Comments for en-gb 30 Fri 04 Sep 2015 02:57:32 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at BernieOKeeffe Where was the atheist voice in the item about the existence of God? Why are religionists repeatedly allowed to put forward their points of view without challenge? Fri 03 Sep 2010 07:55:02 GMT+1 davmcn Hey Eddie, can we have an 'expert' on PM tomorrow to discuss the existence of Santa and the Tooth Fairy? Thu 02 Sep 2010 16:46:57 GMT+1 Walrus So if it's a question of poor judgement, staying in a twin bedded room with a young special adviser, how can one trust Hague's judgement on Foreign Affairs? Of course, he can share his office with all those Civil Service advisers to put him right. Thu 02 Sep 2010 16:27:31 GMT+1 davmcn Oh Lordie, now Virginia Ironside! Enough is enough. Thu 02 Sep 2010 16:26:06 GMT+1 davmcn Oh goodie (yes, Sue, goodie again), let's get as much out of the Hague story as possible...and cricket. Maybe 'the book'. Thu 02 Sep 2010 16:20:33 GMT+1 davmcn Maybe like with Mark Oaten, when Hague lost his hair... Thu 02 Sep 2010 15:49:19 GMT+1 Big Sister Yes, it is a great shame. I have a great deal of time for Mr. Hague, which made this event all the more surprising. Thu 02 Sep 2010 13:48:44 GMT+1 Lady_Sue Big Sis, I can see your point. I rather like the idea, as in Mr. Noix's comment "that someone noted his qualities (e.g. circumspect, insightful, astute, legal and historical knowledge, etc.)". It allows for people to be rewarded for their ability and not limited within the scope of whatever their discipline at university. I have no idea what his degree was (or even if he has one) but if he is clever and talented, perhaps he deserved his post? It is a great shame for the poor chap that there has been this media circus. Like Anne, I'm wondering what is behind it. Thu 02 Sep 2010 13:00:28 GMT+1 Big Sister Anne, the point isn't even the class of degree - rather the relevance of it to the post in question. Prior to his elevation, this young man worked as a driver for Mr. Hague, while studying for law. Good for him. But he was being employed, at the taxpayers' expense, as an advisor to the Foreign Secretary. I would expect at the very least to see such an advisor holding a degree in International Relations, or some other related degree.Mr. Hague has opened himself to the charge of nepotism by his actions, quite apart from the disagreeable innuendo that this episode has provoked. All entirely avoidable. Thu 02 Sep 2010 12:49:45 GMT+1 Anne P Big Sister, I'm with Mr Noix on this in the absence of further information. On the basis of degree classification alone neither I nor my other half would meet your scrutiny (both 2:2) but I had a successful career in computing and he ended up as the academic director of a university. This young man may have qualities that justified his employment beyond the simple 'just because a minister likes him'. I also wonder, as I always do when stories such as this hit the press, just who is out to get whom. Thu 02 Sep 2010 12:29:08 GMT+1 Grande Noix Only noting that, even in this over-twittered world, we only know part of any 'story', and that we only see that through our own personal lenses.As noted, I'm withholding judgement but inclined to benefit of doubt. That's it. Thu 02 Sep 2010 12:26:47 GMT+1 Big Sister Errr, I think you're trying too hard now, Big Nut! ;o) Thu 02 Sep 2010 11:52:52 GMT+1 Grande Noix Paper qualifications are only part of one's 'portfolio' of qualifications. As I suggested, the young man may well have been hired in the first place because someone noted his qualities (e.g. circumspect, insightful, astute, legal and historical knowledge, etc.). Nepotism may have a bad name, but it has been the key to the success of quite a few cultural sub-groups, including but not limited to Scots, Jews, Asians, etc. It is part of a suite of "family values", which also includes hard work, education, frugality and prudence.;-) Thu 02 Sep 2010 11:49:39 GMT+1 Big Sister My 50: You'll realise I'm really cross about this issue.UK taxpayers (and that includes me) were paying the salary for this young man, and any others who have been appointed on the whim of a minister. I object to contributing towards the salary of somebody who is not qualified for the job they are purporting to do just because a minister likes him. There may be some who would call this nepotism - I will leave others to judge as I don't want to fall foul of the mods. Thu 02 Sep 2010 11:31:49 GMT+1 Big Sister Incidentally, no innuendo was intended in my last sentence. Thu 02 Sep 2010 11:26:22 GMT+1 Big Sister Mr. Big Nut: My husband earns less, is considerably older, and works in London. He has decades of experience for his post. This young man has been favoured