Comments for en-gb 30 Sat 20 Sep 2014 15:22:40 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at Galahad "Dietitian" is a protected title in the UK, and may only be used by appropriately trained professionals. Advice given by a Dietitian is generally reliable and science-based.Anybody can refer to themselves as a "Nutritional Therapist", however - and many do. Some have no relevant qualifications, many have qualifications which look impressive at first sight, but are actually useless diplomas handed out by quack organisations such as "The Institute for Optimum Nutrition" have no scientific basis. Some (such as Gillian McKeith) invent qualifications to cover the fact that they have only undertaken completely unaccredited courses.The advice given by many (I would argue most) "nutritional therapists" is misleading, not based on reliable research and often with the intention of promoting supplements which are unnecessary for the majority of the population.As a good introduction to these issues, I would recommend:Ben Goldacre (2009) Bad Science. Harper Perennial press. (£8.99 from all good bookshops, and an excellent read!) Mon 03 May 2010 18:35:53 GMT+1 Sveta Pitchka This post has been Removed Mon 03 May 2010 16:15:44 GMT+1 Lady_Sue Sveta@54, For information, though I don't really know why I'm bothering, I have two very much older brothers and, due to this age difference, I am only 12 years older than one of my doctor nephews. The other I referred to is a nephew by marriage and is, in fact, 12 years older than me. @64: There was a report on 'The World This Weekend' about how female newsreaders are viewed once they get older and a comment was made about 'ingrained misogyny' in our society. That you are female makes your comment all the more deplorable. Sun 03 Jan 2010 15:05:44 GMT+1 lucien desgai 66 BigSis... unless you're a quack - then you just call yourself a registered chronological practitioner and make up your own hours and minutes. Sun 03 Jan 2010 00:50:42 GMT+1 Big Sister And there was me thinking there were only 60 minutes in an hour .... This one seems to be going on forever! ;o) Sun 03 Jan 2010 00:37:52 GMT+1 Sindy GDC - I wasn't talking to you. Sat 02 Jan 2010 22:03:12 GMT+1 Sveta Pitchka @lady sue, I am a female. Not all women need the title 'lady' to prove their sex! Sat 02 Jan 2010 21:13:06 GMT+1 lucien desgai 58 GeedeeseaI did highlight the fact that the study was only of sub-group of the population. It was indeed of post-menopausal women and not of all women. That was an accidental omission on my part, I wasn't trying to mislead or confuse anyone. It was nevertheless a study of a very large group within a very large proportion of the population that found convincing evidence that multivitamin use has little or no influence on the risk of common cancers, CVD, or total mortality in postmenopausal womenI think if you read through the thread you will see that I've tried to understand and directly address the points which Sveta has raised, even though someof my own points (regarding superfoods and my doctor's advice) have been either misread or misunderstood. I recall that in other threads you have argued against substituting hocus-pocus for science so I am a bit perplexed about your position in this debate. Sat 02 Jan 2010 20:32:49 GMT+1 GeeDeeSea @ Lady Sue #51"You've "met hundreds of doctors"? Well, colour me purple. Maybe you were at a vitamin pill convention?"Or maybe Sveta Pitchka is a health professional who has met hundreds of doctors? Didn't you read #23? Sat 02 Jan 2010 20:28:08 GMT+1 Lady_Sue GDS@59: I don't think so! Look at the subsequent comments. He makes cheap jibes, which are both ageist and sexist.Mine were not in the least churlish. Sat 02 Jan 2010 20:24:56 GMT+1 Lady_Sue Sveta: "@ lady sue... Antioxidants can help delay the signs of aging, might be a good tip for one who has grown up nephews!"What kind of low, sexist, ageist comment is that? What, you think that women who are "older" need help with anti-aging 'snake oil' potions? I have absolutely no problems at all about who I am or my age - which, I might point out, you have absolutely no idea of! Laughable! Your comment totally discredits anything you have said before by showing you to be so very shallow and superficial. You lose. Eat a banana and go to bed early. There's a good