Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml en-gb 30 Tue 30 Sep 2014 11:06:10 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml Redheylin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=98#comment96 Looternite:As I understand the Gurkhas are not mercenaries, however they do volunteer and they all sign contracts. It does surprise me that after signing on the dotted line they then complain about the terms and conditions. But I had never heard any such complaint. But now ol Joanna has complained on their behalf, the question is; is it right? And personally I think it is. However, on principle I'd prefer all to have the same privilege I have had; to travel and work wheresoe'er I choose. The question is one of relative values of currencies, which in this case is extreme.It was suggested above that they ought to stay home and build their economy. Relative value of currency depends upon the value of surplus goods an area produces. In Nepal an ex-Gurkha is quite well-off, but not so well-off as he will be if he is also working here. Since we have just built up the Polish economy, I cannot see why we should cavil at a few ex-squaddie Nepali security guards. It's no different from buying cheap bananas - foreign produce. And Nepalis are not to blame if we have decided to have both-sex employment while closing down our manufacturing industry, mechanising farms and deskilling ourselves, opening all European borders and giving work-permits to the whole English speaking world. (Between ourselves, at this rate we will end up hoping to be guest workers in Nepal.But by that time it'll be worthwhile making stuff here again!) I think British army Gurkhas merit the same status that's all. (You may be right about Chindits, I do not know)=The real reason the Gurkhas have been part of the British Army for so long is that uptill now they have been cheap. If they become too expensive then we may feel we do not need them anymore. Allowing a little extra capital to flow to Nepal in return for their work here is going to PREVENT them from becoming more expensive to the tax-payer, surely? It is fair trade in the private sector. And it's a question of respect, not that whole villages are going to descend and sign on the dole. The MOD is pretty poor at handing out that respect, whether to Gurkhas or British squaddies, always has been. Why is that? Tue 05 Jan 2010 19:00:22 GMT+1 lucien desgai http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=97#comment95 * I think I meant to type do as I say not as I do Tue 05 Jan 2010 18:06:22 GMT+1 lucien desgai http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=96#comment94 93 redheylinAh, so all of those contradictory, inconsistent, patronising, do as I do not as I say arguments were really a self-parody, nothing to be taken seriously. Silly me, I should have seen it earlier. Tue 05 Jan 2010 18:02:26 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=95#comment93 Hi all. just passing ... Tue 05 Jan 2010 17:57:27 GMT+1 Redheylin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=94#comment92 I had already thought about tea and coffee. Tea - nasty foreign stuff. Really, in drinking it we are nothing but colonialists and also the hapless stooges of the East India Company. Moreover, we do not really enjoy it, it is just our politically-correct left-leaning way of patronising foreigners in order to belittle our own great society and its disgusting army. Furthermore, although it is commonly held to be a "drink", this is a mere manipulation of language. In my view it is no such thing and therefore;a) People are not really drinking it andb) They should be stopped from drinking itAnd if you disagree, there is indeed something wrong with you. And I have a headache. Tue 05 Jan 2010 17:45:24 GMT+1 davmcn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=93#comment91 rh 46, I forgot tea and coffee. DD avoids all such furrin rubbish. Tue 05 Jan 2010 17:26:26 GMT+1 Redheylin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=92#comment90 Let us go back to the various sayings of Einstein; he said:-"I am by heritage a Jew, by citizenship a Swiss, and by makeup a human being, and only a human being, without any special attachment to any state or national entity whatsoever."I find that admirable. He also said:-"Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of forming such opinions."So, if he is right, then certainly there will be cultural norms. Yet:"Too many of us look upon Americans as dollar chasers. This is a cruel libel, even if it is reiterated thoughtlessly by the Americans themselves."Now, certainly, if Americans are all telling one another they are dollar-chasers, then, cruel libel though it may be, they can hardly complain if others also say so. And if it is difficult everywhere to hold "opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment" then it will be difficult even among ones own kin to dissent and say "I am not interested in chasing dollars".However, that is not to say that such a dissent may also be admirable: it only becomes a "cruel" thing when ones kin will not allow and accept it or, alternatively, when one is told "You are American, so you MUST be a dollar-chaser, and I do not like dollar-chasers so I do not like you, moreover you must be a liar". Then one is placing the stereotype above the right to be "by makeup a human being, and only a human being", and so forsaking diversity, individual freedom, due respect and possibly even the evidence of one's own eyes, which is stupid and animal.However, given that Americans do frequently encourage and admire business acumen, it is unexceptionable to say so as a generalisation without malice, or even to make a joke upon this theme when it is done without malice and one is ready to accept such a joke in return.So the malice and prejudice and the bondage of cultural norms, whether internally or externally are the wrongs, and by those wrongs we reduce our own capacity to think, sense and feel and to be ourselves, as well as attempting to reduce