over others, it would appear. Such an appointment will always raise eyebrows when the person in question cannot show a C.V. that is an appropriate match for the post they have been given - a 2.1 degree in history and training as a lawyer hardly fit him to advise on foreign affairs. That the two men get along well is obvious, that Mr. Hague likes him is also clear, but the latter has lacked judgement in this particular appointment. Thu 02 Sep 2010 11:22:49 GMT+1 Grande Noix From the afore mentioned article, a gem,"The British do nothing better than hypocrisy, a dish for all seasons, usually served with a thick, spicy sauce.";-) Thu 02 Sep 2010 11:14:31 GMT+1 Grande Noix 47. Big Sister"hardly a high flyer. And being paid around £30K, I believe. "Perhaps an enviable salary in my day, but not a lot in today's London terms, methinks. One is aquainted with quite a few young folk with 2:1 degrees 'earning' rather more than that, as well as a good many earning less, to be sure. Thu 02 Sep 2010 11:06:17 GMT+1 Big Sister No, he has a second class degree from Durham, Nut. That's one of the issues that is being discussed - hardly a high flyer. And being paid around £30K, I believe. Thu 02 Sep 2010 10:47:25 GMT+1 Grande Noix 45. Big Sister"Cronyism at its worst (at the very least)."I'm inclined to benefit of doubt myself. The driver may well have been employed in part because someone noted his political acumen. We will no doubt be treated in coming days to a prying investigation into his qualifications. Is he, for example, a PPE graduate?Withholding judgement Thu 02 Sep 2010 10:43:37 GMT+1 Big Sister Thanks, GN. The last paragraph of the article pretty well sums up my own views on the matter. Cronyism at its worst (at the very least). Thu 02 Sep 2010 10:38:47 GMT+1 Grande Noix William Hague and the British MediaFYI Thu 02 Sep 2010 10:31:07 GMT+1 Big Sister Yes, the blinds need lifting for Tuesday. Thu 02 Sep 2010 10:29:00 GMT+1 Grande Noix Well, two out of three ain't bad! Thu 02 Sep 2010 10:21:21 GMT+1 Grande Noix Also available for scrutiny, AM Glassboxes from:Monday,Tuesday,Wednesday.;-) Thu 02 Sep 2010 10:19:10 GMT+1 Big Sister Yes, well done one and all. Thu 02 Sep 2010 10:14:24 GMT+1 Grande Noix And, would all please note that today's AM box is closed for comments, but with those which made it before closure still; visible.Three cheers for Eddie and George! Thu 02 Sep 2010 10:11:50 GMT+1 davmcn I'm giving Lady Sue further consideration... Thu 02 Sep 2010 09:25:21 GMT+1 Lady_Sue Yes, thank you GN - that's extremely enlightening and, confess, encouraging! Perhaps you might highlight it elsewhere as few check threads retrospectively - unless they have some reason (like I do at the moment in checking this one!).Think I might owe Eddie an apology for expecting too much - you really are a one-man marvel. Thu 02 Sep 2010 09:24:26 GMT+1 Big Sister Thank you for sharing that, Mr. Big Nut ;o) Thu 02 Sep 2010 09:09:16 GMT+1 Grande Noix Lady sue,,A friend sent the programme an email and (eight minutes later) received the following response:01/09/10 14:15"It's a good point and one I'm aware of. We will get it sorted, as I wantto be consistent across the week. Sadly, when people talk of all thepeople behind the blog, when it gets down to it, it is essentially me ona daily basis, with help from George. Once we are both in the same room at the same time, we'll sort out aregular system that regularly closes the box after 11 but keeps thecomments visible.Thank you for the email and your patience. I enjoy reading yourcomments.Best wishesEddie -----Original Message-----From: [a friend]Sent: 01 September 2010 14:07To: PMSubject: Closing the AM GlassboxA good idea in principle, but the difference between theory and practiceis greater in practice than in theory.visible, but no comments and no 'topical posts, and no indication thatit's closed: the same:, but with comments visible, and with a valid list of 'topicalposts: is most user-friendly? Least confusing?;-)" Thu 02 Sep 2010 08:48:30 GMT+1 Lady_Sue edward, thanks for yours. I don't recall the AQ comments but, it is more than likely, that I simply scrolled over them. Agree that there are often more appropriate sites for some of the comments eg. what people are listening to on the radio and whether or not they think its interesting should, as you say, either go to that programmes blog or Feedback.I'm yet to look at the AM GB but wonder if it will be the usual suggestions to rehash what is being covered by 'Today', what is already a major news item (so inevitably will be covered) or some personal rant. I had hoped (vainly it seems) that one of the PM Team might have responded to mine. As with a previous, similar (though rather more light hearted) post, its