Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml en-gb 30 Wed 22 Oct 2014 09:39:29 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml U14589562 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=98#comment51 1. Why didn't it disappear today at 11?2. Should the blog be run in the public interest, the interest of bloggers or the interests of the programme?3. Could Mark Thompson include a bit on that in his vale/salve/dictory addresses. (:-)4. More seriously, people droning on about the bees in their bonnets on the AM blog might irritate PM staff because they just want 'They cut my water off this morning without warning, or, indeed, any contact, and say I can't be compensated because burst pipes, which it was, are exempt. How is that? Isn't the company responsible for bursts, lack of inspection, etc?' All of which is true.Or it may irritate more senior BBC, BBC Trust and even Ministerial figures.But it surely is a huge virtue in itself.For it assures many many holders of minority opinions that their voices are heard if unheeded.It seems an extraordinary decency, like Soap Box Corner, that plainly eccentric opinions can be posted there.They may be boring as anything but there is a scroll button. And like Speakers Corner you learn to know who to avoid and who to sample carefully as well as who to listen to.In fact like Speakers Corner the opinions here are surely only here, in the overwhelming majority of cases, because you won't hear them on PM, The World at One, Newsnight etc or in Parliament or the mass circulation newspapers and magazines. Thu 26 Aug 2010 11:07:10 GMT+1 funnyJoedunn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=96#comment50 Alan N (45)I understand your point and agree. However, in a middle class run society obsessed with putting people in stereotypical boxes, it is no wonder that they beleive the the person on the ground adds little to the politics of the debate, where interviews on BBC outlets often end up at. For instance, a person who wants a particular medical operation or a certain cancer drug are often only asked about the effects of positive or negative human effects on their lives. this is probably due to journalistic training. Surely you are not saying that the people on the ground (or the vast majority of them) are not deemed worthy of having a political opinion matters? And ok if they do not have the head knowledge concerning such matters should they not be treated less condescendingly by interviewers then turning to the so called 'qualified expert' and with use of voice intonation and approach give the impression, 'but now where going to hear whats really relevant about the issue'? Its the trick they use all the time to keep ownership, IMHO. But I'm open to be proved wrong. Thu 26 Aug 2010 11:03:33 GMT+1 IMOORE http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=94#comment49 38/I wouldn't want to turn this into another argument, and will be my last comment on it, but I can promise you I can support the case I made. Just the last issue, Gordon Brown cutting the English NHS, the BBC never reported this, this was the last act of Gordon Brown as Chancellor, here he cut the capital budget of the English NHS by 30%, then went round in his self styled coronation claiming that the NHS meant so much to him (perhaps he meant the Scottish NHS). But this is important now, the lazy reporting the BBC has done over devolution means they are imprecise about reporting cuts and who they actually effect. We get reports that the schools budget is getting cut; but hold on, is that the English schools budget that is getting cut, or are they clawing back money from the Barnett formula as well? We don't know, it is not made clear. As far as I understand Cameron went round Scotland , Wales and Northern Ireland saying that their budgets for 2009 were protected, so are the cuts now just English cuts ? And what happens in 2010, are there bigger cuts made to the Barnet formula next year to compensate? This is the problem we have , we don't have an English parliament to fight for the interests of English people, the British Parliament seems incapable of doing it, and the BBC who claim to hold our political class to account have an equally large blind spot where English people are concerned. When devolution happened I wrote to the BBC questioning their policy on it, they sent me back their response to devolution, ‘Devolution the BBC’s program response’ here it mentioned Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland, and how they were going to identify and represent these nations news , England was excluded, they only mentioned England a few times but only in a regional context, and this is the problem that remains true to today, and why English national issues aren’t represented, and the likes of English students end up suffering the consequences of the dogs breakfast of a constitutional settlement. Thu 26 Aug 2010 10:54:10 GMT+1 Alan_N http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=92#comment48 48 - Big Sis - I understand his message, it's his logic I'm struggling with.Perhaps all that ranting in some quarters about AQ has come back to haunt us all... Thu 26 Aug 2010 10:53:03 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=90#comment47 mittfh (and others)I'd refer you to the last part of Eddie's message:it's not the purpose of the AM Glass Box, or the Blog, to provide a daily outlet for people to argue about anything they like.So, perhaps they won't resurrect the Furrowed Brown, either. I think the regime may have got a bit tougher ... Thu 26 Aug 2010 10:50:37 GMT+1 Alan_N http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=88#comment46 Eww - every time I post I turn into IMOORE (quieter posters are available) talking about Harry someone from BP.