Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml en-gb 30 Wed 20 Aug 2014 06:59:27 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml jonnie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=99#comment138 Lepus, jonathan, The fact is that speed camera's cost a lot and aren't bringing in revenue anymore. People either know where they are or have Sat Nav units that tell them.....All been largely a waste of time, so after all we will revert back to Traffic cops with radar guns... Tue 27 Jul 2010 00:17:21 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=98#comment137 Jonathanmorse @ 137You shouldn't doubt my cleverness. Even ETE says I'm right. And don't forget, I'm the one who helped you with this problem:"It says at the beginning that you don't take much notice after 11.00 am,I hadn't noticed that before yesterday, I'm not sure you take much notice anyway but you did react to the jokes yesterday and start a new blog on Ian Tomlinson late in the afternoon." Mon 26 Jul 2010 21:26:20 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=97#comment136 133 This from somebody so clever he's been duped by the Tories, if not by Nick Clegg.Then again, to quote Terry Nation's Blake's 7, you can't betray a believer, only mislead him. But should someone masquerading as a scientist be a believer? Mon 26 Jul 2010 21:06:16 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=97#comment135 83 can't we see speed cameras as a tax on stupidity, or worse, a tax on those who don't look where they are going, and double the fines to contribute to the national debt? How do people not see the big yellow boxes or the white lines painted on the roads that the things need to work? Mon 26 Jul 2010 20:15:30 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=96#comment134 110 Einstein said that is a body had an escape velocity of light speed it would be like a black hole in space but I believe nobody claimed that it was possible. The forces that keep atoms apart being too great for a mass dense enough to be able to become a black hole to exist. Then somebody used a black hole to solve a problem with galaxies. No one has ever proved they exist but they need to to get astronomers out of a problem. Except that this problem has turned up elsewhere where we know there's no blackhole - here, where old space probes aren't where they're supposed to be. Clearly our theory of gravity is wrong, the one thing in the universe that's linear turns out not to be. Of course it would mean dropping a lot of cherished theories. So we stick with blackholes. Because we're believers, not scientists.So why is the cause of mass something you can't find, something that can only exist for fractions of a second after a LH Collision? Does mass no longer exist. It may be that I can no longer write on my keyboard, I seem to be massless, weightless ... Mon 26 Jul 2010 19:58:37 GMT+1 artifus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=95#comment133 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sciencehttp://xkcd.com/386/ Mon 26 Jul 2010 19:57:17 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=94#comment132 I don't like people who parade their ignorance as open-mindedness. Mon 26 Jul 2010 19:51:07 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=94#comment131 122.I like science, I just don't like certain self believing scientists who remind me of the high priests of religion, unable to see the flaws in their own belief systems. Some of them seem to end up here.If you don't have the capacity to accept that you might be wrong you're probably a believer not a scientist. Even if scientist is what it says on your payslip or latest book.I don't like people who criticise other believers when that is what they are also. Mon 26 Jul 2010 19:46:12 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=93#comment130 CERN spends a lot of its money on British scientists and scientific kit, so we're a net benefactor.Various corporate bodies were trying to come up with something like the internet, probably a mainframe based facility. BT had one. Then CERN gave away free software for their WWW.If BT had been successful it would probably be like cloud computing but no computer viruses or need for Firewalls, etc. Mon 26 Jul 2010 19:40:13 GMT+1 artifus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=92#comment129 (and, no, i'm not calling you shirley!) Mon 26 Jul 2010 18:27:59 GMT+1 artifus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=92#comment128 cern being privately funded may have similar potential consequences regarding whatever discoveries or knowledge that may or may not come from the project. surely such knowledge should be open to the world and all of humanity for our benefit, or otherwise, and as such should be funded by the governments of the world who represent its people? Mon 26 Jul 2010 18:25:24 GMT+1 artifus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=91#comment127 that is if you were allowed to access it or even have knowledge of it's existence. Mon 26 Jul 2010 18:17:29 GMT+1 artifus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=90#comment126 126 - yes someone else may well have come up with the idea - probably a corporate entity which would have patented it and sought financial profit from it. how much more would this discussion cost