Comments for en-gb 30 Fri 29 May 2015 18:58:10 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at annehay Someone told me that Eddie Marr had asked for WW1 memories. My grandfather wrote a 8,000 word account and sent it into the BBC in 1969 in order to share it with other WW1 veterans and in the hope of hearing theirs. It was rejected, but I have recently wordprocessed it and sent it to one or two people who have loved reading it. It is full of humour, empty of self-pity and relates several incidents in great detail. I would love to make it available in his memory. Here is the beginning: In 1914 I was what they nowadays call a teenager, nevertheless I was called up by the army authorities because I was a Territorial, being a member of the Territorial Band. I simply joined this crowd because I wanted free musical tuition and was handed a most beautiful instrument, a cornet, which I gave full attention, never missing a practice, and I enjoyed this immensely. During this year, at least up till August 1914 from 1913, I paid my weekly subscription to a holiday fund which broke up and we duly received our five pounds four shillings, being two shillings per week. I felt like a millionaire. My pal and I made up our minds to have a week’s holiday in Rothesay, so I wrote and booked a room for the two of us which in those days cost 15/- per week, and we were well catered for. We met a fine landlady and when we had had a few glorious days we booked a sail on a boat leaving the harbour at 10 am returning at 10 pm, cost of the ticket two shillings and sixpence, we had to buy our food on the ‘voyage’ but a sandwich cost the princely sum of two pence, cup of tea one penny. The main attraction of this sail was a dance on deck in the evening by torchlight, torches being placed at intervals along the deck-rail. This was a never to be forgotten affair, but when we got home to our boarding house the landlady was very sad saying she was very sorry she would lose us and she handed me a telegram from my home town stating that we must return immediately – ‘called up for service’.This was the beginning of a ghastly few years which I always felt were literally wasted years of my life, but I am pleased I was able to overcome for not once but hundreds of times I felt I would be caught either by a bullet or by shrapnel, or worse, by gas. This is not a poor soul story for I had during that time some very happy days and I want to recall some of them. Wed 05 Nov 2008 19:21:21 GMT+1 Chris Ghoti Well, I have turned off the machine and started again, just to see whether that makes any difference....I haven't been following this, but it occurs to me that I don't know whether Max's wife actually didn't know that he went to prostitutes. It has been the case before now that a wife who has objections to ess and em (I do know some who are in that scene, Big Sister, so I am talking about cases I know as well as about anecdotal evidence) but who loves the chap in other matters than sexual preference has actively told him 'You go to tarts for that if you want it, just don't ask me to join in' and meant it, or has been prepared to accept that he goes to a local ess and em gathering. If Max's wife was in this position, then she might be horribly shocked and distressed not by the fact of his proclivities, about which she knew before, but about the scandal and the fact that now all her friends know too, and she has to deal with their pity and scorn and so forth.If that is the case then the newspapers are much worse than Max was. It is possible. It is *certainly* likely that whatever she feels about what he did, she feels absolutely furious with the press for smashing her world -- which they most certainly have. And for what? For the sake of their circulation.It makes me feel that they more than anyone else make money from sex; not as tarts, but as pimps, since they don't themselves actually have sex with anyone, they just make their money from other people doing so. Yuck, as far as I am concerned! Wed 15 Oct 2008 22:19:16 GMT+1 Chris Ghoti Nope, it is determined that my first line (which it didn't mind when it didn't have the rest of the comment following it) contains HTML it can't cope with. Very strange. Wed 15 Oct 2008 22:12:12 GMT+1 Chris Ghoti So I am about to try posting a copy of that which the machine rejected as improperly HTML:and what it gave me this time was+++++++++++There has been a problem... Your comment contains some HTML that has been mistyped. An error occurred while parsing EntityName on line 3 +++++++++++what fun! (not) Wed 15 Oct 2008 22:08:45 GMT+1 Chris Ghoti I tried to post here, and got:++++++++++There has been a problem... Your comment contains some HTML that has been mistyped. An error occurred while parsing EntityName on line 1 ++++++++++*My* first line contained no HTML whatever, and read 'I haven't been following this, but it occurs to me', which seems not to have anything wrong with it... Wed 15 Oct 2008 22:05:36 GMT+1 Big Sister Well, Suzeemoon, if I were his wife, I'd call it outrageous, and I've yet to meet anyone in my acquaintance who thinks otherwise. But, then, I don't know anyone who's into S&M. Sun 12 Oct 2008 16:39:22 GMT+1 David_McNickle pmL 45, Add end, um, er, 'hanged'. Sun 12 Oct 2008 08:59:11 GMT+1 suzeemoon Well, Big Sister, We'll have to agree to disagree on this one I think. I don't know enough about Mr Max to be able to label his behaviour as 'outrageous' and surely protection for ALL from such tabloid exposure was the point?I thought this WAS actually about "the tabloids and their behaviour" - His points made sense to me, whether his behaviour was 'outrageous' or not. Sun 12 Oct 2008 00:06:25 GMT+1 Big Sister suzeemoon: He may have SOUNDED reasonable - as he trained as a barrister, I would expect no less. However, making an argument 'sound' reasonable doesn't make it reasonable, and while there is an argument to be had about the tabloids and their behaviour, Mr. Max's behaviour was, when put under the spotlight, considered to be pretty outrageous by most fairminded people. It was a great pity that his wife had to learn about her husband's behaviour in this manner, but he was the perpetrator of that behaviour, not the tabloids. Just because he has a lot of money doesn't make him immune from an expectation of taking his marriage vows seriously. Sat 11 Oct 2008 07:44:23 GMT+1 suzeemoon Big Sister,Based on stuff I'd picked up I didn't like Max either, despite understanding his sexual proclivities. Having heard the interview on PM I was genuinely surprised at how reasonable he sounded. I didn't find him 'holier than thou' and thought he had right on his side. My earlier opinion was more like the Fayed and Hamiltons and lesser of two evils, but - as said - I was actually surprised at my own reaction to the man himself. I can see that "everyone has their little secrets" is no defence, but many do and are vulnerable when the tabloid press can behave like this. Personally, I am more concerned about teachers, social workers, vicars etc being pilloried (publicly and against their will!) than Max, but for me it is same principle. Fri 10 Oct 2008 21:22:46 GMT+1 U11204129 23Sorry, the original contained 'naughties' To hide my embarrassment at the mistakes.HerewithCORRIGENDUM6. Typed lines 23-24, should read 'lock stock and barrel into the PUBLIC sector',of course, not 'private'.21. Typed lines 10 and 11 from the bottom, should read '...all be hung together - or worse, made to get proper jobs'Throughout both, where you think it should be, read its for it's.With apologies Thu 09 Oct 2008 17:02:44 GMT+1 Big Sister Suzee: You could be right. But I don't like Mr. Max's 'holier than thou' stance, nor his assertion that everyone has their little secrets. That's not a defence when there are others involved.And, for what it's worth, I think the feelings of a spouse will be somewhat different to those of a parent in a case like this. Thu 09 Oct 2008 16:37:37 GMT+1 suzeemoon Chris Ghoti,Agree totally with Post 40. There are people besides Max and me who have certain sexual tastes that make then vulnerable to such 'exposure'. I've read of people in caring professions similarly exposed as though a danger to children and the vulnerable. He has been 'outed' against his will and I admire his decision to do something that may protect others from tabloid humiliation and ensuing life change. I do not cheat on anybody or pay prostitutes, but I still would not wish my parents or colleagues to know about my sex life. Re Post 41 - Perhaps it's the impotent who are writing or commissioning these 'scandals'?! Thu 09 Oct 2008 16:28:30 GMT+1 Chris Ghoti Big Sister @ 41, I'm glad someone saw that comment before it was moderated off the board. I wonder what I said that was wrong, apart from being perhaps a little rude about the newspapers. :-)I didn't hear MM's defence or whatever it was, but I do wonder what his sex-life has to do with his ability to run anything else.Why is it that nobody ever seems to have doubt thrown on their capacity to run anything because they are impotent, I