being met with silence indicates, as Anne says, that there must be some truth in it. Thu 02 Sep 2010 08:26:56 GMT+1 elcej Lady Sue@30Wise words as ever.Perhaps the final straw was the comments made here about Eddie's chairing of Any Questions a couple of weeks ago. Not only were many of the comments simply ridiculous but also the wrong place to air them. I did suggest to them that Feedback would be a better place to air their views.As I said in my (5) above, I can sympathise with the PM Team's annoyance that these blogs are being abused. However, I still feel it would be better to issue a strong statement on PM Blogging policy (and policing the policy) rather than throwing out the baby with the bath water. Thu 02 Sep 2010 07:18:52 GMT+1 Mindclearly I am so pleased you kept to your mandate and did the Billy Hauge story before the Blair book. Much more interesting and timely by all concerned.There does seem an alful lot of claim and counter claim going on with a marriage in the middle, who'ld be a front seat politician..... Thu 02 Sep 2010 06:52:19 GMT+1 Alan_N 30 - Lady Sue - Sadly I think you are quite right. Shame. Thu 02 Sep 2010 05:54:46 GMT+1 Lady_Sue edward@5 (and from the 'nightie' step): there used to be a lot more interaction from Eddie and the team. I suspect there has been a general loss of enthusiasm for the blog, which has probably arisen for a variety of reasons - perhaps the PM Team feel it is simply "past its sell by date"? Agree that there seem to be very few of the suggested items in the AM GB taken up for the programme - it was a brilliant gesture by the team but seemed to have been hijacked for bickering rather than put to good use by Froggers. Good debate between Froggers used to be interesting and challenging. Sadly, of late, this "healthy debate" has shown signs of deterioriation - particularly with regard to a few who seem to have personal grudges about their own lives they want to air and endlessly repeat, rather than engage in any discussion of the topics presented. It was always particularly stimulating when one or other of the busy, multi-tasking, PM Team (whose job it is, after all, to produce a radio programme, not fiddle about on blogs) made a comment in response to something, which showed both that they were paying attention to what we were saying and that we weren't in a vacuum tapping away for our own amusement. Comments from the team are now extremely rare - I think the last one was made by Jo about a week ago. There used to be a link on the right of the page showing Eddie, Jo or Jennifer's names so we could click on it to see what comments they had made - I note that the link is no longer even there, indicating the last comments they made were probably some time ago. It does rather create a sense that they aren't all that interested any longer and that the only BBC people reading it - the Mods, who aren't necessarily even part of the PM Team - are doing so for the purposes of screening for items that might require "further consideration". Thu 02 Sep 2010 04:08:14 GMT+1 Lady_Sue Mine@3 was a suggestion that, in response to Your Man summarising Blair's book in one sentence, we have a competition to reduce said book to a Limerick. I also offered a Limerick, which I thought was as harmless as it was predictably awful and can't see what was in it that required modding "for further consideration". Suspect the Beeb are being particularly careful of any scrutiny that might fall on any reporting of said book. Thu 02 Sep 2010 03:39:52 GMT+1 Lady_Sue I also said that Jatinder was looking pretty gorgeous, but surely a girl can't get modded for that? Thu 02 Sep 2010 03:19:34 GMT+1 Lady_Sue Let me rephrase those modded comments: SSCat@2: hear, hear. Despite misgivings about PM getting on the "hype Tony's book" train (as Anne says, it was inevitable it would be covered) - I thought it was done extremely well. Am enjoying Chris Mullin's book on 'Book of the Week' and found his comments of interest. The William Hague story about sharing a twin room with his driver: I find this rather curious in the light of the MPs expenses scandal - I would have thought someone in his position would, at the very least, have two single rooms - or one single room and one suite. Surely Mr. Hague should be applauded for not being extravagant? I think it's terribly sad that he feels some need to quantify his wife's multiple miscarriages in his defense. Unnecessary, surely? Anne@13: wise words, as ever. Why did Mr. Hague's driver feel the need to resign? Presume he could have been transferred to become the driver of another politician? I thought they were all going to ride bicycles and use public transport after the expenses scandal.As for the Terry Jupp story - he sounds like an