Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/hugh_in_china_2.shtml http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/hugh_in_china_2.shtml en-gb 30 Sat 27 Dec 2014 20:58:33 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/hugh_in_china_2.shtml Aperitif http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/hugh_in_china_2.shtml?page=96#comment24 Boiled Bunny (22/24), I echo Big Sis' ponit about taxation. And suspect that you ought rather to have emailed your posting to the Daily Mail... Thu 31 Jul 2008 12:20:17 GMT+1 BoiledBunny http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/hugh_in_china_2.shtml?page=92#comment23 No, not Chinese. Just the son of a pensioner still working that taxed on their pension and on their earnings.Just the son of a service man that did 21 years. And for what? So this government could erode our liberties and freedoms for their own nerfarious reasons.Seems my posting falls foul of the profanity filter and so I have emailed it to PM, iPM, feedback and Any Answers. Wed 30 Jul 2008 19:00:33 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/hugh_in_china_2.shtml?page=88#comment22 BoiledBunny: I presume you speak for the Chinese Government, but I doubt you'll find that you carry the British public with you in your remarks.NHS cost constraints depend, fundamentally, upon the British citizen's willingness to pay tax beyond a certain point, not upon Government repression.As to the case you appear to make about convicted killers, I think that, if polled, they would prefer NOT to be in prison, whatever the conditions they may *enjoy* therein. Wed 30 Jul 2008 07:43:19 GMT+1 BoiledBunny http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/hugh_in_china_2.shtml?page=84#comment21 It's a device to ward off the platitudes of Brits talking nonsense about human rights?They execute criminals in China?So what here you can be denied health care for cost reasons whilst convicted murderers live the life of riley at our expense.The difference between British law abiding citizens having their lives curtailed due to NHS cost constraints and the Chinese killing criminals is?Who has the biggest DNA database in the world? Us, or the Chinese? Wed 30 Jul 2008 04:06:19 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/hugh_in_china_2.shtml?page=80#comment20 I'll second Big Sis's remarks.Houb Salaamed Tue 29 Jul 2008 17:23:53 GMT+1 needsanewnickname http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/hugh_in_china_2.shtml?page=76#comment19 PMHugh: just to echo Big Sis.The Uighur people are not the favourites of the Han Chinese, as I gathered from my brother who went there 20 years ago, and I don't suppose much has changed. What a good excuse for a security clamp-down.Not as bad as in Tibet, perhaps; but to be honest I feel rather despairing about the situation of minority peoples in China.PS: I passed the Chinese Embassy yesterday. Two rather fed-up-looking policemen patrolling the entrance. Almost next door, the Polish and Kenyan Embassies looked rather relaxed. Tue 29 Jul 2008 17:06:50 GMT+1 David_McNickle http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/hugh_in_china_2.shtml?page=72#comment18 A freedom clamp is the opposite of a chastity belt. Tue 29 Jul 2008 16:43:42 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/hugh_in_china_2.shtml?page=68#comment17 PMHugh: You may be certain that all regular (and fair-minded) listeners to PM recognise your independence of mind, and also that you have an extraordinary ability to see things from different angles, and report what you see in a manner which helps us, the listeners, to draw our own conclusions.You're also, in terms of the stories you tell and the way you tell them, BBC's reporter supremo. Ne plus ultra. Tue 29 Jul 2008 08:05:29 GMT+1 The Stainless Steel Cat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/hugh_in_china_2.shtml?page=64#comment16 It should read: "Free Dom' Clamps"Which is the tight, sore feelings you get in your muscles after partaking of the services of the gratis dominatrices.Thank yu vel' much. Tue 29 Jul 2008 07:54:09 GMT+1 Hugh http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/hugh_in_china_2.shtml?page=60#comment15 pm leader what exactly do you mean please?I am an independent-minded reporter observing, listening and drawing my own conclusions. There is no agenda - neither on the part of the BBC nor any of my own. The Chinese authorities assert that there is a kidnap danger to foreigners in Xinjiang. No evidence anywhere, however, of any attempt to provide security for foreigners to protect them from this threat.Why not? Well, that's the point -because they I suspect they don't actually believe there is a kidnap threat, and are probably using the Olympics as an excuse to crack down on Uighur separatists. How much of a threat is the Uighur separatist movement? Very hard to judge, but people I spoke to in Kashgar, and analysts elsewhere, suggest the percentage supporting violent activism is very small. Why hard to judge? Everyone I met was immediately noticeably nervous whenever I started exploring this topic with them.And several didn't even know what the foreign media have reported - that there was a