lad. Sat 02 Jan 2010 20:21:47 GMT+1 GeeDeeSea @Lady Sue #52"Give up. You lose."What a churlish thing to say! Sat 02 Jan 2010 20:17:26 GMT+1 GeeDeeSea @ lucien desgai #46"This study - of over 100,000 women - directly contradicts your opinion, at least as far as women are concerned (men weren't part of the study)."Nor was it representative of women. From the abstract: Therefore, we decided to examine associations between multivitamin use and risk of cancer, CVD, and mortality in postmenopausal women.'Postmenopausal women.' So your statement is incorrect straight away. It does not directly contradict Sveta Pitchka's opinion. You've missed the point, suggest you read again what Sveta has written. Sat 02 Jan 2010 20:14:26 GMT+1 GeeDeeSea @Sindy #37"I'd say if you're qualified to think I might need a second opinion without seeing me ..."What were you trying to say? Do you know - or have you forgotten? Sat 02 Jan 2010 19:56:39 GMT+1 lucien desgai 54 SPIncidentally .. the USDA publishes its dietary advice every five years, it was last updated in 2005 so it won't incorporate the latest research. Sat 02 Jan 2010 19:35:26 GMT+1 lucien desgai 54 SPAll food is toxic to some degree. The point is to weigh up the health benefits and disbenefits of different foods and determine a sensible diet.Fruit and vegetables are of course healthy but the disease fighting claims made of antioxidants have been shown in all recent research not to be true. Scientists believe that there are also harms associated with the excessive ingestion of antioxidants. Sat 02 Jan 2010 19:23:58 GMT+1 Sveta Pitchka @ lucien desgai... Antioxidants cannot be separated from plant foods and vitamins. So, whether you like it or not, you are taking antioxidants into your body either in a natural or supplement form. Best way to avoid them (so to avoid a harmful overdose) is to eat meat only. No fruit, veg, lentils and supplements. FYI the USDA also recommended in 2007 that we should consume between 3000 and 5000 ORAC units per day (antioxidants). @ lady sue... Antioxidants can help delay the signs of aging, might be a good tip for one who has grown up nephews! Sat 02 Jan 2010 19:12:16 GMT+1 lucien desgai 48 SPThe links you give all reference research from the 1990s. The point is that all of the most recent and extensive research shows that the previously assumed benefits of antioxidants do not actually exist ... and even that there may be some harm associated with antioxidants, particularly at high levels. All the links I gave are/reference scientific research from the last five years.As well as failing to understand my point about candy floss and tree bark (thank you Lady Sue!) you also misunderstood my post (41) about the advice from my doctor. He advised that I might take a basic multi-vit only if I really couldn't maintain a sensible and balanced diet ... not in addition to it. I thought that was clear in my earlier post. Sat 02 Jan 2010 18:41:02 GMT+1 Lady_Sue Oh and... I don't think lucien was suggesting "eating tree bark"! He merely pointed out how ludicrous it was to compare an apple to a piece of bread and claim the apple was, by comparison, a superfood. Give up. You lose. Eat fruit and fibre and jettison those pills. Sat 02 Jan 2010 18:02:36 GMT+1 Lady_Sue Sveta: "I have met many hundreds of doctors who supplement their diet with vitamin pills". You've "met hundreds of doctors"? Well, colour me purple. Besides two of my nephews being doctors, I have many doctor friends and have been the patient of several but I would be hard pressed to say I've "met hundreds" let alone any who "supplement their diet with vitamin pills". Most that I know would suggest the daily banana. Maybe you were at a vitamin pill convention? Sat 02 Jan 2010 17:59:25 GMT+1 Sveta Pitchka @ SINDY... I am more inclined to trust in nutritional data from the USDA rather than from the Guardian newspaper. Sat 02 Jan 2010 17:44:05 GMT+1 Sindy Sveta - did you miss this bit from Lucien's 44?"But, despite the fact that antioxidant vitamin supplements are of no value or may even increase death rates, because the marketing industry is in full stride, the best evidence has passed unnoticed." Sat 02 Jan 2010 17:36:43 GMT+1 Sveta Pitchka @ Lucien Desgai... All these links from someone who only days ago, suggested eating candy floss and tree bark. Oh well, at