Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2011/02/michael_buchanan_on_the_border.shtml http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2011/02/michael_buchanan_on_the_border.shtml en-gb 30 Sat 20 Sep 2014 10:48:47 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2011/02/michael_buchanan_on_the_border.shtml U14806484 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2011/02/michael_buchanan_on_the_border.shtml?page=96#comment25 This post has been Removed Thu 10 Mar 2011 23:15:56 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2011/02/michael_buchanan_on_the_border.shtml?page=92#comment24 "Come in Number 23 - Your time is up":o) Wed 02 Mar 2011 12:55:19 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2011/02/michael_buchanan_on_the_border.shtml?page=88#comment23 Mm, there's a 'ghost' post, apparently ... Wed 02 Mar 2011 12:17:08 GMT+1 U14797257 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2011/02/michael_buchanan_on_the_border.shtml?page=84#comment22 This post has been Removed Wed 02 Mar 2011 12:07:28 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2011/02/michael_buchanan_on_the_border.shtml?page=80#comment21 21 - Welcome back, Mac. Tue 01 Mar 2011 23:54:04 GMT+1 U14797257 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2011/02/michael_buchanan_on_the_border.shtml?page=76#comment20 This post has been Removed Tue 01 Mar 2011 23:46:05 GMT+1 U14799391 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2011/02/michael_buchanan_on_the_border.shtml?page=73#comment19 This post has been Removed Tue 01 Mar 2011 13:25:48 GMT+1 Fearless Fred http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2011/02/michael_buchanan_on_the_border.shtml?page=69#comment18 8. Sid Your last paragraph is what I was trying to get at. There is such a fine line in any case like this that it is all too easy to go beyond it and cause more harm than good. If we were to offer military aid to those opposing the status quo in Libya, then we could well be seen to be imposing our own wishes on the country (both within Libya and the Middle East in general). This would play into the hands of groups like Al Qaeda who can then use this ro recruit more people to their cause. However, if we don't do enough to support the uprising, are we guilty of lacking the courage to stand up for our morals and our fellow man?I agree that the fact that the UN unanimously voted in favour of action lends a weight behind action that I would say has never been seen before. I just hope that cool heads can prevent this from enflaming an already volatile region... Tue 01 Mar 2011 10:03:12 GMT+1 U14799391 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2011/02/michael_buchanan_on_the_border.shtml?page=65#comment17 This post has been Removed Mon 28 Feb 2011 23:01:25 GMT+1 U14799391 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2011/02/michael_buchanan_on_the_border.shtml?page=61#comment16 The bit that failed the Filter was along the lines of (16 is what i went on to say):14 Every other blog connected to broadcasts on political economy gets many many new members at every new post. The times, don't you see.But here, I'm the only one, despite fearless Fred's kind invitation to discussion. And I had to validate mine by going to another BBC blog. Mon 28 Feb 2011 22:58:56 GMT+1 U14799391 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2011/02/michael_buchanan_on_the_border.shtml?page=57#comment15 I wonder how many innocent citizens the US and UK killed in Iraq, and now in Afghanistan in their War Against Terrorism.These civilians were not enemies within.And Palestinians killed by Israelis, in their own country?Looks to me like our aim is oil. And that we have made the rules. We've made military force the sole legitimate source of power and defined those not with us as against us. Those opposing the US-UK occuptions in Iraq and Afghanistan and those opposing the occupation of Palestine are seen as enemies by the aggressor powers and are killed if they take up arms in revolt.Our own kind, human, passionate, ordinary, clever and intelligent. We kill them. Within or without our frontiers.And our unelected Coalition government is selling helicopter gunships to powers whose governments have NEVER EVER had the support of their people and never will. Mon 28 Feb 2011 22:53:51 GMT+1 U14799391 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2011/02/michael_buchanan_on_the_border.shtml?page=53#comment14 This post has been Removed Mon 28 Feb 2011 22:50:27 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2011/02/michael_buchanan_on_the_border.shtml?page=50#comment13 Samuel D Martin: Nobody has difficult registering on the PM Blog, unless they have 'previous' here ;) Mon 28 Feb 2011 19:40:24 GMT+1 U14799391 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2011/02/michael_buchanan_on_the_border.shtml?page=46#comment12 This post has been Removed Mon 28 Feb 2011 19:24:56 GMT+1 koohestan001 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2011/02/michael_buchanan_on_the_border.shtml?page=42#comment11 Hi thereI was just listening to Prof Rosemary Hollis comments on Radio 4 about current middle east anti corruption movements. In my opinion that movement will reach Europe too, it already started with the shake up on MPs expences, it is calling for publications of all bankers and managing directores bounuses and pay packages, it will carry on for publication safe haven tax abolition and God knows how deep anti corruption should go for a satisfactory change to be noticed.As Proff Hollis points out we can not applaud Arab youths knowing that we will trade with the new regime and will push them to corruption again by our dealing because our own hand is not clean and corruption free. Because our own system is corrupt. Ofcourse the immigration has changed UK and is going to change more when there is no system in place to deter religious doctors imposing their views and our standard of living has fallen to Mumbay and Kalcata as a result of NO birth control pills. Mon 28 Feb 2011 18:39:47 GMT+1 koohestan001 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2011/02/michael_buchanan_on_the_border.shtml?page=38#comment10 Hi thereI was just listening to Prof Rosemary Hollis comments on Radio 4 about current middle east anti corruption movements. In my opinion that movement will reach Europe too, it already started with the