Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/03/flowers.shtml http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/03/flowers.shtml en-gb 30 Sat 27 Dec 2014 04:50:56 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/03/flowers.shtml davmcn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/03/flowers.shtml?page=96#comment27 Ln 26, I prefer PP&M. I knew a disc jockey in Cleveland who had Mary babysit his daughter. Sat 27 Mar 2010 17:06:36 GMT+1 GotToTheEnd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/03/flowers.shtml?page=92#comment26 There HAS been a taste move towards wild gardens of cours.Plus some formal gardens have been put back to less precise earlier bedding patterns to preserve an earlier heritageBut both these in some cases have been used as an excuse to be cheap.Many brilliant patterned gardens have gone. Fri 26 Mar 2010 21:28:45 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/03/flowers.shtml?page=89#comment25 1. jonnieThanks for the link, I have just had time to listen to it.I have to say that IMHO Marlene Dietrich's version was not the best version.I think it's between Joan Baez or the Peter, Paul and Mary versions. Fri 26 Mar 2010 08:34:44 GMT+1 gossipmistress http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/03/flowers.shtml?page=85#comment24 Great old photos! I'm not a fan of municipal flower beds on the whole - prefer my planting a bit more messy! Fri 26 Mar 2010 08:09:46 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/03/flowers.shtml?page=82#comment23 2. Lady SueBy the way I tried to take the photos from the same positions and in fact the other side of the water tower is a road. My camera is a totally diferent make, model and technology to the camera used in 1967 and so the pictures will look slightly different. The memorial I believe has not been moved.The day I took the photos it was very grey and began to rain and so I only took the two pictures. Thu 25 Mar 2010 23:46:32 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/03/flowers.shtml?page=78#comment22 Right I have been rather busy and now I would like to thank the following for your positive opinions:9. Big Sister, 10. funnyJoedunn, and 11. Lady SueNot sure what is meant by 19. Lady SueSince this morning when I last looked, the council have been contacted and a council spokesperson said, "In Memorial Park we have replaced many of the bedding plants with roses and herbacious plants"Right, if you look carefully at the second photo behind the memorial you will indeed see some flowerbeds. Council workers told me that those beds are recent and have been planted to stop kids using the previously grassed area for practising their football skills and kicking the ball against the pavilion that you can see right at the back.That's one of the problems with mere workers they sometimes have not been briefed as to the official line and they tell the unvarnished story.The Green Flag criterion I understand is to do with things like Dogs mess etc and is not for the ratio of flowerbeds to grass.Indeed council tax needs to be wisely spent but there are many items that the council can stop paying for and instead spend the money on things that are beneficial for the wider community. Like well kept parks.The Werner family (owners of Luton Hoo) gave the Memorial Park to the people of Luton in memory of their son killed in the First World War. Also Luton council does indeed plant plenty of boxes around the town centre but the parks have become savannah like with the open grassy places. The trouble with grassy slopes is that kids cannot play football on them as the ball runs away from them and so why not plant flowering shrubs and bedding plants on the sloping parts.I must admit the grass certainly looks healthy and is a nice shade of green, but as #15. jonnie points out what about the bees and other nectar eating insects? Thu 25 Mar 2010 23:39:21 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/03/flowers.shtml?page=74#comment21 annasee - someone on the 6 O'clock News referred to Daphne Park's* 'deux cheveux', which means that instead of driving the usual two horse-power car, she apparently had a two hair-power vehicle. Makes you think, doesn't it?The lady spy who's just died Thu 25 Mar 2010 23:35:56 GMT+1 Francis2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/03/flowers.shtml?page=71#comment20 The comments on cost are, of course, right on the button, but a lack of imagination or desire to create a healthy environment for the public can be to blame too. The parks service in my borough, Greenwich, was privatised for a time, during the last period of severe cuts, 20 years ago or so. The result was a disasterous decline in standards as profit took priority over everything else - areas were grassed over and facilities run down across the borough, in parks, gardens and estates.Thankfully Greenwich provides their parks services directly again, and have transformed the public areas into wonderfully varied and excellent spaces.Victorian style planting is expensive to maintain, but there are plenty of other ways to achieve a pleasant environment with colour, texture, sounds and fragrance.Unfortunately rumours of outsourcing are again in the air, and my local environment is at risk again. Thu 25 Mar 2010 22:41:07 GMT+1 annasee http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/03/flowers.shtml?page=67#comment19 PS & did someone from the council really write the word "herbacious"? Not "herbaceous"? No Green Flag for spelling, if so. Thu 25 Mar 2010 21:19:22 GMT+1 Lady_Sue http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/03/flowers.shtml?page=64#comment18 Musing."Aren't those photos great, what a great item" from Looter@7 and "Looternite (7)I wholeheartedly agree. The kind of thing you pay your licence for - Just great" from 'funny'Joe@10.Then nothing. Deathly silence. Bit like the 'Orient Express'. Thu 25 Mar 2010 21:17:33 GMT+1 annasee http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/03/flowers.shtml?page=60#comment17 In NZ they are still doing those municipal planting patterns, with the annual begonias, marigolds, salvias etc. I think on reflection I prefer a more naturalistic style of planting, & can never understand why councils used to take so much trouble emptying the beds of annuals each year & replanting each spring. Also I think all the bare earth around the plants looks a bit ugly,& lets the water evaporate, as well as needing weeding frequently. Surely longer term planting - things like rosemary, lavender, flax, roses etc would save labour and money, and still look nice? Thu 25 Mar 2010 21:15:47 GMT+1 newlach http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/03/flowers.shtml?page=57#comment16 There is certainly a lack of colour in my neck of the woods. My daffodils came up last week. Thu 25 Mar 2010 17:34:24 GMT+1 