Comments for http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml en-gb 30 Sat 19 Apr 2014 05:23:43 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml David_McNickle http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=97#comment35 pmL 35, I don't mess around with Firefox or Yahoo. Yahoo is full of Viagra ads. Sometimes I do the Adobe updates just to get rid of them. Tue 21 Oct 2008 13:45:00 GMT+1 U11204129 http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=94#comment34 Can I lower the tone**** of this computer science tutorial ?Updates.I was fool enough to accept some Firefox updates recently. The programme is now definitely worse.As for Yahoo, its new mail system (which in RL I am regularly offered and now always reject) is 10 times worse than the old one.Plus I get pestered with Adobe updates and security checks, which whether I accept or reject them just keep coming.**** Can I ever not - it's my wont and bent! Tue 21 Oct 2008 12:46:30 GMT+1 mittfh http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=91#comment33 Justfloating (33) - welcome to the world of the farmer, where any organism that negatively affects their crops / livestock is regarded as evil and must be destroyed.Native plants compete with crops so must be eliminated with herbicide. Birds of Prey eat pigeons and game birds, so historically were shot or poisoned. Foxes eat poultry and sheep, so must be hunted and shot. Wild boar ate livestock, so had to be killed. And so the list goes on... Tue 21 Oct 2008 12:36:02 GMT+1 justfloating http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=88#comment32 When will people stop playing with nature. Killing off ALL fish in a river by using a broad poison so that their beloved salmon will be safe to sell, is so selfish. Maybe they should be looking at the other natural predators of the parasite. Even looking at what they have done to the banks of the river and the plant life that is missing. How about finding out what symbiotic organism the last poisoning/industrial pollution session destroyed. Or even look at the damage they are doing to other estuary fish breeding stocks. Save the Salmon, destroy the World. Tue 21 Oct 2008 12:16:19 GMT+1 David_McNickle http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=86#comment31 mittfh 29, As I have noooo trouble using my computer, it is the rest of you who appear to be confussed.Orf to look at iPM. Tue 21 Oct 2008 10:12:18 GMT+1 David_McNickle http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=83#comment30 BB 28, Nope, I'm right. As I don't know, I can say it's the computer, the chocolate fudge sauce, the combine harvester, or whatever I want. Aaaaand (To whomsoever, don't tell me not to say 'aaaaand'!), as my computer was made by a computer nerd around the corner (Computer Nerds Inc.), it doesn't even have a brand name (sniff, sniff, boo hoo); IBM keyboard, Packard Bell screen, Microsoft mouse, Belkin wireless do dah thingy. BB 30, Sing that for me. Tue 21 Oct 2008 09:51:22 GMT+1 U13643995 http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=80#comment29 mittfh - You sound like Humph on ISIHAC explaining the concept of 'One Song to the Tune of Another'! Tue 21 Oct 2008 09:35:15 GMT+1 mittfh http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=77#comment28 David: let's try an analogy.Imagine a choir singing a song. The composer writes the score, and initially everyone sticks to the written score. However, one particular singer comes along that's bigger, bolder and louder than the rest. This artist sings slightly off-key, and also introduces a variety of trills and warbles not in the score. The rest of the singers stick to the score. However, the orchestra soon finds it tempting to play the lead singer's tune rather than the written score.The singers are different web browsers.The lead singer is Internet Explorer.The orchestra are web designers.The composer is the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), and the score is the HTML Standards they publish.If you're still confused...I give up! :) Tue 21 Oct 2008 09:22:45 GMT+1 U13643995 http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=75#comment27 DMcN (26) - Then you figure wrong. The problem isn't with the computer, the problem is with the compatibility of the blog's coding. But don't let - 'I don't know what any of that means' - stop you commenting. Tue 21 Oct 2008 09:10:14 GMT+1 David_McNickle http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=72#comment26 mittfh 21, I don't know what you are talking about either. Tue 21 Oct 2008 08:52:17 GMT+1 David_McNickle http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=69#comment25 BB 19, Because this is a blog. I figure if I can use a computer without knowing what he was saying, he should be able to make his work with all the knowledge he has.C_G 20, Thanks, but I make my own wine. Tue 21 Oct 2008 08:51:09 GMT+1 U13643995 http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=66#comment24 Annasee (22) - As it happens I do know that old nag. He is usually in the same stables as me but following a severe bout of spasmodic colic he has gone to an equine rest home for recovery. I'm expecting him back imminently.How's Gordon? Tue 21 Oct 2008 08:32:23 GMT+1 Chris Ghoti http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=63#comment23 pmL @ 23, thanks for reminding me: I heard that in the car and meant to say 'well done Charlie for pointing him out!' as soon as I got home, but food was a bigger priority and then I forgot. So attaCharlie for causing this good story.pmL, I think it was 'you have a mortgage or you rent a place and you keep up with your payments, but the mortgage on the property gets sold and sold and sold from one bank to another, and the records