you to partake in then? Mon 26 Jul 2010 18:14:17 GMT+1 elcej http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=89#comment125 If Tim Berners Lee at CERN hadn't come up with the idea of web browsers... are we really supposed to believe no one else on the planet wouldn't have thought of it? I think CERN have to come up with a better spin off than that in order to justify the enormous cost. Mon 26 Jul 2010 18:03:55 GMT+1 Alan_N http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=89#comment124 Quite right - you would need to back them. Mon 26 Jul 2010 17:52:23 GMT+1 The Stainless Steel Cat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=88#comment123 Phil (123):I *think* "splice" would mean repair it. "Striking" the mizzen would be to lower the mizzen sail quickly.See, my puns make perfect sense, except lowering a non-main sail probably has nothing to do with stopping a ship quickly to recover a drowning hypothetical sub-atomic particle... Mon 26 Jul 2010 17:45:35 GMT+1 Phil Burt http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=87#comment122 Don't you mean, "Splice the meson!" Mon 26 Jul 2010 17:37:12 GMT+1 The Stainless Steel Cat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=87#comment121 Jonathan (118):It wasn't *that* difficult to find stuff pre-web. Many of us found Gopher perfectly useful....new taxpayer funded toy...You know, I get the impression from many of your posts that you're not too impressed with science. Why is that?...Higgs Bosun."Aaarrr, Cap'n, Bosun Higgs has been swept overboard by a giant wave/particle superposition!""Strike the meson, and man the Bethes!" Mon 26 Jul 2010 17:33:06 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=86#comment120 118. jonathanmorse"Supposedly""The Higgs boson is often referred to as "the God particle" by the media, after the title of Leon Lederman's book, The God Particle: If the Universe Is the Answer, What Is the Question?." Mon 26 Jul 2010 17:29:59 GMT+1 artifus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=85#comment119 118 - it is my very limited understanding of the project that it will be equally relevant to scientific understanding of our universe if it is not found. that's kind of how science works. Mon 26 Jul 2010 17:25:00 GMT+1 Phil Burt http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=84#comment118 118. jonathanmorse"The real achievement was the browser"Mosaic, which gave birth to Mozilla, Gates & Co. having failed to see the possibilities (until there was something worth stealing), but eventually coming up with Internet Exploder.... Mon 26 Jul 2010 17:18:58 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=84#comment117 108 The internet developed out of a cold war project, but finding anything was difficult. The real achievement was the browser, the computer program that lets you access it. The WWW is merely a common address system that allows you to easily access pages.Presumably they want this new taxpayer funded toy because they know the LHC won't find the Higgs Bosun.Supposedly it's called the God Particle because Higgs called it the Goddamn particle because he couldn't find it. Fred Hoyle said that when they couldn't make an equation work they invented a new particle. It has to stop somewhere. Mon 26 Jul 2010 17:14:15 GMT+1 Phil Burt http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=83#comment116 Success has many fathers, failure is a bastard. Mon 26 Jul 2010 17:12:23 GMT+1 Alan_N http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=82#comment115 My education continues - many thanks. Mon 26 Jul 2010 17:11:28 GMT+1 The Stainless Steel Cat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=82#comment114 Alan_N (108):The internet grew out of Arpanet, the military/academic network, yes, but the web != the internet.The web grew out of Tim Berners-Lee's project at CERN to distribute information my merging hypertext with a network protocol - that became the world wide web.E-mail, FTP, USENET etc are all parts of the Internet that aren't "the web". Mon 26 Jul 2010 17:09:36 GMT+1 artifus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=81#comment113 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Berners-Leethanks frances o Mon 26 Jul 2010 17:09:26 GMT+1 needsanewnickname http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=80#comment112 Tim Berners Lee?(I can't remember if he's hyphenated) Mon 26 Jul 2010 17:06:03 GMT+1 artifus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=79#comment111 107 - i think it was one guy who 'invented' the www and decided to give it to the world rather than profit from it personally. he now spends his time traveling the third world showing those in developing countries how it may be used to educate and empower themselves. i forget the name but there was a bbc 4 doc not so long ago. Mon 26 Jul 2010 17:04:30 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=79#comment110 105 Perhaps we will have to replace GMT with New York Time. Mon 26 Jul 2010 17:02:42 GMT+1 The Stainless Steel Cat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=78#comment109 Jonathan (107):What better system do you have in mind, or is this another unsubstantiated offering from the same stable as "black holes are daft"? Mon 26 Jul 2010 17:00:48 GMT+1 Lepus_Madidus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=77#comment108 