Comments for en-gb 30 Mon 29 Dec 2014 02:58:24 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at Thruns_Guinneabottle MacIsBack(65)Crudely put, you propose that we take money away from those who seem to have a lot of it, and give it to those who need it but find it hard to come by, even if it is only to fund the latter’s share of the national debt.This kind of wealth redistribution already happens. You just think there should be more of it. At the present moment. I have some sympathy with this idea, because the last Labour government led us to the brink of ruination, and it seems to be much easier to squeeze the fruit that is plump rather than that which is already wizened. In the last twenty years, the lot of the folk at the bottom has not changed much, but those at the top have been able to command wealth beyond reason.So my instinct is to agree with you. But as a long term solution, it would worry me. Firstly, as a principle, rather than an expedient, it begins to sound like the old Marxist dictum: “From each ... ... To each ... ... etc”. Marxism always led to the vilest of political regimes. I am glad they have mostly self-destructed. I also think you cannot have true freedom if it doesn’t include the freedom to earn (make) pots of money.Secondly, even without your detailed analysis in terms of percentiles, we can say that we are divided up into net contributors and net beneficiaries (and maybe some who break even). What worries me is that the net beneficiaries now make new demands which the contributors have to pay for. And the demands grow and grow, whilst there is a diminishing means to pay for it all. I think this can go on only so long as the contributors feel they are funding a society which they want to live in. If they do not feel this attachment, they will leave.(Or their money will). Or they might simply go on strike, (although I have not figured out the details of this). Most likely the marginally net contributors will flip over to become net beneficiaries. That sounds to me like a tipping point from which the process accelerates out of control. That will destroy us.I think we have to do something with the demand side of this agreement between beneficiaries and contributors. In a post on this same blog, I pointed out that there are groups of beneficiaries which are now dynasties, with their gaping maws insatiable from generation to generation. I raised my hand in favour eugenics. There are some very trigger happy invokers of the moderators around, and my comment soon succumbed to moderation, so one has to tread carefully. But perpetuating the dependency of these dynasties of net beneficiaries has to stop. We do not have natural resources to plunder to pay for them. Our only resource, is actually the folk whom we penalise with the taxes to pay for it all. In the jargon popular today, it is not sustainable. So yes, I agree. Lets use taxation on the rich to solve the present crisis, But long term, I want to see a quid pro quo with respect to the the trans generational recipients of taxpayers' largesse. Thu 26 Aug 2010 14:51:59 GMT+1 U14589562 The question of debt has dropped from its frontline position in Clegg's argument. As well it should, because our debt is funded long term. And his 'fairness' is unfair to the poor.Channel 4's graphics were wonderful, the effect on the worst off ten percent, at a post tax income of ~9,000 compared with the absolutely samller effect on the next 80 percent of people better off, shown very clearly. The best off are 10 times better off than the worst off. But the figure that caught was Jon Snow describing 44 thousand as the averge - the mean. Which it is. With 70 percent of us, paupers, way below it, and 30 percent lording it over us.The '50 percent earn more than...fifty percent earn less tham...' figure always quoted, the median, is 22 thousand - half the arithmetic average. Plenty of scope to raise this year's deficit among the best off quarter of us.The charity numbers are worrying though. Obviously Pakistan is not the sort of thing the poor here (they give most to charity appeals like that) can do again and again, what with this preposterous government's preposterous cuts cutting deeper daily. Wed 25 Aug 2010 20:12:21 GMT+1 Sindy 54. davmcnReally? How extraordinary! Wed 25 Aug 2010 19:55:25 GMT+1 skoubhie_dubh #39. Looternite wrote:"Are the problems over on the AM glass box something to do with the invasion of the Salmond Acolytes. :-)"You probably wouldn't believe me if I told you what happens up here.The North Britain political blog was last updated on 14 July 2010, exactly 6 weeks ago