Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml en-gb 30 Thu 25 Dec 2014 13:10:08 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml Lady_Sue http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=98#comment50 backspaceAnne "probably ok if it's just one person and a few sticks". Anne (and others above), sadly in my experience it isn't ever "just one person and a few sticks". If those of you above are really using only wood to fire your stoves you will know, only too well, how much wood is required to get any proper heat. I'm not talking 'ornamental' wood burning stoves here. If you go onto someone else's land (Sunday or any other day) and take wood that, put simply, is theft. Tue 08 Dec 2009 18:39:06 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=96#comment49 Preston, I think you may be right - so the u would become luor even ulHm. Tue 08 Dec 2009 17:42:29 GMT+1 U14138029 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=94#comment48 Big Sis - If you were making an anagram of 'steelpulse sigh' and came up with 'sheet' and 'pigless', you should have two letters left over.Now, if I've miscounted, I'm going to look very stupid!Subject Big SisterAnagram Rig is best. Tue 08 Dec 2009 17:06:20 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=92#comment47 Suddenly been informed that my no. 10 above had been removed (I was unaware). Apparently it was likely to cause offence. I don't quite know how. The first part read:Steelpulse. Sigh. In the tradition of Steelpulse, I proffer an anagram.There then followed an anagram of Steelpulse sigh.I worked hard to make an anagram that wouldn't offend. I used the word 'sheet' (offensive?) and a word meaning 'without a pig'. There was one letter left over - u - which I couldn't fit in anywhere. And I was referred. Mad! Mad!Anyway, I'm tempted, in future, every time steelpulse puts in an anagram, to refer his/her posts just to see where the boundaries lie. Though, quite frankly, life is too short. Tue 08 Dec 2009 16:39:17 GMT+1 Lepus_Madidus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=90#comment46 The HTPCT report with Dr KH and budgetary constraints 'Save £100K'? But we can give bonuses to the Borders Agency for nin performance?How does that fit with what Brown was saying last night about naming and shaming those that waste taxpayers money?It's more important to reward the Borders Agency than have Doctors in deprived areas of London? Stripping Doctors out of children's hospitals squares with outlawing child poverty?They pay our money and take our choices? 'Joined up government'? Tue 08 Dec 2009 16:36:33 GMT+1 Lepus_Madidus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=88#comment45 # 39, Hawk 'Bullying is rife in the NHS'? Sounds like the public sector all over? Don't some of these public sector organisations have annual surveys where employees rate the employer and manager? What's the point when Managers bash employees with threats of unemployment?Thatcher may have helped the decline of the cohesive society, but 12 years of New Labour hasn't changed 'each man for himself' or visibly reduced blame culture has it?Are the Managers bullying the staff just like everyone else with mortgages and pensions to pay for, and little different in that regard from Snake Oil vendors or the gambling addicted banksters? Tue 08 Dec 2009 16:31:08 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=86#comment44 Working class lives not worth as much as toffs either. Tue 08 Dec 2009 16:28:42 GMT+1 Lepus_Madidus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=84#comment43 Iraqi lives not worth as much as our either. :( Tue 08 Dec 2009 16:23:44 GMT+1 GotToTheEnd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=82#comment42 hte=theCopenhagen:Leaked report, rich countrries ganging up on poor.Well, hold the front page.The histroy of the world in a headline.Actually it's in Nick Stern's report - Bangladeshi lives not worth as much as ours. Tue 08 Dec 2009 16:13:40 GMT+1 GotToTheEnd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=80#comment41 hte = the as per usual for this LHer.(Couldn't get a Homer Simpson's neighbour left hand keyboard) Tue 08 Dec 2009 15:40:01 GMT+1 GotToTheEnd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=78#comment40 45 minutes.As is now well known, it meant the source was testing his interlocutor's knowledge of Iraq or was blatently pulling plonkers, bearding the British lion in his denIt was a bitter reality in Iraqi history and folk memory that Bomber Harris, he of Dresden and other bombing obliterations, had boasted that he could bomb any insugent Iraqi VILLAGE in 45 minutes.'45 minutes' was like 'Let them eat cake'. It said it all about hte Britsih. Still does. Tue 08 Dec 2009 15:37:15 GMT+1 GotToTheEnd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=76#comment39 I take it back about Chilcott and WMD.They've come back to it.Scarlett appears ot be saying 'No worries, go ahead, invade, they aint got none. But invade 'cos they have'.'This paradox went unnoticed'Well, it wasn't here, bro. Tue 08 Dec 2009 15:25:45 GMT+1 Hawk http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=74#comment38 Just listened to the World @ 1 and the report of bullying at the clinic that dealt with Baby P. I believe that bullying is rife within the NHS. My wife was bullied and several of her colleagues were bullied as well. In the face of gross incompetence by managers and consultants, these upper ranks would always pull together and tell staff lower down the level to get on with their jobs or have no job. This is the reason why they have got away with it for so long, by the threat of unemployment and that they would never work again in the medical sector. Bullying in the NHS does surface in the media from time to time, but usually at the cost of someones health or worse, their life, as in