102, I got fed up with Senator Kirsten last week when she was going on about the war against terrorism...The US funding Bin Laden when he was fighting the Russians in Afghanistan, the funding that the IRA got from Americans.....Perhaps the RoW should team up and invade the US? I suspect the Mexicans and Canadians could be up for it. Mon 26 Jul 2010 17:00:24 GMT+1 Alan_N http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=76#comment107 I thought the web was a spin off from a defence project in the US. Mon 26 Jul 2010 16:59:58 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=76#comment106 CERN may have given us the World Wide Web but only because they gave it away free, otherwise we'd have a better system from someone else. Mon 26 Jul 2010 16:59:07 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=75#comment105 Of course Americans didn't allow the Palestinians their choice of government. It may be that any empire, as America now is, don't confer their rights on others, in our empire we attacked those who stood up for their rights against British entrepreneurs. The French got democracy for themselves but did not give it to their colonies, the Turks go on about freedom from Austria but don't give it to the Kurds.I wood like to hear that interview again, I would like to believe I heard it wrong. Then again, the American's have got our Prime Minister believing they won WWTwo for us. Mon 26 Jul 2010 16:57:51 GMT+1 Alan_N http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=74#comment104 Cat, Jonathan,You forget that America is the centre of the world and the rest of us revolve around them... Mon 26 Jul 2010 16:54:27 GMT+1 Lepus_Madidus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=74#comment103 'Hug a Hoodie'? 'Shoot a Hoodie'? Mon 26 Jul 2010 16:50:49 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=73#comment102 Did I just hear some American accuse us of dishonesty, then say that they believed in innocent before proven guilty, which is why British politicians should be brought before the court of congress, whereas we don't, which is why our politicians aren't behaving like their lapdogs. Mon 26 Jul 2010 16:47:10 GMT+1 The Stainless Steel Cat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=72#comment101 Wow. Blood's boiling after hearing that last American speaker.Totally oblivious to the fact that the UK Justice Minister has absolutely nothing to do with decisions made under Scots Law, he then insults English Law by saying the most fundamental principle - innocent until proven guilty applies in America but not England?!?!? Mon 26 Jul 2010 16:42:34 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=71#comment100 When you speak to American politicians about BP can't you raise the point that they have elections coming up and that many of us wonder if their interest in this has more to do with that than justice, especially as the American Tea Parties don't like the way these politicians are cavalier with their tax dollars. Mon 26 Jul 2010 16:42:09 GMT+1 Lepus_Madidus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=71#comment99 What's the differnece between BP doing deals in Libya and the contracts awarded to US Co.s for the reconstruction of Iraq? Mon 26 Jul 2010 16:38:16 GMT+1 Alan_N http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=70#comment98 Does anyone know how much the subsidy for the opera and ballet are? Just curious. Mon 26 Jul 2010 16:36:30 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=69#comment97 I thought the Large Hadron Collider was something that collided large hadrons not a large collider of hadrons. Mon 26 Jul 2010 16:34:52 GMT+1 Lepus_Madidus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=69#comment96 The EU control freaks are OK because they're white?£10BN fighing in Iraq. £10BN fighting in Afghanistan. What's in the war chest to free us from the EU nosey neighbours? Mon 26 Jul 2010 16:24:40 GMT+1 Lepus_Madidus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=68#comment95 Control freak taliban bad and undemocratic, EU control freaks are good and democratic? Mon 26 Jul 2010 16:19:12 GMT+1 Lepus_Madidus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=67#comment94 We give to aid to Pakistan. How many British deaths can be laid at the door of the ISI? Mon 26 Jul 2010 16:17:02 GMT+1 Lepus_Madidus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=66#comment93 The British military are employed by us, or queen and country. They're there protecting our freedoms to be spied upon by other EU countries at our expense. Why shouldn't we know what's going on? Mon 26 Jul 2010 16:12:09 GMT+1 Lepus_Madidus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=66#comment92 The consequences of £10BN spent invading Iraq and £10BN in Afghanistan is:http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/news/Base-close-save-surface-ships/article-2454217-detail/article.htmlJobs don't help reduce the poverty gap and reduce Labour's 'outlawed' child pverty? Mon 26 Jul 2010 16:08:41 GMT+1 mittfh http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=65#comment91 Re: surveillance by other EU countries.What's the attitude towards this in continental Europe? Are they also kicking up a fuss, or is it only us? Mon 26 Jul 2010 15:57:38 GMT+1 