Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/04/are_there_too_many_bureaucrats.shtml http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/04/are_there_too_many_bureaucrats.shtml en-gb 30 Thu 07 May 2015 09:06:47 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/04/are_there_too_many_bureaucrats.shtml littlepollyp http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/04/are_there_too_many_bureaucrats.shtml?page=87#comment7 just try living in France... champions de la bureaucratie! Wed 07 Apr 2010 16:14:59 GMT+1 davmcn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/04/are_there_too_many_bureaucrats.shtml?page=75#comment6 d200 4, And my wife tells a different story about hospital management. She was a nurse for thirty years. Wed 07 Apr 2010 09:54:08 GMT+1 baytrees http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/04/are_there_too_many_bureaucrats.shtml?page=62#comment5 All three political parties have pledged to keep front-line jobs whilst promising to slash the number of managers, administrators and bureaucrats. Let’s take the NHS as an example:Who schedules patient operations so that a surgeon’s time is fully utilised?Who plans which operating theatre will be used by whom, at what times, and for which operations?Who ensures the porters, the nurses, the anaesthetists, the maintenance engineers, have their hours worked paid every month? Who plans nurses holidays in oncology, in surgical wards, in A&E, so that critical care is not compromised? Who manages and monitors inventory levels of different types of syringes; the vast array of dressings; the miscellany of other medical supplies and materials so that they are available when needed?Who produces monthly statistical reports for management so that waste can be identified and minimised? Who ensures ambulances are regularly serviced according to maintenance schedules so they don’t break down with patients on board - or are not all off-the-road at the same time?Not the doctors; not the nurses; not the radiologists. If managers and administrators are cut - who is going to undertake these tasks? Tue 06 Apr 2010 21:17:23 GMT+1 jan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/04/are_there_too_many_bureaucrats.shtml?page=50#comment4 I agree with Colin Hoskins - much of the media and many politicians characterise everyone who works in the public sector as a bureaucrat or pen-pusher - and, yes, I am one of them. My daily work as a senior "bureaucrat" in a local Council is about the collection of the waste people create; cleaning the litter they drop; maintaining the roads they drive on; the homes they live in - and so on.These services always sound expensive when you quote the total cost per year but £12 million for waste and recycling collections in the Council I work for, equates to only £2 per household per week. This seems to me to be pretty good value for money.Local government's track record in delivering efficiency savings is far better than for Central Government Departments.That's not to say there isn't scope for more efficiency savings - there is, and I spend a significant part of my week trying to work out how to deliver more service for less money, but it is a little galling when Westminster politicians appear to pluck huge saving figures out of the air and then declare that such "waste" should simply cease. If it were really that easy, I could surrender my "fat cat salary" and retire on my "gold plated pension" etc. etc. Tue 06 Apr 2010 19:43:08 GMT+1 dickens200 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/04/are_there_too_many_bureaucrats.shtml?page=37#comment3 I have worked in NHS administration & management for a number of years & am fed up with the bad publicity we get both generally and from clinicians. I once heard a hospital consultant say in a radio 4 interview: "anyone in the NHS who does not directly help a patient get treated should be out on their ear quite frankly". The public and such clincians need to bear in mind that we are, like them, just trying to earn our living. Our jobs are not worthless!In my job, among other things, I'm involved in guarding the public purse, monitoring GP practices to try and ensure they are meeting their contractual obligations to patients, investigating serious patient complaints and dealing with patient safety issues that sometimes involve taking action against poorly performing clinicians. If we were all sacked who would do this? That said, red tape should be greatly slimmed down in the NHS in order to reduce our massive workloads. There is far far too much time spent on endless strategic change and reporting processes. The culture does need to change. Tue 06 Apr 2010 18:43:17 GMT+1 BluesBerry http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/04/are_there_too_many_bureaucrats.shtml?page=25#comment2 I was a civil servant for 25 years.Fortunately, I worked at the management level; so I hardly ever got impeded by unnecessary official procedures or red tape. I was lucky; I had a great deal of discretion.Of course I can only speak for my group of workers (112 spread in five centres throughout the Province of Ontario), but there wasn't a one of them that I would have referred to in a perjorative sense. They were hard workers, dedicated to improving service to the public that we served.I guess you could've called me a 'bureaucrat', but I never paid attention to the bad press anyway. Why should I? I knew what I did; I knew what my staff did. Why would I let outside opinion bother us.By the way, we did not push pencils; we had computers. We used every inch of imagination and creativity that we had to track people who would not repay public debts, and we were the best at what we did. Tue 06 Apr 2010 18:31:54 GMT+1 newlach http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/04/are_there_too_many_bureaucrats.shtml?page=12#comment1 I read that around 1 person in every 3 who works for the MOD is a civil servant. This seems like quite a high ratio and I wonder what exactly it is that they all do? Obviously a large personnel section will be necessary and a good few 'penpushers' will be needed to administer penions, but what goes on in procurements? With so many administrators why do so many MOD purchases greatly exceed initial projected costs? Tue 06 Apr 2010 17:10:45 GMT+1 GotToTheEnd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/04/are_there_too_many_bureaucrats.shtml?page=0#comment0 Nick Herbert, a shadow Tory front bench spokesperson was bleating last week on Any Questions that one pound in every hundred was not too much to expect governments to save, right now.After all, everyone knows, he said, that every private sector organisation could save one in every hundred quid, no trouble.Which makes Tory squealing about a 1 per cent rise in tax (NI) in just the labour costs part of total turnover sound ridiculous.As for waste in general, we shall no doubt find that for every pound that could be saved in the public sector, a great deal more could be saved in the private sector. From call centres to taxi companies, etc, etc.And the best saving of all would be by saving money and bureaucratic effort and waste by abolishing all studies, commissions, enquiries, think tank brain stormers etc who 'work out ways' to............ save money and bureaucratic effort and waste. Tue 06 Apr 2010 16:51:34 GMT+1