wonder? Not 'news', perhaps, or just not as theoretically interesting to the Great British Public? Thu 09 Oct 2008 12:12:37 GMT+1 Big Sister Yes, Chris, I agree with your general comment, but for Mr. Max to now try to turn this to his advantage creates a rather unpleasant smell, don't you think?I can't abide people who try to make out that they are the victim in cases like this and I'd be hard pushed to say which was the worse: the newspapers or the person in question. Thu 09 Oct 2008 10:03:32 GMT+1 Chris Ghoti Moseley: either way, wasn't it somewhat stinking to try to bribe the people he did this with into exaggerating his behaviour, and then to splash it all over a newspaper so that Mrs. Max would 'read it here first'?I do rather wonder what 'public interest' other than old-fashioned prurience was served by the newspaper. What has somebody's sex-life to do with his ability to run Formula One racing, or any other thing?Like the bloke or not, trust him or not, have any opinion about him or not, I can't help feeling that the power of the newspapers to wreck the lives of not-particularly-public figures (which of us before this had ever heard of Max Moseley, or cared?) just so their sales are healthy is a rather sordid thing in itself. Who among us *doesn't* have *something* we'd rather not have all over the front page, slanted to present it in the worst possible light?So whether Mr M is a hypocrite or not, I always feel that the newspapers are worse ones in this sort of thing. Thu 09 Oct 2008 10:00:21 GMT+1 Big Sister Re Max Mosley, he came across to me as a one hundred per cent hypocrite, clawing to gain some kind of moral high ground. To make out that most people, like him, have their 'little' vices that they keep away from their spouses is no defence, even if it were true, and does no credit to the many married couples who endeavour to be honest and open in their relationships. True, many a man will peruse the 'top shelves', but how many take that to the steps Mr. Mosley did (even assuming they had the money to do so)?If Mrs. Max had no inkling of what he was getting up to, then Mr. Max must have been covering his tracks pretty well over time (and from what he said, I understood that he's been doing this for many years). Doesn't that make him an even bigger hypocrite?Mrs. Max - Why oh why? Thu 09 Oct 2008 07:19:18 GMT+1 suzeemoon I disagree, doctorTimothy. Of course he was dishonest with his wife and it was his behaviour that was central to her humiliation. But there is a huge difference between discovering your OH has betrayed you and discovering that half the country upwards is in on the secret and disgusted and/or amused and probably feeling sorry for you...Mosley is I believe older than me - I'm 53 - Like me perhaps he thought he was weird and perverted and did not wish to expose his wife to his 'weakness'? He would not have an Internet full of spanking sites when he made his marriage vows. Most spankos I've met or with whom I've had dialogue have been 'that way' from their youth. I'm not condemning or condoning, but I do understand...I LA'd to the interview. He struck me (no pun intended!) as reasonable. Wed 08 Oct 2008 16:16:11 GMT+1 doctorTimothyS I listened to Max Mosley yesterday with amazement. While the issue of invasion of privacy is clearly something that he and other "celebs" have to suffer unless it becomes illegal, it is beyond belief that Max should blame the media exposees of his sexual shennanigans for the pain caused to his family. If he does not want to cause his family that sort of pain and embarrassment he could easily decide not to indulge his sexual fantasies with prostitutes. If he really believes the stuff he said yesterday about sexual freedom, then he can explain that to his wife and either have an open relationship (that she knows about in advance) or perhaps have her divorce him. The waffle we heard was insincere and hypocritical. Wed 08 Oct 2008 12:51:50 GMT+1 Fifi I liked Ropeston better when he confined himself to summing up the story in a couple of well-turned sound bites, albeit in a very sing-song voice.Too wordy now. Wed 08 Oct 2008 12:50:52 GMT+1 Sindy BS - quite. What he says is actually quite comprehensible - if you can put his idiosyncratic speech patterns out of mind. I can't always. Wed 08 Oct 2008 12:48:58 GMT+1 Big Sister Perky: I don't dislike him at all, though like you he makes me edgy - but it's not what he says, it's the way he tells 'em! Wed 08 Oct 2008 12:34:47 GMT+1 Perky I'm going to stick my neck out and say that I