Colin100 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/03/flowers.shtml?page=53#comment15 Grass is cheaper than flowers. Thu 25 Mar 2010 12:32:11 GMT+1 jonnie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/03/flowers.shtml?page=49#comment14 My Mum has just been over - admiring all the photo's and reminding me how lovely Valentines Park in Ilford Essex used to be - where I was brought up.She also mentioned and wondered whether the lack of flowers could be having an impact on the bee population? Thu 25 Mar 2010 12:13:54 GMT+1 baytrees http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/03/flowers.shtml?page=46#comment13 A few months after becoming prime minister, Harold Macmillan commented in July 1957:“Indeed, let’s be frank about it; most of our people have never had it so good. Go around the country - go to the towns - go to the farms, and you will see a state of prosperity such as we have never had in my lifetime – nor indeed ever in the history of this country.”Perhaps he was right. Or perhaps it was the free Marshall Plan money the Americans gave us. Thu 25 Mar 2010 11:30:23 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/03/flowers.shtml?page=42#comment12 A bit of information about Ronald Dyson (see my 12 above)http://www.dyson-family-of-worcestershire.co.uk/page17.html Thu 25 Mar 2010 11:05:04 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/03/flowers.shtml?page=39#comment11 Interesting to see the photos that this article has inspired.I'm not wild about traditional bedding plants, although there are some exceptions. I used to live near Preston Park, Brighton, where there was an annual competition involving Parks and Gardens Departments from across the country, who had to design and plant up a bed. They were a lovely treat in the early summer, and I used to enjoy making my own choices. It encouraged greater creativity and diversity of planting, away from begonias, cannas, and their like. Does this still take place? Googling to try to find out, I discovered that the event was the brainchild of Ron Dyson. I'll post the link separately in case it is one that the mods don't like.Brighton had their own nursery in Stanmer Park - again, I don't know if this still exists. Thu 25 Mar 2010 11:04:38 GMT+1 Lady_Sue http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/03/flowers.shtml?page=35#comment10 Thanks Looter, thanks Joe. Thu 25 Mar 2010 10:48:42 GMT+1 funnyJoedunn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/03/flowers.shtml?page=32#comment9 Looternite (7)I wholeheartedly agree. The kind of thing you pay your licence for - Just great. The importance of this sort of relaxing therapy (to use a modern vernacular) is sadly overlooked these days. years ago it was seen a therapeutic activity to stroll through the flower beds, rose borders and perennial mixed borders. The Victorians gave great store to such activities for health and well being apart from just the lifting of the spirit such sights bring. It was a kind of escape from the smog and those dark satanic mills for many. My home town is credited with having the first municipal public park in Britain. At the beginning folks had to pay to get into the park (which was more an Arboretum) such was its popularity. It wasn't long before the local authority eventually scrapped any charges as, it was discovered that allowing people to walk through the parks on their way to and from work (as a short cut in many cases) was not only therapeutic but also cut down on sickness and absences. It kind of gives an affinity with the planet we occupy too to see a well managed spirit lifting border. But then I have a vested interest having studied horticulture. Its just one of those things that make civilised society...well civilized in my opinion. Thu 25 Mar 2010 10:33:57 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/03/flowers.shtml?page=28#comment8 Yes, Looternite, such a great item from Luton - and a wonderful interview. You wouldnt' be a tad prejudiced, eh? ;o) Thu 25 Mar 2010 10:25:37 GMT+1 mittfh http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/03/flowers.shtml?page=24#comment7 I'd say there's a simple reason why many flowerbeds (and in some cases, shrub beds) had disappeared: cost.It costs far less to send a couple of people around the park every few weeks armed with petrol mowers (for the tricky areas) and a sit-on mower (for the main expanse) than also paying someone to trim / prune the shrub beds, clear out the litter from inside them (in one park, teens somehow managed to clamber inside a pyracantha / berberis bed and leave litter lying around - before part of a project to replace the play area with updated equipment also caused the shrub beds to bite the dust). Never mind the cost of replacing all the annuals.However, the same local authority still retains flower beds / borders in the 'main' parks in the area - and as they breed their own plants from an on-site nursery in one of them, they also sell off surplus plants to the public, which probably helps offset the cost a little. Thu 25 Mar 2010 10:24:33 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/03/flowers.shtml?page=21#comment6 Aren't those photos great, what a great item. Thu 25 Mar 2010 10:06:21 GMT+1 jonnie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/03/flowers.shtml?page=17#comment5 Here in Bournemouth the majority of the roundabouts have large flower displays and are sponsored by local companies.In our latest rates bill there was an advisory notice explaining that they would be cutting back on flower borders in order to reduce the price Thu 25 Mar 2010 09:57:33 GMT+1 jonnie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/03/flowers.shtml?page=14#comment4 It's just updated itself... I suspect some tinkering is going on ... Thu 25 Mar 2010 09:50:13 GMT+1 The Intermittent Horse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/03/flowers.shtml?page=10#comment3 Wasn't that an Evan Davis report? Thu 25 Mar 2010 09:48:58 GMT+1 jonnie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/03/flowers.shtml?page=7#comment2 Eddie said: 'For more snaps from the 60s and a further word from Roy, just click below.'???? Thu 25 Mar 2010 09:43:45 GMT+1 Lady_Sue http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/03/flowers.shtml?page=3#comment1 Think I prefer both without the flower beds - they were a tad fussy and must have been more difficult in upkeep than mowing grass. The second shot looks like the area has been made into a more functional sport facility - perhaps this suited the nearby inhabitants more. Are we confident the shots were taken from the same position? Thu 25 Mar 2010 09:38:50 GMT+1 jonnie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/03/flowers.shtml?page=0#comment0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_ptqXqjsZw Thu 25 Mar 2010 09:37:58 GMT+1