artifus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=64#comment90 therefore undermining whatever authority they seek to hold over us. Mon 26 Jul 2010 15:38:54 GMT+1 artifus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=64#comment89 my point being, it's dishonest, deceitful and disrespects our intelligence. Mon 26 Jul 2010 15:34:07 GMT+1 artifus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=63#comment88 88 - maybe they ought to stop using the word, then. Mon 26 Jul 2010 15:30:04 GMT+1 Alan_N http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=62#comment87 87 - Transparency regardless of the consequences? Mon 26 Jul 2010 15:25:43 GMT+1 artifus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=61#comment86 yay! to wikileaks for demonstrating to the governments of the world exactly what is meant by this word 'transparency' we've all heard so much about recently. now, if we can just suss out this 'accountability'... Mon 26 Jul 2010 15:24:18 GMT+1 Lepus_Madidus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=61#comment85 This post has been Removed Mon 26 Jul 2010 15:19:37 GMT+1 The Intermittent Horse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=60#comment84 mittfh (80) - One man's pigeon is another man's music critic. Mon 26 Jul 2010 15:18:43 GMT+1 Lepus_Madidus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=59#comment83 Perhaps Wikileaks could unearth the research done by Dr. Jeremy Broughton, commissioned at our expense by the DoT? Mon 26 Jul 2010 15:17:18 GMT+1 Lepus_Madidus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=58#comment82 35, Speed Cameras? Yesterday's BH with that former Top Cop Blair, not the war criminal one, a relative of that young Kinsella chap killed by teenage violence in London and discussion of nobody being found responsible for the death of Ian Tomlinson and police officer Rathband blinded by Raoul 'the legend' Moat.They touched upon speed cameras going at the end. Comments were that it seems a step back, another guest saying he didn't want to be driven into and killed.Where's the evidence that they reduce fatalities and accidents?There's no correlation between those fined by speed cameras and accidents is there?Perhaps the reason that accidents and deaths haven't drastically reduced inproportion to the greater number of speed cameras is the reduction or withdrawal of Traffic Police on our roads?The ignored report by Dr Jeremy Broughton concluded falling driving standards.How do speed cameras raise driving standards? How do speed cameras educate drivers?http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/court-fines-undermined-as-one-in-three-go-unpaid-654038.htmlMotorists pay up - real criminals don't?Motorists that pay up are just mugs?Does anybody think that driving standards have improved since the report by Dr. Jeremy Broughton? Mon 26 Jul 2010 15:15:45 GMT+1 Alan_N http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=58#comment81 78 - Actually, it's neither. It's whether a jury being able to arrive at a verdict beyond reasonable doubt in the face of conflicting evidence from expert witnesses is a reasonable prospect. Mon 26 Jul 2010 15:07:30 GMT+1 Lepus_Madidus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=57#comment80 80, Use Somebody? The Bucket? Mon 26 Jul 2010 15:06:07 GMT+1 mittfh http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=56#comment79 On the lighter side of news, how about this for the ultimate excuse for abandoning an outdoor concert early?http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-10758730 Mon 26 Jul 2010 15:02:07 GMT+1 Lepus_Madidus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=56#comment78 This post has been Removed Mon 26 Jul 2010 14:59:10 GMT+1 GotToTheEnd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=55#comment77 What is the 'fact' preventing a prosecution for manslaughter (at least) in Ian Tomlinson's case?Is the 'fact' the very opinion of the first pathologist or is it something the first pathologist did with the evidence that prevents final judgement on the cause of death?I think its the former.But then what is it about the evidence that caused the two latter pathologists to reject heart conditons as cause?What caused the first pathologist to change his view (from what?) to finding blood in the stomach being caused by heart conditions? Is that even possbile?Isn't the first pathologist someone who thought at one stage that the victim of a multiple killer had died of natural causes?Wasn't the first pathologist's judgement that Ian's death was 'consistent with natural causes'? Was that like saying someone repeatedly assaulted with a brick, had injuries consistent with a wall collapsing on them?Time for grief not Grieve. Mon 26 Jul 2010 14:58:54 GMT+1 Phil Burt http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=54#comment76 73. mittfh"Unfortunately, a side-effect of efficiency is that if you only need to employ two people to do the same work as three (or even five), what happens to those that are 'surplus to requirements'?"Is such "efficiency" a net benefit? E.G. Mon 26 Jul 2010 14:57:39 GMT+1 darkdesign http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=53#comment75 65. I have no idea what percentage of our manufacturing base declined in the 80s/90s compared to the last 13 years. A