Comments for en-gb 30 Fri 11 Jul 2014 10:35:59 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at needsanewnickname Oh, Mr Thought, honestly, you didn't think that I was serious? No. Phew. I'm a huge fan of typos and believe there is much fun and some wisdom wot can be got from them. Being as how I do them myself and then have a laugh at my own silliness. Milk's run out, anyway. I enjoyed Bryn Terfel [no comment] today. Good stuff.As for you, Mr Fish, yes; fair comment if we're wearing pedant hats (mine is red and peaked with white cotton wool round the bottom). As in 'by St Agnes' fountain'.It was good to hear the Sussex Carol again today.I sang along a bit. Did you know that another R4 proggie on over the last few days, or it may have been World Service, said that singing is good for you, and singing with others is even better?I think a few Froggers might agree. Fri 26 Dec 2008 23:09:10 GMT+1 Deepthought Frances_O (80),Being the boring person that deepthought is, there was a typo - Camb is a city by Royal Statute in 1952 (note the missing "t" in the original). How much more could be milked from the Royal Statue line? Little, I suspect.There are Royal Statues, usually holding chair legs, around the place, most notably above Trinity Great Gate (statue of its founder Henry VIII). Before you all fall asleep from Boredom, the great screen in King's Chapel (on which the organ is mounted), was also provided by the same said Henry VIII, (who sponsored the finishing of the chapel, including the fan vaulting) in a different mood - early joy of relationship with the younger Boleyn girl ("H" and "B" are intertwined in a motif).Chris and Frances, Interesting prog today at 15:45, Bryn Tervyl on VW's Fantasia on Christmas Carols. Now I have sung this, so know it quite well. Recommend a "listen again". I think Chris probably will know the work of VW and Sharp on the collection of carols, folk dances etc in the 190xs. That saved "The Sussex Carol", and the "Handkerchief dance" (aka "Country Gardens") to name one piece each saved and which we now treasure. Fri 26 Dec 2008 21:37:26 GMT+1 Chris Ghoti Deepthought @ 79, I haven't read the preface! It's being a medievalist as does it, in my case, and having been involved in the Encyclopaedia of Fantasy when there was argument about the meaning of 'enchantment' in the section on 'magic' words. You guessed: the clue is in the 'chant' bit. :-) In fact a surprising number of words for bespelling someone seem to have something to do with music or singing. So having looked at song-and-dance words, I found 'carol' meaning 'joyous round-dance' came naturally to me.Frances_O @ 80, surely if the city is *by* the royal statue, the statue would have to be outside the city and so it couldn't be in one of the colleges? Maybe somewhere like Grantchester?And given that 'carol' comes from 'ring' and is associated with ring-dances, I assume it would probably be tune first for any carol, then words, if it really is a carol rather than a Christmas Hymn. (See 'why should Satan have all the best tunes?', which I think was said by someone less probable than Wesley, possibly Rowland Hill.) Fri 26 Dec 2008 18:12:49 GMT+1 needsanewnickname Deeps (76), "Camb is a City by royal statue". Would that be a statue of a King? In a College?btw, would the Church/non-Church origin pertain to the words or the tune, I wonder?Argh, insomnia again. Possibly partly brought about by a combination of overtiredness and overeating. Fri 26 Dec 2008 04:51:13 GMT+1 Deepthought Chris (77),Do we have the same edition of the Oxford Book of Carols - we seem to have read the same preface.It is true that some Hymns have taken on the mantle of Carols, although in the case of While Shepherds Watched, I don't mind (I love the way the punctuation crosses the lines, endless scope for minor changes in meaning....). The alternative tune (I've forgotten the name) is also a delight in itself, far more "carol" in feel, however venerable the current "standard" tune is (at least, in the S of England, the current standard tune). I suppose the excuse given above is why *some* of the xmas hymns turn up in the Ox book of Carols.Last night I was taking the Carol to be originating from non-Church use, although in the Adam example, there is no known "original" tune, so there are various modern tunes used. Hymns would have been for church use from the start, however