today. The last comment accepted before finally shutting down was on the 9 Aug 2010, more than 2 weeks ago.The blog, unlike here, is pre moderated. Make of that what you will, but does it not strike you as odd or maybe unfair that you get to keep your blog going and you also do not have to go through the thought police before posting, despite them both being managed by the same national company. Clearance time before the blog finally bit the dust was anything up to 3 hours for each post so not really conducive to ongoing conversations. We only ever had one page open at a time, unlike here with as many glass box structures as there is outside the Louvre, or on the Welsh site with Betsan who regularly ran 3 or 4 at the same time.We pay the same taxes for TV/Radio to the BBC and it is classed as a UK company. A vast majority of the posters here seem to be hell-bent on keeping the UK together so we are surely entitled to comment the same as others who have differing views - are we not?As for the BBC Masters coming back into A Level (I am guessing that this is your 5th or 6th year course). Do you not already do programming in lower classes? These were great machines and we have been programming with them in our courses from about 1989 for Tech Studies. You can control so many different robotic applications through different interfaces and they are virtually indestructable. We used the BBC Basic with 1st to 5th year and we used assembler code with 5th and 6th year. We have moved onto PBasic and PBasic Assembler now but the BBC language, although not very intuitive, was easy to write and output to any mechanisms we built such as washing machines, CD players, graphics plotters and fairground rides etc. Ah the good old days. Wed 25 Aug 2010 19:46:09 GMT+1 Lady_Sue JM@60: that's really uncalled for. Mrs. Cameron seems an absolutely delightful woman (whatever her husband's politics) and your comment is tacky at best. Wed 25 Aug 2010 18:53:50 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse This gypsy thing demonstrates that human rights legislation was all about making lawyers rich - if the HRA stood for anything human rights lawyers would have ensured that the gypsies would be all right.I'm saying that human rights law is a con not that I'd like them living near to where I live. Wed 25 Aug 2010 16:49:42 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse This post has been Removed Wed 25 Aug 2010 16:46:19 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse If that MP had a trouble constituent wouldn't he, shouldn't he, maintain a file on them, especially if their behaviour affected his staff? As long as he doesn't brief the Daily Mail, how would this be different.So this volunteer is a civil service employee on temporary transfer to the new body. Wed 25 Aug 2010 16:33:36 GMT+1 mittfh Re: Post 53 (MacIsBack)The current bunch of people who are meant to govern us seem to have this strange notion that for every public sector job lost, an equivalent private sector job will be created. They also believe that people benefits either (a) aren't looking for work, or (b) getting interviewed for jobs, being offered the post, but then are turning the offer down (as opposed to making sure they're not offered the post in the first place...) After all, according to their philosophy, the public sector drains money out of the economy, while the private sector pumps money into the economy.They also share the New Labour philosophy that everyone of working age who isn't in work wants to work, but just needs to be persuaded to start applying. Parents of young children should be persuaded to dump them in a nursery from 8am to 6pm every weekday so they can go out and earn money - preferably in the private sector. Wed 25 Aug 2010 16:32:33 GMT+1 davmcn LS 55, All of my 'repeat' posts have now appeared. Probably because I complained directly to PM by email. Wed 25 Aug 2010 16:28:00 GMT+1 MoC @53 - yes. I believe he is. In a very big way.Budget analysis - the ConDems have been outed. This only serves to confirm my absolute disgust each time I see or hear them.T. May seems to be out of the loop: wrong gender, wrong school, wrong shoes maybe? Wed 25 Aug 2010 16:11:37 GMT+1 Lady_Sue David, it always seems like that to us too. ;o) Wed 25 Aug 2010 15:52:28 GMT+1 davmcn It seems like I am repeating all of my previous posts. Wed 25 Aug 2010 15:39:09 GMT+1 U14589562 Nick Clegg 'slams' IFS report. He says 'it does not include the things we want to do to get people off benefit and into work'Like reducing demand for workers here by cutting demnd in the economy by cutting benefit spending