of your payments get lost (or the money gets 'lost') between one financial institution and another, and suddenly you're being thrown out even though your payments have been made and kept up-to-date by *you*.' That seemed to be what the Sherrif was refusing to do any more. He was insisting that only people who really hadn't paid up should be evicted, and people who could produce the right receipts weren't going to be, not by him and his men anyway. Mon 20 Oct 2008 21:40:54 GMT+1 U11204129 http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=61#comment22 Can't hear the reprise of the item, 'cos PM Listen Again won't let me. (A technical matter for y'all, I fear)But that item about the Sherrif of Cook County (which I could only catch snatches of as I boiled my swede), was that about repossessions per se, or repossessions of tenanted places when the LANDLORD had defaulted? (I ask, 'cos this latter seems the only thing I can find on line). Mon 20 Oct 2008 21:11:53 GMT+1 annasee http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=58#comment21 BB tee hee - you're not another horse in disguise, are you? Only the tone of your comment sounds faintly reminiscent of another equine we used to see around here - from time to time. He was funny too. Brief and to the point. Mon 20 Oct 2008 20:48:45 GMT+1 mittfh http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=55#comment20 FireFox 3.0.3: Everything behaves OK apart from "More PM Team Photos", which overlaps the top right photo. However HTML Tidy produces 12 warnings...IE7: "More PM Team Photos" appears below the photos. Pound symbol renders as [].Chrome: Same as FF 3.0.3Shiretoko (FF 3.1b1): I assume the same as FF 3.0.3, but I can't run the two simultaneously. Mon 20 Oct 2008 18:32:31 GMT+1 Chris Ghoti http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=52#comment19 BB on DMcN @ 19, prolly cos he is vastly entertaining when he goes into curmudgeon mode, and he knows we enjoy pointing our fingers at him and giggling.I forget how many thousands the system running Firefox has probably run to one way and another, David. That's because I don't know what to cost the time of the bloke it belongs to at, him being in the 'run computer for major gang' category and me not knowing what they pay him for making their systems for them...All very cheapskate.Oh, and the pub? He's got a small one off his main room. Come and have some home-brew. Mon 20 Oct 2008 18:09:59 GMT+1 U13643995 http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=50#comment18 DMcN (18) - If you don't know what any of it means, what makes you think your opinion is worth sharing? Mon 20 Oct 2008 17:12:56 GMT+1 David_McNickle http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=47#comment17 FF (not to be confused witf ff) 13, I don't know what any of that means.....and my computer works. Mon 20 Oct 2008 16:58:41 GMT+1 David_McNickle http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=44#comment16 Or Sid if you prefer. Mon 20 Oct 2008 16:56:32 GMT+1 David_McNickle http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=41#comment15 Sis 14, The 'brain' of my computer only cost 350 pounds. The other bits I got free. And I have no problem with any of the blog. Except for a couple of posters. Mon 20 Oct 2008 16:55:56 GMT+1 Fifi http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=38#comment14 One for the Pestons of the day...It was April and the Aboriginals in a remote part of Northern Australia asked their new elder if the coming winter was going to be cold or mild.Since he was an elder in a modern community he had never been taught the old secrets. When he looked at the sky he couldn't tell what the winter was going to be like.Nevertheless, to be on the safe side, he told his tribe that the winter was indeed going to be cold and that the members of the tribe should collect firewood to be prepared.But being a practical leader, after several days he had an idea.He walked out to the telephone booth on the highway, called the Bureau of Meteorology and asked, 'Is the coming winter in this area going to be cold?' The meteorologist responded, 'It looks like this winter is going to be quite cold.'So the elder went back to his people and told them to collect even more wood in order to be prepared.A week later he called the Bureau of Meteorology again. 'Does it still looklike it is going to be a very cold winter?' The meteorologist again replied, 'Yes, it's going to be a very cold winter.'The elder again went back to his community and ordered them to collect every scrap of firewood they could find.Two weeks later the elder called the Bureau again. 'Are you absolutely sure that the winter is going to be very cold?' he asked. 'Absolutely,' the man replied. 'It's looking more and more like it is going to be one of the coldest winters ever.''How can you be so sure?' the elder asked.The weatherman replied, 'Our satellites have reported that the Aboriginals in the north are collecting firewood like crazy, and that's always a sure sign.';o) Mon 20 Oct 2008 16:44:46 GMT+1 Sid http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=36#comment13 D McN - if you really think that 'computer which does not default to IE' = 'cheap computer', you should think again. Mon 20 Oct 2008 16:03:08 GMT+1 Fearless Fred http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=33#comment12 DMcN (11). I'm with CG on this. I use a range of different OS and different browsers. Whilst IE may have a majority of the users, there are a growing number of people who *don't* use IS/Windows. These other combinations tend to adhere to web standards much more closely that the MS combinations. I think Auntie should look at their pages, including all the blogs to ensure they stick to the internationally