least you've proved that you can use a search engine. In your own words 'multivitamin supplement couldn't do any harm and might plug some gaps'... This is exactly what I am saying 'One of the main reasons why health professionals (including doctors) recommend the use of a multivitamin is because, as we go through life, our bodies will constantly change and with it our dietary needs. It's an efficient safeguard against these changes'.So, at least we are agreed on some things. A healthy diet is key and vitamin tablets can be taken as a SUPPLEMENT to plug some gaps. Hurray... we are getting somewhere!At least you're not a complete quack, like the Professor interviewed by Eddie, who said antioxidants play no role in the body whatsoever!Now here's some serious research into antioxidants carried out by the USDA (one of the world's most reliable sources of nutrient data). Sat 02 Jan 2010 16:59:46 GMT+1 Sindy Lucien - but what happens to the charlatans and snake oil salesmen? How can they earn a living if they can't peddle their wares to the foolish? (Have you tried Gillian McKeith's vibrating algae, by the way? Very good* by all accounts.)*not actually true, sorry. Sat 02 Jan 2010 16:52:41 GMT+1 lucien desgai 39 SvetaThis study - of over 100,000 women - directly contradicts your opinion, at least as far as women are concerned (men weren't part of the study). are the conclusions of a proper scientific paper, published in a respected journal. Sat 02 Jan 2010 15:06:05 GMT+1 Lady_Sue GM, thanks for yours. Was just about to comment that our bodies need much more than just vitamins. Sat 02 Jan 2010 13:40:06 GMT+1 lucien desgai also interesting (and in a bit more depth) on antioxidants ... Sat 02 Jan 2010 13:05:13 GMT+1 lucien desgai Interesting Guardian article on the topic of 'superfoods' ... Sat 02 Jan 2010 13:00:48 GMT+1 gossipmistress Lady Sue (38) exactly. And the balanced diet also has the benefits of including all the soluble fibre which is important too. Sat 02 Jan 2010 12:49:37 GMT+1 lucien desgai 40 SPMy doctor has advised me to maintain a sensible, balanced diet - not deficient in any major food groups or nutrients but not going overboard on any particular food or compound. He advised that if I really couldn't maintain such a diet then a basic multivitamin supplement couldn't do any harm and might plug some gaps. He specifically cautioned me against high dosage vitamin tablets which he said are often pointless (the body excretes excess vitamin C for example) and can be harmful. That, as I understand it, is the common view of most doctors and accords with the advice given on the NHS website. Sat 02 Jan 2010 12:43:47 GMT+1 Sveta Pitchka I have met many hundreds of doctors who supplement their diet with vitamin pills. For example, in the winter months our body often need more vitamin C. Eating dozens of oranges is not feasible for many people. So a supplement just makes sense.... Or we could also get a massive dose of vitamin C from goji berries! Sat 02 Jan 2010 12:22:26 GMT+1 Sveta Pitchka @Lady Sue, I don't remember Gurpareet advising anyone to supplement their diet with vitamin pills either.However my opinion remains the same... One of the main reasons why health professionals (including doctors) recommend the use of a multivitamin is because, as we go through life, our bodies will constantly change and with it our dietary needs. It's an efficient safeguard against these changes. Sat 02 Jan 2010 12:19:50 GMT+1 Lady_Sue Svetka, my doctor has never advised me to take vitamin pills either. I do not accept that "doctors, nutritionists and health professionals" advise taking over-the-counter pills when a decent diet is infinitely more sensible and avoids unnecessary expense. Sat 02 Jan 2010 11:23:56 GMT+1 Sindy I'd say if you're qualified to think I might need a second opinion without seeing me ... Fri 01 Jan 2010 22:07:53 GMT+1 Sveta Pitchka @ Sindy... I'd have to see you in person... Fri 01 Jan 2010 20:53:41 GMT+1 Sindy OK Dr Pitchka - what do you think's wrong with me? Fri 01 Jan 2010 20:25:07 GMT+1 Sveta Pitchka @Sindy... Perhaps you need a second opinion? Fri 01 Jan 2010 19:17:56 GMT+1 Sindy My doctor has never advised me to take vitamin pills. Fri 01 Jan 2010 18:27:25 GMT+1 Sveta Pitchka @ Lady Sue... So, according to your comments, we should all go against the advice