*shudders* Thu 26 Aug 2010 10:49:19 GMT+1 Alan_N http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=86#comment45 The only argument that I can see for now allowing the AM GB to wander off down any old rabbit hole it likes after 1100 is that the Beeb will have to expend resource moderating it, and that's pretty ropey logic as the poster would presumably just post it somewhere else and it would still need moderating. Other than that, why bother to turn it off? Thu 26 Aug 2010 10:48:19 GMT+1 Alan_N http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=84#comment44 42 - Joe, unlikely that anyone can prove you wrong, because it's all a metter of opinion. Having said that I must say that I find the view of the person 'on the ground' (as you put it) to be a very useful scene setter but often adds nothing to analysis of the problem/issue.Example - imagine some huge calamity with the national grid causing power to be cut off to thousands. Now, having interviewed mother of 5 with no heating or cooker ("it's terrible cold, and the kiddies are hungry") do we interview everyone else in her street (all of whom are cold and hungry), or wheel in an engineer who can talk intelligently about the national grid and what's wrong with it? First option is great for human interest and hand wringing, second explores the problem and possible solution. Thu 26 Aug 2010 10:45:21 GMT+1 mittfh http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=82#comment43 As for the debate over the purpose of the Glass Boxes, since The Furrowed Brow is deprecated (and wasn't used much anyway), it's only natural that once 11am arrives, we use the box for general news discussion. As long as discussion remains centred around news topics, and before 11am it concentrates on aspects of the stories we'd like PM to focus on, it should be OK (unless anyone fancies resurrecting the Furrowed Brow).Similarly, any mention or discussion of news topics on The Beach should be considered off-topic for that particular thread. Thu 26 Aug 2010 10:43:21 GMT+1 The Intermittent Horse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=80#comment42 Erm - Big Sister - re my (26) - It looks as though I might have been wrong.As Eddie says "...it's not the purpose of the AM Glass Box, or the Blog, to provide a daily outlet for people to argue about anything they like. "Amen to that. Thu 26 Aug 2010 10:40:53 GMT+1 funnyJoedunn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=78#comment41 surely the issue is one of ownership? I would have thought the people who pay for and fund the BBC have a direct interest and ownership in how it is run. However, you'll never get them to admit this in fact and function as, it is a middle class establishment run for and by middle class people face it meisters. It is often like pulling teeth to get any real reaction from the REAL people on the ground that draconian government policies and measures affect. this is because they are obsessed with experts by appointment, position and by qualifications. Not interested in experts by experience, which by and large are all the so called 'little' people and working class have to offer. And when they do find the teeth pulling bearable, and offer a snippet from the mouth of the horse on the ground (the little people) it is done most often in a patronising and condescending way, and tightly managed as if at any moment the 'little' people might be too revealing and blow the whole set up out of the water. IMHO of course. However, I am open to be proved wrong. Thu 26 Aug 2010 10:35:58 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=76#comment40 Coffee, anyone? Thu 26 Aug 2010 10:35:32 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=75#comment39 And why didn't he want him to move back to Gloucestershire? Because he might expose his aunt's penchant for putting cats in rubbish bins, that's why! Thu 26 Aug 2010 10:35:09 GMT+1 mittfh http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=73#comment38 MI6 worker deathNever mind the fact that no other media source has speculated on the person's private life (other than one or two mentioning a possible row with a lover), and the implausibility of keeping blackmailable secrets from both GCHQ and MI6, The Fun has apparently decided that he was a secret cross dresser with a gay lover who didn't want him to move back to Gloucestershire.Why am I reminded of the phrase "Never let the facts get in the way of a good story"? Thu 26 Aug 2010 10:31:47 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=71#comment37 35. IMOOREIf you think these issues have not been aired on the BBC, you haven't been paying attention. Thu 26 Aug 2010 10:13:25 GMT+1 DiY http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=69#comment36 "It's time to get the foil off the buffet" Thu 26 Aug 2010 10:04:35 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=67#comment35 IMOORE: I think you're being rather rude to Mr. Mair, and that may be part of the problem ... Thu 26 Aug 2010 10:02:23 GMT+1 IMOORE http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=65#comment34 28/ Perhaps that