Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml en-gb 30 Wed 06 May 2015 21:24:48 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=99#comment155 I wonder how Fidel Castro would rate? Thu 13 May 2010 08:42:55 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=98#comment154 Oi, Sid, less of the spittle, please! ;o) Thu 13 May 2010 08:40:43 GMT+1 Sid http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=98#comment153 BS - I think you'll find we're within spitting distance of each other! Oooops ... Thu 13 May 2010 08:30:25 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=97#comment152 Well, Sid, I trump you on the economic ;o) Thu 13 May 2010 08:25:03 GMT+1 Sid http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=96#comment151 economic: -6.62social: -7.79Further out than Mandela and the Dalai Lama ... Thu 13 May 2010 08:03:04 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=96#comment150 Interesting link, mittfh - though my own results swing me even further into Mandela/Dalai Lama territory. Which is fine by me! (economic -7.75; Moral - -5.54 since you ask). Thu 13 May 2010 07:41:41 GMT+1 MoC http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=95#comment149 @149, jm - I think there are lots of negative discrimination forces acting on them, including poor schools but also low expectations, a social context that keeps those expectations low.... etc. etc. Thu 13 May 2010 06:53:11 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=94#comment148 44 MoC Does the same apply to why the working classes do badly in education - it's not poor schools it's something else? Thu 13 May 2010 02:12:24 GMT+1 GotToTheEnd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=94#comment147 139And all I've gotta doIs thank you girl, thank you girlHave you heard this band?They are brilliant but need more appreciative fans.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bwLBdgndO8http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Brs8Mk7b2bEPS Love the bit in your linkSTV differs slightly depending on where in the world it is used.For elections to the Australian Senate, for example, most voters cast their vote for a party ticket 'above the line'. This distributes preferences according to a party's wishes and thus makes the Senate elections more like open-list PR.Don't tell S. On seond thoughts, of course, he should be told.BUT it also says :There is no need for tactical voting. 'Course it depends what 'need' means, but if it means 'there is no self advantage' in tactical voting, I fear that is wrong.We are obviously discussing voting systems where research into their logic is not as well known as it should be.In the link I give in 81, here above, there is a case of strategic voting under STV.My example, in 91, on the current FB, makes it clear to me that Wikipedia's claim that Hagenbach-Bischoff avoids such stratgic behaviour is clarly false. Equally my 108 on the current FB shows that STV can generate an absolute majority of seats for a particular view, whilst the winning candidate by pairwise comparison under majority voting doesn't get a seat. Why is the public information we are getting so dubious? Why for example does the ERS article not list downsides, as if there were none.Explanations include: 1. the formal subject proceding informally so that self appointed experts achieve reputation for across the board expertise including areas like the logic of the systems where their knowledge is weak.2. research, which is in fact work in progress, is used to give definitive accounts which can at best be highly provisional3. over-enthusiasm, 4. vested interest 5. inexperience6. naivityThe ERS with its scrupulous administration of elections and psephological analyis may be at fault in the first way and Wikipedia in the second and fifth.Those using ERS as a rhetorical support may be exhibiting any of 3, 4, 5 or 6.Thank you again Fifi. That link is a HUGE step forward. Thu 13 May 2010 00:16:54 GMT+1 MoC http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=93#comment146 Okay - trying again...and, btw, mods - I'm trying to be humorous not to be insulting. Satire it's called. Are MI5 clambering all over BBC boards tonight?Here we go...my cleaned up version of my earlier post:Wot? I've been modded for telling a story about an ex-Tory minister from my upcoming autobiography "My Shameful Years among coke-den orgiastic tax-fraud gun-totin animal-killing Tories"?It'll only help me to sell more copies. Wed 12 May 2010 21:06:50 GMT+1 MoC http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=92#comment145 This post has been Removed Wed 12 May 2010 20:39:57 GMT+1 Sid http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=92#comment144 Hurrah! A Lib Dem breakthrough! Wed 12 May 2010 19:51:32 GMT+1 Sid http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=91#comment143 Fifi @ 139: surely you must have read this by now ... A Fair Voting System At Last? Wed 12 