overall, by decimating government building contracts (including schools), by not replacing people retiring from and leaving (esecially back office jobs) in the oublic sector and by driving down their incomes?Is Nick Clegg way out of his depth? Wed 25 Aug 2010 14:35:07 GMT+1 Phil Burt 38. mittfh"I wonder if, with the upcoming design changes, Beach 146 will survive beyond 2100 posts? :)"It shares that uncertainty with Homo (self-styled) sapiens. Wed 25 Aug 2010 14:22:10 GMT+1 IMOORE 50/Yes like all the other BBC messageboards.. JotheEditrice said above...."re glass box posting time- minor blog redesign on its way, I'll post fully then about what we're thinking and I'm sure you'll let us know what you're thinking...."But it seems that they don't know the difference between thinking and unilaterally doing. Wed 25 Aug 2010 14:14:23 GMT+1 Redheylin Slowly, remorselessly, the BBC PM blog disappeared into virtual nirvana: the fact that even this was done without consultation neatly proving its irrelevance. Wed 25 Aug 2010 13:50:28 GMT+1 U14589562 37'...I was among the ones who put him out to death...'PS Why is it on download systems from MeTube to Us7 it is (or appears to be) just Bob Dylan who only allows 30 secs of his time?PPS About Scotland. Since each side thinks the other is away with the fairies will both enjoy this, exactly one minute in, with my love and best wishes. Wed 25 Aug 2010 13:26:31 GMT+1 elcej Do you think they may open up the AM glass box again if I promise not to mention the name 'Scotland'? Wed 25 Aug 2010 13:02:22 GMT+1 IMOORE 43/ Political view means a difference in opinion and debate, that isn't bickering. Bickering is the argument over trivial and petty issues. Of course what is viewed as petty and trivial is a personal one. I don't think posts can be filtered out to what you personally view as important or not. Wed 25 Aug 2010 12:35:05 GMT+1 Anne P Looternite - see your BBC Micro and raise you a ZX81 :-) Wed 25 Aug 2010 12:26:11 GMT+1 Looternite 44. mittfhI have a BBC Master up in the loft, I wonder if it still works? Wed 25 Aug 2010 12:09:52 GMT+1 mittfh The BBC Micro - not dead yet!Perhaps the blog designers could do with studying that course...? Wed 25 Aug 2010 12:05:34 GMT+1 Lady_Sue Jo@32: did make me laugh. I hope Jatinder has recovered from all the attention. Did you get many complaints about Derry/Londonderry? Wouldn't surprise me. Hand them over to Sid with my compliments. I note the AM GB is "closed" - what a good idea. That should put a stop to on-going bickering.There have definitely been gremlins in the works today. Let's hope the redesign includes a reinstatement of 'Recent Comments'. Wed 25 Aug 2010 12:02:55 GMT+1 IMOORE 41/I believe the most likely cause for the failure of mechanical items is that someone fiddled around with it trying to improve it.It is the human element that is the proverbial spanner in the works. Wed 25 Aug 2010 11:52:12 GMT+1 Looternite 40. Alan_NNot me it was broken already, honest. Wed 25 Aug 2010 11:45:26 GMT+1 Alan_N OK. Who broke the AM box? Wed 25 Aug 2010 11:40:05 GMT+1 Looternite Are the problems over on the AM glass box something to do with the invasion of the Salmond Acolytes. :-) Wed 25 Aug 2010 11:14:40 GMT+1 mittfh Meanwhile, I've noticed that comments have disappeared from the AM box. Looks as though the blog redesign is already causing a few hiccups.I wonder if, with the upcoming design changes, Beach 146 will survive beyond 2100 posts? :) Wed 25 Aug 2010 11:01:23 GMT+1 mittfh Posts 27, 33, 35, 36.Are you who I think you are - i.e. the person previously known as a couple of dozen nicknames including Mac, PMLeader and ExpectingTheEnd? Wed 25 Aug 2010 10:59:18 GMT+1 U14589562 9th decile = second richest ten percent of all. Wed 25 Aug 2010 10:49:41 GMT+1 U14589562 Meanwhile: The ninth decile are losing less than the first decile, indeed than the bottom 6 deciles.'Always look on the bright side of life' when there is one. Wed 25 Aug 2010 10:47:30 GMT+1 IMOORE "minor blog redesign on its way "The removal of all posts would suggest its a fairly major redisgn. Wed 25 Aug 2010 10:40:51 GMT+1 U14589562 I'm a bit blank about today's AMGB.'How about you?