Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml en-gb 30 Sat 30 Aug 2014 19:17:56 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml The Intermittent Horse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=97#comment34 Tufty Ears (33)- That should have been. Thu 03 Jun 2010 22:02:22 GMT+1 The Intermittent Horse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=94#comment33 Tufty Ears (32) - Ah, come on! Even I understood Lady Sue's (32). Exhale a few times. Thu 03 Jun 2010 22:01:16 GMT+1 U14450706 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=91#comment32 32. Lady SueHuh? Thu 03 Jun 2010 17:27:25 GMT+1 Lady_Sue http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=88#comment31 Tufty/Jim/Cash@29: could this be the reason for the multiple personalities? Thu 03 Jun 2010 17:25:58 GMT+1 U14450706 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=85#comment30 "His last meal is still visible through the window..."For God's sake! Thu 03 Jun 2010 17:10:03 GMT+1 newlach http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=82#comment29 How long did it take for the police to locate the body of the gunman from the time they were notified of the first shooting? Interesting point about the conviction for theft and the claim of a wrangle over family property. A person convicted of theft might be more likely to perceive himself as being sold short, so to speak. I am assuming the theft involved something of value. It might have been something else altogether - but would a sane man steal something of no value? No evidence of mental health. Thu 03 Jun 2010 16:46:29 GMT+1 U14450706 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=80#comment28 28. Nullius123"It can't be right that owning a cannabis plant is the legal equivalent of owning an unlicensed gun."Too right!(inhales) Thu 03 Jun 2010 16:46:11 GMT+1 Nullius123 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=77#comment27 We might note the discrepancy between the rush to ban mephedrone on a rumour that it killed two men (it didn't), and the studied calls for patience and reflection after this spree killing before looking at the gun laws.We should always be cautious about changing laws. Doubly so when feelings are running high.But the law should also be consistent: guns kill lots of people every year; it is quite right that owners of guns should have to submit to all sorts of checks and requirements. Cannabis kills zero people per year. It can't be right that owning a cannabis plant is the legal equivalent of owning an unlicensed gun. Thu 03 Jun 2010 16:30:42 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=74#comment26 We'd been watching Luther the night before. That series is particularly violent, and you do wonder whether it is really necessary to resort to such extremes just to make a programme 'entertaining'. Thu 03 Jun 2010 15:31:52 GMT+1 Lady_Sue http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=71#comment25 syd@20: there was similarly an afternoon play on R4 today about senseless killing. Bad timing. Thu 03 Jun 2010 15:18:52 GMT+1 U14450706 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=68#comment24 From Kenneth Roy"In another Cumbrian town this weekend, the Appleby horse fair begins. In the newspapers a few weeks ago, there was a great discussion about whether the local police would be armed for the occasion. There was a general expectation that they would be indeed be carrying guns to deal with any trouble from the gypsies. This morning, that feels more than a little ironical." Thu 03 Jun 2010 15:03:52 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=65#comment23 The victims have been named in the local paper:http://www.whitehaven-news.co.uk/cumbria-shootings-the-victims-named-1.715720?referrerPath=cumbrian-gunman-derrick-bird-killed-12-and-injured-25-in-shooting-1.715529There is also a link to an online book of condolences. Thu 03 Jun 2010 14:42:48 GMT+1 funnyJoedunn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=62#comment22 Tufty (21)In which case I see no reason why sports guns cannot be left at their place of use or even kept at a police station whilst not in use?Like I say - LAX.However, this is irrelevant to the issue in question.I have rested my case too. Thu 03 Jun 2010 14:30:13 GMT+1 Sid http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=60#comment21 This post has been Removed Thu 03 Jun 2010 14:23:37 GMT+1 U14450706 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=57#comment20 19. funnyJoedunn"(except perhaps sport guns and the like)."I rest my case. Not a "need" but a "legitimate" use. Although it isn't really 'sport' if the game is unarmed.;-) Thu 03 Jun 2010 14:08:27 GMT+1 syd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=54#comment19 I find it unbelievable that the BBC shows a film The Matador about a hitman shooting women in the face on the same day as the West Cumbrian