link would be welcome. One industry out of the many is not necessarily indicative of a trend as a whole so I'd say it does not make the best example, except insofar as it may be used politically. It did have previous rhetorical use and it was, of course, a major traditional industry. It does occur to me, though, that instead of a raw tonnage of sales, the value of of those sales in real terms to the British economy is a far more important figure for comparison.To return to the UK Film Council issue, if you don't like the idea of State assistance, how about State investment? A 400 per cent return to the economy as a whole seems quite good to me. Mon 26 Jul 2010 14:54:56 GMT+1 MoC http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=53#comment74 IMOORE@71 - for a start, you should understand that a decline in the share of GDP is NOT the same as an absolute decline. Please post a correction to your earlier statement. It is incorrect. Mon 26 Jul 2010 14:54:11 GMT+1 Lepus_Madidus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=52#comment73 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10759489I don't lament it.What's wrong with the truth?Nice come back from a Pakistani - 'It's wrong just like their intelligence on Saddam Hussein and the WMDs' :)So we're told how drones are to be used to help spot those placing IEDs in the roads, File on 4 had an operator of pilotless drones saying that he could tell whether people were carrying guns or farming tools from their gait, when surely their ability to spot bomb planters could be impacted on by hiring people to plant pretend dummy bombs, surely making any announcement about drones spotting IEDs planters a piece of propaganda for domestic consumption, but no mention of civilians killed by IED caused 'friendly fire.'So discussions about Burkhas, MPs, Liberty, Tatchell having a dig at Nick Griffin for being anti-semetic and anti-muslim, but no mention that muslim brothers in Afghanistan are blowing up fellow muslims with homemade IEDs in Afghanistan?Why is it more objectionable for a non-muslim to kill a muslim, than a muslim killing another muslim? Prejudicism plain and simple? Mon 26 Jul 2010 14:53:44 GMT+1 mittfh http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=51#comment72 Re: Post 65 (IMOORE)That may be the case, but to what extent was the change caused by New Labour policies and to what extent was the change caused by market conditions (e.g. other countries producing larger quantities of steel for a cheaper market price)?It's perhaps worth noting that Labour spent a fair amount of money trying to prop up a certain facility in Longbridge, Birmingham; only for the business to eventually fail anyway.And while the tonnage of steel may have been the same in 1997 as 1979, what happened to the 120,000 people no longer producing steel? Presumably some retired, some moved into other careers (perhaps after a period or retraining), while others failed to seek alternative employment. How many fell into each group?Unfortunately, a side-effect of efficiency is that if you only need to employ two people to do the same work as three (or even five), what happens to those that are 'surplus to requirements'? Or if the main industry growth sectors are in jobs at the bottom end of the socio-economic scale? If, for example, somebody trained and worked in a £25,000 career before being made redundant, what happens if the only jobs going locally are £6/hr part time temporary jobs as cleaner / shop assistant / fruit picker?One bold step the education and training sector has to take to produce people sufficiently skilled and qualified for the jobs market, is to anticipate what the jobs market will look like in 5, 10, 15 years time, and promote the skills and training that will be needed for 'in demand' careers then.A lot can change in 10 years - take the world of technology for example. Broadband wasn't anywhere near as widespread ten years ago, and for many the prospect of telecommuting was unachievable. Now the majority of urban areas have ADSL (although if you live more than about 1km of cable away from the exchange you'll be lucky to get more than 2Mbit/s - even if you're on an "up to 24Mbit/s" package), NTL has bought Telewest and Virgin (although adopting the Virgin brand - presumably because of widespread dissatisfaction at NThell's customer service) and rolled out cable broadband to several urban areas, and BT is currently rolling out FTTC. Rural areas still get a raw deal, but there's a chance they may be able to connect with a "3G card". Google was founded in 1998, but wasn't widely known until the new millenium; Facebook was launched in 2004, YouTube in 2005; Twitter in 2006; a certain BBC Blog in 2007; and a certain "virtual farmer" game in 2009. Mon 26 Jul 2010 14:52:44 GMT+1 Alan_N http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=51#comment71 70 - No need. We know how that happened. Mon 26 Jul 2010 14:52:29 GMT+1 IMOORE http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=50#comment70 67.Well may be the description I used. Under the Conservatives I believe manufacturing fell from around 25% to 22% of the economy. Under Labour it fell to 13%.Certainly you can say that as the economy grew faster in other areas the manufacturing slipped as a percentage, BUT, that doesn’t explain