Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml en-gb 30 Sat 23 Aug 2014 16:20:28 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=97#comment43 Yes, you heard me right, GN. I suspect action would be ongoing as I cannot see the Government giving in easily. Mon 13 Sep 2010 12:32:56 GMT+1 Grande Noix http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=95#comment42 Year? Mon 13 Sep 2010 12:26:38 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=93#comment41 Sequin asks us for alternative for Winter of Discontent - I suspect, Carolyn, that it's more likely to be the Brokeback Year. Mon 13 Sep 2010 12:20:15 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=90#comment40 Oh for a magic phone ..... ;o) Mon 13 Sep 2010 12:13:32 GMT+1 Grande Noix http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=88#comment39 39. The Intermittent Horse"the EU and the unelected commissioners had all their pwers bestowed by the constituent countries."And, as with the excellently devised US Constitution, there seems an almost irrestible trend for centralised units of government to continuously accrue increased powers, often with only the slightest nod to gaining the consent of the governed.I have noted before and elsewhere that there doesn't seem to be much precedent in Nature for centralisation of control. It seems a particularly Hominid perversion. Mon 13 Sep 2010 12:13:11 GMT+1 The Intermittent Horse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=86#comment38 GN (37) - I agree to an extent, but the fact is that the EU and the unelected commissioners had all their pwers bestowed by the constituent countries. Mon 13 Sep 2010 12:06:22 GMT+1 The Intermittent Horse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=84#comment37 Big Sister - I know. Although it works fine on my phone! Mon 13 Sep 2010 12:03:35 GMT+1 Grande Noix http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=81#comment36 33. Big Sister"I thought you might like this"Indeed. Thanks, Sis.;-) Mon 13 Sep 2010 12:03:18 GMT+1 Grande Noix http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=79#comment35 30. The Intermittent Horse"It merely has the powers that member countries grant it."Is this not achieved in many instances via unelected commissioners or the like. I'm a fan in general, but the apparent democratic deficit is troubling. I'm also very much a "Localist" - does this amount to 'cognitive dissonance'? Mon 13 Sep 2010 12:00:07 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=77#comment34 Horse, if you're around - several of us are having off piste difficulties today. Mon 13 Sep 2010 11:59:50 GMT+1 The Intermittent Horse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=75#comment33 31/Yes. All agreed to by member countries. Mon 13 Sep 2010 11:56:09 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=72#comment32 Incidentally, GN, I thought you might like thishttp://www.greatoakglass.co.uk/gallery/oak-and-silver-birch/?from=3 Mon 13 Sep 2010 11:55:58 GMT+1 Grande Noix http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=70#comment31 Some breadth;-) Mon 13 Sep 2010 11:52:53 GMT+1 IMOORE http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=68#comment30 28/Post Lisbon they have self amending powers without having to resort to new treaties. Mon 13 Sep 2010 11:52:03 GMT+1 The Intermittent Horse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=65#comment29 GN (24) - On the contrary, there is a massive difference. IMOORE promotes the notion that the EU empowers itself. It does no such thing. It merely has the powers that member countries grant it. Mon 13 Sep 2010 11:48:55 GMT+1 Grande Noix http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=63#comment28 26. Big Sister"it's good to see that you've broadened your interests ;oD"If they were much broader, they wouldn't fit in my already-too-large head!;-) Mon 13 Sep 2010 11:39:59 GMT+1 Grande Noix http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=61#comment27 27. The Intermittent Horse"The EU doesn't take powers, it has them granted by member countries."A distiction without much difference, perhaps? Mon 13 Sep 2010 11:38:29 GMT+1 The Intermittent Horse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=59#comment26 23/"... when it has taken powers to its self..."Nope! The EU doesn't take powers, it has them granted by member countries. Mon 13 Sep 2010 11:34:50 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=56#comment25 24: There was a time when you, too, seemed like a one issue blogger, but it's good to see that you've broadened your interests ;oD Mon 13 Sep 2010 11:33:07 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=54#comment24 IMOORE: You come across as a person with a series of agendas. Five of these have related to the EU. I think, therefore, that my observation is understandable.As you may have noted from my own posts, I am interested in a broader range of issues. This does include the EU, but I really don't want to add to what seems to me like constantly hammering on about it on this Blog. Mon 13 Sep 2010 11:31:36 GMT+1 Grande Noix http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=52#comment23 21. IMOORE"we are borrowing just to pay the day to day bills,"including the interest payments on accumulated borrowings.... Mon 13 Sep 2010 11:30:19 GMT+1 IMOORE http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=50#comment22 20/ I have raised the issue of us bank rolling EU students at our universities whilst turning away our own