@ Wed 25 Aug 2010 10:35:01 GMT+1 Joker Morning all,Apologies for the late post but I was overwhelmed by sitting next to Jatinder all day (Lady Sue, you shock me) and needed a long lie down. Glad you all appreciated Claudy coverage- we were very aware that telling such a complex story that raised so many questions would be difficult. Lady Sue and Sid (7, 11 , 24,31), thanks for sorting yourselves out re Londonderry/ Derry. Are you available for complaint answering? I could do with that kind of attention to detail.A bientot,Jop.s. re glass box posting time- minor blog redesign on its way, I'll post fully then about what we're thinking and I'm sure you'll let us know what you're thinking.... Wed 25 Aug 2010 10:04:16 GMT+1 Lady_Sue Sid@24: LOL! Have it your way. I stand corrected. Wed 25 Aug 2010 09:44:45 GMT+1 Redheylin 'Ere. What if they get a Druid for religion editor? Then they'd get a waterways editor thrown in. Wed 25 Aug 2010 02:59:57 GMT+1 artifus catwoman vs the internet: Tue 24 Aug 2010 22:36:08 GMT+1 Alan_N 25 - Good for them. I wish them every success in their chosen fields. Tue 24 Aug 2010 22:31:27 GMT+1 U14589562 This post has been Removed Tue 24 Aug 2010 21:31:22 GMT+1 Sindy 25. GillianianHurrah! We have gone too far down the qualifications route - useful up to a point, but not the be all and end all. Doing what you enjoy competently is great. Tue 24 Aug 2010 20:42:31 GMT+1 Gillianian nuclear_fool(17) My son and daughter have both benefitted by going down the vocational route as an alternative to taking A levels. My daughter is a qualified Nursery Nurse, and though she is happy to be working as one, her qualification also enables her to apply to university if ever she wishes to.My son is doing a level 3 sports course at the moment, which gives him a qualification to work in the sports industry or in coaching, but he intends to use the qualification as a route into university next year, if he can, given the competition there is for fewer places these days!Both of them have a passion for the fields in which they have specialised, and I think they are very fortunate to have found educational provision which allows them to follow their hearts without having to lower their expectations or sacrifice their intellectual potential. Tue 24 Aug 2010 20:28:25 GMT+1 Sindy 13. Lady SueNo - I'm right (again!).Eddie said "I'll read the first paragraph of the report." He then read the first paragraph of the report. The first sentence reads: "On the morning of Monday 31 July 1972 three car bombs exploded in the village of Claudy, a rural village located to the south-east of the City of Derry/Londonderry." That's what Eddie read. He did NOT write the report. Tue 24 Aug 2010 19:52:22 GMT+1 DiY 20I am with you on this. I would like one that doesn't go round blowing up and molesting children if possible please.21Spot on! Tue 24 Aug 2010 19:46:36 GMT+1 Lady_Sue FF and Horse: I did a wiki search and it seems there are historic and legal reasons for the use of either one name or the other depending on which particular part of was under discussion. I haven't checked to see whether the Beeb has fallen strictly within the above but noted the chap reporting from Derry referred to it simply as "Derry". When I was last near the area my son pointed out how the "London" bit on most of the signs had been graffiteed out. Horse, I liked your observation of the use of both annoying the two extremes being "the perfect line". :o) Tue 24 Aug 2010 19:45:51 GMT+1 annasee Could we try legalising drugs, while making the overt public practising of religion illegal? See how we get on, for, say, 6 months. At least it would change the news headlines for a bit... Tue 24 Aug 2010 19:31:33 GMT+1 elcej If we must have an 'religious editor', please make sure it is an agnostic.Personally, I'd prefer religion not to be forced down our necks Tue 24 Aug 2010 18:57:45 GMT+1 The Intermittent Horse Sorry - FF(16) obviously. Tue 24 Aug 2010 18:56:20 GMT+1 The Intermittent Horse FF (17) - That certainly is the guideline within BBC Northern Ireland and I've no reason to think it doesn't obtain nationally. Most moderates are perfectly happy with it and it annoys the two extremes to an equal measure - so it is probably the perfect line. Tue 24 Aug 2010 18:55:23 GMT+1 nuclear_fool It was a bit disappointing to hear the Headmaster of the Oasis Academy on tonight's programme continuing the lie that vocational qualifications and apprenticeships represent a second class or dumbed down target for our children. Personally I would rather has the apprenticeship and a vocational qualification behind me than the handful or worthless A levels or GCSEs he would prefer his students to get and take them into a university to study what?? During the 80s I left school at 16 to start an apprenticeship and study for BTEC vocational qualifications which have helped my in my engineering career, and subsequently stood me in good stead to go on to get an engineering degree and MBA.When are people going to see the benefit in teaching people real skills to equip