Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml en-gb 30 Fri 11 Jul 2014 08:35:04 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml steelpulse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=97#comment34 Quote Number 23 "Thank you for the kind offer Steelpulse" Unquote! lol. I re-read my missive and just will confirm - I made no offer to join you in that particular fight! Fri 04 Jul 2008 17:42:30 GMT+1 Hugh_Z_Hackenbach http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=94#comment33 Nigel_N (33)I think you may be right.There is enough 'real' racism to be dealt with without 'politicos' using it for idle gain. The Big B and Wimpy D (and anyone else who believes in true equality) should have stood up and forced these accusations to be substantiated. Is it's getting so we are afraid of race? Thu 03 Jul 2008 14:41:20 GMT+1 Nigel_N http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=91#comment32 Hugh @ 25: As I read the article on the BBC, McGrath was told that some black migrants may leave the country if Boris was democratically elected. McGrath's response was that they could do so if they wished. I do not see what else he was supposed to say, as the alternative would have been for Boris to stand down because of the objections of a small group of the electorate.Shame on Boris for not supporting his advisor. Thu 03 Jul 2008 14:27:41 GMT+1 Hugh_Z_Hackenbach http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=88#comment31 rhowarth(29)...and be a bigger boy and stand up! Thu 03 Jul 2008 13:45:16 GMT+1 Hugh_Z_Hackenbach http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=85#comment30 rhowarth(29)Marriage? Thu 03 Jul 2008 13:44:22 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=82#comment29 rhowarth: I don't recall that scenario being mentioned in the discussion about rape, though 'performing under duresse' could be rather tricky (for the man, at least!) Thu 03 Jul 2008 13:21:48 GMT+1 rhowarth http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=80#comment28 If being coerced into having sex by one's partner when one doesn't really feel like it is called rape, what's it called when my wife bullies me into running an errand, paying for a holiday, or otherwise doing something that I don't want to...? :-) Thu 03 Jul 2008 13:15:10 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=77#comment27 How strange! Jeremy's post doesn't show up in recent posts. Thu 03 Jul 2008 11:08:22 GMT+1 U11204129 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=74#comment26 '(B)e your own critic. Comment on our hour by clicking on the comment link. Members of the production team will read the comments, and the editor should comment too.'Now, whereever did I get that quote from? Well, almost from under Eddie's nose (see above)This (albeit, self -appointed (albeit, by invitation)) critic asks:Is it good blog journalism for 'comments' to be promised and the practice then honoured more in the breach than in the observance?Personally I find the breach dishonorable (albeit, very mildly so) Thu 03 Jul 2008 10:47:00 GMT+1 JeremyJR http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=71#comment25 Thanks everyone for your comments. It's Jeremy, I was editing last night. Overall I was pleased with the programme. I thought Gary did a nice live package from Westminster, including some great clips from the debate and a good interview with the Labour MP Ronnie Campbell. I'm also glad we did the story about health tourism, ie going to another EU country for treatment - and I thought the Labour MEP we spoke to explained the story very well. Finally a great package from Quentin in China and it was nice to hear from our 82 year-old doctor who reminded us that the country's health problems we very different in 1948 when the NHS was set up. Keep listening and posting, Jeremy Thu 03 Jul 2008 10:01:16 GMT+1 Hugh_Z_Hackenbach http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=68#comment24 I've flicked through this weekend Sunday Times (the current Mrs. Hackenbachs preferred choice ... although I do enjoy the rugby coverage ... well, except for Stuart Barnes). I see that James McGrath (Boris Johnson’s senior political adviser) is now out of a job having been sacked by the Big BApparently, the "left-wing journalist and professional agitator Marc Wadsworth" quoted the unsubstantiated comments of Darcus Howe, who had said that “with Boris as mayor of London many black Londoners might decide to return to the Caribbean.”When asked "What do you have to say to that?" McGrath is reputed to have said, “Well, let them go if they don’t like it here.” The report continues, “Sunny Hundal, said that telling black people to clear off “has deep associations with BNP language and terminology”. Another said: “We have heard similar comments from racists.” It seems McGrath wasn’t accused of being