of doctors, nutritionists and health professionals, by stopping taking vitamin pills. Great news for the New Year! And, maybe we should even stop eating healthy, replacing cinnamon bark with candy floss? Fri 01 Jan 2010 17:55:22 GMT+1 Lady_Sue I am very confident, Riz, thankyou and one doesn't need a medical degree to know that taking vitamins would be unnecessary if one had a decent diet. Presumably a "nutritional expert" should know how to do this and, one who takes vitamin supplements is by that very fact a tiny bit suspect. Sveta, I have no problem batting with Lucien! Nor do I have any problems making comments online. Why do you think I should? Fri 01 Jan 2010 17:16:31 GMT+1 Sveta Pitchka @lad sue... You said earlier 'I'm with lucien on all his comments'... Perhaps as a New Year resolution, you should decide who to bat for, before making comments online. Fri 01 Jan 2010 16:02:25 GMT+1 Riz @Lady Sue - Dear Lady Sue, I was following your comments, and I see you are quite confident about the statements you make. Would you mind to state on what basis do you make these, i.e. are you a 'doctor' of some kind too, or a 'layman'? Fri 01 Jan 2010 15:57:13 GMT+1 Lady_Sue Sveta: no it isn't preposterous. You are so wrong. How can a a nutritional "expert" advocate the use of vitamin supplements? Ridiculous in the extreme! The only thing sales of vitamin pills is good for is the revenue of Boots and Holland and Barrat. Oh, and it's "doctors" not "Doctor's" btw. Oh, and further to the above, Lucien is the candyfloss expert so I'll leave your comment regarding same to him. Thu 31 Dec 2009 21:38:52 GMT+1 Sveta Pitchka @ Lady Sue... Even chewing tree bark is a far more complex matter than what it was made out to be earlier. For, if the bark is from the Cassia tree, then it's a very powerful antioxidant indeed, and therefore it's most definitely more nutritious than candyfloss. Cassia contains almost 260,000 ORAC units per 100 gram as opposed to candy floss which contains zero. Thu 31 Dec 2009 19:48:53 GMT+1 Sveta Pitchka @ Lady Sue... from reading your comments, it appears that you're comparing chemists and health food shops to witch doctors - just because they 'peddle' vitamin supplements! So, are we all to believe that the goods we supplied by the likes of Boots, and Holland and Barrat to be fit only for Mickey Mouse? This is preposterous! One of the main reasons why health professionals (including Doctor's) recommend the use of a multivitamin is because, as we go through life, our bodies will constantly change and with it our dietary needs. It's an efficient safeguard against these changes. Thu 31 Dec 2009 19:39:57 GMT+1 Lady_Sue Riz@18: sorry but I do. I am most certainly not casting aspersions on anyone in the medical profession but if you are a nutritional "expert" then surely you should be recommending eating a 'sensible diet' of natural foods that will give you all the vitamins, minerals, protein, carbs and whatever else we need rather than topping up with pills? To claim to be a nutritional expert and then say you take vitamin supplements strikes me as contradictory. If you did the first efficiently, you wouldn't need the second.As far as I know, taking vitamin supplements is a bit 'Mickey Mouse' if you have a good diet. You simply 'pee out' what you don't need. I'm afraid I believe peddlers of vitamin supplements to be little better than 'snake oil' witch doctors. I'm with lucien on all his comments. Thu 31 Dec 2009 18:41:40 GMT+1 lucien desgai 23 SvetaI don't know to which 'cancer bulletin' you refer but as a 'health professional' I think you should make it clear that nutritional therapists do not offer cures for cancer. Thu 31 Dec 2009 18:11:43 GMT+1 Sveta Pitchka I am a health professional, and I first read about Gurpareet's work in our cancer bulletin at work. What he does, is put together ordinary foods in extraordinary combinations to maximise their health benefits. I wish there was a lot more support for people just like him, so that we didn’t have such a drain of talent to the U.S. and to the USDA. Thu 31 Dec 2009 18:03:43 GMT+1 Riz @ 21 Riz - Well, Gurpareet does also advise drinking in moderation, or not drinking at all. He's only trying to help those who DO end up intaking a lot of alcohol in this festive season, and then suffering from a hangover. The