quite like Robert Peston. I do go all edgy when he comes on (radio or TV) because I'm never sure he's going to get through everything he wants to say - but at least it makes me listen - and I find myself backing him to get through his report without coming to a complete standstill!There. I'll duck now 'coz I expect some dissention ;) Wed 08 Oct 2008 10:07:31 GMT+1 Big Sister Dr. H (2): Why have third best when you can have Sequin? ;o)(No offence meant, Paddy! - Anyway, we need you to hand out the honeyspoons .....) Wed 08 Oct 2008 08:46:40 GMT+1 Big Sister 30: That's really cheered me up! and the sun is coming out. Tralala! Not even Doom 'n Gloom Peston can stop the sun from shining on a lovely autumnal day.Incidentally, has anyone else noticed that Mr. Peston's strange vocal mannerisms seem to get worse at times like this, and I'm wondering if it isn't a case of nerves/stress. After all, he's an economist, not a broadcaster, by training and not everyone is as confident at addressing the nation as, say, our Sequin, or Eddie, or even Andrew Marr. Wed 08 Oct 2008 08:32:57 GMT+1 Lady_Sue (29) Thank goodness it wasn't only me. I was feeling very sorry for the poor sailors and curious about the special banking deal made between the Royal Navy and Iceland. Wed 08 Oct 2008 08:29:01 GMT+1 mittfh @28:So I misheard as well?! I was wondering why so many sailors were trying to withdraw money from an Icelandic bank...Meanwhile Robbie Peston has learned exactly what our government is planning to do to prop up the banks - IIRC (I was in a haze, just waking up at the time and not really switched on to digesting financial information) 50bn UKP of taxpayers money will be made available to any bank that asks for it, and the government will also underwrite all bank to bank loans. I'm not sure where the much talked about " exchange for shares..." comes in to the plan, but presumably the thinking is that if the government buys shares in banks (but not the entire bank), then they can benefit over time.The public spin will be that when the economy eventually improves, they can sell off the shares at a profit and hopefully repay a small fraction of the national debt.But I can't help wondering if this will eventually encourage irresponsible lending again, after all the banks will continue to be propped up by the UK Treasury for several years to come, and even if/when good times return, it would be a brave chancellor who said "OK, you're all sorted now, we're going to revoke all the legislation that has kept you afloat..." Surely it's in the banks' best interests to maintain the perception that they need this protection ad infinitum... Wed 08 Oct 2008 07:16:41 GMT+1 Lady_Sue Re. Iceland: Did anyone else think the reporters were saying, "300,000 sailors have been told..."? Wed 08 Oct 2008 06:21:41 GMT+1 suzeemoon I was amused that your forecast of stories to come gave the impression that the latest Max Mosley item may be part of Postman Pat and Bob the Builder 'modernisation' - if it ever happens, please can I write the scripts?! I realise how easy it is to make fun of Mosley, but I found myself agreeing with everything he said about his 'press coverage'. I thought it an excellent interview. Tue 07 Oct 2008 21:37:01 GMT+1 U11204129 23.Tues. 9 o'clock.Well if the past is anything to go by, Dow falling 450 points AFTER London closes will take about 225 points off London when it opens in the morning.So the 'Rescue Plan', in terms of the FTSE numbers starts about 4.5 percent down.Goodness, am I the only person to find this so-called rescue plan execreble?The banking sector is like a set of fully grown pigs insisting on going back to the sow, for comfort and succour. They've got money, they're hoarding it. They don't need a penny of ours.We need it for the NHS, housing, schools, the quality of BBC blogs 'n' all.What weeds and toads King, Darling and co. ARE!!!They know, the pollsters have told them, that the Great British public wants them and Brown and Mandelson to cure the crisis, and then get out. (It'll be dressed up as the need to recharge the Labour batteries, to retire tired leaders in the war against the Crunch etc)And these Labour heroes of ours are going to give the bankers money?!?!?They evidently think a smooth passage to over-stuffed retirement, the lucrative lecture circuit, the paralytically boring memoirs, the television punditry, the sinecure as some international Major Domo, bringing Embassy dinner diplomacy to some world problem already solved, is what they should aim for and protect.And