agreed standards, rather than going for the easiest options... Mon 20 Oct 2008 15:38:47 GMT+1 Thunderbird http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=30#comment11 mittfh (2) Thanks for the little quiz, 4 out of five on the imperial (never heard of a league as a messure of length) didn't bother with the metric, it's all too logical.As I tell my kids, us older ones just use feet and inches to wind up the EU, similar to the French speaking in French. Both things will die out soon enough Mon 20 Oct 2008 15:32:14 GMT+1 David_McNickle http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=27#comment10 C_G 1, Yep, we're bored hearing about it. Unload your cheap computer, get a different provider, go to the pub for a drink. Mon 20 Oct 2008 15:18:04 GMT+1 vainly_here http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=25#comment9 PML - you might like this:The roots of a crisis are in the system itself, which must continue to expand; as soon as it ceases to expand, it contracts, often quite violently. The crises are in the nature of the capitalist system, not some abberation caused by immoral or stupid borrowing by individuals. Indeed, it was and is in the interests of the system to encourage unaware/inexperienced/uneducated poor people (who after all only want a house to live in, to participate in the dream of our 'house-owning' democracy) to buy beyond their means, to help keep the wheels on the system, to keep the profits and bonuses flowing.The system requires spending: your reasonable refusal to throw caution to the wind and just borrow is what forced the banks to go sub-prime, to those who would borrow without the means to pay.Your individual reasonableness was unreasonable for the system.We have to find a way out of this conundrum. Preferably without giving yet more money to the rich, through your "steadily increasing tax bills". The money won't go to the 'bad choice' poor, who merely want a home: they'll be evicted. Your tax money will go to those who already have multiple houses.[from another discussion board] Mon 20 Oct 2008 14:48:40 GMT+1 U11204129 http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=22#comment8 Capitalism is about claiming your paper assets are worth more than they are...bidding them up as hard as you can go...........as soon as you've forced the price of (real) labour down by unemployment and privation****.....and the FTSE today is at???**** The Austrians call that process a ....credit crunch... Mon 20 Oct 2008 14:28:04 GMT+1 U11204129 http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=19#comment7 ..EQUALITY... Mon 20 Oct 2008 13:35:29 GMT+1 U11204129 http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=16#comment6 ...above all.... Mon 20 Oct 2008 13:34:41 GMT+1 U11204129 http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=13#comment5 Socialism is about meeting social needs first, distributing the unpleasant but necessary work fairly, (your lineage, does it owe or is it owed the efforts and distresses of such work), and, Mon 20 Oct 2008 13:33:54 GMT+1 U11204129 http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=11#comment4 Markets distort socialist decision making. Mon 20 Oct 2008 13:24:18 GMT+1 Big Sister http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=8#comment3 mittfh (2): I was really cheered by the news of the motorcyclist, living as I do very close to a favourite route of 'racing' motorcyclists. Their conduct sometimes beggars belief, and I think we need a few more stiff sentences meted out to irresponsible (and dangerous) cyclists to try to stop these excesses. Mon 20 Oct 2008 11:48:58 GMT+1 mittfh http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=5#comment2 Meanwhile, on the doom & gloom side of things, I had a letter from Atlantic Electricity & Gas on Saturday...Electricity up 19.2%Gas up 29.2%But slightly more infuriating was that it was written in the future tense (prices will rise), but the effective date was in the past (25th August). Grrr.And the spring price rise letter was headed "Last to raise prices - again!" (never mind burying bad news - spin it as good news!) Mon 20 Oct 2008 11:34:39 GMT+1 mittfh http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=2#comment1 Here's today's daily digest of the lighter side of the news:Weather sparks autumn spectacular136mph web video biker is jailed (helpful hint: if you're going to perform stupid illegal stunts, don't film them and upload to YouTube...)Imperial vs Metric quiz (in light of new government advice to avoid prosecuting metric martyrs) - I got 3/5 on the Imperial quiz and 5/5 on the Metric.IBEX - the launch of NASA's Interstellar Boundary EXplorer.A green data centre is planned for Scotland. Mon 20 Oct 2008 11:31:00 GMT+1 Chris Ghoti http://wwwsearch.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/10/the_glass_box_25.shtml?page=0#comment0 For the information of anyone who's bored by my banging on at intervals about not being able to see bits of this blog on account of it being geared for Internet Explorer but not all the other browsers (she said from a Firefox box which also shows the text and pictures superimposed) I occasionally get a little light coming on over my head illuminating the words 'Universal Service Commitment' that used to be in the BBC Charter. It sort of suggests that the BBC are meant to be for all the people with say a telly, not just the ones with a telly that happens to suit the BBC, for instance. I just wonder whether the same applies to web browsers and such-like, or whether that charter got re-written while I wasn't looking... The word 'Universal' no longer occurs in that charter, after all, so perhaps nobody cares about the 20% or so (and rising) who don't use IE. Mon 20 Oct 2008 11:27:36 GMT+1