the deterioration in our trade deficit, with our current account going to a £50 billion deficit that was primarily due to an £80 billion trade deficit, and the loss of a million manufacturing jobs which were mostly absorbed by Brown increasing public sector pay rolls. Mon 26 Jul 2010 14:41:03 GMT+1 Lepus_Madidus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=49#comment69 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10748633They'll be a Ministry of Justice review into how justice was denied to Ian Tomlinson, his family then? Mon 26 Jul 2010 14:39:24 GMT+1 Lepus_Madidus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=48#comment68 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1297662/Jon-Venables-used-mobile-phone-1-200-pictures-womens-skirts.htmlIt's difficult to discuss Venables when we only have the half the facts?Perhaps he could get a job manning one of those security scanners at an airport? Mon 26 Jul 2010 14:37:14 GMT+1 Lepus_Madidus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=48#comment67 2, Listening to that woman on PM on Friday about Venables and his probabtion and rehabilitation you'd think that Venables was more a victim than Tomlinson the deceased newspaper vendor.Drunken violence and cocaine taking are relatively normal occurences?They're not to me, but then again I'm just a speed crazed boyracer endangering life and limb everytime I get behind the wheel. Mon 26 Jul 2010 14:34:49 GMT+1 MoC http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=47#comment66 IMOORE@ 65 - I suggest you check the actual numbers behind your comments. I have thoroughly investigated this issue before and a number of supposedly reputable sources have completely misinterpreted the data. Mon 26 Jul 2010 14:30:11 GMT+1 GotToTheEnd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=46#comment65 What are List X facilities? Mon 26 Jul 2010 14:15:52 GMT+1 IMOORE http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=46#comment64 61.It didn't actually, under Mrs Thatcher we lost 2 or 3% of our manufacturing base, and by 1997 our current account was in the black. Now under Labour we lost four times the amount of our manufacturing base and our current account was £50 billion in the red comprising an £80 billion trade deficit. An example is steel, from the rhetoric you might think that we lost much our steel production capacity under the Conservatives but the figures actually show we were producing the same tonnage in 1997 as we were in 1979. 15 million tons a year. Its just that while 150,000 people were producing 100 tons of steel per employee in 1979, there were 30,000 people producing 500 tons of steel per employee in 1997. Mon 26 Jul 2010 14:09:46 GMT+1 GotToTheEnd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=45#comment63 In the light of the Aghanistan war files and in the darkness of the 1500 files yet to be released, can the good folk of Wooton Basset be sure that the heros they lay to rest have unblemished records. Mon 26 Jul 2010 14:09:43 GMT+1 mittfh http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=44#comment62 Re: Post 47 (MadnessOfCrowds)Well, the Daily Wail was the paper that inspired the Oncological Ontology Project and Kill or Cure? - both of which were quests to track the paper's classification of inanimate objects into two types: those that cause cancer, and those that cure it. Of course, perhaps the most infamous example was Facebook 'causing' cancer. Then again, I've noticed their main rival (think of a synonym for 'fast') has also leapt on the bandwagon recently......and yesterday was advocating feeding babies on formula milk and real food asap to avoid allergies and intolerances in later life. I didn't read the article in detail, but it would be interesting to know who sponsored / funded the research... :) Mon 26 Jul 2010 14:06:36 GMT+1 The Intermittent Horse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=43#comment61 Sue (60 - Don't know why that didn't work. Here it is longhand.http://www.o2.co.uk/nuisanceIt's just O2's advice on the matter and I guess would be very similar to other service providers.The main thing is that the provider is not allowed to give out the caller's number to you. But they can give it to the police. I suspect the rules are pretty much the same down South. Mon 26 Jul 2010 13:53:06 GMT+1 darkdesign http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=43#comment60 57. Because we are desperate.Adopting a complete free-market approach was a short-cut to losing swathes of industry in the 80s. It hardly helps our prospect of overall export-led growth to do the same again.What constitutes State help, by the way? Direct grants, certainly. How about a nice, relaxed light-touch system of regulation that enabled the banking sector to plunge us into recession in the first place? I choose the former to stimulate private growth, rather than the latter view which ripped the heart out of it. That's why I voted Lib-Dem. Oh, wait... Mon 26 Jul 2010 13:49:48 GMT+1 Lady_Sue http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=42#comment59 fJd: thanks but I'll pass. Horse and jonnie: thanks both. Horse, I couldn't make that link work. jonnie, that explains it. I've seen the Gards about it and hoping they may be able to find out who it is. Most unpleasant - I sympathise