May 2010 19:50:44 GMT+1 Cash Hughes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=91#comment142 139. Fifi"For those who, like me, feel they wouldn't be represented by Proportional Representation..."And you feel perfectly represented under the present system of course? Wed 12 May 2010 18:13:08 GMT+1 MoC http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=90#comment141 A propos earlier discussion on wimmin etc...Interesting to hear T. May telling Eddie that DaveBoy intends to have men compose at least 2/3 of his cabinet until the end of this parliament.If that's not Positive Discrimination, I don't know what is! Good interview, Eddie, btw - to the point. Wed 12 May 2010 18:12:29 GMT+1 Fearless Fred http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=89#comment140 jonathanmorse (137) Of course, you could always follow the standard travel advise that you take a photocopy of your passport photo page with you as well, kept in your suitcase/briefcase/backpack/etc. That way you have a readily checked copy that the local Consulate/Embassy can check within 24 hours with the UK before issuing a replacement. I was taught this some 25 years back. Haven't you been doing this? Wed 12 May 2010 17:59:01 GMT+1 MoC http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=89#comment139 This post has been Removed Wed 12 May 2010 17:51:18 GMT+1 Fifi http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=88#comment138 For those who, like me, feel they wouldn't be represented by Proportional Representation but are unsure what the other options might be...The Electoral Reform Society has produced this handy guide to why the Single Transferable Vote (STV isn't just a Scottish media channel!):http://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/article.php?id=48I hope that's helpful. Wed 12 May 2010 17:42:41 GMT+1 Redheylin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=87#comment137 133 "Cameron and Clegg can help bring about common sense policing?"L.M. Give them a chance, for goodness sake!They haven't even had time to make common sense illegal yet Wed 12 May 2010 17:38:03 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=87#comment136 79 The National Identity Register is what you need when you loose your passport abroad, unless the Ambassador accepts your case that you're British. So get rid of it and risk a few brave people conning british passports out of consular staff, or make sure you don't loose your passport abroad. Wed 12 May 2010 17:26:23 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=86#comment135 121. davmcnYes but he preferred Hitchin and Harpenden to you rough lot in St Albans. Wed 12 May 2010 17:24:04 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=85#comment134 105 Would you flog someone then give them a gun? Wed 12 May 2010 17:20:58 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=85#comment133 So what's the difference between what Milliband is now saying and what Brown said when he 'ran'? Wed 12 May 2010 17:19:19 GMT+1 Lepus_Madidus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=84#comment132 mittfh, 127 thank you for that :)Cameron and Clegg can help bring about common sense policing? Wed 12 May 2010 17:19:07 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=83#comment131 106 but without any power to change things, what can the public do? Wed 12 May 2010 17:18:01 GMT+1 Cash Hughes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=83#comment130 127. mittfh"What you need is the Political Compass!"Two dimensions is at least a (slight) improvement on one. Wed 12 May 2010 17:16:41 GMT+1 Redheylin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=82#comment129 This post has been Removed Wed 12 May 2010 17:15:39 GMT+1 Cash Hughes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=82#comment128 123. jonathanmorse"How many Scottish MP's do the Tories have?"One Wed 12 May 2010 17:14:09 GMT+1 GotToTheEnd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=81#comment127 Apparently now society ISN'T broken.Apparently that's 'cos the bloke who said it was has now got the job he wants.Sid Snot in reverse. Wed 12 May 2010 17:11:46 GMT+1 mittfh http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=80#comment126 Left? Right? How about factoring Authoritarian vs Libertarian into the mix?What you need is the Political Compass! (Most politicians of all flavours are in the Authoritarian Right sector)For reference, I took the test and came out as:Economic Left/Right: -7.12Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.95(i.e. Libertarian Left)...which is far closer to the Greens and Nelson Mandela than any of the current lot. Or George Orwell, George Monbiot, Noam Chomsky. Wed 12 May 2010 17:04:24 GMT+1 Lepus_Madidus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=80#comment125 http://www.mattwardman.com/blog/official-harassment-of-photographers-in-the-uk-i-have-a-little-list/What is the Cameron and Clegg stance on