the same in others.But in the last analysis nobody can make us conform or identify to any collective or to accept its norms; we can simply decline and say "I am only a human being". If we do this for ourselves we are sure to render the same privilege to others. So, for example, if I say "you bunch of narrow-minded saddos", D MCN, for instance did not feel, above, any need to make himself the target of this and so, I imagine, if I said "you American dollar-chaser", I expect he would have a spirit agile enough to know within himself that this does not apply to him. And so, if I said, "But you are from the USA so you MUST be", in the last analysis that, to him, would be simply my problem, from which he is free to walk away or to defend himself as he will, leaving me trapped in my own rightness, no doubt, and determined to use every power I can muster to force him to conform to my ideas. Which is my problem, indeed, though I am trying hard to make it HIS problem and, sadly for all concerned, may at some time succeed. I hope this is clear. I will take questions.... Tue 05 Jan 2010 17:24:51 GMT+1 davmcn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=91#comment89 rh 71, That makes two of us who have mental problems according to DD. Tue 05 Jan 2010 17:21:20 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=90#comment88 86. lucien desgaiOh yes there is room to expand in Hertfordshire. Tue 05 Jan 2010 17:21:16 GMT+1 The Intermittent Horse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=89#comment87 Looternite (84) - My understanding is that the Gurkhas right to settle here has just been brought into line with those from Commonwealth countries who chose to join the British Army. Tue 05 Jan 2010 17:00:30 GMT+1 Lepus_Madidus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=88#comment86 There's no comparison with the way Saddam ruled Iraq and the way the English conquered and assimilated the Welsh? Tue 05 Jan 2010 16:55:38 GMT+1 lucien desgai http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=87#comment85 84 You're the new mayor of Luton embarking on a demonic imperial crusade? Tue 05 Jan 2010 16:55:37 GMT+1 Lepus_Madidus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=86#comment84 Did I hear correctly on the R4 News yesterday evening that the Tories have ring fenced spending for the NHS and foreign aid? Foreign aid? Tue 05 Jan 2010 16:54:05 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=85#comment83 I have just returned from an important visit to the Town Hall, oh yes be aware davmcn St Albans here I come.I logged in and have been impressed with the responses redheylin has written to DoctorDolots not sure I understand it all but I can see both sides points. I think I am somewhere between the positions taken. As I understand the Gurkhas are not mercenaries, however they do volunteer and they all sign contracts. It does surprise me that after signing on the dotted line they then complain about the terms and conditions. It was mentioned on Radio 4 that if all ex-soldiers settled in the UK then the local economy in Nepal would be badly affected.The real reason the Gurkhas have been part of the British Army for so long is that uptill now they have been cheap. If they become too expensive then we may feel we do not need them anymore. Tue 05 Jan 2010 16:36:17 GMT+1 lucien desgai http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=84#comment82 79 DDI think Redheylin's case may be other people (you know, those others who don't have his attributes) shouldn't categorise or stereotype - but difficult to be sure. Tue 05 Jan 2010 16:06:59 GMT+1 Redheylin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=83#comment81 Pakistanis are certainly very able shopkeepers on the whole - at least the Kashmiris are. It's a diverse nation. Many Sikhs are Pakistanis, for example, but utterly different. I am able to inform you that they always wear underpants. Whether these observations are moddable or not remains to be seen. Personally I do not find stereotypes offensive, so long as the individual may diverge and is not held accountable to them.I was just listening to a Goon show on the BBC podcast, and I have never heard such long strings of fun-poking at Jews, blacks, Indians, Latin Americans - anybody, really. I cannot see there's any harm. When someone gets hurt or kept from full participation in society because of their race or sect that's a different thing, otherwise it is just something people say, like fatty, spotty, baldy or ginger. "Or are we going back to the birth of the Indo-European languages just to appear smart?"I cannot help appearing intelligent and erudite - you would not like me to be other than I am would you? Yes, I am referring to PIE.I am glad you have recovered from the church. You will no doubt be gratified to hear that JC was also not a fan of organised religion - read the sermon on the mount. I have often asked various clerics about that but it turns out he did not mean "clerics" by "clerics" - he meant Jews. Strange that, seeing as he called non-Jews "dogs" (which was rather a lapse from his usual). Very bright man otherwise, very funny too. Tue 05 Jan 2010 15:58:59 GMT+1 DoctorDolots http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=82#comment80 In case you're a typo fascist, I meant to type aggrandisement of course, but my keyboard is occasionally missing out letters. Tue 05 Jan 2010 15:45:48 GMT+1 DoctorDolots http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=81#comment79 ...wholesale condemnation of those we have never met?I don't condemn Nepalis for joining the British Army, it's a poor country and I understand the queue stretches for miles when the recruiters arrive, which illustrates that there is much privation if men are prepared to leave home, family and country to fight and perhaps die for someone else's agrandisement. That doesn't still mean they must have entitlement to British citizenship. It would be better to invest in their country, create jobs, improve their lives so that young men see