students. The EU arrest warrant, the EU investigation orders, the rising cost of the EU to us while we cut here, and the democratic deficit of the EU. Any of these you care to argue against? You may not like that EU becomes a frequent theme, but when it has taken powers to its self that affects every aspects of our lives it becomes difficult to not raise the issue of the EU. Mon 13 Sep 2010 11:24:25 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=47#comment21 21: The lack of an apology is noted. Mon 13 Sep 2010 11:19:12 GMT+1 IMOORE http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=45#comment20 9/Of course that was another Golden rule that was found to be made of fools gold. The one where Brown said he would only borrow to invest. But as we now have to borrow a quarter of what the Government spends we are borrowing just to pay the day to day bills, dumping that cost on our childrens heads, along witht he infrastructure costs put on the tick with PFI, the cost of their education with tuition fees, the cost of their pensions and ours. Mon 13 Sep 2010 11:17:36 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=43#comment19 IMOORE (19), I wasn't referring to any particular story regarding the EU, nor would I need to, since you seem to raise EU issues every day.Your last paragraph is insulting and entirely untrue. It says more about you than it does about me. Mon 13 Sep 2010 11:11:34 GMT+1 IMOORE http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=40#comment18 8/I am not the only one, Fair Trials abroad also have concerns about the EU Ivestigation Order...http://www.fairtrials.net/news/article/uk_opts_into_controversial_european_investigation_order_law/And perhaps you might have a less complacent attitude to the rights of your fellow citizens if you were left rotting in a foreign prison, having been extradited on the EU arrest warrant. Mon 13 Sep 2010 11:08:55 GMT+1 GiulioNapolitani http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=38#comment17 14. At 11:47am on 13 Sep 2010, Big Sister wrote:It seems, Giulio, that he has had other matters on his mind.I hadn't seen that. Oh dear. Mon 13 Sep 2010 11:08:16 GMT+1 darkdesign http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=36#comment16 Oh. So, the PM demographic appears to be Private Eye readers. Yes, me too.In fact, you could say (contd P.94) Mon 13 Sep 2010 11:07:38 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=34#comment15 15: Nor should we necessarily believe what the ConDem government have to say on the matter - they have an agenda of their own. Private Eye is neither left nor right wing, imho. But I'm prepared to accept that there may have been waste in the programme, as I'm sure there will be waste in subsequent schools programmes (how much, for instance, has been spent on Mr. Gove's pet initiatives, the take up for which has been lamentaly low?). However, throwing the baby out with the bath water was hardly the answer - though I sense this Government is determined to diss anything relating to its predecessors. Mon 13 Sep 2010 10:55:54 GMT+1 bright-eyedwendym http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=31#comment14 This post has been Removed Mon 13 Sep 2010 10:50:05 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=29#comment13 It seems, Giulio, that he has had other matters on his mind.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/liberaldemocrats/7946193/Funeral-absence-hinted-at-Charles-Kennedy-marriage-split.htmlI'm very sad for them. Mon 13 Sep 2010 10:47:19 GMT+1 Grande Noix http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=27#comment12 ISRAELIS, PALESTINIANSAGREE THEY'LL NEVER AGREE ON ANYTHINGFirst time they've ever agreed on anything.;-( Mon 13 Sep 2010 10:46:35 GMT+1 GiulioNapolitani http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=25#comment11 Too late for today, no doubt, but on the subject of protests against tory cuts, whatever became of Charles Kennedy? No new website articles, no Facebook or Twitter updates since before the election. He seems to have become more reclusive than even Gordon Brown. Mon 13 Sep 2010 10:42:52 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=22#comment10 10. Big SisterAgreed, I also don't want to be accused of soapboxing. :-) Mon 13 Sep 2010 10:38:59 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=20#comment9 Unfortunately, Looternite, (as I'm sure you know) the previous government had to make up for decades of underinvestment. I won't say more or it will sound as if I've jumped onto a soapbox of my own! ;o) Mon 13 Sep 2010 10:35:39 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=18#comment8 7. IMOOREHave you heard of the concept of "Mortgages"? I took out a mortgage to enable me to buy a property which was worth many times my annual salary.Then, how's this for irresponsibility I borrowed more money for Double Glazing.A few years later we borrowed more money to pay for block paving. The result is that my kids grew up in a decent home and when I peg out they will get a cash bonanza (possibly).I know the current ConDem leaders do not need to borrow money as they have access to personal fortunes. In fact they only took out mortgages so that they could get the tax payer to pay for them via their expenses.Our children and our childrens children will be grateful that they have had decent schools, hospitals and infrastructure, in my opinion. Mon 13 Sep 2010 10:33:15 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=15#comment7 7 - "PM should give recognition" - ? Are you suggesting they create a prize of some kind? I don't quite see how this can be presented as an idea for the programme - Sounds more like somebody jumping on a soapbox.Mind you, it makes a change from the constant moaning about the EU ...;o) Mon 13 Sep 2010 10:20:30 GMT+1 IMOORE http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=13#comment6 PM should give recognition to a new school of economic thinking the Mañana (manayana)economic school, which promotes the idea of why deal with economic problems today when you can leave them for tomorrow or your children to sort out. This is an economic school headed by Labour, notably Ed Balls and the TUC.Ed Balls boasts that he was an economic advisor to Gordon Brown, a Chancellor who when the confines of the previous Conservative Government's economic policy ran out never managed to balance his budget and spending, running a deficit in a boom, which shows Ed Balls has a strong claim to be one of the founders of the Mañana Economic movement.. There is of course one problem with this economic thinking, for Ed Balls as part of Gordon Brown's economic team also pushed the idea that a Government should balance the books over the economic cycle, a Golden rule we hear little about these days, a Golden rule that would be in conflict with the Mañana school. For Ed Balls must know that there is a time limit to an economic cycle, and as a rule of thumb that is roughly 7 years. So if he is proposing cutting the deficit by a half over five years, I doubt very much he can cut the remaining 50% of the deficit in the remaining two years. So the Mañana school of economic thought is proposing we go into the next downturn still carrying a deficit from the previous recession. Mon 13 Sep 2010 09:53:59 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=11#comment5 3. Big SisterThanks for raising this question. Further if PM question any of the ConDem ministers can they please ask them to give us a vision of their policies 5 years and 10 years hence. What are our schools going to be like after the full force of these reforms have taken place.So called "Good" ideas from Tory governments usually have consequencies that are very damaging or costly to reverse. Mon 13 Sep 2010 09:06:46 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=9#comment4 My 3 - Sorry, I failed to post the link to the story for others to read.http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2010/sep/12/school-building-programme-scrapped Mon 13 Sep 2010 08:49:46 GMT+1 darkdesign http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=6#comment3 Seen on Twitter this weekend:"Visited new neighbour. Desperately sad to see a disabled person living on just £65 p/week without access to appropriate benefits/support"Link: http://twitter.com/BendyGirl/status/24306957803 Mon 13 Sep 2010 08:48:26 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=4#comment2 According to today's Guardian, the Government has now admitted that axing the school rebuilding programme will hit hardest children from the poorest homes. The cancellation of this plan has hit some 675 schools which, according to the article, "have higher proportions of children on free school meals, who speak English as a second language and have special educational needs, than the national average". Meanwhile, Michael Gove has spent several months working on plans for free schools - a mere 16, as it has emerged.Could tonight's programme follow up on this story? - Thank you. Mon 13 Sep 2010 08:38:54 GMT+1 IMOORE http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=2#comment1 David Cameron wrote in the Guardian.....'We will be the first government in a generation to leave office with much less power in Whitehall than we started with. ''we're changing what happens in government. For too long those in power made decisions behind closed doors''The age of centralisation stops here.'http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/sep/11/david-cameron-government-power-peopleYet at the same time his Chancellor George Osborne was giving the EU the right to supervise our budget, and his Government has signed up to the EU Foreign Office and the EU Investigation order. In this I suppose he is correct in his forst statement, that he will leave office with less power than when he started, but then that has been the case with all British Governments since Heath for they have all signed away our sovereignty to Brussles.In 1971 the Foreign Office produced a paper 'SOVEREIGNTY AND THE EUROPEAN COMMUNITIES'Which apart from showing the breath of the deception they were intending to embark on, shows up Cameron's and the rest of the British political establishments cant on this, for while they make a song and dance about us being able to decide on the number of papaer clips a councillor can use, this is just cover for signing away the means to make meaningful changes.....' the transfer of major executive responsibilities to the bureaucratic Commission in Brussels will exacerbate popular feeling of alienation from government. To counter this feeling, strengthened local and regional democratic processes within the member states and effective Community regional economic and social policies will be essential.'http://www.sovereignty.org.uk/features/eucon/fcosov.html Mon 13 Sep 2010 07:50:32 GMT+1 Anne P http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_8.shtml?page=0#comment0 Another lovely photograph! Mon 13 Sep 2010 07:39:20 GMT+1