photographers? Wed 12 May 2010 17:00:01 GMT+1 Lepus_Madidus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=79#comment124 Labour's addiction to creating new legislation whilst being incapable of enforcing existing legislation is left wing or right wing? Wed 12 May 2010 16:57:31 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=78#comment123 Why can't we have a 'we admit Gordon Brown was the wrong choice for PM' candidate for labour leadership. Wed 12 May 2010 16:57:14 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=78#comment122 So what jobs did the libdems get: Deputy PM - non job, telling us why AV is proportional, someone to build more nuclear power stations, the guy who wanted to scrap the DTI now runs it, the chief cutter and a Scottish Secretary. How many Scottish MP's do the Tories have? Wed 12 May 2010 16:55:44 GMT+1 davmcn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=77#comment121 I remember when that Peter Lilley was MP for St Albans. He lived across the street from the pub I went to then and came in for a drink when an election was coming up. He seemed like a nice person to me. Wed 12 May 2010 16:51:45 GMT+1 davmcn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=76#comment120 The new Yes Prime Minister didn't sound very funny to me. Maybe the wrong actors.How long before the media tires or trying to tear the new government apart? I think it shows which party the BBC supported. Wed 12 May 2010 16:39:42 GMT+1 Cash Hughes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=76#comment119 119. Lepus_Madidus"Left? Right? "Goes to show the shallowness of one-dimensional thinking. Wed 12 May 2010 16:34:33 GMT+1 Lepus_Madidus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=75#comment118 Left? Right? ID Cards? They're right or left wing?The Surveillance State? That's right wing of left wing?Uelected, money sucking Quangos? They're right wing or left?The bashing of the BBC? That's right wing or left wing?Labour are left wing? They're not are they? Wed 12 May 2010 16:26:45 GMT+1 Cash Hughes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=75#comment117 A slow news day, eh? Wed 12 May 2010 16:22:04 GMT+1 Cash Hughes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=74#comment116 114. mittfh"Surely its role will be diminished if whichever party's in power has the most Lords?"Actually, I believe it said "relatively long (single) terms". so it's composition would probably 'lag' that of the Commons in a manner similar to the US Supreme Court. Obviously much detail to be worked out, and no doubt some input from various sources may be taken on-board.Personally, I would be happy with very long terms, perhaps even life. A broad representation of the Commons (medium term average) composition might not be a bad thing. Wed 12 May 2010 16:18:56 GMT+1 mittfh http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=73#comment115 Re: the Stout joke.To take it to its logical extreme, for a small amount extra you get it in a card / polystyrene / flexible plastic cup (aka those used by vending machines). For a fair amount extra, a rigid plastic cup. For a lot extra, a real glass glass. And for even more, a real glass glass that is big enough to contain the drink AND the head. And extra again if you want the version branded with the product name.And as for booking online, at least 24 hours in advance, and then you can only get it if you present a printout of the invoice / barcode. Wed 12 May 2010 16:17:47 GMT+1 davmcn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=73#comment114 BS 68, And there is one female Green MP. Wed 12 May 2010 16:16:43 GMT+1 mittfh http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=72#comment113 In addition to Con/Dem/Nation, El Reg has proposed portmanteaus of the two party leaders: Cameregg and Dick Clameron.The New Statesman claims that even with the new rules, there's a chance that those on the extreme edges of each of the constituent parties could collaborate to bring down the coalition.I notice that they're proposing an end to spin...yet they've already broken that by continually referring to Labour's proposed NI increase as a "jobs tax". I strongly suspect there'll be a lot of positive spin on their plans to get increasing numbers of private / voluntary sector organisations running some public services (schools and hospitals spring to mind), their plans to make "efficiency" savings that miraculously won't impact upon front-line services in the slightest, and the replacement of Trident.Expect continuing negative spin on anyone who's physically capable of working but isn't (not just job seekers but also lone parents, carers, mature students, and anyone on Incapacity Benefit who isn't immobile) and the "excessive" size of the public sector (never mind the fact most admin staff work for local councils, which are predominantly controlled by the two parties in power - so if there's waste in local councils, why haven't they