admirable chap and I'm sure he did a very good job (downplaying what he did like that to his mother - "something in plastics" - showed what a professional he was) but not quite sure why his wife thinks his work might have "saved thousands of lives". Perhaps it gives her some comfort but surely there is just as much chance he was dealing with plastic explosives to experiment with using them as a weapon, rather than disarming them? Thu 02 Sep 2010 02:58:28 GMT+1 jonnie Anne and Grande Noix : "The capacity of the latter, twitter et al, to magnify gossip and rumour is one of its least attractive characteristics." All valid however the press can be held as having an equal degree of culpability.The value Facebook / Twitter et al affords us, in expressing our views, surely outweighs the negative aspects of the Internet. We have free will and speech (to an extent) so can make our own decisions - without the media taking their own stance and possibly biased judgement on a story?----------------------------------------------------------------------AM GlassboxI think (possibly) Eddie may leave the comments up if Froggers just left their contributions rather than the constant repartie of responses.Initially it worked quite well, now it's a nightmare to read for anyone not actively waiting for responses and best sent into the shredder.Just my own view. Thu 02 Sep 2010 00:06:05 GMT+1 Redheylin That is; "But according to Kanazawa". Time to vote BNP. Wed 01 Sep 2010 23:44:26 GMT+1 Redheylin More dumbing down. The battle to sell off the BBC is currently being souped up by the allegation of institutional liberal bias.Vut according to Kanawaza, young adults who subjectively identify themselves as “very liberal” have an average IQ of 106 during adolescence while those who identify themselves as “very conservative” have an average IQ of 95 during adolescence.Therefore, the only way to get a conservative bias would be to staff the BBC with people of below-average intelligence. Wed 01 Sep 2010 23:43:20 GMT+1 Redheylin 22 There are major problems with society at the "highest of levels". It was the Met, not the church, that cancelled its investigations back in the early 90s when it discovered the "high level" people involved. It is our own society that supposes that resignation or "humiliation" is "punishment enough" for crimes that would see "lower order" people put away for years. It's our society that devotes airtime to large organisations that exist largely to tell you you are evil owing to your participation in ordinary family life. It's our society that allows itself to be ordered by a morbid fascination with perversion and, far from seeking reasons for such disease, finds no word for the sex-organs acceptable and, indeed, aims to rename them "gender-organs"! Wed 01 Sep 2010 23:19:56 GMT+1 newlach No number of lay Catholics telling me that they have been "humbled" by the paedophile priest scandal will go one bit towards helping the victims of clerical sexual abuse. When a cardinal in Belgium apparently urged an abuse victim to delay reporting the abuse to the authorities it is clear that there are major problems with the Church at the highest of levels. Wed 01 Sep 2010 22:59:13 GMT+1 Redheylin 18 - interesting. Someone reads something that was not there. Best get yr mind modded. Wed 01 Sep 2010 22:58:59 GMT+1 annasee Oooh, Lady Sue, what HAVE you been saying! You'll be getting some sort of medal soon for services to keeping the mods in jobs, or similar. Well done!I enjoyed the summarising of the Blair book on PM. Saves me having to read it. And Eddie's journey in the newsletter. I can't remember the rest of the programme but I know I liked it. (Short-term memory sadly departing on a journey too.) Wed 01 Sep 2010 22:05:08 GMT+1 Redheylin I wonder what is/was going to happenWhen Parliament reconvenes? Wed 01 Sep 2010 21:42:47 GMT+1 Redheylin No big deal about affairs these daysNo pressing for resignationsAnd no real evidenceAnd broadly pro-homosexual govt. rhetoricJust one blogger asking questions - Many here had heard nothing.No statement from MyersNo statement from CameronNo statement from FfionNo need for revelations of "heartbreak" No explanation of extra advisor's functionIt's all very odd. Wed 01 Sep 2010 21:41:47 GMT+1 elcej 6 & 16 Lady Sue.Two comments referred in one day.Now go to the naughty step for two minutes. Wed 01 Sep 2010 21:31:39 GMT+1 Lady_Sue This post has been Removed Wed 01 Sep 2010 18:59:50 GMT+1 Anne P I did think there was an interesting contrast between the comment that William Hague was too trusting and the tone of the Blair judgments about his colleagues. Politics apart I know who I'd rather have to tea! Wed 01 Sep 2010 18:37:16 GMT+1 Grande Noix 13. Anne P"The capacity