crackdown on a dozen presumed Uighur militant cells in their own city this month, or that 5 Uighur separatists (alleged) had been killed in a raid by the Public Security Bureau in Urumchi this month. None of that in the Kashgar Morning News, it seems.I sense there IS resentment at increasing Han Chinese domination, but also a wise and patient realism - absolutely no point in rocking (and wrecking) a stable and increasingly prosperous boat unless there is a real chance of achieving the objective of a separate state. Which there isn't. Tue 29 Jul 2008 03:53:52 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/hugh_in_china_2.shtml?page=56#comment14 These photos would have accompanied his report on Broadcasting House last Sunday, I believe (though I'm prepared to be wrong).The business of that screen really got to me. An illustration of Chinese insensitivities to cultural difference. Mon 28 Jul 2008 22:24:48 GMT+1 U11204129 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/hugh_in_china_2.shtml?page=52#comment13 Huw, welcomed like a lost son, in the province that Channel 4 says is home to a terrorist threat to China's Olympics.One thinks of the BBC's role in getting rid of Mossadeq, of it's pro - Islamic stance when socialist states (eg Russia in Afghanistan) are threatened but anti - Islam when it comes to ... well, almost everything else.So is the Beeb at it again in Xinjiang?Of course not! Perish the (paranoid) thought. We leave that sort of thing to the US these days.Don't we? Mon 28 Jul 2008 19:56:45 GMT+1 Ed Iglehart http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/hugh_in_china_2.shtml?page=48#comment12 Hermit,Dunno about bacon, but, nae doot, there'll be plenty of "Pork" (American idiom) for East Glasgow as NuLab try to buy back the affections of the electorate, but I suspect it'll just add fat to the fire....Slainte!ed Mon 28 Jul 2008 18:33:59 GMT+1 HovelinHermit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/hugh_in_china_2.shtml?page=44#comment11 I expect Gordon Brown will be ordering a number of Freedom Clamps following the terrible result for him and his part in Glasgow recently! Perhaps they may well save his bacon! *wink* Mon 28 Jul 2008 17:56:04 GMT+1 needsanewnickname http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/hugh_in_china_2.shtml?page=40#comment10 Is it the opposite of a freedom clampdown? You have to pay to have your freedom safely clamped and in place? A wise investment. Mon 28 Jul 2008 16:48:49 GMT+1 Fearless Fred http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/hugh_in_china_2.shtml?page=36#comment9 I thought that they were the new name for French Clamps (after pressure from certain elements in the US!) Mon 28 Jul 2008 15:52:36 GMT+1 mittfh http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/hugh_in_china_2.shtml?page=32#comment8 Humph (8):That would help to explain the suspiciously large spacing.Note also that the hole caused by a cigarette butt is listed as two separate items - although there is only one entry in the local lingo... Mon 28 Jul 2008 15:33:54 GMT+1 Humph http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/hugh_in_china_2.shtml?page=28#comment7 I think that you will find that they have had a problem with their translator. It should actually read:"The free damps omcl"omcl being a local word for "remove". It is telling you the fine for nicking the free damp remover (or courtesy bath towels, as we would say in this country).H. Mon 28 Jul 2008 14:52:05 GMT+1 DI_Wyman http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/hugh_in_china_2.shtml?page=24#comment6 lordBeddGelert 1, wot, that short bloke with the funny hair cut is going to China? Mon 28 Jul 2008 14:18:52 GMT+1 DI_Wyman http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/hugh_in_china_2.shtml?page=20#comment5 ..and it is 3:17 in Hove! Mon 28 Jul 2008 14:16:58 GMT+1 thenicecatlady http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/hugh_in_china_2.shtml?page=16#comment4 What happens if the freedom clamp just drops of from what it's clamping? Mon 28 Jul 2008 12:54:27 GMT+1 U10783173 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/hugh_in_china_2.shtml?page=12#comment3 Freedom Clamp - not sure, but I think it is some sort of assembly for holding an object. You can actually send one as a virtual gift to your friends on Facebook for free. I'm pretty sure that I'm not making this up! Mon 28 Jul 2008 12:22:45 GMT+1 mittfh http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/hugh_in_china_2.shtml?page=8#comment2 Interesting - damaging the bamboo tray is most costly than dropping a cigarette butt on the carpet...But how much are you charged for damaging the freedom clamps?Then talking electronic billboards - urgh! At least we don't have them over here...yet! Mon 28 Jul 2008 12:20:52 GMT+1 UptheTrossachs http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/hugh_in_china_2.shtml?page=4#comment1 Dunno what they are - but I bet they have wings Mon 28 Jul 2008 12:15:04 GMT+1 lordBeddGelert http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/hugh_in_china_2.shtml?page=0#comment0 Perhaps they are anticipating a visit by a senior member of the FiA ? Mon 28 Jul 2008 12:14:22 GMT+1