with your situation. I am surprised the number can't be traced - perhaps you should speak to your local constabulary? Mon 26 Jul 2010 13:40:05 GMT+1 SirStarryKnight http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=41#comment58 IMOORE (#36). Agreed. Mon 26 Jul 2010 13:32:32 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=41#comment57 So the truth is coming out, back to selection."A leaked document shows the Government may scrap rules which ban them favouring children likely to do better in exams. It is part of plans to make academy schools efficient by cutting red tape."Article here: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/07/25/tories-sneak-in-selection-by-schools-115875-22438377/Whoops sorry Eddie, Daily Mirror link. Mon 26 Jul 2010 13:11:52 GMT+1 IMOORE http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=40#comment56 54.Why should one industry, arts, get help from the state when other industries don't? There are surely enough multimillionaire media/culture people around to help their own industry. Mon 26 Jul 2010 13:08:25 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=39#comment55 Must go and get some twine to hold up my trousers, no hang on I don't live in Cumbria so this "fashion" would seem out of place round here. Mon 26 Jul 2010 13:08:16 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=38#comment54 "We all know, in our hearts, that as long as there is deep poverty living systematically side by side with great riches, we all remain the poorer for it."David Cameron, Hugo Young Lecture, 10th November 2009 Mon 26 Jul 2010 13:01:53 GMT+1 darkdesign http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=38#comment53 Can you ask Jeremy Hunt why the UK Film Council is being axed? I understand it generates returns of £4 for every £1 it is granted. The UK desperately needs economic growth to stave off further recession. I just don't get it. Mon 26 Jul 2010 13:00:03 GMT+1 jonnie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=37#comment52 Today's PM Newsletter:- I'm wondering whether it should have come from Erileaks or Ericleaks? ------------------------------------------------------------------------Hello.As I type, the boss of Wikileaks is holding a news conference. We'll have more on that story. We're also keeping an eye on what the Home Secretary says this afternoon about how the police in England and Wales will be organised in future.We'll ask whether the Labour leadership race is becoming any clearer. We may well have something from Mexico too.Join me if you can at 5.Erileaks Mon 26 Jul 2010 12:58:19 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=36#comment51 41. funnyJoedunnI bet they could really tackle the deficit if they really did something about tax evasion by the rich.How does the size of the former compare to the size of the latter? I doubt if clamping down on tax evasion would make very much difference at all.And if they stopped paying universal benefits to well off people who don't need it.Agreed. I was slightly disconcerted to get £250 winter fuel allowance just because I'm over 60. And here's the difference between this bit and the bit above: collect £250 from 5 million people, every year, and that begins to make a difference. Mon 26 Jul 2010 12:50:05 GMT+1 jonnie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=35#comment50 Lady Sue 39.As regards the mobile phone numbers, unless a user is on contract with the Network, it's virtually free to buy a SIM from a supermarket and put it in any phone. You can buy used mobiles from Ebay for around £1. Providing the top-up on the Sim is done with cash and not credit or debit card (which is tracebale) at a top-up point the number is effectively totally anonymous.I have to say that my mobile number is dotted around the Net in a few places including FB but luckily have had no anonymous texts or nuisance calls - unlike the Hotel line which has attracted an old lady who spouts homophobic abuse at us on a regular basis from a witheld number and BT seem powerless to do anything about it.... Mon 26 Jul 2010 12:37:14 GMT+1 elcej http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=35#comment49 I love The Guardian. I really do but.....aren't they acting a bit like a drama queen today??A special team to kill or capture senior Taliban leaders??? What else do you do in war? Offer them chocolate biscuits?The insurgents have deadly surface to air missiles. Is there another kind? cuddly surface to air missiles perhaps? or irritating surface to air missiles? Mon 26 Jul 2010 12:30:39 GMT+1 MoC http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=34#comment48 Why are the ConDems so upset about the 'Brokeback' label - wasn't it a true love story? (I haven't seen the film so apologies if I misspeak!)Had to laugh at the "bric-a-brac not Brokeback" claim. Not even his granny could believe that one. Mon 26 Jul 2010 12:26:04 GMT+1 MoC http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=33#comment47 The amount of money available from cracking down on tax evasion and fraud is about 100 times that available from benefit fraud. But they won't go after that. We are all in this together? Mon 26 Jul 2010 12:19:49 GMT+1 MoC http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=33#comment46 mittfh@38 - there are people who are more