of the latter, twitter et al, to magnify gossip and rumour is one of its least attractive characteristics."As with all tools, the goodness or evil resides in those who use them.;-( Wed 01 Sep 2010 18:30:23 GMT+1 Anne P Felt that the programme di dmanage to achieve some balance given that inevitably it had to cover the Blair book pretty extensively.Like others I am saddened by the William Hague business, and especially for the poor man who has resigned (and his family). Can we please now leave them all alone, whatever rubbish people choose to put on the internet. The capacity of the latter, twitter et al, to magnify gossip and rumour is one of its least attractive characteristics. Wed 01 Sep 2010 18:23:55 GMT+1 Alan_N 8 - M. Large Nut - Like you, my flabber was gasted. I don’t hang out in those dark corners of the internet ;-) Wed 01 Sep 2010 18:12:55 GMT+1 skoubhie_dubh Since cricket features SOooo much on the BBC news reports these days, maybe it is timely to congratulate Freuchie on today's 25th anniversary of their cup triumph. Enjoy guys. Hope the hangovers have subsided after all that time. Wed 01 Sep 2010 17:47:43 GMT+1 Grande Noix 6. Lady Sue"I think it's terribly sad that he feels some need to quantify his wife's multiple miscarriages in his defense. Unnecessary, surely?"I think it's sad all round, but that's the prurience of the public. I, for one, am prepared to take him at his word. Wed 01 Sep 2010 17:45:11 GMT+1 Grande Noix 5. edwardjecle"Personally, I am very annoyed that the PM Team seem to not listen to their customers (the bloggers here) or believe they need to answer to them....."To be fair, Eddie and others from the team do read these screeds and occasionally answer/comment. I believe they do so rather more than others, e.g. Nick Ross, Brian the Bletherer (not), etc, though I beleive Peston and Stephie sometimes engage with their respective bloggers.Be assured that Eddie (Himself) is on the case regarding the boxes. Wed 01 Sep 2010 17:41:38 GMT+1 Looternite Hmmm.... until the William Hague story I had no idea there were stories about him on the internet. I expect that now more people are aware of these rumours because of the denials. Wed 01 Sep 2010 17:41:38 GMT+1 MoC Just got in and looked at the AM glass box to edify myself with the usual cogent comment - and it's blank.PM team, this approach is pre-modern world. I can't fathom the rationale. It would seem to make more sense just to close down completely all comments facilities and admit that you don't want listener engagement after all. You know what the golden rule is of the online world: don't go there if you want to exercise brand control. The BBC's job is to listen as well as speak unto nation ... and that includes listening to nonsense, I'm afraid. Wed 01 Sep 2010 17:40:18 GMT+1 Lady_Sue This post has been Removed Wed 01 Sep 2010 17:20:48 GMT+1 elcej 2 TSS CatI think the reasoning you are missing is that the PM team only pay lip service to these blogs. It really is extremely rare IMHO for a suggestion in the AM Glass box to be covered and also extremely rare for any response to the kind feedback that some people leave on the PM Blog. I guess the PM Team is also very annoyed that people have the cheek to debate topics on these blogs. I can somewhat understand the last point but an explanation would have been polite.Personally, I am very annoyed that the PM Team seem to not listen to their customers (the bloggers here) or believe they need to answer to them...... but listening to Radio 4's Feedback programme I think this is the same with 99% of the BBC. How often have you heard a BBC producer on Feedback say "sorry. we got it wrong" Wed 01 Sep 2010 17:19:22 GMT+1 Redheylin Coming soon on PM!!*Hitler was much maligned for his few policy lapses - he had had to come to terms with many personal tragedies and loved his dog" says friend.*Jack the Ripper blames "poor policing and bad press"*"We have failed to put our arguments before the public and allowed our opponents to put us on the back foot" says a leading paedophile.etc Wed 01 Sep 2010 17:09:08 GMT+1 Lady_Sue This post has been Removed Wed 01 Sep 2010 17:07:30 GMT+1 The Stainless Steel Cat So the AM Glass Box now self-destructs, and the PM Glass Box continues to not open until after six when presumably those who would read it are already in the real Glass Box.I've obviously missed the reasoning behind these things, but I know it's quite discouraging. Wed 01 Sep 2010 17:04:08 GMT+1 Grande Noix Brilliant! "On 2 May 1997, I walked into Downing Street. I had never held office, not even as the most junior of junior ministers. I was in the wrong place. I should have been at the BBC. I walked to the Jubilee Line and got the tube". Wed 01 Sep 2010 17:02:45 GMT+1