribd.com/doc/46590960/The-African-Presidents-Index-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly Tue 11 Jan 2011 09:01:17 GMT+1 Obadiah Mua http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/andrewharding/2011/01/sudan_votes_optimism_abounds.html?page=15#comment2 There is nothing better to Southern Sudan than the idea of being able to decide which road they want to take.The future may be laden with uncertainty and obvious threats but the enthusisam and sheer determination of Southern Sudanese voters will lift them out of the difficult future.Today in the U.S of A flags were flying at half mast to mourn victims of a barbaric act which no one could imagine happening in America.But if Gabrielle Giffords were to recover fully from her wounds,she will be determined to persue her dreams of a congress woman working freely and fearlessly.She knew there were threats against her but that did not send her running or into hiding.The people of Southern Sudan and those of us who support their desire to become independent are aware of the hard road ahead.Yet we believe that the option of unity with the North is even more risky and gloomy.They have been there and they know what it means to be a Southern Sudanese in a loose united Sudan.I have listened to interviews and news updates on the ongoing referandum and the accounts of every Southern Sudanese voter is like that of Mary Francis Babodo.They have waited for this moment for too long and time is finally here and there is no going back.Welcome to the first free state of Africa where independence is not granted by the colonial master or proxy but decided by the people.Courage brothers do not stumble! Mon 10 Jan 2011 17:32:16 GMT+1 sagat4 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/andrewharding/2011/01/sudan_votes_optimism_abounds.html?page=7#comment1 Like any divorce it will be rocky at first but i pray they prevail Mon 10 Jan 2011 16:11:43 GMT+1 Don_K http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/andrewharding/2011/01/sudan_votes_optimism_abounds.html?page=0#comment0 Hi Andrew! I was wondering if you had any thoughts about what will happen to the Blue Nile and Southern Kordofan if the south becomes independent? Bashir said that if the south secedes, he will implement a stricter version of Sharia law in north Sudan. These two states have some Christian minority tribes, and I'm not sure that the popular consultations will protect them. For groups like the Uduk in the Blue Nile for instance, this creates a distinct problem, as they don't speak Arabic and they don't practice Islam. (When they were refugees in Ethiopia they studied under the Kenyan system, with everything in English). It'd be very interesting to hear a political analysis of the situation. Mon 10 Jan 2011 11:58:05 GMT+1