informed than DailyWail science writers?Well, knock me down with a soft cushion! ;) Mon 26 Jul 2010 12:18:00 GMT+1 elcej http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=32#comment45 .... and another idea for discussion on housing.....Would it make sense to require landlords to get 'planning permission' to rent out a property? The buy to let booms just pushed up house prices making them unaffordable to many. Towns and villages in holiday-type places have totally changed because people are buying second homes. Just look at Salcombe in Devon. It's a ghost town in winter and local people have no chance when a 2bedroom apartment costs £250k.We already have a system where a 'change of use' application needs to be approved if changing a house from residential to office. If the same type of approval was required to change a house from owner-occupied to rented then the number of buy-to-lets could be regulated. [I've always thought it obscene that some people own two homes when others own none.]And finally (Cyril), place a cap of rents that may be charged. Perhaps it could be linked to council tax house bands.food for thought? Mon 26 Jul 2010 12:16:16 GMT+1 The Intermittent Horse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=31#comment44 Lady Sue (39) - I imagine that exactly the same regulations and laws for the use of landlines apply to the use of mobile phones. Nuisance/harassing calls should be reported to your provider. Mon 26 Jul 2010 12:04:20 GMT+1 elcej http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=30#comment43 41. Tax evasion. Yes. Very bad. Crack down on it and while you're at it, inheritance tax too. We all know the super rich don't pay inheritance tax. If you've got £500m, just give £499m to your kids and live for another 7 years and there's no tax to pay. [pls correct me if I'm wrong here].41. Universal benefits. I think you are right although.... a government could cancel out the effect of the rich receiving the benefits by, say, applying a 40% or 50% tax band for higher earners.... oh, they already have. Mon 26 Jul 2010 12:01:29 GMT+1 Phil Burt http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=30#comment42 Remember Bernie? The trustee recovering money for Madoff victims is preparing new lawsuits seeking to wrest funds from investors who also were duped by the Ponzi scheme. Irving Picard said he could wind up suing about half the estimated 2,000 individual investors he has called "net winners," who withdrew more than they invested.http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704719104575389141620473502.html;-) Mon 26 Jul 2010 11:51:29 GMT+1 funnyJoedunn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=29#comment41 Lady Sue, You can have my mobile number if you like? Mon 26 Jul 2010 11:50:56 GMT+1 funnyJoedunn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=28#comment40 No one sees fit to comment on my aspersions over tax evasion/fraud and the payments of universal benefits to those who do not have need of them.Mmm...Your all in this together then?Lady sue, really old girl. Mon 26 Jul 2010 11:49:49 GMT+1 funnyJoedunn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/07/am_glass_box_150.shtml?page=28#comment39 "Capping housing benefit at £2000 a month doesn't seem too bad to me. That's a lot of money. While I would prefer to see a mix of communities in inner London I'm not sure it's practical".Why quote this totally exceptional example,(I'd Like to see evidence of how wide spread this figure is)when for the vast majority of the country if is capped at around £400 per month. This being based on the needs of one person as only needing one room in a shared house.The London centric problems of housing have probably always been there but started to become much worse when thatcher propagandised that we all should be obsessed with owning property. this political ideology and dogma was carried through by new labour, scared of losing middle England. Cause middle England had been instilled with the selfishness of only looking after 'me and my own' that pervaded through the 80s on up. It became an ok political outlook to accept that only the strong should survive and that if you too work hard enough you too could have what we have. However, this assumed that we all live on a level playing field where we all have the same opportunities and access to wealth and aspiration. The part rent/part buy schemes are a con too. because you end up paying out the same as if you had taken out a full mortgage. the reason why people are forced into rent/buy schemes is because banks will not give them a full mortgage for their income. Yet these banks must know these clients will inevitably be pay out as much each month equivalent to taking out a full mortgage that the banks refuse to give them. The answer is more council housing. however, this has become a political taboo as most of of middle England still hold to the political propaganda that says the government should not be spending money on people they deem being below them. Yes, not all of them belive this but succesive governments seem content to uphold this lack of housing due to losing votes. deluded in my opinion. there will be no new council housing as long as this political delusion exists. 1948 and all that is what I say. Mon 26 Jul 2010 11:43:16 GMT+1