racist but that he may have said something that may or may not have been said by a racist or something similar.This should obviously be of great concern to all of us.I would be particularly grateful if your researchers could confirm if there are any known reports (or indeed not, it’s all very confusing) of a raciest using the words “tea and no sugar, please”, a phrase I am known to have used repeatedly over a number of decades? It all sounds rather vague and silly. Low circulation week? Nothing much else to print?Anyway, this only comes to mind after being directed to a short video by Evan Davies on the workings of the Today team. I enjoyed the peak behind th escenes but I noticed during the report a blue “Great Britain: Love it or leave it” sticker on the ‘glass box’ wall. You may wish to get the soap and hot water on it. You can’t be too careful these days, can you? Some of those label adhesives are a devil to get off.Racism MUST be stamped out … but stupidity amongst the 'politicos' can stay here for ever! Wed 02 Jul 2008 21:16:49 GMT+1 U11204129 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=65#comment23 1. No follow up to your Turkey item of yesterday. The arrests, of ex Generals and Judges as well as a journalist, Eddie, were connected to Ergenekon, secularists thought to be planning bombings and assassinations to prompt a MILITARY take over.Real agent provocateur stuff.(There's more in today's Gruaniad and, no doubt, other worthy papers)Is Europe, the UK and the West as a whole going to defend majority government in Turkey or not?Closure (abolition) of the party and a FIVE year ban for its leaders is impositional - by the Judges and Generals.Now is when to be counted on this one, bloggers!2. You found someone to tell us markets (the FTSE) weren't coming to their senses, it was just a local difficulty.Congratulations. Pulitzer Prize level stuff.Thank you kindly, however, for implying that 100 points up and then 50 points down on the same day, with no 'news' coming in, suggests potty bursts of unreasonable optimism in what should be a sharply falling market.3. There is a connection between 1. on Turkey and 2. on the stupidity of markets.The governing party in Turkey, the one subject to 'Closure', is the party of the poor - of, inter alia, those poor souls who wait at tables, try to sell us kalim, Iznik tiles and water. They are the majority whom markets have failed.The exquisite peace and beauty of the mosques is their consolation. Wed 02 Jul 2008 18:12:46 GMT+1 U11235707 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=62#comment22 @ 22Thank you for the kind offer Steelpulse, but in these situations I prefer to fight my corner alone. Wed 02 Jul 2008 18:09:15 GMT+1 steelpulse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=60#comment21 My goodness. Jimmy Giro!I am listening to my Anglican religion implode on itself with talks of what sort of doctrines MUST be followed or certain parts will break away! lolThese traditionalists seem to have their religious doctrines set in aspic jelly - these same people who ignore changes in society and want to go back to a time - well I do not know when - but it seems women knew their place and it wasn't wearing bishops mitres or even the cloth - unless it was in a nunnery. Oh and unless the Archbishop of Canterbury follows them...... lolSchism - is that the word?God is supposedly love, hetrosexual love only and they are following the Bible's texts. Only some of it mind.My own version of "God" is a wee bit more flexible with his/her charity - which brings me back to Jimmy Giro. I disagree with your No. 19 disagreement Jimmy but I will defend your right to say it. But not too often eh? Wed 02 Jul 2008 17:58:44 GMT+1 Hugh_Z_Hackenbach http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=57#comment20 Well, A lot of people do. Dispite what they'd have us believe, it's still a free country ... if we don't give it all away. Wed 02 Jul 2008 17:45:06 GMT+1 U11235707 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=54#comment19 @ 18I disagree with you Hugh_Z_Hackenbach Wed 02 Jul 2008 17:40:38 GMT+1 U11235707 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=51#comment18 @ 17I disagree with you Big Sister. Wed 02 Jul 2008 17:35:23 GMT+1 Hugh_Z_Hackenbach http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=48#comment17 JimmyGiro(16)Yep, that waht they say. Still want to be in the 20th century?And branding some people they're no good, treating them as non-people, blame them for crime .. yep all wrong.So why are you so keen to group a woman who has been assulted as a feminist and by default, deserved it? You are railing against this type of reponse in your posting.Look, people are individuals. Whether you like what group they or put them in, they have a right to freedom in this country. All the things you shout against deserve