the case of Baby P. The sad thing is that no matter what is done or however it is brought to light, according to the NHS, bullying will be stamped out. Yet we know, that it will never be stamped out. It will ALWAYS exist. :/ Tue 08 Dec 2009 14:55:22 GMT+1 GotToTheEnd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=72#comment37 Someone gets 'halted' by the fuzz leaving the home of a golferThe markets crash.The undustrial sector not growingSir John Scarlett is pretending to Oxford hesitency (here, 'How in awe of you as tribunes of the demos, I am! How unused to these difficult public 'sessions' I am!', rather than the usual 'What a clever clogs I am, having to choose between so many linguistic forms', largely, whetherr it's to be 'Em.' or 'Um' or 'Err') on BBC TV 24 NewsThe climate debate warming upThe AM Glass Box is on fire!Wasn't any follow up, was there, to Scarlett having to claim we thought Hussain would use his WMDs against US-UK invaders!Nice thing about whether the spooks should take over government. They'll have to shove Mervyn and the banksters out the way to do it.My view is that Mervyn is an unelected official with far far far too much influence over a democratically elected government.He is far too interested in power and nowhere near interested emnough in his brief.Inflation is too low in the real economy, spending too little. QDE merely infaltes the FTse. Mervyn should be recommending more government spending. David Cameron is against. It had been thought, when Mervyn's QDE waste of money started, that Dave would be the PM next year. The guv'n'r of the BoE is in the gift of the governemtn.If I were Brown-Darling, I'd sack him. He is too mighty a clerk. They never come back, and it'd be difficult for Dave to find a g'v'n'r who agreed with him about less government spending. Tue 08 Dec 2009 14:51:39 GMT+1 Lepus_Madidus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=70#comment36 Sindy is correct. It was Miliband telling me on the news to trust him on this one.Our lads are fighting in Afghainstan to protect us from people taking photos on the street:http://www.theargus.co.uk/archive/2009/12/01/Local+news+%28general_news%29/4769288.Brighton_photographer_stopped_for_taking__terror__festive_lights_photos/Perhaps PCSOs spend all their time on Facebook and therefore unaware of Flickr and the many local newspaper websites that have areas for readers to upload their photos.Perhaps as we're incapable of doing our own risk assessments it's good we have people like Miliband telling us what to think?http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/8337754.stmWho is more dangerous? Andrew White with his camera or Houria Chahed Chentouf and her bomb making manuals? Tue 08 Dec 2009 14:25:20 GMT+1 GotToTheEnd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=68#comment35 FTSE 100 1.73% [Fall]Index Value: 5,218.66 Trade Time: 1:51PM Change: 92.00 (1.73%) [Fall] Open: 5,310.66Ground Hog Days.I'd better not mention the psychologically important numbers hereIs the Bank in the market, Nils, or has it run out of Quantitative DisEasing Money (it's worrying me, anyway).Winning or losing, how CAN this be a proper way to distribute income and wealth?Let firms be evaluated by competent humble cost accoutants. Stop our industries and the distribution of wealth and income being prizes in a lottery with only the better off minority holding shares and shouting the odds.(PS I thought H was talking a good deal of wonderful sense) Tue 08 Dec 2009 14:21:46 GMT+1 GotToTheEnd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=66#comment34 A. I thought some wood floors were carbon sinks, like peat beds under heather.If so, isn't Peter paying Paul here?B. I got this claim from the link in 14:CARBON DIOXIDE RISE HAS ALWAYS COME AFTER A TEMPERATURE INCREASE NOT BEFORE:ScepticIce-cores dating back nearly one million years show a pattern of temperature and CO2 rise at roughly 100,000-year intervals. But the CO2 rise has always come after the temperature rise, not before, presumably as warmer temperatures have liberated the gas from oceans. CounterThis is largely true, but largely irrelevant. Ancient ice-cores do show CO2 rising after temperature by a few hundred years - a timescale associated with the ocean response to atmospheric changes mainly driven by wobbles in the Earth's orbit. However, this time, CO2 is leading temperature. Furthermore, the situation today is dramatically different. The extra CO2 in the atmosphere (35% increase over pre-industrial levels) is from man-made emissions, and levels are higher than have been seen in 650,000 years of ice-core records. They may in fact be higher than at any time in the last three million years.And this from Sid earlier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vostok-ice-core-petit.pngHey, ho, I'm an egalitarian climate saver along with the best of them, but..........the 'Counter', first counter claim doesn't SEEM right from the link (but note the SCALE on the time axis!!!!).....and since cO2 concentration lags temperature megahistoritcally, and CO2 keeps us warm, I expected to see the sharper sides of the rise and fall triangles, to be on the cooling side. Ie quick temperature rises, then slower falls, slowed by the lagged but growing CO2 concentration. The opposite is true.... and at first sight Counter has difficulties here:http://earthguide.ucsd.edu/globalchange/images/fig11.htmlMeanwhile PLEASE can we not regard Bangladesh as a lost cause. It's expensive to help but in the Equal Society we can afford it. Tue 08 Dec 2009 14:05:16 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=64#comment33 #33. SindySorry, I just copied Lepus_Madidus's spelling. Tue 08 Dec 2009 13:56:47 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=62#comment32 Miliband, by the way. Tue 08 Dec 2009 13:50:48 