shake up on MPs expences, it is calling for publications of all bankers and managing directores bounuses and pay packages, it will carry on for abolition of safe haven tax and offshore account etc etc.As Proff Hollis points out we can not applaud Arab youths knowing that we will trade with the new regime and our very dealing will take them down corruption routes looks at Kurds of Iraq simply because our own system is corrupt. Ofcourse the immigration has changed UK and is going to change more when there is no system in place to deter religious doctors imposing their views and our standard of living has fallen to Mumbay and Kalcata as a result of NO birth control pills. Mon 28 Feb 2011 18:37:37 GMT+1 comsat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2011/02/michael_buchanan_on_the_border.shtml?page=34#comment9 I find myself wondering as to whether if we had left Saddam Hussein alone, is it just possible that his regime would have imploded in the same way as Egypt, Tunisia and Libya have done/are doing ... How many UK and US (amongst others) troops and Iraqi civilians would be alive now if only we had had the patience and foresight to hold off .... Mon 28 Feb 2011 18:22:22 GMT+1 newlach http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2011/02/michael_buchanan_on_the_border.shtml?page=30#comment8 That major-general chap suggested something to the effect that if we had a carrier then a crack unit could make it to a Libyan beach and take all stranded Brits to safety, but the Brits can't make it to the beaches! Mon 28 Feb 2011 17:22:22 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2011/02/michael_buchanan_on_the_border.shtml?page=26#comment7 7. Fearless FredIt's an area fraught with difficulties, FF. But this time round, the unanimity of the world's response may give rise to different approaches to intervention. ('UN security council voted for measures aimed at punishing the regime and gave an unprecedented unanimous backing to refer it to the international criminal court.')China and Russia joining the rest of the world is a big deal, and will make no-fly zones etc a viable proposition. So often in the past the UN has been reduced to hand-wringing on the sidelines due to vetos from other countries with vested interests.I see that Germany has proposed cutting off all oil and other payments to Libya for 60 days to make sure that Gaddafi's regime does not get more money to hire mercenaries to repress anti-government critics; this seems to me to be a practical intervention which does not call for mobilisation of EU or UN troops.The fundamental question of course, is the extent to which it is legitimate for the rest of us to intervene (or interfere) in another countries affairs. If it's not for us to condemn coups d'etat, then how can we get involved when the self-appointed dictator starts throwing his weight around? Perhaps the answer is to get involved earler (in the case of Libya, not to have Tony Blair going and sucking up to Gaddafi). Mon 28 Feb 2011 17:09:18 GMT+1 Fearless Fred http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2011/02/michael_buchanan_on_the_border.shtml?page=23#comment6 Given that the whole situation in Libya seems to be heading slowly towards what could end up as a civil war, I'd be interested to hear peoples views on what (if anything) the rest of the world can and should be doing. Over the last 20 years since the collapse of the Soviet Union and the Easter Bloc, through the strife in the Balkans, the conflict in Darfur, and most recently the invasion and wars in Afghanistan and Iraq (x2), many approaches have been taken by the world in how to deal with changes in regime (be they enforced from outside as in the cases of Afghanistan and Iraq for example or demanded and fought for from inside, such as we've seem most recently in Egypt). How far can/should other countries and supranational unions such as the AU, EU, UN, etc go in enforcing a peace within Libya? How far do we have the right to impose ourselves in these situations? I'm not claiming that I have all the arguments or the answers by a long shot. I'm just interested to see what views others here have.... Mon 28 Feb 2011 13:46:14 GMT+1 Robert http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2011/02/michael_buchanan_on_the_border.shtml?page=19#comment5 What a soft interview with Major General whoever ! Not once did Eddie Mair press him on his ridiculous suggestions such as that we needed aircraft carriers to help with the evacuation - the yanks sent ferries ! Fri 25 Feb 2011 17:37:10 GMT+1 Carl Goss http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2011/02/michael_buchanan_on_the_border.shtml?page=15#comment4 @3 Yes and look, there's a van overtaking it. How many were on that charter flight back to Stansted.. three?!! Fri 25 Feb 2011 16:21:28 GMT+1 Carl Goss http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2011/02/michael_buchanan_on_the_border.shtml?page=11#comment3 The World is so sad. I was talking to an ex USAF pilot from Lakenheath who flew Phantoms over Hanoi, and later was in the operations team for the bombing of Gaddafi. How things could have been so different so much sooner. Thanks for the reports Michael.. make sure you don't let that Simpson chap take all the glory. Fri 25 Feb 2011 16:07:39 GMT+1 Thunderbird http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2011/02/michael_buchanan_on_the_border.shtml?page=7#comment2 Is the top picture the foreign office's rapid response vehicleIs that Mr Hague at the wheel? Fri 25 Feb 2011 16:00:50 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2011/02/michael_buchanan_on_the_border.shtml?page=3#comment1 It's hard not to be thinking of this situation with every thought, every minute of the day. How can a man who claims to be a patriot (if not exactly by that choice of word) be the instrument of such destruction and misery within his country? My thoughts are with those millions of innocent Libyans whose lives are being ruined in this way. May the day soon come when the situation is resolved to their advantage and, I hope, the doors open to a life with greater opportunity and optimism for them. Fri 25 Feb 2011 16:00:02 GMT+1 DiY http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2011/02/michael_buchanan_on_the_border.shtml?page=0#comment0 Thanks Michael, very good, but you be careful out there! Fri 25 Feb 2011 15:40:30 GMT+1