reduced/eliminated it?)And the new schools plan will seem wonderfully ironic to those in areas affected by school reorganisations (usually from 3 tier to 2 tier), which have always resulted in the closure of (often good) schools, and often by councils run by the parties in power.One positive note is that they are committed to an elected House of Lords - but the make-up of the chamber will be based on the make-up of the House of Commons (which, of course, they're spinning as PR). Surely its role will be diminished if whichever party's in power has the most Lords? What about cross-bench Lords, who'd presumably be better able to scrutinise legislation because they don't subscribe to any particular party's point of view? Wed 12 May 2010 16:09:50 GMT+1 GotToTheEnd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=71#comment112 81Don't QUITE see how a link to Hagenbach-Bishkoff in Wikipopedia is OK-ed but one to Majority Rule, there, KO-ed.Never mind. Live and let live. I was just being let out of punishment delay then, at the same time that MI 5 and upwards were re-configuring their eavesdrop of my system.Coincidence is like that.Anyway my on-line lines are now in after the coutage, and Mod punishment as I say is moderated. SoSo Hi, whoever it is at MI who's got to read my stuff. Live and let live if you can. GoTo 95 (;-) Wed 12 May 2010 16:04:54 GMT+1 Sid http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=71#comment111 EtE - I'm not Oxbridge, I'm Oxford. Wed 12 May 2010 16:04:10 GMT+1 davmcn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=70#comment110 Sid 42, Phew, at least you got to read my post before it was removed.Maybe I just get bored with EtE's ramblings about PR. I am in favor of it, but just don't know which version. Wed 12 May 2010 16:03:24 GMT+1 davmcn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=69#comment109 Sid 42, Phew, at least you got to read my post before it was removed.Maybe I just get bored with EtE's ramblings about PR. I am in favor of it, but just don't know which version. Wed 12 May 2010 15:57:15 GMT+1 Lepus_Madidus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=69#comment108 Hopefully you'll have Ben Bradshaw MP on with two sources proving his asserion that this coalition is the result of a Murdoch press conspiracy? Wed 12 May 2010 15:54:48 GMT+1 GotToTheEnd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=68#comment107 97 S.You know what, I think that's S for 'I don't know how to'Go on, S. Pro bono publico as you Oxbridge LibDemers say to each other. Clarify. Wed 12 May 2010 15:37:48 GMT+1 Cash Hughes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=67#comment106 I note that elsewhere it's being called the Condem government;-) Wed 12 May 2010 14:53:26 GMT+1 Cash Hughes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=67#comment105 104. jonathanmorse"At the moment, professional politicians only need the party to put them in a safe seat. Under STV, they also need the electorate on their side. No wonder professional politicians don't want STV and are prepared to stab Brown in the back collectively to stop it."Exactly, but will "the public" be interested enough to educate themselves in order to give an "informed choice" in the coming referendum, or will the Powers manage to sufficiently muddy the waters and frighten the horses? Wed 12 May 2010 14:50:52 GMT+1 The Stainless Steel Cat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=66#comment104 Jonathan (92):Actually the common men in the civil war fought because if they didn't the aristocracy who basically owned them would have them flogged or killed.Not much has changed, really. Wed 12 May 2010 14:30:51 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=66#comment103 As soon as the professional politicians in Labour realised that Clegg might get AV they stabbed Brown in the back, showing both that they could have done it at anytime, so approved of the damage he had done to the country and the party's chances of re-election, and that they really didn't want STV. Maybe this is why Clegg only ended up with what he did, when it became clear that Clegg only had Cameron because of Cameron's desire to have a working majority pact, easier to keep if you have many libdems in your government.At the moment, professional politicians only need the party to put them in a safe seat. Under STV, they also need the electorate on their side. No wonder professional politicians don't want STV and are prepared to stab Brown in the back collectively to stop it. Wed 12 May 2010 14:27:52 GMT+1 KGMac http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=65#comment102 Can we call this Blue-Yellow Coalition the Ikea coalition.First the colours!Then I thought about it:It was difficult to assembleThere were lots of spare parts left over.It probably won't last very longKGM Wed 12 May 2010 14:22:52 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=64#comment101 100 they said b4 the