them for real life professions and jobs rather than simply process them through the system and equipping them with ever increasing number of worthless qualifications.An engineering apprenticeship and BTEC vocational qualifications will return far more -both in terms of earnings and enjoyment -than the bagful of useless GCSEs and A levels the headmaster is misguidedly steering his students towards. Tue 24 Aug 2010 18:08:01 GMT+1 Fearless Fred Lady Sue (7 & 13) I believe that it's part of the editorial guidelines of the Beeb to refer to that city as Londonderry in the introduction of the piece, and then shift to Derry for the piece itself. Because of the political sensitivity even now on both sides in Northern Ireland, this is an attempt to avoid allegations of bias. Of course, as your 7 shows, it doesn't always work. Tue 24 Aug 2010 18:02:20 GMT+1 Alan_N 13 - Or the professionally offended... (witness - the AM blog today) Tue 24 Aug 2010 17:55:39 GMT+1 PRID We all know that the Church(s) etc want a religious editor so that they can manipulate all the negative news that we hear about them. The games up chaps you've got away with it long enough. Tue 24 Aug 2010 17:37:23 GMT+1 Lady_Sue Sid@11, ah yes but Eddie probably wrote it.Sid@12, hopefully it is a deterrent to stop 'numpties' from droning on about their pet subjects. The words "English" and "Parliament" spring to mind. Tue 24 Aug 2010 17:33:41 GMT+1 Sindy I wonder if you could tell us what sort of thing counts as "confining our comments to the production of the programme." Tue 24 Aug 2010 17:30:32 GMT+1 Sindy 7. Lady SueThat wasn't Eddie being diplomatic - it was Eddie reading the report. (I believe.) Tue 24 Aug 2010 17:29:06 GMT+1 Sindy Not sure if this counts as a programme production point:The rugby player who's been in the news was not substituted for another player, but by another player. (I wouldn't normally mention it, but two newsreaders have made the same mistake two nights in a row*.)*which reminds me of Charlotte Green telling us about rail workers going on strike two Tuesdays in a row (rhymes with toe) - she meant row (rhymes with how) - but mercifully no one noticed. Tue 24 Aug 2010 17:28:05 GMT+1 Alan_N 7 - As its absence makes a political statement.Bit of a shame that you couldn't get Richard Dawkins on v the Bishop of Manchester. Just what the country nbeeds - more religion on the airwaves... Tue 24 Aug 2010 17:25:37 GMT+1 Sindy 2. LooterniteAgreed. (Also with newlach.) Tue 24 Aug 2010 17:23:11 GMT+1 Lady_Sue Actually newlach, you've reminded me... Eddie very diplomatically referred to Derry [stroke] Londonderry. Might I make a request to PM and the BBC in general to refer to Derry as Derry? The addition of 'London' is quite unnecessary and (IMHO) makes a political statement. Tue 24 Aug 2010 17:21:37 GMT+1 entreri100404 Listened to your coverage of the GCSE results this evening. You commented that, again, females outperformed males across the board. I just wanted to thank you for your in-depth, cutting-edge analysis into why this is. Oh no, wait. You didn't have any.Now try to convince me there wouldn't have been any analysis if the genders were reversed... Tue 24 Aug 2010 17:20:53 GMT+1 newlach You did a very good job on the Claudy bombing story. Nothing surprises me about the Catholic Church any more - cover-ups with paedophile priests and now a suspected bomber and murderer. Tue 24 Aug 2010 17:15:35 GMT+1 Lady_Sue Agree with Sid - a good, varied, interesting programme with just enough information on each item. I do wish you'd return to putting the PM Glass Box up while the programme is on air though. Much more efficient (and satisfying) to hit the computer while an item is being discussed or someone is being interviewed - otherwise, after the programme, RL gets in the way of making comments and the impulse to do so goes "past its 'Sell By' date". The American woman's comment about preparing their "soldier heroes" was a bit scary.Jatinder is a bit of a heart-throb. Move over Jo! Tue 24 Aug 2010 17:14:46 GMT+1 curiousman I think you 'Autotuned' the sound of Big Ben just before the 6 o'clock news this evening. But then I'm no musician. Tue 24 Aug 2010 17:12:33 GMT+1 Looternite Your coverage of the Claudy report was first class. Tue 24 Aug 2010 17:11:21 GMT+1 Sindy A good prog tonight, thank you. May I quote from another thread?"The vapid notion put forward by the bishop that a religious affairs editor might help us to put the terrorist activities of an RC priest into context is an insult to PM listeners and to the families of those who died in Claudy." Tue 24 Aug 2010 17:08:02 GMT+1