Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/fuel_heating_oil_and_the_credi.shtml http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/fuel_heating_oil_and_the_credi.shtml en-gb 30 Thu 29 Jan 2015 05:26:43 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/fuel_heating_oil_and_the_credi.shtml Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/fuel_heating_oil_and_the_credi.shtml?page=96#comment25 Thanks, Lady Sue, for that.Yes, I spotted the comments about community ordering. It's something that I've often thought about, but we don't have a scheme locally (that I'm aware of), which doesn't mean to say we shouldn't have one.Am I the person to organise it? Probably not. But it is something that I could put to the Parish Council, and I'll happily assist.We do want to install a woodburner, preferably with a back boiler, but have to wait til we have the spare cash. We've enough financial worries on our plate at the moment, I'm afraid. I think, in the interim, we'll just have to get the chimney swept in good time for next winter and have open fires. Thu 29 May 2008 16:24:03 GMT+1 Lady_Sue http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/fuel_heating_oil_and_the_credi.shtml?page=92#comment24 Big Sis - yes I noted your absence of wood burner. Did you see my comment about getting a tanker between a group of locals? Much cheaper. Everyone who visits here says they like wood chopping and volunteer to do it before they come. It usually takes around three days before they "break" and say, "What, we need to bring in/chop MORE wood today?" I don't mind it but as a necessity, it makes living here akin to living in a cabin in the wilderness - which it is. And yes, I do spend hours at it and have masses of it stacked up, just like in the movies... which reminds me, I need to go stoke up the rayburn. Thu 29 May 2008 13:28:58 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/fuel_heating_oil_and_the_credi.shtml?page=88#comment23 Yes, Lady Sue, wood is the best alternative for us, too, but (as noted earlier) we don't have a woodstove or Rayburn installed, so will need to manage the upfront costs of those before we can change fuels.I like wood chopping. Thu 29 May 2008 12:36:32 GMT+1 Thunderbird http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/fuel_heating_oil_and_the_credi.shtml?page=84#comment22 I am so glad to have the chance to spread a bit of joy. Thu 29 May 2008 11:23:19 GMT+1 Lady_Sue http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/fuel_heating_oil_and_the_credi.shtml?page=80#comment21 In rural Ireland I have no gas (except for Calor gas) and we don't have central heating - so no oil bills. I'm out splitting sticks for a rayburn and open fires practically every day. It's hard work but it warms you up twice: once when you split them and once on the fire. The rooms are so big that it is impossible to heat them properly - the kitchen is the only warm room in the house. I suppose you have to consider oil and central heating as more of a luxury these days. Thu 29 May 2008 10:55:13 GMT+1 graniteFrozen http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/fuel_heating_oil_and_the_credi.shtml?page=76#comment20 I too live in a rural area in a house built in 1850. It does have a loft, fully insulated but I cannot get any grants for insulating my solid walls or for changing from Calor Gas, very expensive, even more than oil, to mains gas, even though that is now avaiable, at a cost of around £3,000. I will certainly be in 'fuel poverty' this winter. Thu 29 May 2008 10:05:58 GMT+1 miraculousginger http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/fuel_heating_oil_and_the_credi.shtml?page=73#comment19 "The answer to the question is that if it was a house then it would be a different story"very good, even i didn't see that !! : ) Thu 29 May 2008 08:15:33 GMT+1 RJMolesworth http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/fuel_heating_oil_and_the_credi.shtml?page=69#comment18 With 2000 litres of fuel Big Sis you could sail away for a year and a day to the land where the Bong tree grows. A friend of mine who has a listed building puts up removable secondary glazing for the winter months. It doesn't look to good but he says it saves him money.Matthew Paris installed a heat pump that has an estimated life of 20 years and an 18 year pay back. How green is that? But it could be worth considering if you have a field to run the pipes under. Thu 29 May 2008 07:49:48 GMT+1 Lady_Sue http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/fuel_heating_oil_and_the_credi.shtml?page=65#comment17 Big Sis: a friend in Surrey has adopted something she heard on Radio 4's You and Yours. Her Resident's Society are all pooling together to buy a whole tanker load of oil to share between them. Part of the high cost of delivery of oil is because people request that just their own tanks are filled. If you do this, you should be able to negotiate a lower price with your supplier. It wont help with your consumption but might help with the cost. I'm a day late checking the blog but I do hope you get this message! Thu 29 May 2008 07:41:48 GMT+1 needsanewnickname http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/fuel_heating_oil_and_the_credi.shtml?page=61#comment16 Bib? Sorry, BIG Sis... Thu 29 May 2008 00:13:38 GMT+1 needsanewnickname http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/fuel_heating_oil_and_the_credi.shtml?page=57#comment15 Bib Sis - thatch, eh? That sounds like pretty good insulation... Thu 29 May 2008 00:13:19 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/fuel_heating_oil_and_the_credi.shtml?page=53#comment14 PS to my last posting - in fact 2000 litres isn't a great deal for an oil system. Friends of mine who, like me, are stuck with oil use a great deal more. Wed 28 May 2008 22:29:11 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/fuel_heating_oil_and_the_credi.shtml?page=50#comment13 Jonnie, in answer to your questions:Do you have a condensing boiler? - No. These have only just become available for oil.Is the loft lagged to the current standards 250 - 270 mm thickness. - There is no loft.Are they cavity walls - and if so have they been insulated. - I'm afraid they didn't do cavity walls in the 15th century :o)Secondary or ideally double glazing? - Not allowed to. Listed building.Professional draught exclusion,? - Not realistic where all the doors and doorways are out of true.You see - and this is a serious point - in a country which is committed to preserving its history, modern techniques don't marry well with ancient buildings, and even if they did, the authorities don't allow you to apply them.Still, the thatch is cosy. Wed 28 May 2008 22:27:57 GMT+1 jonnie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/fuel_heating_oil_and_the_credi.shtml?page=46#comment12 Re' BigSis. 