the future in working for the good of Nepal and not becoming foreign mercenaries. That they should have an adequate pension goes without saying. Just a thought. Tue 05 Jan 2010 15:42:12 GMT+1 DoctorDolots http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=80#comment78 74/75. Gotham too to some who believe in Superman.By the way, a white officer of the Gurkhas in WW1 would say that wouldn't he. He probably called them 'plucky little chaps' too.They may not be 'treated' as mercenaries, doubtless some kind of fix Britain arranged a long time ago, but to me they are no different to any mercenaries - A mercenary is a professional soldier hired by a foreign army, as opposed to a soldier enlisted in the armed forces of the sovereign state of which he is a citizen. Wikipedia.Boadicea is the Roman version of Boudicca which is derived from the British word 'boud' meaning 'victory', so how is that cognate with Buddha [awakened], from the Indian sub-continent? Or are we going back to the birth of the Indo-European languages just to appear smart?'the whole world knows that Englishmen tend to like fighting and complaining' sounds like a racist statement to me, if applied to, say, Pakistanis, do you think you'd be modded for posting it? Tue 05 Jan 2010 15:37:08 GMT+1 Redheylin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=79#comment77 I am glad, though, to hear you would be ready to help any living being.Perhaps it is best if we confine ourselves to kindness towards the actual beings we encounter, and to eschew an abstract and wholesale condemnation of those we have never met?Just a thought Tue 05 Jan 2010 15:30:09 GMT+1 Redheylin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=78#comment76 But if you simply do not like the British army - well, de gustibus non est disputandum. There's always Zimbabwe. Of course, to generalise about all those people IS rather patronising.I cannot find you have made any further substantial point to address. Tue 05 Jan 2010 15:25:59 GMT+1 Redheylin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=77#comment75 "British Embassies are not British turf."Yes, any embassy is regarded as the territory of the incumbent nation under international law. Tue 05 Jan 2010 15:23:48 GMT+1 Redheylin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=76#comment74 Gautama - Gautam - Gotama - Gotam - any one is correct.You will be scandalised but those people do not use the proper alphabet, but rather one they have made up for themselves.Did you know "Buddha" was cognate both with "bud" and "Boadicea"? Tue 05 Jan 2010 15:16:44 GMT+1 Redheylin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=75#comment73 Now, as to "mercenaries":"Under international law, present-day British Gurkhas are not treated as mercenaries but are fully integrated soldiers of the British Army, operate in formed units of the Brigade of Gurkhas, and abide by the rules and regulations under which all British soldiers serve."And, by the way:Professor Sir Ralph Turner, MC, who served with the 3rd Queen Alexandra's Own Gurkha Rifles in the First World War, wrote of Gurkhas:"Bravest of the brave, most generous of the generous, never had country more faithful friends than you." Tue 05 Jan 2010 15:13:49 GMT+1 DoctorDolots http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=74#comment72 71. I shall not bite, I know you're trying to get me to call you names and get banned, but my personal opinion of you is irrelevent to the fact of you not answering any points despite starting this off with your accusations [born out of ignorance] that I was narrow minded. I'll leave it to others to draw conclusions on your mental state.I find those who quote JC rather than finding their own thoughts and arguments more offensive than the man. Did you mean Gautama by the way? Tue 05 Jan 2010 15:10:46 GMT+1 Redheylin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=73#comment71 SO - I think we can take it that the greatest minds have always valued innocence, just as the mediocre value their own cleverness. Therefore, to admire innocence in a person or culture in no way demeans or patronises, but rather simply admires.Further, while no individual may wholly defined by his or her culture, still it may be said that cultures to an extent have normative characteristics that may be likeable, dislikeable or neutral.For example, the whole world knows that Englishmen tend to like fighting and complaining. Tue 05 Jan 2010 15:08:40 GMT+1 Redheylin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=72#comment70 S of I (1873)"let a man walk alone, let him commit no sin, with few wishes, like an elephant in the forest." (Gotam Buddha)(64) Yes, a lot of people find Jesus offensive. Tue 05 Jan 2010 15:03:59 GMT+1 DoctorDolots http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=71#comment69 68. Whoops, you fell over the edge Tue 05 Jan 2010 15:00:33 GMT+1 DoctorDolots http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=70#comment68 66. No, seems to have reverted to mad preacher mode. Tue 05 Jan 2010 14:59:12 GMT+1 Redheylin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=69#comment67 S of I (V11)Whenever one of them digs out of some mouldy manuscript the name of Anchises' mother or some trivial word the ordinary man doesn't know, such as neatherd, tergiversator, cutpurse, or if anyone unearths a scrap of old stone with a fragmentary inscription, 0 Jupiter, what a triumph! What rejoicing, what eulogies! They might have conquered Africa or captured Babylon. And again, when they keep on bringing out their feeble verses, their own hopeless efforts, and frod no lack of admirers, of course they believe the spirit of Virgil is reborn in themselves. But the funniest thing of all is when there's an exchange of compliments and appreciation, a mutual back-scratching. Yet if someone else slips up on a single word and his sharper-eyed fellow happens to pounce on it, 'Hercules', what dramas, what fights to the death, accusations, and abuse! The whole world of grammarians may turn on me if I lie.