professor uses If you're not ready to try this one out, then it's best not to comment on what the effects would be presumably.And by the way, it seems you toggle between the words 'nutritional therapist' and 'chef' how, and when, they suit your argument. Thu 31 Dec 2009 17:47:36 GMT+1 lucien desgai 20 RizI do drink, and when I used to drink a bit more than I do now I tried quite a few vitamin based hangover avoidance methods. The result was the same every time ... a stinking hangover. The real professional - the university professor - gave the advice that the only way to avoid a hangover is not to drink. I won't be heeding his advice, but I'm more inclined to believe his word on this subject than that of a chef. Thu 31 Dec 2009 15:12:21 GMT+1 Riz @ 19 Lucien Desgai - I suppose you do drink, right? If you do, I suggest you try it out for yourself, instead of presuming and assuming that the claims made by the nutritional therapist are baseless. I think, being a professional that he is, Gurpareet would not make the claim, had he not tested it a few times himself, and probably had his friends test it too.If you drink, then you must try it; tonight's a great night to try. And if you don't drink, then I don't see a point of us discussing it anyways, and let the people who suffer from hangovers 'twice a week' decide for themselves. Thu 31 Dec 2009 14:45:55 GMT+1 lucien desgai 18 RizI have a poor diet, I don't regularly eat the 5-a-day fruit and veg and I spend little time (and have little skill in) preparing food. I do take a standard supermarket vitamin supplement which has the recommended allowances of the key nutritional compounds. That daily tablet may or may not mitigate some of the long-term effects of my dietary laziness but it only costs a couple of quid a month and is unlikely to cause me any harm.That is a world away from recommending extreme high doses of vitamins and superfoods as a cure or preventative for disease (with little or no proper supporting science) ... and from the absurd suggestion that by packing alcoholic cocktails with particular foods it's possible to avert a hangover. Thu 31 Dec 2009 14:35:55 GMT+1 Riz @Lady Sue - My father's a doctor for over 35 years with patients spanning 4 generations, and has been practising for over 25 years in the same locality. He suggests taking vitamin supplement tablets. Please check before you make any comment about someone's professional performance. I personally do not see a problem if a nutritional therapist has supplement vitamins. Thu 31 Dec 2009 14:14:33 GMT+1 Lady_Sue Thanks GDS. Do we presume they are an organisation of integrity?Gurpareet, do you have any affiliations with the UK Dept. of Ag.? Tue 29 Dec 2009 20:14:28 GMT+1 GeeDeeSea @Lady Sue #15USDA is the US Department of Agriculture, though the blogger may also have meant the USFDA, the US Food and Drug Administration. Either could have issued dietary recommendations. Tue 29 Dec 2009 19:37:42 GMT+1 Lady_Sue lucien, precisely! You hit the candyfloss on the head. Frankly I would have expected something a little more 'scientific' from a specialist. Trying to keep an open mind. Do you suppose the reference to "not rocket science" was rocket, as in salad rather than space-ship? BTW: I can't imagine Cookie pressing lime juice for his sailors on the poop deck, can you? You know that eating limes (and oranges, not the only fruits) led to the British being known as 'limies' in some quarters (no pun intended) in the colonies?What is the USDA? Tue 29 Dec 2009 18:52:01 GMT+1 lucien desgai 13 Lady_SueAnd on Gurpareet's logic .... take a stick of candyfloss and a piece of tree bark. The candyfloss is more nutritious than the tree bark hence the candyfloss could be considered a superfood when measured up to the tree bark. I'm getting hungry just thinking about it. Tue 29 Dec 2009 15:58:46 GMT+1 Lady_Sue Gurpareet, I am very surprised that someone who's job is nutrition would take vitamin supplements. Surely if you eat a good, sensible diet there is no need for them? Aren't they a bit superfluous? 