it ... using similar tatics against other is not the response you need. Stand up for the individual who has they're rights taken away as you would wish for yourself. Wed 02 Jul 2008 17:35:04 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=45#comment16 Whatever is the root of your hatred, Jimmy, perhaps you could go and vent it somewhere else?The only person who appears to be filled with bile is you, so perhaps you'd like to find a misogynist website where you can vent it in the company of likeminded individuals? Wed 02 Jul 2008 17:26:48 GMT+1 U11235707 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=42#comment15 How to exterminate 6 million people:1. Ensure a nation of rational, orthodox, and obedient citizens... just like Adolf Eichman. Didn't hate anybody, just did his job, he had a life.2. Tell the people that certain types are not as good as you. Associate such undesirables with crime and general asocial indifference to the greater people.3. Make them unemployed and generally ostracise them from responsibility.4. Blame them for all crime.5. Wait for some misanthrope to give the order.Feminism is all about misanthropy, and in my mind not too different to a religious cult.There are too many people who agree with them, why don't they form their own political party, they'd probably win.Your mileage may very. Wed 02 Jul 2008 17:13:49 GMT+1 Hugh_Z_Hackenbach http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=40#comment14 Really, Your local library (that's a building that stores books that you're allowed to read) has a section call 'History'. In there you will find some books on 'World Wars'.Those books usually have some refernce to the number of people that we've killed ... in a rational manner, of course. Wed 02 Jul 2008 16:52:21 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=37#comment13 Not sure quite what Jimmy Giro's on about. If he's trying to draw a correlation between rape and women's attitudes towards men, he's doing it in a very hamfisted way.As somebody who's been assaulted several times by men (no details here), I still trust some men, but I don't trust all men. I am not happy that these things were perpetrated against me, but I don't use the acts of a few to damn the innocence of the majority.Get a life, Jimmy. Wed 02 Jul 2008 16:50:32 GMT+1 U11235707 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=34#comment12 I found the 20th century to be more rational.You're welcome to the 21st century, HZH. Wed 02 Jul 2008 16:47:32 GMT+1 Hugh_Z_Hackenbach http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=31#comment11 It’s an assault, plain and simple.…and there’s no such thing as an ‘honour killing’ either … its murder.And when you get here, welcome to the 21st century. Wed 02 Jul 2008 16:45:15 GMT+1 U11235707 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=28#comment10 @10, wake up and smell the oestrogen. Wed 02 Jul 2008 16:41:55 GMT+1 Hugh_Z_Hackenbach http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=25#comment9 JimmyGiro (9)This is nothing to do with feminism ... its a crime against the individual. Wed 02 Jul 2008 16:40:11 GMT+1 U11235707 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=22#comment8 Lies, damn lies, statistics, and statics of hear-say.Feminists need you to hate men, it's your moral duty to hate more men. After all, hating smokers and drink drivers seems to have worked. So if you don't hate more men, women will be raped more, and it will be your fault.Oh and let's bring men on-board here, we need men to hate men too... Wed 02 Jul 2008 16:35:59 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=20#comment7 ... and I guess we know what you'll be doing from now until 4.55p.m. How will you concentrate between 5 and 6?I can set the video for you ... Wed 02 Jul 2008 15:45:03 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=17#comment6 Ah ha, Eddie! I heard you say that just now ;o) Wed 02 Jul 2008 15:39:19 GMT+1 eddiemair http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=14#comment5 It's about to start... Wed 02 Jul 2008 15:23:21 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=11#comment4 He's not playing, I gather - "rain stopped play" Wed 02 Jul 2008 15:06:44 GMT+1 Hugh_Z_Hackenbach http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=8#comment3 Is he not doing well then? Wed 02 Jul 2008 15:05:42 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=5#comment2 Can I rephrase your posting, Hugh?"Eddie, what's Andy Murray playing at?":o) Wed 02 Jul 2008 14:59:18 GMT+1 Hugh_Z_Hackenbach http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=2#comment1 BigSisWhat's Andy Murrey playing Eddie at? Wed 02 Jul 2008 14:58:15 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/07/the_glass_box_for_wednesday_52.shtml?page=0#comment0 Is Andy Murray still playing, Eddie? Wed 02 Jul 2008 14:52:00 GMT+1