(Erasmus) Tue 05 Jan 2010 14:58:51 GMT+1 DoctorDolots http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=68#comment66 64. Careful, you're verging on the edge Tue 05 Jan 2010 14:58:23 GMT+1 lucien desgai http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=67#comment65 55 DoctordolotsOf course it was patronising for Redheylin to lump the Nepalese together in that way ... however it looks as if he doesn't wish to answer the point directly.;O) Tue 05 Jan 2010 14:58:07 GMT+1 DoctorDolots http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=65#comment64 So what? You refuse to address any points but merely google quotes you think make you appear erudite. Not impressed with fairies, godmothers, pumpkins, faith... you appear to be mired in whimsey. The intelligent know 'god' is an invention of the inadequate to explain what they cannot. You are clearly impressed with all these quotes, but none of them are apposite or relevent to mercenaries or the British state, especially catholic ascetics. But I see where you're coming from... I'm a recovered catholic. Tue 05 Jan 2010 14:56:33 GMT+1 Redheylin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=64#comment63 S of I V1His Disciples say: When will thou appear to us, and when shall we behold thee? || Yeshúa says: When you take off your garments without being ashamed, and take your garments and place them under your feet to tread on them as the little children do--then [shall you behold] the Son of the Living-One, and you shall not fear. Tue 05 Jan 2010 14:46:34 GMT+1 Redheylin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=63#comment62 S of I - V“The silence often of pure innocence persuades when speaking fails.” William Shakespeare Tue 05 Jan 2010 14:41:48 GMT+1 Redheylin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=62#comment61 S of I - 1V“Know you what it is to be a child? It is to be something very different from the man of to-day. It is to have a spirit yet streaming from the waters of baptism; it is to believe in love, to believe in loveliness, to believe in belief; it is to be so little that the elves can reach to whisper in your ear; it is to turn pumpkins into coaches, and mice into horses, lowness into loftiness, and nothing into everything, for each child has its fairy godmother in its own soul.” Francis Thompson Tue 05 Jan 2010 14:40:26 GMT+1 Redheylin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=61#comment60 S of I 111He who mocks the infant's faithShall be mock'd in age and death.He who shall teach the child to doubtThe rotting grave shall ne'er get out.He who respects the infant's faithTriumphs over hell and death.The child's toys and the old man's reasonsAre the fruits of the two seasons.The questioner, who sits so sly,Shall never know how to reply.He who replies to words of doubtDoth put the light of knowledge out. Tue 05 Jan 2010 14:37:44 GMT+1 Redheylin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=60#comment59 S of I 11We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. (Einstein) Tue 05 Jan 2010 14:34:57 GMT+1 Redheylin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=59#comment58 The Sophistication of Innocence - 1“I was like a boy playing on the sea-shore, and diverting myself now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me.”(Newton) Tue 05 Jan 2010 14:30:20 GMT+1 Redheylin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=58#comment57 'Nepalese are often such innocent people' precisely, patronising them still without even realising it. Not as sophisticated as us eh?- Nothing is more sophisticated than innocence. Tue 05 Jan 2010 14:21:56 GMT+1 DoctorDolots http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=57#comment56 55.56. - I dislike what the British army does, whereas you think it is 'is the best there is'. Try telling that to the Iraqis they have tortured, murdered and bullied, tell that to the Kenyan women who have been raped because they live near a British Army base in their country. But the soldiers join up with the understanding they may be called on to defend this country, not the oil profits of Arabs and Americans. Many are unhappy that our soldiers are dying in Afghanistan and Iraq 'because those wars increase the danger to the UK', and much is made of 'don't blame the soldiers, blame the politicians'. Are these wars making Nepal safer?'Nepalese are often such innocent people' precisely, patronising them still without even realising it. Not as sophisticated as us eh? So ok to take advantage of them, enlist them to fight and die for a country they know nothing about thousands of miles away? I have nothing against Nepalise or any other nation, ethnic group or race. But I don't patronise anyone, which is what the awful Lumley does constantly as she stands proud and tall amongst her little brown people, makes me quite sick actually. If I found anyone in difficulties I would help them, they wouldn't have to be Nepalise. But then I would help any animal in distress also, where most people are only concerned with the hominid species.None of which has anything to do with allowing mercenaries to live here, never been done before so why make an exception? British Embassies are not British turf, they are an arm of the British state, who guards them is none of my concern. Iraquis probably guard the same in Baghdad, are they also entitled to bring their family here? How far does this colonial angst have to go on for? There have been empires throughout the history of homo erectus, many of them so brutal that they make the British Empire appear soft. It's what people do to each other, when they aren't displaying human kindness. Tue 05 Jan 2010 14:05:41 GMT+1 Redheylin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=56#comment55 Nepalese are often such innocent people, let me tell you.... I asked out of curiosity a bunch of young people (who had been so kind as to invite me to stay in their homes for no apparent reason and found me a rather nice job) that "what do you say to each other when you are really