is a sign of the frustration people have that the BBC doesn't air topics people feel should be represented. The biggest set piece argument was over devolution, here the BBC has over 13 years singularly failed to explore this issue from English peoples point of view, the discrimination of English students studying in Scotland, the discrimination in spending, Gordon Brown unilaterally cutting the English NHS, etc has all slipped by with out a comment from the BBC, if this had taken place for any other group the BBC would have got in the faces of politicians, but for English people, no. Perhaps this is an institutional problem with the BBC, for while there is a BBC Scotland, Wales , Northern Ireland, there is no BBC England. When you look at the BBC's web site the politics section has a section for politics in Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, but for England, the BBC gives us politics around England, not for England. Thu 26 Aug 2010 09:59:50 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=63#comment33 Sorry, Eddie, I wasn't around during the day, so didn't see any subsequent messages. I never read the bumf at the top, so hadn't spotted the difference. But now we know (a) that it closes and (b) that all posts are erased ....It is a big change, but one I'm sure we can live with. Thanks for taking the trouble to explain. Thu 26 Aug 2010 09:58:09 GMT+1 eddiemair http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=61#comment32 Actually, yesterday's Glass Box intro did say "Please leave your comment before 11, after which time the box may be closed." Thu 26 Aug 2010 09:56:21 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=59#comment31 Okay, Eddie, now we know (but yesterday we didn't) ;o) Thu 26 Aug 2010 09:53:57 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=57#comment30 Perhaps Eddie should post that explanation into the newsletter as, judging by yesterday's event, it will disappear at 11 a.m. ;o) Thu 26 Aug 2010 09:53:25 GMT+1 eddiemair http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=55#comment29 Yes. Thu 26 Aug 2010 09:51:25 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=53#comment28 Thanks, Eddie, for the explanation. But - was it intended for all the posts to disappear? Thu 26 Aug 2010 09:48:04 GMT+1 eddiemair http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=51#comment27 Hello,The box did close yesterday, as yesterday's post said it might. By 11.00 we've taken in any ideas for use in our meeting. Thanks for the good ideas that we get. We hope listeners use it as a way of being more involved in the programme. We find good ideas very useful and will carry on making good use of them. But no, it's not the purpose of the AM Glass Box, or the Blog, to provide a daily outlet for people to argue about anything they like. Thu 26 Aug 2010 09:45:43 GMT+1 Anne P http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=50#comment26 Glass box offering - local 'branch line' from Derby to Matlock is reporting greatly increased traffic. Is this the start of a general resurgence in local rail travel? Thu 26 Aug 2010 09:44:35 GMT+1 The Intermittent Horse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=48#comment25 Big Sister (5&25) - As every other AM Glass Box for months is still available for reading and contribution, I suspect that yesterday's is unavailable due to a technical 'hen-up'. Whether this is connected to the continuing posting glitches and the imminent 'upgrade', I have no idea. Thu 26 Aug 2010 09:36:45 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=46#comment24 Phil Burt: The right to know belongs to us all, regardless of BBC ID agreements. I'm sure Eddie and the Team wouldn't want to lose our goodwill - and I say that with no hint of a threat, btw. Thu 26 Aug 2010 09:19:06 GMT+1 Phil Burt http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=44#comment23 15. MadnessOfCrowdsAye tae a' that! Thu 26 Aug 2010 09:18:41 GMT+1 Phil Burt http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=42#comment22 5. Big Sister"I think we have a right to know"Not according to the agreement you signed up to when you got your BBC ID!Face it. You have no rights!;-) Thu 26 Aug 2010 09:15:51 GMT+1 Alan_N http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=40#comment21 19 - Oh the comedy...;-) Thu 26 Aug 2010 09:11:42 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=38#comment20 The Miliband Brothers.Yesterday, David and Ed are said to have taken the gloves off (well, in part, perhaps - let's say, they showed each other their wrists) in the leadership election. Jon Cruddas plumped for David, the New Statesman for Ed .... David wants to keep the New Labour flag flying, Ed offers a hand to disenchanted LibDem supporters while challenging the New Labour comfort zone.Are PM brave enough to invite both brothers on together to discuss the divergences in their views? Thu 26 Aug 2010 09:11:03 GMT+1 IMOORE http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=36#comment19 I realise the BBC doesn't like to do scrutinising the EU , but here is hoping...'the EU’s budget is going to increase by more than £8.8 billion to £125 billion in 2013, a 7.6 per cent rise on this year’s spending levels. The increase will mean that the British contribution to the EU rises to £10.3 billion over the next three years.'