incident. This film tried to make fun of a disgusting subject and was remorseless in its lack of morality and consequences.And I have just turned off the Radio 4 play when a character said, ' I will shoot you in the face!' This shows gross insensitivity by the BBC to the sufferers in an actual horrific incident, following yesterday's outstanding news coverage. The programme controllers should be sacked. I have made a formal complaint to the BBC and hope that they have been swamped with similar complaints. I would welcome Eddie questioning the controllers as to why these programmes were not rescheduled, indeed scrapped! Thu 03 Jun 2010 14:02:26 GMT+1 funnyJoedunn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=51#comment18 Tufty (18)You say;"need" doesn't come into it. A firearm certificate can be issued to a "suitable" person who can demonstrate a "legitimate" use, e.g. port, marksmanship club, vermin control, etc". You have, in my opinion, proved my point that the laws on owning (and presumably using) an implement/tool/weapon specifically designed to 'KILL' does not require the the person owning such lethality to have a need for it. Are you sure about this? If this is true then the law is lax.As regards a motor vehicle that was not designed to be a specific lethal weapon or any intention of such. I fail to see how your analogy fits? It is irrelevant. No Guns and their purpose have no other analogy in a civilised society. They are designed for one purpose only, (except perhaps sport guns and the like).If you have on specific need for one why have it? Thu 03 Jun 2010 13:45:07 GMT+1 U14450706 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=48#comment17 16. funnyJoedunn"It also didn't explain the rifle licence and dosen't explain why a Taxi driver needs them.""need" doesn't come into it. A firearm certificate can be issued to a "suitable" person who can demonstrate a "legitimate" use, e.g. port, marksmanship club, vermin control, etc. As noted, the requirements are far from lax. It may be that in some constabulary areas, the procedures are less rigorous than they might be, but in my own area, they are stringently adhered to, as I can personally bear witness.I also note that in your "three major episodes", only the most recent involved a shotgun.All this is not to minimise the seriousness of the recent episode, but to note its obvious exceptional nature. More than a million shotguns are in use with only very rare outrages. The exact same could be said of intentional (or unintentional) use of automobiles as offensive weapons.Perspective is in order. Thu 03 Jun 2010 13:31:44 GMT+1 funnyJoedunn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=45#comment16 My comment about so called 'normal' people and guns was a dig at the social steriotype of the 'loner'/ner-do-well. that the media like to hype up in such incidents. You know, make the perpetrators of such things seem so far removed from us as people that, in effect, making such things more palatable to acknowledge at knowing the perpetrators are not one of 'us'?Also its interesting that this dosen't seem to be immediately happening in this case. Thu 03 Jun 2010 13:24:19 GMT+1 funnyJoedunn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=42#comment15 Tufty (Various)The Ex chief constable of Cumbria has described the shotgun licence laws as lax this morning and should be looked at again. It also didn't explain the rifle licence and dosen't explain why a Taxi driver needs them.13. At 1:00pm on 03 Jun 2010, Tufty Ears wrote:"People driving legally held automobiles also kill folk, and sometimes intentionally"I fail to see the connection? I have no evidence of a driver committing such devastating lethal acts of criminal intent with a vehicle in this country? Thu 03 Jun 2010 13:17:51 GMT+1 U14450706 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=40#comment14 12. funnyJoedunn"There are around 1,200,000 legally held shot guns in Britain....three major incidents over three separate decades "So pretty good performance from the control systems, I reckon.No systems are perfect. Thu 03 Jun 2010 12:52:27 GMT+1 U14450706 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=37#comment13 The reason so few applications are refused may well be due to the rather stringent application process, which requires two sworn recommendations from "prominent" persons, e.g. JPs, etc. It is no small matter to ask someone to go to the considerable effort to prepare such a reference. Believe me. Then there is usually a police inspection of the storage arrangements for said firearms, and the requirements for said storage are strict.One must also satisfy the police that one has a legitimate use for the firearm, including, for example, a place and the appropriate landowners' permission.In the light of this it isn't particularly surprising that most applications eventually succeed. Thu 03 Jun 2010 12:07:17 GMT+1 U14450706 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=34#comment12 People driving legally held automobiles also kill folk, and sometimes intentionally. Thu 03 Jun 2010 12:00:38 GMT+1 funnyJoedunn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=31#comment11 Ok Might be a bit early for this but, with all the stringent laws on 'hand guns' shot guns and the like are still fairly easy to get hold of.There are around 1,200,000 legally held shot guns in Britain. Only 2 percent of requests for a shot gun licenses are refused. 