popular they have since become. A simple minded division, true, I was not expecting to enter a learned discussion on the topic at that time of the night!.Kings (other colleges are also available) also do Advent carol services, on Advent Sunday. The music is less well known, partly as strictly advent carols are not that well known. I think John's gets broadcast on occasion. Thu 25 Dec 2008 23:41:00 GMT+1 annasee Anyone still trying to do mittfh's carol quiz? We didn't get all of them, despite the hundreds of carols I've heard over the last few weeks. Forgot to ask - does it have an answer sheet? Thu 25 Dec 2008 22:37:22 GMT+1 Chris Ghoti Deepthought @ 74, hang on: isn't 'a carol' just 'a joyous song', properly speaking? coming from a ring-dance, and also meaning a ring, as it might be of standing stones (the Stonehenge Carol). We have Christmas carols, Advent carols, Easter carols and some that are not tied to any particular season.OTOH, some songs I would think of as 'Christmas Hymns' seem to have been put into the Oxford Book of Carols: God Rest You Merry Gentlemen is in there, and The First Nowell, and While Shepherds Watched, and Personent Hodie, and Puer Nobis, and Angels From the Realms of Glory... and even O Little Town of Bethlehem and In the Bleak Mid-Winter and We Three Kings.And as for Good King Wenceslas...Where does the boundary lie? Thu 25 Dec 2008 22:31:31 GMT+1 Deepthought My (74)Truro (without an h).Town ^H^H^H^H City.I should be more careful, as Camb is a City by royal statue, not because it is the seat of a see (aka has a cathedral).#Mind you, given some of the sees these days... Reading, anyone? Thu 25 Dec 2008 01:09:18 GMT+1 jonnie Thanks for that info about *Truro*I recorded the BBC2 truncated repeat - with a few bits missing - and the last Christmas Hymn 'Hark the Herald'Happy and merry Christmas to one and all xx Thu 25 Dec 2008 00:54:48 GMT+1 Deepthought Jonnie (2),Serves me right for looking back...As I recall, the 9L&C was based upon a service at Thuro Cathedral (Cornwall, as I appear to have mis-spelt the town) a few years earlier, and adopted by King's College C. I'm sure they acknowledge the fore-runner, even if it is now accepted to be a KC thing.For those who are fussed about it, "Carols" are not the same as "Christmas Hymns". So "O Come", or "Hark!"... are not Carols. Sussex Carol, and Adam lay y'bounden, for example (used yesterday), are. Thu 25 Dec 2008 00:39:42 GMT+1 Deepthought Well, Stevie C, as we never called him to his face, has been doing this gig for at least 25 years now, as he was well established at the aforesaid 25 year ago when I was handed a ticket to this service (it's not a ticket event, so don't ask) half an hour before kick-off. The real 9 L&C is nothing like the TV show, pre-recorded a couple of days before. The chapel looks really odd with all the search-lights on the windows (to show them off for the TV - and one reason why the TV version is pre-recorded).How SC survived a scandal a few years ago - he kept this pre-eminent post, but lost some minor ones (rather, as one might expect, the other way around) is one of those cantab mysteries... Thu 25 Dec 2008 00:23:59 GMT+1 annasee Sorry I missed all the fun. Been doing 2 carol concerts and the rehearsal - 11 hours in total. Sounds arduous except I was only in 3 of the 29 songs. We had to wear Santa hats for the second half of the concert. That's asking a lot, in my opinion. But we did get a glass of wine in the interval. That makes up for a lot.Happy Christmas All! Wed 24 Dec 2008 22:52:30 GMT+1 U13717586 PSThose dreadful Kings College vowels!70.Sing it out loud. It's xmas!Ours is Barbera Allen, courtesy of Scrooge(with descant).Sung out they transmute into butterflies.69Another cheap trick, eh! Wed 24 Dec 2008 19:00:31 GMT+1 Sid My current ear-worm is McCartney's dismal 'Wonderful Christmastime'. Wed 24 Dec 2008 18:16:29 GMT+1 David_McNickle pmL 68, Transubstantiation/consubstantiation, er, nope, it isn't. And the bone probably isn't from Alban. Wed 24 Dec 2008 18:01:20 GMT+1 U13717586 42So the wine isn't blood and the bread not flesh, comrade. Wed 24 Dec 2008 17:56:03 GMT+1 needsanewnickname Who's dissing Ms Vorderman?And I like Laurie, too, so there.Adeste, fideles,Laete triumphantes,Venite, venite ad [I think] Bethlehem.Natum videte, Regem angelorumVenite adoremus,Venite adoremus,Venite adoremus, Dominum.