Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/as_i_said_in_the_newsletter.shtml http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/as_i_said_in_the_newsletter.shtml en-gb 30 Sat 20 Dec 2014 04:40:07 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/as_i_said_in_the_newsletter.shtml Chris Ghoti http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/as_i_said_in_the_newsletter.shtml?page=90#comment10 neilontheroad @ 10, basic misunderstanding here.What I said in post #9 regarding a police state was that *unless* we want to live in a police state we will put up with football fans having the same right as anyone else has to go to any city they feel like. Unless we had a police state we couldn't stop them.No suggestion that we do have a police state, no suggestion that we should.On the other hand I would add to your 'don't make trouble and you won't get nicked' a few other suggestions: don't wear a leather jacket, don't be under about 25 years old, don't be female in the street after dark, don't drive a good car if you are the 'wrong' race, don't walk on a cyclepath or wheel a bicycle in a park in Newham, don't read a list of names aloud in Central London. All these are offences for which people have been nicked during my lifetime, and the old line about 'if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear' is a fallacy. Innocent people get taken to court; in the news recently we have heard about two at least who were sent to prison for killing people, and have been let out again because the legal system has decided years later that they didn't do it after all.'The only people who get into bother with the police are people who break the law or cause trouble.' is a pleasing idea, but it is a fallacy. Having a baby that dies of natural causes, for instance, isn't causing trouble... but it still got the mother accused, convicted, locked up for years, and recently released because the evidence against her was found to be wrong. Not the fault of the police, particularly, but they too can make mistakes. Thu 15 May 2008 22:35:44 GMT+1 neilontheroad http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/as_i_said_in_the_newsletter.shtml?page=81#comment9 I cannot beleive people are actually trying to blame the police for last nights trouble in Manchester.The trouble was caused by drunken football supporters kicking off and acting like animals. I was disgusted whilst watching the video and hope that the scum responsible are locked up, mind you saying that, they only assaulted a police officer. £20 fine and a slap on the wrists is the most likely sentence handed down by the courts, thats if the CPS feel they have enough evidence to prosecute.As for the comments regarding living in a police state, I would love to know where this opinion comes from?I have lived in the UK all my life and have never been arrested or hassled by the police, why? because I am a law abiding citizen and mind my own business. The only people who get into bother with the police are people who break the law or cause trouble.Don't get into bother and the police will leave you alone, cause trouble you will get knicked, not a police state just common sense. Thu 15 May 2008 19:40:36 GMT+1 Chris Ghoti http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/as_i_said_in_the_newsletter.shtml?page=72#comment8 oldergit @ 6, how is anyone to stop fans of a football team from travelling to another city? Take away their internal passports, or something?I don't feel particularly enthusiastic about the supporters of a football team who know that they can't possibly get into a match to see their heroes play, but go along to the city where the match is being held in order to watch a big screen that could be set up anywhere in the entire world for them, but I feel that unless we want to accept living in a police state in which people in power have the arbitrary right to stop the serfs from leaving their own manor we have to put up with them going outside their parish without asking permission. Thu 15 May 2008 17:44:52 GMT+1 pilgrim05 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/as_i_said_in_the_newsletter.shtml?page=63#comment7 At the end of today's program, Eddie said that the police had said that it was easier not to enforce the law on drinking. I heard the interview with the representative from Manchester Police, and she didn't say that, despite Eddie's attempts to make her say it. She said that with 100,000 fans on the streets it was impossible to enforce the law, even if whe'd had all 8,000 coppers on duty. All today, the media have tried to blame the police for the trouble last night. I'm not going to support the police if they're in the wrong, but I think the attitude of the media stinks. I enjoy PM very much, but this particular final headline was comletely unfair. Thu 15 May 2008 17:16:47 GMT+1 Peter Bolt http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/as_i_said_in_the_newsletter.shtml?page=54#comment6 I can remember in the 60`s & 70`s the shops along Tottenham High Road being almost deserted on a Saturday afternoon for fear of football "fans" when Manchester United were playng at White Hart Lane.There is , however, no simple explanation or answer except perhaps as your current campaign shows "alcohol" Thu 15 May 2008 17:06:18 GMT+1 Oldergit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/as_i_said_in_the_newsletter.shtml?page=45#comment5 Sounds like the Police lost control of the situation really. However faced with the number of fans its hardly surprising. Why were so many allowed to go - surely they could have watched big screens in Glasgow!Richard Thu 15 May 2008 16:29:57 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/as_i_said_in_the_newsletter.shtml?page=36#comment4 After writing 4, I heard on the box that there were indeed delays to the trains from Manchester due to 'fans on the line'. Remember, you heard it hear first. Thu 15 May 2008 16:24:32 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/as_i_said_in_the_newsletter.shtml?page=27#comment3 'Fans on the line' - Oh Cat, don't let Network Rail read this! Thu 15 May 2008 15:24:39 GMT+1 The Stainless Steel Cat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/as_i_said_in_the_newsletter.shtml?page=18#comment2 ...I read elsewhere that the trams through Manchester city centre had to be cancelled mid-afternoon due to "fans" blocking the tramlines.Was all this disruption worth it to the Manchester top-bods? Thu 15 May 2008 15:06:44 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/as_i_said_in_the_newsletter.shtml?page=9#comment1 Clearly, Cat, the Mancunian police aren't used to this treatment. They make 'em harder over the Border ;o)Where could we send the fans, I wonder? Burma? Zimbabwe? Thu 15 May 2008 12:44:11 GMT+1 The Stainless Steel Cat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2008/05/as_i_said_in_the_newsletter.shtml?page=0#comment0 Well that certainly shows up those "fans" who are complaining that the police were heavy handed. I'd be heavy handed too if someone threw what looks like a brick at me at point-blank range.Sadly, none of this surprises me. They're nothing more than thugs and I'm ashamed they have anything to do with Glasgow. If I had my way, we wouldn't let them back into the city. Thu 15 May 2008 12:08:42 GMT+1