98 percent approved. There may be a need to own such things in the course of your work. But why would a Taxi driver need to own a rifle and a shot gun and goodness knows what other weapons.Is it not interesting also that the three major incidents over three separate decades have all occurred due to legally held weapons by so called 'normal' community members. Thu 03 Jun 2010 11:37:30 GMT+1 Anne P http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=28#comment10 9 - sadly if that is the case there's nothing new about it - Cain and Abel, Jacob and Esau. Thu 03 Jun 2010 10:33:37 GMT+1 AmbassadorDelenn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=25#comment9 Eddie, thanks as ever to you and your team for the sensitive, calm and downright heartbreaking coverage yesterday evening. I grew up in Whitehaven, went to school in Egremont and have friends across the area involved (sadly I think I also knew one of the dead) and am just so sad for my old community. I was back up there visiting just a few weeks ago and walked along Duke Street in the sun just as, no doubt, people were doing yesterday morning.Thanks again for doing a great job - we can always rely on you and your team. Thu 03 Jun 2010 08:02:41 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=22#comment8 If, as is being reported as a possibility, this was all triggered by a dispute over a will, and if, as reported, one of the victims was Mr. Bird's twin brother, one does truly wonder what this world is coming to. Thu 03 Jun 2010 07:03:15 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=20#comment7 There are no words that can express the awfulness of this event or of the shock and pain that must be felt within these communities and by the relatives of the victims. Wed 02 Jun 2010 18:09:24 GMT+1 Alan_N http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=17#comment6 I switched on late and part way through the recordings from the local radio stations. I had no idea what had happened and listened with growing horror as I put the pieces together. Awful.Well handled Eddie and the team. It's times like these when you show your true ability. Wed 02 Jun 2010 18:03:52 GMT+1 U14450706 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=14#comment5 Sad events at home and abroad. I second Ellis' remarks and add my sympathies for all affected folk.;-( Wed 02 Jun 2010 17:56:57 GMT+1 DiY http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=11#comment4 My thoughts are with the family and friends of those killed and injured in West Cumbria, along with the members of our Armed Forces that have also suffered today whilst serving overseas on a difficult mission. Wed 02 Jun 2010 17:37:59 GMT+1 Lady_Sue http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=8#comment3 Absolutely awful happenings in Cumbria but thank you PM for your full and sensitive coverage which was quite compelling. Extraordinary interviews with witnesses, which enabled me to imagine what they had been through vividly and to empathise in some way. Desperate tragedy. So sorry for all those who have lost family and friends. Wed 02 Jun 2010 17:13:55 GMT+1 Ellis P Otter http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=5#comment2 May I extend my heartfelt sympathy to all those in West Cumbria who have suffered more than most of us in recent months. Even as I type the sentence looks insincere and ineffectual but it's not.May I ask Eddie, did you warn you interviewees that you were going to ask how they were doing? I hope so and I expect you did knowing that you are a sensitive and excellent presenter. Wed 02 Jun 2010 17:08:36 GMT+1 newlach http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=2#comment1 "Sane rational people will behave in ways that are neither sane nor rational." Interesting point made by the criminologist. Must be a lot of pressure under the surface in these small face-to-face communities. Wed 02 Jun 2010 16:49:13 GMT+1 Patrick Too http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/06/the_cumbria_shootings.shtml?page=0#comment0 A brilliant montage there of BBC Cumbria - So sad that it came about through this tragedy. Thoughts and vibes going out to those who have lost a loved one. A lot of folk in North Lancashire call Cumbria their station too - because BBC Lancashire is a waste of the airwaves frankly. Wed 02 Jun 2010 16:42:37 GMT+1