socialism, economic justice, ordinary decency?These people are crawling on their bellies on the earth. Sticks and stones, worse than senseless things.We put them on licence, to take back power from the Thatcherite Tories. A licence to rewrite TEMPORARILY the rules of socialism, to bring a benighted country back to its senses.Well, it is, thank you.And now, like toads you propose to save the banking sector, of all things, from socialism, of all things.May your caviare and champagne turn to frogs spawn and vinegar in your mouths.Think! Ramshackle Mc Donald, Blair's war, and now.....BROWN'S BANKS.Goodness, you people are worse, even, than the trolls DMcN has identified on this blog Tue 07 Oct 2008 21:03:35 GMT+1 Big Sister Gillanian (19) - Brilliant! Tue 07 Oct 2008 20:06:02 GMT+1 DI_Wyman Whoops, sooooo sorry I forgot to job Sequin and's a wrap! Tue 07 Oct 2008 19:24:07 GMT+1 U11204129 This post has been Removed Tue 07 Oct 2008 18:42:38 GMT+1 disinclination Took 356GRB's advice! Absolutely tickled! Colinthecoastguard.comBet you cannot do the 'spot the difference' in under one minute! (56 seconds for me) Check it out Gordon whilst the economy burns! Tue 07 Oct 2008 18:28:13 GMT+1 U11204129 7pm. 19.00. Tuesday Do you think Dow has been holding up this fall (270 points and falling), to stop spooking the European markets further?(When London etc closed Dow was no more than 50 points to the good (down), as it had been all day).Could market makers there, POSSIBLY have that sort of power - here, of DELAY?!?!?!Perish the thought. These markets are competitive*****, there is no such thing as....................the Conventional Wisdom (which can change moment by moment), as, like sheep, they all turn this way and that togetherorthe Orthodox View that all market makers (should) share (the views generated by the mathematican theorists (who rattle incoherently about Black and Scholes and who are now so discredited they are trying to crawl back to nuclear physics - it's safer there) and by 'Old Money' and it's retainers (usually posh types)orthe Social Class Consciousness of the rentier class ('We must hang together or we shall all be hung togehter - or worsemade ot get proper jobs'),.................. is there?Anyway, enjoy! It means Dow is back to over 6 percent down in two days. And falling.**** I'll buy 'self destructive'.PS If the banks are hoarding cash and refusing to lend to each other (Pissedon's Pecks at some stage in his insider meanderings) why should we put government money on their balance sheets?It's money that comes off the schools and hospitals budgets, y'know. Tue 07 Oct 2008 18:27:05 GMT+1 Gillianian I really enjoyed tonight's programme - a great mix, well put together and presented with Caroline's usual aplomb.Much as I loved the old Postman Pat, I'm sure the plot-lines must have been wearing thin. The new one sounds really exciting and imaginative - I hope Pat's stuck to his diet so he'll be fit enough for all his new activities ;o) Tue 07 Oct 2008 18:03:27 GMT+1 Gillianian Isn't Iceland an offshore branch of Northern Rock?! Tue 07 Oct 2008 17:49:31 GMT+1 DI_Wyman Bu££er, I put all my funds into Iceland and now they have frozen me assets.'Snot fair play, come on Gordy and Darkling get yer collective fingers out!Like Richard de la Virgin said, we will jus move our readies 'offshore' Tue 07 Oct 2008 17:36:14 GMT+1 witchi I don't know why but I find Caroline Lucas quite comfortig for a politican...can we have her on more often? Tue 07 Oct 2008 17:22:32 GMT+1 YetminsterYokel Depressing news all day. Does anyone else think that Robert Peston should just SHUT UP ???? He's making matters worse. Tue 07 Oct 2008 17:08:53 GMT+1 Chris Ghoti Anne P @ 11, it is the old, old confusion between 'fact' and 'truth'. When people told 'stories' (from 'histories', meaning 'things that happened') back in the middle ages, they always *said* in effect 'I got this out of an old French book/translation from the Latin/Greek tale, so that shows that it is true'. Nobody reading or listening seriously expected these things to be *factual*, events that took place exactly as recounted.If that had been expected, Christ would have been in a bit of a fuss about the parables, what with people demanding to know whose wedding the five wise and five foolish virgins were going to, or where exactly the Prodigal Son went, and so forth. :-) Tue 07 Oct 2008 17:07:54 GMT+1 Thunderbird Of course Postman Pat coulkd just be a kids programme that is a bit of fun for the under 5's and a good oppotunity for the BBC of selling