angry, is there such a thing as Pali swearing?" We had been discussing hip-hop and they were just slack-jawed to hear what was being said.One said "Donkey... that is pretty bad!"I said "that's the worst?"He said in a whisper "What is really bad is "brother-in-law"!"So I was slack in the jaw then. He said; "It means - you know - your sister". Then "But only hoodlums say it - the kind that watch these racy Indian movies that are spoiling our culture".India is very big and it looks brash, vulgar and modern even to the wealthy young of the capital.That's why Ghurkas are proud. They upheld Nepal's clean-living, innocent, independent culture against the Evil Empire. Amd the Brits helped. They want to remain a part. They are truly proud of what they do and I am proud to call them my friends - if I find one over here in difficulties, of course, I will invite him, help in whatever way I can. It's the only decent thing to do. Tue 05 Jan 2010 13:37:29 GMT+1 Redheylin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=55#comment54 I think that, as armies go, the British is the best there is and, by and large, I greatly value my friendships with servicemen and women. The Nepalese feel they owe Britain because the British Raj meant they kept their independence for centuries.I am sorry to hear that you, on the contrary, dislike the British army so strongly. Perhaps you might consider emigrating to Croatia or, in fact, any country that operates any form of neo-Utilitarian or Keynsian economic policy, which I am sure will be more to your liking. Tue 05 Jan 2010 13:26:48 GMT+1 DoctorDolots http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=54#comment53 52. redheylin wrote:What's human kindness got to do with allowing mercenaries who have killed [by all accounts rather more bloodthirstilly than most if we are to accept the hype] for the British state the right to move here with extended family? Were they distributing human kindness to those they killed on orders? As for your previous 'pride in being a part of the British army' any idea why a non Brit would feel 'pride' in serving in the British Army? Would you feel 'pride' serving in the Croatian or Zimbabwean army? Any army? Or do you think that the British Army is such an amazing, humanitarian organisation that any foreigner would be honoured to be allowed to serve in it? Just think for a change, if Bangkok hasn't addled your brain. 'engaging in informal logical errors over economic theories' makes even less sense than your usual posts. Tue 05 Jan 2010 13:18:20 GMT+1 Redheylin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=53#comment52 47, Sindy, "putting all in the same category" is the last thing I'd do: it's what I cannot stand. Mum used to say "if the cap fits wear it". Obviously it doesnt fit you and I did not think it would. Please try my recipe and my best regards to you, your ideas, your work, your class. Kindness is dangerous if you just let yourself be vulnerable to any crap anybody dishes out: it'll turn to bitterness. So if you cannot stand out of the way I'd advise you tell me to get *******! All the best. Tue 05 Jan 2010 13:01:38 GMT+1 Redheylin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=52#comment51 Human kindness is not a dogma. It's something I've found we all have in common: something I've felt gratitude for from here to Bangkok. Chatting on about people you've never met, and engaging in informal logical errors over economic theories, on the other hand, has to be caled "dogma". What does it get you, apart from a headache? Tue 05 Jan 2010 12:50:55 GMT+1 DoctorDolots http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=51#comment50 And some people here have substituted political correctness for actually thinking for themselves. It's so much easier to have a dogma to rely on. Tue 05 Jan 2010 12:31:03 GMT+1 DoctorDolots http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=50#comment49 46. redheylin - you can always live somewhere else if you dislike this country so much. Somewhere Marxist perhaps? Tue 05 Jan 2010 12:29:50 GMT+1 davmcn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=49#comment48 rh 46, Tomatoes, potatoes, and pumpkins are foreign as well. As far as that goes, I'm foreign. As you say, some people here are very narrow minded. Tue 05 Jan 2010 12:29:07 GMT+1 DoctorDolots http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=48#comment47 44. GeeDeeSea - I suspect it will be another push to get GM foods accepted as the claim has been made all along [without any proof offered] that GM will feed the world. The real aim of GM is to lock farmers into buying seed from the major players who want to control farming worldwide. Since 'increasing food production' since WW2 has r4sulted in pesticide, herbicide and fertilizer pollution, it will indeed be interesting to see how they intend to accomplish this. Rather than go all out to control human numbers, the mantra is 'the world population is set to increase by X billion [this varies depending on who is doing the guessing] by 2050, so we have to increase food production accordingly. Still haven't quite got their heads round the words sustainability and finite! Tue 05 Jan 2010 12:26:32 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=47#comment46 redheylin - please don't put us all in the same category - see my 25. Tue 05 Jan 2010 12:25:49 GMT+1 Redheylin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=46#comment45 I spent a good while in Nepal, know a few Gurkhas and I know very well of their pride in being a part of the British army: they are no more mercenaries than British squaddies (who are not at the moment defending their mums in the London streets but "murdering for money" in Afghanistan). Right now, this moment, there are hundreds Gurkhas on guard duty outside many embassies in Asia. That's British turf. Why not phone up and order them off it? You all make me cringe; to think I've been over the world and been made welcome by people proud of what their countries have to offer, happy to have the chance