'Superfood' is surely just a buzz word, as illustrated by your example. I can't think of an apple as a 'superfood' - it's just an apple! Tue 29 Dec 2009 15:48:51 GMT+1 Gurpareet The 'Professor' also claimed that it's possible to overdose on antioxidants. Considering a bowl of lentils contains over 200% RDA antioxidants, have you ever heard a case of lentil overdose? Eddie, you had better get me back on air so that I can fight my corner! Tue 29 Dec 2009 06:49:18 GMT+1 Gurpareet I am a chef/nutrirional therapist who has been writing about food for many years. What matters to me is all about food. Apart from the multivitamin tablet I take in the morning, I have no other concern with supplements! If you were listening last week, you may also recall the 'Professor' claiming that antioxidants have been 'proven' to play an unbeneficial role in our bodies. That is utter nonsense. So, why is it the USDA advises us to consume between 3000-5000 ORAC units of antioxidants per day for optimal health? Surely the USDA is a more reliable authority on the subject matter than either the 'Professor' or myself?Gurpareet Tue 29 Dec 2009 06:36:18 GMT+1 lucien desgai 9 GurpareetIf you're not a 'supplement salesman' then how exactly do you earn your living? Mon 28 Dec 2009 23:12:13 GMT+1 Gurpareet Hello Eddie,I am writing in response to the comments made by a 'Professor' you had on air, the day after Cocktail Hour on Tuesday 22 December for which I was a guest. Firstly, I would like to state that I am not a supplement salesman as suggested by the 'Professor', I am a nutritional therapist, which means I am qualified to advise on nutritional matters. By making me out to be something that I am not, the 'Professor' is acting in a libellous manner! There is no need for amateurish banter, particularly from an ‘esteemed Professor’. Second, it's irresponsible to say there are no such foods as superfoods... In a nutshell, superfoods are foods that are more beneficial for the nutritional needs of our body when compared to others. Take for example an apple and a slice of white bread; does the 'Professor' not agree with me, that the apple is more nutritious than the bread? Hence the apple could be considered a superfood when measured up to the bread. The ‘Professor’ can also be considered to be grossly negligent by diminishing the importance of antioxidants which of course are also known as vitamins that are essential for our fundamental all round health. Am I the only one who has come across scurvy, caused by vitamin C deficiency? Back in history, Captain Cook succeeded in avoiding scurvy altogether by giving his sailors lime juice on voyages. The practice was later adapted by the British Navy.What I talk about is not rocket science, so there is no need to try and blast it out of the water. My work is based on sound scientific research from both Universities and the USDA. I think the ‘Professor’ needs to move on with the times, since we are fast approaching the end of the first decade of the new millennium. Here’s cheers to the ‘Professor’! Gurpareet Mon 28 Dec 2009 22:40:23 GMT+1 davmcn GN 4, Probably knitted by the person who did the Knitivity Scene. Wed 23 Dec 2009 17:00:02 GMT+1 davmcn ln 2, I remember a radio chat show in Cleveland that was presented in the nude. Once, that is. Wed 23 Dec 2009 16:39:19 GMT+1 Stewart_M And how was the hangover this morning? Wed 23 Dec 2009 12:02:34 GMT+1 GeeDeeSea So, Chris Moyles makes cocktails as well. Wed 23 Dec 2009 11:59:43 GMT+1 GiulioNapolitani Quality knitwear there. Wed 23 Dec 2009 11:56:57 GMT+1 Lady_Sue Great to have some photos. He was wearing a Santa hat! Wed 23 Dec 2009 11:12:44 GMT+1 Looternite Following on from steelpulse above.Perhaps the BBC can have a dress up for Christmas week.The announcers and presenters dressed up properly. Wed 23 Dec 2009 10:06:03 GMT+1 steelpulse Eddie - those photos - apart from the drinking. I often feel we have lost something with the mode of attire of say Alice and newsreaders. Was it the late Lord Reith who set the original standards of what we radio listeners visualise whilst said newsreaders are allegedly slurring their way through particular news bulletins. Alvar Liddell did the voiceover on that old Dads Army - the movie on BBC2 last night. And I bet the late voice of the Beeb was still dressed in his best bib and tucker when he voiced his pieces for that film. Who do I think I am kidding Mr Mair? No offence, Mr Flanagan or you Eddie. lolSubject: This is what peace of Earth REALLY means Anagram: The American lawyers hopeless at faith Nice jumper, Ms Miles Wed 23 Dec 2009 09:15:02 GMT+1