election that they wouldn't do it immediately, so what has Clegg got except the possiblilty of AV sometime in the future and the end of the libdems as a decent party, presumably his intention from when he joined it? Wed 12 May 2010 14:21:32 GMT+1 Cash Hughes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=64#comment100 92. jonathanmorse"Can't we have fixed term Parliaments of a year only?"God(s) help us! Election fever every three to five years is more than enough! Wed 12 May 2010 14:11:41 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=63#comment99 87. jonathanmorse"Getting rid of the mansion tax - so no tax threats to the rich, still cutting the deficit, only now it'll have to be in a way that only hurts the poor, not people like Clegg or Cameron."And, on the other hand, no early implementation of the cuts to Inheritance Tax. Wed 12 May 2010 14:10:58 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=62#comment98 It's nice that they can laugh at themselves - Brown couldn't, e.g. when he made the comment about saving the world, not the banks. Wed 12 May 2010 14:09:10 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=62#comment97 84. Fifi"“Will you be wanting a glass with your Guinness, sir?” enquired the barman. "And don't forget - "Did you book your Guinness online, Sir?" Wed 12 May 2010 14:08:33 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=61#comment96 81. ExpectingtheEnd"I'd have thought, FF, S and TIH will clarify,"I certainly won't be clarifying - I've given up (again) on trying to inculcate understanding into the head of one who's mind is as closed as his mouth is open. Wed 12 May 2010 14:07:10 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=60#comment95 One of the problems of the Brown Blair relationship was that they had confidential chats with no one knowing what they'd said, so Brown could say they agreed this when Blair could say they said that (something different). This was the problem with their government, not sofa government, but government without civil servants present. Is this what's going to happen with the Clegg Cameron meetings? Wed 12 May 2010 14:03:40 GMT+1 GotToTheEnd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=60#comment94 90Whaat?Cue the incredible unbeleivable unequalled Arthur Leehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLq5bgVcOpM2 minutesin 'Served my timeServed it wellMade my soulA cell Wed 12 May 2010 14:02:18 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=59#comment93 We can all sneer at Labour sticking to fancy names which this pair can now drop but it's taken us as a society years to get to this stage, Labour has played it's part in enabling them to be dropped, had Labour not kept them they'd have been blamed for not keeping them. Wed 12 May 2010 14:00:35 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=58#comment92 When the Tories were last in power they engineered it so that the economy peaked just before the next election, even if that meant a recession after each election. Easier now they know they've got five years between peaks but means we have 5 years to wait until the next planned economic success. Wed 12 May 2010 13:57:13 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=58#comment91 Can't we have fixed term Parliaments of a year only? Wasn't that what the common men in the Civil War fought for? Wed 12 May 2010 13:53:35 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=57#comment90 Usually the winners of Big Society, less government, are big business and the big people, the bullies of this world. Wed 12 May 2010 13:52:23 GMT+1 GotToTheEnd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=57#comment89 Exactly waht powers are these two clowns going to hand back to us?If its their powers of surveillance, of keeping us in the dark, of waging war, of arming to the teeth, then bring it on.If its providing us with great schools and great hospitals, they had BETTER carry on doing it, and doing it BETTER still. Wed 12 May 2010 13:52:22 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=56#comment88 BBC News keep wittering on about proceedure 'Wow it's a coalition' - standard BBC proceedure to avoid discussing policy. Wed 12 May 2010 13:50:26 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=55#comment87 Fixed term Parliament to keep Clegg in power for 5 years. Wed 12 May 2010 13:47:36 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=55#comment86 Getting rid of the mansion tax - so no tax threats to the rich, still cutting the deficit, only now it'll have to be in a way that only hurts the poor, not people like Clegg or Cameron. Wed 12 May 2010 13:46:52 GMT+1 JesseBigg http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=54#comment85 First broken promise of the ConDem coalition?During the election campaign Cameron said that the tax on jobs, ie, National Insurance increase, will not go ahead if they formed a government.But now, after the formation of