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/7963962/Brussels-to-defy-Camerons-call-for-EU-spending-cuts.html Thu 26 Aug 2010 09:05:23 GMT+1 MoC http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=34#comment18 @13 Mindclearly - Is Nadir returning because his Mates are back in power? Mates - geddit???!!! Thu 26 Aug 2010 09:03:18 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=32#comment17 Here is something unusual and may be worthy of further investigation.Apparently there is unsafe counterfeit cable entering our market. With money being tight contractors could be tempted to reduce costs by buying cheap cable. Our safety could be at risk.http://www.epaonthenet.net/article.aspx?ArticleID=36063 Thu 26 Aug 2010 08:58:19 GMT+1 IMOORE http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=30#comment16 Immigration 567k, Emmigration 371k, net population increase 196k.And this at a time when people are being made unemployed. If immigation doesn't fall in a recession, god help us when there is an upturn. Thu 26 Aug 2010 08:54:27 GMT+1 Alan_N http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=28#comment15 Blog Meisters - Please don't take the page down after 1100. We know that you've stopped reading it, but no reason why we can't still play is there? Thu 26 Aug 2010 08:37:00 GMT+1 MoC http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=26#comment14 Oxbridge - ye cannae whack 'em (pity)"what someone said that upset some Scots" - anything badly informed upsets most Scots. If you don't want to upset Scots, get your facts right; if you do want to upset Scots, think about getting a check-up from the neck-up."and opinions about Sid" - I'll never forgive him for selling off British Gas. Thu 26 Aug 2010 08:35:42 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=25#comment13 13 MindclearlyDamien Hinds? or in the media James Mates, at ITN? Thu 26 Aug 2010 08:32:53 GMT+1 Mindclearly http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=23#comment12 12 LooterniteWho'll be on 'Azil watch' from todays elected Tory party I wonder Thu 26 Aug 2010 08:24:28 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=21#comment11 There must be a real reason why Azil Nadir is returning.Always follow the money. Thu 26 Aug 2010 08:22:03 GMT+1 Mindclearly http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=19#comment10 almost as glichy as my dyslexia!!! I'm sure you'll make sense of what I've posted!! Thu 26 Aug 2010 08:20:31 GMT+1 Mindclearly http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=17#comment9 Sis (8) see the ever lasting beach 2050 onwards as TIH and I had this happening to us yesterday. It seem the blog had developed a glich. Thu 26 Aug 2010 08:19:13 GMT+1 Anne P http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=15#comment8 Big Sister - I suspect it's all part of some lovely new upgrade! Thu 26 Aug 2010 08:18:28 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=13#comment7 Another, related, point. Could it somewhere be explained to those who haven't already figured it out that anyone posting on the board should ignore the little box that tells us 'you have already said that in comment 1' when we press the Post Comment button and simply refresh our screens?Eddie, if you're unaware of all this, perhaps The Wizard of Oz needs to be pulled out from behind his curtain! Thu 26 Aug 2010 08:15:30 GMT+1 lucien desgai http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=11#comment6 *their favourite issues. Thu 26 Aug 2010 08:15:22 GMT+1 lucien desgai http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=9#comment5 Maybe there could be an AM glass box, strictly for the purpose of programme suggestions and closing at 11 ... and a separate daily debate thread where people can discuss the favourite issues (though preferably not too much about Oxbridge, what someone said that upset some Scots, and opinions about Sid). Thu 26 Aug 2010 08:14:18 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=7#comment4 Eddie, where are the comments from yesterday's AM Glass Box? I was out all day and wanted to review the items, but - like everyone else, it would seem - am now greeted by a blank space where the comments should be.Is this a 'new policy'? Could we be warned/advised/informed about it? It may affect how people post, and I think we have a right to know (as we take the trouble to comment).Thank you. Thu 26 Aug 2010 08:08:01 GMT+1 Alan_N http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=5#comment3 *groan* Thu 26 Aug 2010 08:01:37 GMT+1 The Intermittent Horse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=3#comment2 IMOORE - Make up your mind. Yesterday you weren't interested at all in bee pee. Thu 26 Aug 2010 07:56:19 GMT+1 Phil Burt http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=1#comment1 1. IMOORE"an important industrial asset?" A "buy signal"? Thu 26 Aug 2010 07:50:10 GMT+1 IMOORE http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/08/am_glass_box_171.shtml?page=0#comment0 ' Harry Thierens, BP’s vice president for drilling and completions, told a US political hearing that the blowout preventer was connected to a test pipe, rather than the correct one. 'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/7964890/Oil-spill-safety-valve-was-wrongly-plumbed-on-rig-says-BP-executive.htmlThis meant the well couldn't be closed and was Transocean's responsibility.Will we see some humble pie from Obama, and some spine from our politicians to defend an important industrial asset? Thu 26 Aug 2010 07:29:24 GMT+1