to meet a different culture - and then to have to get back to such a bunch of shallow, petty, spoiled malcontents. I've not been so ashamed of where I came from since I watched the World Cup in a Portuguese bar.Anyhow, here's your kukri lesson. I have devised a new recipe I'd like to share because it's nice and it makes the house smell nice all day. Lemon peppers.Take as many peppers as you are going to eat and cut into thin strips. Spread at least a big tablespoon of cornflour in a plate. You can add salt, spices, chilli, a little sugar, MSG if you like. Then pour on enough lemon juice to make a paste. Then mix to a paste: do I have to tell you everything? Now drag the pepper through it, you can leave it a little while but I have not tried pre-marinade yet. Just coat it and throw it straight into plenty of very hot olive oil. Fry it till you want to eat it. Eat it.You know it sounds like it's going to be nice, don't you? That's what I thought when I thought of it. I was right. Bon appetit you sad load of pathetic narrow minded gits. Sorry to remind you that lemons and peppers are bloody foreign. Try with turnip and prune juice if it makes you feel better! Tue 05 Jan 2010 12:21:45 GMT+1 GeeDeeSea http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=45#comment44 How about some news about the Kepler telescope and the five new planets discovered? A British firm was involved in the production of the space telescope. Tue 05 Jan 2010 12:19:49 GMT+1 GeeDeeSea http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=44#comment43 News from the Oxford Farming Conference and the 20 year plan to increase food production in Britain might be interesting. How do they plan to do this? What foods to we need to grow? Fruit, cereals, vegetables, livestock, fish? Tue 05 Jan 2010 12:12:23 GMT+1 SirStarryKnight http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=43#comment42 With the periodic farce of an election bearing down on us like a solid gold juggernaut, do you think we might be able to elect a government that would outlaw political parties? It is the omnipresence of party agendas that destroys intelligent debate, and we are left with the distasteful spectacle of career politicians slagging each other off. Perhaps electors should be offered a cash inducement to turn up and vote ... £10, anybody? I'll forego mine.Incidentally, I'm with Doctor Dolots re the Gurkhas: they volunteered to do a job, and they got paid for it - end of story. We cannot continue simply importing more and more people; it will only end in tears. Tue 05 Jan 2010 12:01:02 GMT+1 davmcn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=42#comment41 ld 40, Sent a Glass Box as well. I just sais S&LD because I didn't want to type Sclocil & Diberle Lenocruts again. Too much chance for errors.I'll bet you buy cubitainers of cheap wine. Tue 05 Jan 2010 12:00:34 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=41#comment40 37. davmcnI don't know what you are insinuating, like Snallbernites, Looternites shop and as far as grapes are concerned its the femented grape product that we return with."S&LD" I dread to think what sites I would get if I googled that term. Tue 05 Jan 2010 11:46:50 GMT+1 lucien desgai http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=40#comment39 39 davYes please ... the more the better. Tue 05 Jan 2010 11:43:22 GMT+1 davmcn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=39#comment38 Ln 35, I sent two more. Today, that is. I think I sent two others yestiddy. Got more if there is a demand. Tue 05 Jan 2010 11:38:24 GMT+1 DoctorDolots http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=38#comment37 I prefer people of peace actually, all mercenaries are the same; killing for money. To defend your family, town, country or religion is one thing, to kill for a wage when you hold no personal conviction one way or the other is legalised and paid murder. Mann and all the other sordid 'soldiers of fortune' get what they deserve, but apparently the Gurkhas are somehow different, and the only explanation I have is the patronising 'brave little warriors' attitude, a leftover from the Raj and the height of political correctness.I see them as no different to Mann. So yet again you're totally wrong. Tue 05 Jan 2010 11:37:15 GMT+1 davmcn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=37#comment36 Ln 35, You didn't mention the Social and Liberal Democrats. The coaster next to me that I put my cup on says S&LD on it.Yes, I set my standards high...But we Snorbeners take the day trips to France to shop, not to pick grapes and smuggle in illegal immigrants (not Gherkins), like Hatters do.DD prefers home grown mercenaries. Tue 05 Jan 2010 11:13:07 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=36#comment35 Not only did my dad risk his life fighting in Burma but also after the war he went to work for Vauxhall Motors an American owned company. When he retired, he did not have the right to live in America.The Gurkhas were paid volunteers; many of the British were conscripts.Let us spare a thought for the bravery of the British conscripts who fought just as bravely and fiercely as the Gurkhas. The survivors came home and without counselling or help were left to find work and get on with it. My dad never spoke much of his time in Burma but my mum says he had nightmares the rest of his life. Tue 05 Jan 2010 10:58:48 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=35#comment34 28. davmcn1. No, you have set such a high bar that I prefer to leave it to you professionals2. Not only Snalbernites but also Looternites take day trips to France.3. Yeah, "What about the Social and Liberal Democrats?" Tue 05 Jan 2010 10:47:48 GMT+1 davmcn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=34#comment33 RXK 16, Snow, what snow? When I was a kid the snow was up to my chest. OK, I was only three feet tall, but... We averaged 6 feet of snow each winter in the Cleveland (Ohio) area.If it works:http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/01/snow_is_nowhere_near_stopping.html