plenty of murchandise. Tue 07 Oct 2008 17:07:22 GMT+1 356grb Re your item on Postman Pat and Bob the Builder - check out a new character for children Tue 07 Oct 2008 17:02:34 GMT+1 Big Sister Sorry, before the pedants correct, I should of course have said Morrisey Tue 07 Oct 2008 17:00:08 GMT+1 Anne P. So would someone like to explain to me just why we tell ourselves and our children stories if they bear no relation to reality. " Postman Pat is not real, so to suggest he's making a statement about real life doesn't make sense". Of course Postman Pat is not a real person but he does represent elements of real life and if he is being 'brought up to date' to represent progress then surely this is saying something very clearly about what some people consider to be progress and hence admirable and worthy of encouraging our children to aspire to. Tue 07 Oct 2008 16:59:39 GMT+1 U11235707 The Clangers were about community and moral solutions to life's problems.No wonder the BBC can't see their point. Tue 07 Oct 2008 16:56:39 GMT+1 Big Sister Will the new Postman Pat have a satnav? That could provide some very diverting story lines .....As to Bob the Builder, I wish more in his trade would look to him as a role model - on time, on budget, and knows how to use his tools. Ooops, sorry, I was thinking of Neil Morrison there ;o) Tue 07 Oct 2008 16:55:21 GMT+1 Big Sister I'm always intrigued to hear Lord Lawson's comments on the economy, particularly when I remember the Stamp Duty fiasco that he set in train in the '90s. That much said, I suspect he'd hold his hands up to that one. And how could one not forgive the father of the lovely Nigella? ;o) Tue 07 Oct 2008 16:53:17 GMT+1 Gumrat Re: Comment No 5, awaiting moderation -I'm not a new member, I've posted here before. Silly billies. Tue 07 Oct 2008 16:47:05 GMT+1 U11204129 FTSE. Sixteen points, 0.36 percent up!!!A come-back after losing 7.5 percent (over 350 points), yesterday?No, not even a dead cat bounce (all due respects to Tigris)My goodness, don't ya just love the 'official view' ideology being generated by our 'experts' .Try Piston Pecks for example.The story changes hourly. The aim of the narrative ('analysis') is to wrest intellectual control from ordinary people.'Cos we know that market cred. for markets is completely blown, and the experts don't have a figleaf of plausibility.As your guest, Lane Fox, in effect said. And where would all those posh BBC types and the experts, our betters, be without a narrative which establishes THEIR supremacy.As each story they tell is rubbished by events so their search for plausibility becomes as desperate as marketeers' searches for a reliable investment vehicle.Well, rubbished these people are. Enter Lane Fox with a new attempt to justify the unjustifiable. A businesswoman talking softly, gently and fluently (all necessary features of management-speak these days -they're supposed to add plausibility) about the need for a private, albeit reformed financial sector! Very persuasive, I'm sure!!We need the financial sector to be taken lock stock and barrel into the private sector.Curiously, Sir Keith Joseph would have approved. He thought crippled industries should be 'nationalised' brushed up and then sold off, (That was how he saw the post war 'nationalisations' and the Thatcher selloff.)PS Dow is down again.He was right about the public ownership bit.I found Lane Fox rather pathetic, really. She shouldn't worry. No doubt under socialism she will be given some sort of administrative post or even a proper job. Tue 07 Oct 2008 16:46:48 GMT+1 Gumrat @ Dr Hackenbush, no 2Never mind Paddy, where's Eddie? Tue 07 Oct 2008 16:42:06 GMT+1 justfloating Forget interest rate cuts. The loan availability is non existent. The government needs to bypass the banks in this case and help companies directly. The low end salary bill is where they need to look to encourage employment heavy companies. Temporary lowering of employers contributions could help. Give them time to react to the problems. Tue 07 Oct 2008 16:33:52 GMT+1 Lady_Sue Why don't the railway workers adopt the Japanese method of striking? The workers all turn up and run the trains they just don't charge the public for tickets. Tue 07 Oct 2008 16:30:29 GMT+1 Dr_Hackenbush Can we have Paddyo back? Tue 07 Oct 2008 16:08:45 GMT+1 thenicecatlady I see that there is to be a non emergency meeting at no.10 and that any announcement will be made in a "calm and orderly way". Hmmm that's all right then. I feel very reassured!! Tue 07 Oct 2008 15:52:04 GMT+1