2000 litres does sound a lot!Do you have a condensing boiler? Is the loft lagged to the current standards 250 - 270 mm thickness. Are they cavity walls - and if so have they been insulated.Secondary or ideally double glazing?Professional draught exclusion,?Adopting all or some of these measures would certainly reduce the consumption, - There may be grants still available. Wed 28 May 2008 21:19:53 GMT+1 needsanewnickname http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/fuel_heating_oil_and_the_credi.shtml?page=42#comment11 For me, heating costs are worrying, but transport fuel not so much - except that when transport costs rise, so do the prices of everything that gets transported, including food. I haven't got the room to grow my own, except some parsley and rosemary and other herbs.So 'fuel' is a rather loose term for me.Interestingly. looking at where I live, food is the greatest worry; in the 'poor' areas to the north of us, it's rent, and in the 'rich' part to the south it's fuel. My area is what would probably be described as 'mixed'. Wed 28 May 2008 19:24:31 GMT+1 Thunderbird http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/fuel_heating_oil_and_the_credi.shtml?page=38#comment10 Post 2.Wednesday 28 May 2008 14:58miraculousgingerwe live in a small bungalow at the moment, and our last 2 month gas bill was for ?260.i dread to think what it would have been if we were in a house.I cannet believe no one picked up this joke opportunityThe answer to the question is that if it was a house then it would be a different story Wed 28 May 2008 16:28:24 GMT+1 Thunderbird http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/fuel_heating_oil_and_the_credi.shtml?page=34#comment9 I just love to see the government squirm over petrol prices. It is impossible them or anyone to explain how such a high tax take can be fair and even the “global-warming” mob are unusually quiet. (Just a bonus)So Mr Brown / Mr Darling think on we (drivers) cannot continue to fund all parts of government forever and ever Wed 28 May 2008 16:11:59 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/fuel_heating_oil_and_the_credi.shtml?page=30#comment8 MGL: I've already tried that :o) Wed 28 May 2008 15:52:59 GMT+1 Thunderbird http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/fuel_heating_oil_and_the_credi.shtml?page=26#comment7 Well my good Doctor,It is not the price of petrol that makes people so cross, it is the level of tax. Wed 28 May 2008 15:39:21 GMT+1 mindclearly http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/fuel_heating_oil_and_the_credi.shtml?page=23#comment6 Just been looking at the HM customs and excise allowances for using private vehcles and it has been 40p per mile since 2002/03 which bback then was okay, but now we have the astronomical cost of fuel shouldn't the government be increasing this allowance to 80p per mile?? Wed 28 May 2008 15:23:28 GMT+1 Dr_Hackenbush http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/fuel_heating_oil_and_the_credi.shtml?page=19#comment5 I've been hearing all the many stories about "all prices" going up, so why are people specifically worrying about the cost of fuel? Wed 28 May 2008 15:17:21 GMT+1 mygloriousleader http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/fuel_heating_oil_and_the_credi.shtml?page=15#comment4 Big Sis (1) ...or you could move to Spain..:o) Wed 28 May 2008 15:13:59 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/fuel_heating_oil_and_the_credi.shtml?page=11#comment3 Anne: We plan to do so, when we can afford it. The cost of a woodburner, with lining the chimney, will be in the region of £5K, though. We've also thought about solar, but live in a conservation area, so that isn't straightforward - and again there's the upfront costs of installation.These will be considerations for all oil users, so it isn't straightforward to 'switch' when you live in a rural area with few existing alternatives. Wed 28 May 2008 15:11:58 GMT+1 Anne P. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/fuel_heating_oil_and_the_credi.shtml?page=7#comment2 Big Sister, have you thought about a wood fired stove? They are wonderfully efficient and even if you don't use them for all your heating or water (you can get back boilers) they are terrific for local heat and you can boil a kettle on top. The only downsides I know of are the need to line your chimney first if it's old, and the space needed to store the wood (which must be well dried preferably for at least six months). Wed 28 May 2008 15:05:41 GMT+1 miraculousginger http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/fuel_heating_oil_and_the_credi.shtml?page=3#comment1 we live in a small bungalow at the moment, and our last 2 month gas bill was for £260.i dread to think what it would have been if we were in a house. Wed 28 May 2008 14:58:37 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/fuel_heating_oil_and_the_credi.shtml?page=0#comment0 Living in rural Sussex, where gas is not an option, I'm dreading making the next oil order and am not sure we will be able to afford it. Since the suppliers usually won't deliver less than 500 litres, and with prices hovering around 60p, it's a big outlay for any householder. Our annual oil consumption is in the region of 2000 litres, though we do all we can to keep it down, e.g. by not using the heating, but there is only so much you can do to cut your consumption and remain hygienic, isn't there? Wed 28 May 2008 14:52:11 GMT+1