their new government the ConDem coalition intend to let employers off the hook, but increase employees' National Insurance contributions instead. What a nerve! Wed 12 May 2010 13:46:27 GMT+1 Jonathan Morse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=53#comment84 So 2 public schoolboys came together to destroy the libdems... Wed 12 May 2010 13:45:03 GMT+1 Fifi http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=53#comment83 Seeking to lighten the mood slightly:Let’s spare a thought for Mike O’Reilly, Chief Executive of budget airline KellyAir.Arriving in a hotel in Dublin , he went to the bar and asked for a pint of Guinness. (other black and white drinks are available)The barman nodded and said “that will be one Euro please, Mr. O’Reilly” to which Mike replied “that’s a very competitive price” and handed over his money. “Will you be wanting a glass with your Guinness, sir?” enquired the barman. ;o) Wed 12 May 2010 13:14:52 GMT+1 Cash Hughes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=52#comment82 An alternative to G&S?"Still it's owre true that ye hae saidSic game is now owre aften play'd;There's monie a creditable stockO' decent, honest, fawsont folk,Are riven out baith root and branch,Some rascal's pridefu' greed to quench,Wha thinks to knit himsel the fasterIn favor wi' some gentle master,Wha, aiblins thrang a parliamentin',For Britain's guid his saul indentin'.Caesar.Haith, lad, ye little ken about it:For Britain's guid! guid faith! I doubt it.Say rather, gaun as Premiers lead him:An' saying aye or no 's they bid him:At operas an' plays parading,Mortgaging, gambling, masquerading:Or maybe, in a frolic daft,To Hague or Calais taks a waft,To make a tour an' tak a whirl,To learn bon ton, an' see the worl'.There at Vienna or Versailles,He rives his father's auld entails;Or by Madrid he taks the rout,To thrum guitars an' fecht wi' nowt;Or down the Italian vista startles,Whore-hunting amang groves o' myrtlesThen bowses drumlie German-water,To mak himsel look fair an' fatter,An' purge the bitter ga's an' cankersO' curst Venetian bores an' chancres.For Britain's guid! For her destruction!Wi' dissipation, feud an' faction....The Burns Unit Wed 12 May 2010 12:54:13 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=51#comment81 73. Cash Hughes"Is there a competition amongst political leaders' spouses to see who can wear the highest heels?"Do we know whether Caroline Lucas' spouse wears high heels? Wed 12 May 2010 12:53:43 GMT+1 GotToTheEnd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=51#comment80 How good is the information about PR we're going to get?Try this for size:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagenbach-Bischoff_quotaon Hagen Bishcoff versus Droop.I'd have thought, FF, S and TIH will clarify, that with an electorate large enough the quotas are so close that either both or neither exhibit the sort of problem outlined there above.I looked at the case where someone with a majority over every other candidate in pairwise comparison finds themselves without a seat, whist two losers of identical views (except about whether they themselves are first or second!) form an absolute majority. That was in a large constituency under Droop. It suggests their example for a large electorate would give the Droop effect even using H-B. Wikipedia is a little better on majority voting now:[Unsuitable/Broken URL removed by Moderator]but still not clear about pairwise comparison. Indeed an excited article about party PR with pairwise comparison '('very new') seems to have disappeared altogether!!As of course has the appaling article on amjority voting that S was relying on, I think!(No time to find it on the latest but one FB cos the library system is closing down on me!) Wed 12 May 2010 12:47:01 GMT+1 Lady_Sue http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=50#comment79 Big Sis (and others) thanks for those statistics. Why the "stunned silence"? So many or so few? Wed 12 May 2010 12:32:52 GMT+1 Sid http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=50#comment78 Home Office Identity and Passport Service:http://www.ips.gov.uk/cps/rde/xchg/ips_live/hs.xsl/53.htmIdentity cardsBoth Parties that now form the new Government stated in their manifestos that they will cancel Identity Cards and the National Identity Register. We will announce in due course how this will be achieved. Applications can continue to be made for ID cards but we would advise anyone thinking of applying to wait for further announcements.Until Parliament agrees otherwise, identity cards remain valid and as such can still be used as an identity document and for travel within Europe. We will update you with further information as soon as we have it. Wed 12 May 2010 12:21:55 GMT+1 Cash Hughes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=49#comment77 48. Looternite"The problem I see is getting women, minorities and working class candidates into the system at the