Tue 05 Jan 2010 10:43:45 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=32#comment32 24. DoctorDolotsJoanna Lumley's concern for the Gurkhas was because her dad's connexion with them in Burma during WW2.My Dad also fought bravely in Burma. British and Indian troops did not sit back and let the Gurkhas do all the fighting.However Joanna Lumley seems not to care about the surviving "Chindits" or their widows, only the Gurkhas.By the way my dad had a very low opinion of officers at that time, apart from Wingate. Tue 05 Jan 2010 10:40:47 GMT+1 DoctorDolots http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=31#comment31 25. Sindy - I have no idea, I don't read rags like the Mail. When exactly have the Gurkhas 'supported the British taxpayers and their families'? I've always thought they were mercenaries who initially helped the British Raj put down the Indian mutiny and have been employed ever since to do the British state's dirty work. If you think, like Lumley, that we should patronise these 'plucky little warriors' her father commanded, then I must disagree. Their stature doesn't change the fact that they are foreign mercenaries. Paid for and pensioned for their work. Tue 05 Jan 2010 10:40:38 GMT+1 lucien desgai http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=30#comment30 25 SindyIn the same way that Blackwater gave support to hard-pressed Americans. Tue 05 Jan 2010 10:38:13 GMT+1 davmcn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=29#comment29 ld 20, At least I didn't paint it pink with the handle still straight. Tue 05 Jan 2010 10:37:53 GMT+1 DoctorDolots http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=28#comment28 I think the overblown reaction to snow on the part of the media is because they are almost exclusively under thirty so have never experienced a proper winter. I heard one this morning decribe a mild bit of snow falling behind her as 'this extreme weather', and 'cold snap' is a favourite phrase. Meanwhile, the BBC appears to think that the snow is in Yorkshire at present [10.30] and will be arriving in Wales and the Welsh Borders this afternoon; when it's actually been snowing here for the last hour. Tue 05 Jan 2010 10:36:31 GMT+1 davmcn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=27#comment27 Ln 7, Sent a picture yet?Ln 12, And Snorbenites take day trips to France.Ln 17, What about the Social and Liberal Democrats? Tue 05 Jan 2010 10:35:45 GMT+1 Stewart_M http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=26#comment26 Re General Election. That is going to be sometime before June. A passing comment on a radio 4 news/current affairs programme (possibly sunday)said that; a legal quirk means election can't be before March. Why is that? Tue 05 Jan 2010 10:34:15 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=25#comment25 Looternite - the policy was fine - Kennedy had forgotten it. Tue 05 Jan 2010 10:33:57 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=24#comment24 DD - I assume this is in the Daily Mail. Anyway - the Gurkhas supported the hard-pressed British taxpayers and their families, so it seems fair that we should support them. Tue 05 Jan 2010 10:33:00 GMT+1 DoctorDolots http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=23#comment23 Now we see the result of Lumley's deranged, patronising campaign to give Nepalese mercenaries the right to come here. While they were among the more affluent in Nepal with their army pensions, they are now arriving with nothing and expecting the hard-pressed British taxpayers to support them and their families. Will Lumley be contributing to this cost? Tue 05 Jan 2010 10:29:13 GMT+1 The Intermittent Horse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=22#comment22 Looternite (17) - It’s not just a Lib Dem thing. When Liam Byrne (Labour) and Philip Hammond (Tory) were on Newsnight last night, all they wanted to do was criticise the others’ policy and avoid talking about their own. Not entirely their fault – it’s what our media’s type of political coverage encourages. We’ll be well used to it by the time of the election. Tue 05 Jan 2010 10:24:50 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=21#comment21 #19. SindyWhy is it that I remember Kennedy falling apart when he was being grilled by the media about who would pay for some policy or other. Tue 05 Jan 2010 10:21:49 GMT+1 RxKaren http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=20#comment20 Lady Sue - It's disappearing as soon as it's laid. Householders on the scary hilly bit to work are also too worried to attempt to clear the ice on the path in front of their house in case someone injures themselves and sues - they believe it's the Council's job. I heard this from a dog walker. A couple of us did try to clear part of the road and path in our close - we were joined by some others after a while(including a lady with the spade from her child's bucket and spade set!) but rain then fell onto frozen surfaces overnight and everything seemed worse than if we hadn't bothered!Suffolk County Council have done a really good job of keeping most of the major routes and community bus routes open - the problem is the minor roads, side roads and pavements. We don't even have grit boxes like you used to see in my childhood in Essex where the community can start to throw some grit down while the gritters are still trying to get through.My Dad still lives in deepest Essex and he says the roads around him are brilliant - the farmers and the Council between them have kept the roads and paths wonderfully clear. Unfortunately I live too close to work to realistically get snowed out. I'm too determined to get home to get snowed in at work - that would be a living nightmare! Tue 05 Jan 2010 10:14:54 GMT+1 lucien desgai http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=19#comment19 RxK / Lady Sue: Dav has a shovel you could borrow. Tue 05 Jan 2010 10:09:10 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=18#comment18 Looternite - your memory is faulty. The Lib