(et caetera)*Odd how some things get stuck in the memory, innit?Now, which carol will be my next ear-worm? So far it's been 'Good King Wenceslas'Oh and a very Merry Christmas to Eddie, the PM team and alll froggers.* Mods: that's Latin Wed 24 Dec 2008 17:50:46 GMT+1 Stewart_M 'course I'm listening on DAB so its a further second and a bit out anyway. Lets not go there! Wed 24 Dec 2008 17:28:26 GMT+1 David_McNickle j 55, And it is/was/will be on TV. Wed 24 Dec 2008 17:21:45 GMT+1 gossipmistress Gillianian - I agree, I was hooked too! Wed 24 Dec 2008 17:19:46 GMT+1 jonnie Well GM - they could edit out the organ volantary at the end.And sorry Gillian - perhaps it was that womans wittering voice and Laurie lulling me to sleep :-)Perhaps Ed Stourton may liven things up? Wed 24 Dec 2008 17:07:32 GMT+1 Gillianian Jonnie - I'm shocked! I was so entertained by it I want to buy the book! Wed 24 Dec 2008 17:04:44 GMT+1 gossipmistress Jonnie - will you cope if they edit it to end at 15.30.00? Wed 24 Dec 2008 17:03:19 GMT+1 eddiemair At last! Wed 24 Dec 2008 17:01:33 GMT+1 jonnie This whole 'thinking aloud' could have been dropped!Yawn. Wed 24 Dec 2008 17:00:40 GMT+1 David_McNickle Gill 33, Stephen Cleobury has been on a go-slo for some years. I told our choirmaster here that our 9 Carols and Lessons is better than that from Cambridge. He didn't buy me a drink, though. Wed 24 Dec 2008 17:00:26 GMT+1 jonnie Ideal pot point just missed!Neil could have picked up nicely! Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:58:46 GMT+1 Stewart_M UPDATE. Turkey in at 3.54.Yep ,I agree the carols were lovely. And Dioptres are accurate until you decide to hold the book Here not Here Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:58:01 GMT+1 jonnie The Nine lessons and Carols from Kings can be heard tomorrow between 14:00 - 15:33:48 on BBC Radio three. Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:57:45 GMT+1 jonnie I've just had a lovely Happy Christmas message from Marc Settle.I'm one of 700.Thank you Marc - and Happy Christmas to Marc and all the PM team! Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:49:30 GMT+1 David_McNickle I'm wrapping presents, so Edwardio can be as late as he wants. Also drinking wine. Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:45:37 GMT+1 jonnie What are you after Mansaylo?Creep!Could we not have the pips at 17:14:55? Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:44:52 GMT+1 Trevor Mansell Who cares if PM is a few seconds late. Eddie is always worth waiting for. Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:43:32 GMT+1 jonnie It has to be accurate Stewart.Just like your Diopters etc..I can't help feeling sorry for the pips?Can they not delay them? Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:42:20 GMT+1 David_McNickle SM 46, Microwaving it, are we? Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:40:49 GMT+1 jonnie ............ that the Carol service was beautiful? :-) Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:39:30 GMT+1 Gillianian Jonnie - leave Laurie alone!!!! Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:39:09 GMT+1 Stewart_M By thats accrurate.I'll be getting the turkey ready. It will be going in the oven at 5.02.03 for 3 hours 45 minutes and twenty six seconds. Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:38:32 GMT+1 jonnie I'm sure a good producer could pot out of Thinking aloud and keep the network running on time?15 mins to listen to the end and look for a point to ditch it - presentation could fill.They coped when Jenni Murray's team put on the wrong serial the other day.Bet Jenni gave them a moutful though ;-( Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:36:57 GMT+1 eddiemair We will start at 17.02.10 Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:36:32 GMT+1 Stewart_M So thats no trailers before or after Laurie Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:35:50 GMT+1 David_McNickle pmL 18, We ain't cannibals in St Albans.Stephen Cleobury needs to retire. Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:35:45 GMT+1 eddiemair I am on the phone to a beautiful Northern Irish lady from Con...she told me to say that Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:35:39 GMT+1 jonnie Oh Neil Nunes gave Eddie a nice name check though ;-) Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:34:08 GMT+1 jonnie so finished exactly at 16:33:48 Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:33:28 GMT+1 jonnie Gillian was right Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:32:54 GMT+1 David_McNickle Eddie, "I know what you're getting for Christmas." "No you don't." "Yes I do." "No you don't." "Yes I do." How do you know?" "I felt your presents." (Better heard than read.)I've got a record of that organ sortie. Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:32:46 GMT+1 gossipmistress They could always truncate the organ at the end.... Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:31:44 GMT+1 jonnie Phew! Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:31:03 GMT+1 gossipmistress Yay! Just finished packing the presents! Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:30:10 GMT+1 Gillianian Not at this rate, Eddie - the organist's on a go-slow Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:30:08 GMT+1 jonnie Can they not just speed up 'Thinking aloud'That's what we used to do at LBC Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:29:25 GMT+1 eddiemair At the moment we're due on about a minute past five... Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:28:42 GMT+1 David_McNickle CG 10, We only did 8 Lesson and Carols this year so as not to bore people like Eddie.Just starting Hark The Herald Angels Sing. I'll bet that is the last Carol. Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:28:25 GMT+1 jonnie Oh forgot Hark the Herald! Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:27:50 GMT+1 jonnie If they speed up the prayers Eddie may squeeze the trail in? Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:27:13 GMT+1 David_McNickle Eddie 9, As the man said, "That wasn't my cat."Just finishing O Come All Ye Faceless. Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:25:52 GMT+1 gossipmistress Oh come let us ignore him...... Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:25:43 GMT+1 jonnie Actuallly I've heard better - I think they were a little out there?And the organist? Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:25:16 GMT+1 Gillianian It could do with speeding up a bit, in my opinion.How's your throat, jonnie? Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:24:51 GMT+1 jonnie :-)Just concentrate on the descantsing choirs of angels Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:23:51 GMT+1 gossipmistress Jonnie - what are we to refrain from doing? Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:21:53 GMT+1 jonnie Right stand by - this is possibly the best audio you will hear all yearfrom an analogue FM transmitter DAB is awful.Charlie - clean yer ears out! Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:21:24 GMT+1 U13717586 19It's not THAT bad, though Edgie. Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:18:28 GMT+1 eddiemair Honestly...not NEARLY as good as my trail.... Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:17:05 GMT+1 U13717586 DMcN is so mean ,he won't even let the poor make xmas soup out of st alban's bone.14. Hear, hear!The year before last's was such a racket I switched it off.St Andrew's, Rugby's NLAC last Sunday evening was superb.There, descants don't drown main themes, etc, etc.And there's no electronic enhancement. Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:16:53 GMT+1 David_McNickle j 8, That's what the froggers deserve. Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:16:41 GMT+1 jonnie Charlie - It was fine here on FM from the IOW transmitterIn fact brilliant - and I was a sound engineer.Get a better tuner!O come all ye faitful-------------------------------O come, all ye faithful,Joyful and triumphant,O come ye, O come ye to Bethlehem;Come and behold him,Born the King of angels;O come, let us adore him,O come, let us adore him,O Come, let us adore him, Christ the Lord.God of God,Light of Light,Lo! He abhors not the Virgin's womb:Very God,Begotten, not created; RefrainSing, choirs of angels,Sing in exultation,Sing, all ye citizens of heaven above;Glory to GodIn the highest; RefrainSee how the shepherds,Summoned to his cradle,Leaving their flocks, draw nigh to gaze;We too will thitherBend our joyful footsteps; RefrainChild, for us sinnersPoor and in the manger,We would embrace thee, with love and awe;Who would not live thee,Loving us so dearly? RefrainYea, Lord, we greet thee,Born this happy morning;Jesus, to thee be glory given;Word of the Father,Now in flesh appearing; Refrain Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:15:28 GMT+1 David_McNickle Eddie 7, The building in the background was incidental. It was the St Albans Mummers you were supposed to be looking at because I was one of them, if that is the photo you are referring to. Besides, of the four or five others I sent, I think only one was of a relogious nature, a very tasteful nativity scene.You're just grumpy because of a religious program delaying your mellifluous tones. (Somebody just fumbled his reading.)My head explains everything to me. That's the way it works. Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:14:46 GMT+1 Charlie I'd say "Carol thing" sums it up nicely. For me at any rate. I did listen or try to listen, to the opening Carol "Once in Royal ..." but the sound quality was poor. In fact, very poor.Anyway, shame this over-run problem, if it happens, didn't occur yesterday. PM could have maybe accommodated that, from what I've read and, probably with little difficulty. Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:11:42 GMT+1 jonnie Stand by for 'O Come all ye faitful' at around 20 past!I'll post the lyrics up I'll be doing the descant! Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:10:49 GMT+1 eddiemair Honestly Jonnie...WHERE is your PATIENCE...remember last year? ;o) Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:10:14 GMT+1 gossipmistress You could always just pop up in between the shepherds and the Kings arriving, and give us your trailer. I'm sure no-one would mind... Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:09:51 GMT+1 Chris Ghoti Don't they time it beforehand? Not that I am complaining if it is a bit longer than usual, but what is usual, I mean does it go over quite often or is this the first time they have crashed the pips?Yes, I am listening, but I'm glad I'm not in the congregation because so far the only one I have known well enough to sing for myself was Once In Royal, I think. So I can get on with making a cake rather than sitting mum on a not-very-comfortable bench-thingy and hoping for something to do some time. Treating it as a musical matter rather than an act of worship, let's say.Oh good, God Rest You! (waves batter-y spoon) Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:08:59 GMT+1 eddiemair Then I suppose there was that cat dressed as Santa we posted on the 5th.... ;o) Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:07:50 GMT+1 jonnie Indeed David - and my beautiful Norwegian Spruce bought especially for the Froggers turned out to be some Argos chavvy thing when it appeared on the advent blog! Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:06:14 GMT+1 eddiemair Of course David (5) it explains no such thing except perhaps in your head.In any case I seem to recall a rather lovely shot we used on the 12th? From a David someone...of a religious building....? Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:06:03 GMT+1 jonnie Well it's a welcome respite from gloom and doom........ and even more retail outlets closing down¬Our local Robert Dyas (Boscombe) has just been told they will be closing - they are losing too much money by shoplifters - which they tell me has increased enormously over the last year. Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:03:13 GMT+1 David_McNickle j 2, That explains many of the Advent calendar entries that were used. None of my religious ones were used, not even the sprout tree.I saw my 'twig' tree developing on Lead Balloon the other night.Eddie3, It was Lessons and Carols. Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:03:05 GMT+1 Gillianian Thanks for the reminder ;o) Wed 24 Dec 2008 16:01:08 GMT+1 eddiemair That's right. The Carol thing. Wed 24 Dec 2008 15:57:40 GMT+1 jonnie Ninety years ago, shortly after the end of the First World War, the then Dean of King's, Eric Milner-White, devised and led the service in the College Chapel for the first time.Ten years later, in 1928, it was first transmitted by the British Broadcasting Company. The pattern of the Festival, based around nine Bible readings which tell the story of the loving purposes of God, has remained the same and for many people all over the world, it heralds the beginning of Christmas. Wed 24 Dec 2008 15:54:42 GMT+1 jonnie CAROL THING! 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