beginning."Good point. Very good. Wed 12 May 2010 12:20:38 GMT+1 Cash Hughes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=48#comment76 45. Poverty"That means that we will undoubtedly never again have an outright majority party."Hurrah! Wed 12 May 2010 12:18:45 GMT+1 Cash Hughes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=48#comment75 41. Big Sister"There are, Sue, an awful lot of 'indifferent' males in politics"You could have put a full stop there. Wed 12 May 2010 12:15:47 GMT+1 Cash Hughes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=47#comment74 33. darkdesign"Or is that giving them too much credit? "And public intelligence too little? Wed 12 May 2010 12:11:55 GMT+1 Cash Hughes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=46#comment73 32. Looternite"Now tell us how many votes the Lib/Dems got from people who did not want a Tory government.How many votes went for the Lib/Dems on loan from Labour voters to keep out the Tories."Which begs the obverse question, of course, and I reckon LD lost more to NuLab than the reverse. Wed 12 May 2010 12:11:02 GMT+1 Cash Hughes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=46#comment72 30. Big Sister"Is there a competition amongst political leaders' spouses to see who can wear the highest heels? "Michelle Obama doesn't need 'em! Wed 12 May 2010 12:09:07 GMT+1 Cash Hughes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=45#comment71 27. Big Sister"I wish Mr. Osborne wasn't Chancellor, and that is probably my greatest fear about this deal."Me too. Wed 12 May 2010 12:07:26 GMT+1 Cash Hughes http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=44#comment70 9. The Stainless Steel Cat"So we're going to replace Trident after all. "It's a bit like a sycamore sapling - almost un-killable. Requires complete up-rooting, and even then you can't be sure.;-( Wed 12 May 2010 12:00:32 GMT+1 Ellis P Otter http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=44#comment69 No comment, this picture of our noble leaders speaks a thousand words! Wed 12 May 2010 11:52:38 GMT+1 mittfh http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=43#comment68 For those talking about gender ratios, this BBC News Magazine article may be of interest...Overall about 22% of MPs are female - Con 16%, Lab 28%, Lib 12%Overall about 4% of MPs are black or from ethnic minorities - Con 4%, Lab 6%, Lib 0%Overall about 35% of MPs went to independent schools - Con 55%, Lab 15%, Lib 40%.Overall about 35% of MPs went to Oxbridge - Con 40%, Lab 20%, Lib 30%. Wed 12 May 2010 11:52:29 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=42#comment67 And there are 81 Labour women MPs. Wed 12 May 2010 11:42:23 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=42#comment66 Some wise words from Julian Glover ... Wed 12 May 2010 11:39:32 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=41#comment65 Lady Sue: There are 139 female MPs in the new Parliament, of which 48 are Conservative and 7 are LibDem. Pause for stunned silence. Wed 12 May 2010 11:39:14 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=41#comment64 Firstly, a link to an article on diversity in Parliament:http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2010/may/11/diversity-uk-parliament-women Wed 12 May 2010 11:35:52 GMT+1 Lady_Sue http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=40#comment63 How many women MPs were elected? How many women MPs are Labour or Lib Dem? Wed 12 May 2010 11:32:15 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=39#comment62 I wonder if Jenni Murray had a hand in this appointment? Wed 12 May 2010 11:20:14 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=39#comment61 ... and Ken Clarke is Lord Chancellor.One woman in the Cabinet. It only took two hours from my post for this to happen ;o) Wed 12 May 2010 11:19:19 GMT+1 Sid http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=38#comment60 Theresa May is Home Secretary. Wed 12 May 2010 11:13:40 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=37#comment59 My #34. removed. So no joking about Cameron's face. Wed 12 May 2010 11:07:21 GMT+1 newlach http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=37#comment58 Sleeves rolled up; ledgers open on the table; mess cleaned up. That's what I want to hear at 5 o'clock. Wed 12 May 2010 11:03:08 GMT+1 GotToTheEnd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=36#comment57 You know the 'Building the Socialist platform' Gladstone-Beveridge faction in the Lib Dem Party, with its Beveridge - style commitment to directed labour and complete equality, is it in the ascendancy, now, or is it in its Gladstonian workfare-cut benefits mode? Wed 12 May 2010 11:01:14 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/05/am_glass_box_102.shtml?page=35#comment56 55. Poverty"Even in 1997 Labour did not get a majority vote."No government has had a majority of the popular vote since WWII. Wed 12 May 2010 10:58:06 GMT+1