Dems usually get top marks from the financial commentators for fully costed and explained manifestos. Tue 05 Jan 2010 10:07:38 GMT+1 Lady_Sue http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=17#comment17 RxK, can you shovel some up from the road to the pavement in a community effort? Tue 05 Jan 2010 10:03:03 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=16#comment16 #15. The Intermittent HorseFrom what I remember of the Liberal and then Lib/Dem party is that they prefer not to discuss in too much detail of their policies as it becomes embarrasingly picked apart. Tue 05 Jan 2010 10:00:18 GMT+1 RxKaren http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=15#comment15 Hi Big Sis! (5) *waves back*Can I also add that I am officially really bored of our snow now. The novelty has really worn off. I still want to hear about it at 5.57 - I just don't want endless analysis of why we can't cope in the UK with more than an inch of snow. Having said that, in the spirit of Yes/No I would like to know if it is true that paths (apparently) aren't getting gritted because the new gritters are more efficient and deliver more of the load to the roads. It's no consolation as I slither down the hill to work but it would answer a question. Just Yes or No though, not endless analysis... Tue 05 Jan 2010 09:54:57 GMT+1 The Intermittent Horse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=14#comment14 Looternite - I can't agree. It seems to me that it is the media and commentators that are obsessed by the possibility of a hung parliament and keep asking the Lib Dems what they would do in the event. I think the Lib Dems would like the opportunity to talk about something other than this. In the run-up to the elections, I'm just as likely to get hacked off with the commentators and media as I am with the politicians. Tue 05 Jan 2010 09:54:49 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=13#comment13 Another election where Labour or Tory policies are costed and discussed in detail and the Lib/Dems... discuss possibility of a hung parliament and who they would prefer to support. Tue 05 Jan 2010 09:47:29 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=12#comment12 11. SindyGreat idea, you are right these tunes take up lot a time. Although in my mind was Dr Who theme tune. Tue 05 Jan 2010 09:41:05 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=11#comment11 #8. Big SisterThanks, I am now old enough for a bus pass and the first journey will be a day trip to St Albans. Tue 05 Jan 2010 09:37:00 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=10#comment10 Looternite - instead of a theme tune, we could just have the Enterprise doors opening and shutting - you know, 'fffffwwwwt'. (A theme tune might take too much time.) Tue 05 Jan 2010 09:36:11 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=9#comment9 Labour claim to be rather like the Lib Dems after all, following Cameron's assertion that the Tories and the Lib Dems have much in common. Which means (if true) that essentially they're all pretty much the same. Now, it may suit them to have us think that - but a large part of PM's job over the next five months must be not to let them get away with it. Tue 05 Jan 2010 09:33:56 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=8#comment8 It is 350 years since the Royal Society was established. Therefore, I suggest that a slot is begun on PM, similar to Upshares/Downshares, whereby "blue sky" scientific research items from the past 350 years is discussed and how this pure research eventually led to our modern age. I know this would be difficult for the arty luvvies at Radio 4 but a guest scientist could explain to all the sciencephobes that modern life could not exist without science.It’s about time PM treated science properly and not just the Daily Mail attitude; does this cause cancer/ or cure cancer, style of science reporting.There could even be a theme tune. Tue 05 Jan 2010 09:33:25 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=7#comment7 Happy Birthday, Mr. Luton ;o) Tue 05 Jan 2010 09:12:07 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=6#comment6 There are too many PM Art Galleries, can't PM set up just one gallery. Tue 05 Jan 2010 09:02:31 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=5#comment5 All this talk of "Supermarket Ombudsman" If the farmers are getting such a bad deal, why not Fairtrade for British farmers.The system is there already and the supermarkets can be "ethical" by supplying fairtrade local products. Tue 05 Jan 2010 08:59:55 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=4#comment4 I'm for a Yes/No interlude, though we'd need to find a replacement for Michael Miles ;o)How lovely to see both Joe and Karen here this morning *friendly waves* Tue 05 Jan 2010 08:57:47 GMT+1 RxKaren http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=3#comment3 FJD(3) I bet none of them would agree to a "Yes/No" challenge on their policies now, even if they were offered an opportunity to expand their answers afterwards. It would be nice to see the politicians' "Shades of Grey" described in terms of whether they are closer to black or white. Tue 05 Jan 2010 08:10:37 GMT+1 funnyJoedunn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=2#comment2 Yes, we are in for months of not hearing what we want to hear! Tue 05 Jan 2010 07:36:35 GMT+1 funnyJoedunn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=1#comment1 I think you can learn as much about the politics and politicians of this country by what they DON'T say...not by what they want us to hear. Tue 05 Jan 2010 07:35:16 GMT+1 duvinrouge http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2010/01/am_glass_box_29.shtml?page=0#comment0 With the election campaign starting are you:a. Going to get caught in the Westminster bubble, orb. Find ways to get across your listeners apathy/contempt with politicians?Unfortunately, I expect a. & will be switching to Radio's 2 & 3 as soon as I hear a politican preaching. Tue 05 Jan 2010 06:52:14 GMT+1