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=60#comment31 #31. SindyPerhaps it's the Daily Mail, that said that Milliband tells us what to think. Tue 08 Dec 2009 13:49:05 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=58#comment30 Bunny - Radio 4 will certainly be redundant for you, if you think what people tell you to think. But there's no reason for you to do that, is there? Tue 08 Dec 2009 13:41:28 GMT+1 Lepus_Madidus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=56#comment29 Having been told by Milliband what to think last night is Radio 4 now redundant? Or will it be kept going as an official 'thought channel' to ensure that I just think what I am supposed to think? Tue 08 Dec 2009 13:26:08 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=54#comment28 #28 SindyThanks for the link. A great example of low C02 energy. Tue 08 Dec 2009 13:09:11 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=52#comment27 ... and if you want an example on a bigger scale:http://www.westdean.org.uk/Estate/Environment/WoodFiredHeatingSystem.aspx Tue 08 Dec 2009 12:56:19 GMT+1 Crataegus Monogyna http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=50#comment26 Oliver Rackham, one of the Gods of Landscape History, notes that we only started burning coal because we ran short of firewood due to overpopulation....Nobody wanted to use such a filthy stinky clinker-making fuel, unless there was no alternative.Rackham also points out that it wasn't the foundries and their demand for charcoal which destroyed the bulk of our forests, because the foundry areas are today some of the areas most rich in native woodland. Foundries utilised coppicing, which doesn't kill trees, but farmers rooted out trees, thus destroying forests. Tue 08 Dec 2009 12:47:44 GMT+1 Crataegus Monogyna http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=49#comment25 Whoops! coppicingSorry!;-( Tue 08 Dec 2009 12:38:12 GMT+1 Crataegus Monogyna http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=47#comment24 Looter, "All well and good burning foraged dead wood from the hedgerows and woodland.However, isn't dead wood, food and homes for many native species of beetles and over creatures.Nothing in Nature goes to waste."Long ago I enquired of our local Forestry Commission district manager if it would be OK to get firewood from the nextdoor wood. I promised to only take deadwood which would only go to waste otherwise. He responded as above "Nothing goes to waste in Nature." and I said, "That's my line!", being a lifelong Green.He then said, "I'll tell you one thing for nothing - nobody in the Forestry Commission works on Sundays."Anne, as to My son and his SO have two woodstoves, one with backboiler, and both found in skips, along with some good quality enamelled flue. They needed to buy a bit more flue and some copper plumbing and a cylinder, but now the place is perfectly cozy for my wee grandson and they have to take showers in the middle of the night to stop the boiler noisily overdoing it. Sundays are firewood days....And Nick, remember to 'offset' the chainsaw fuel.....;-) Tue 08 Dec 2009 12:36:53 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=45#comment23 #18 & #19 Anne P and #20 skintnickDon't get me wrong wood burning stoves with locally sourced sustainable supplies is one way for reducing C02. However, as Anne points out if too many people switched to wood could the enviroment cope. Also the wood should be sourced locally, not shipped in from Scandinavia or Siberiaas the gains get out weighed by the fossil fuel driven transport.Imagine Hertfordshire, Essex and Kent covered in fast growing pine forests suppling London with wood!I remember reading somewhere that in some places Peasents could gather fallen wood in the landowners woodland on a Sunday afternoon.So get yourself a smock and wood collecting may be your birthright. Tue 08 Dec 2009 12:22:53 GMT+1 jaystar http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=43#comment22 Ultra High Salaries, Bonuses and Tax In formulating a plan to tackle ultra high salaries and bonuses, the chancellor needs a comprehensive tax plan to deal with both the short term and the longer term. It needs to look wider than just the semi-nationalised banks.A limit on Public Sector managers pay at £150K is juxtaposed with discussions about bankers salaries which don’t even talk about salaries of less than £1m. Someone who risks his own money may well make big gains (or losses).Why should an employee or director working with other people’s money expect to take such a large share of the organisation’s profits? Analogy is made with salaries paid by premiership clubs? Is this an example of a business model we want our banks (or any other organisations) to follow?It is claimed high salaries beneficial to the economy because the wealth is recycled. Recycling wealth via the luxury goods or top end property markets is not the best way to do it. Given the chance anyone can recycle wealth.It is said that the Chancellor does not want to introduce a windfall tax on the banks because they need to rebuild their balance sheets. Rebuilding their balance sheets seems to come after paying bonuses in their priorities, so this seems a poor argument. Any personal taxes should apply to all employees, both UK residents and ‘non doms’.Any company taxes should apply to all organisations, not just semi-nationalised banks.It is said that Bankers will leave the country. That’s their right. We shouldn’t interfere with personal freedoms. It is said that Banks will relocate their headquarters abroad. Perhaps they will. Clearly our economy needs to be restructured. This may well be an essential part of the process.The chancellor should deter all organisations from paying these ultra high salaries 1 A ‘one off’ Super tax on all Salaries and bonuses over £500K2 A flat rate percentage payroll tax levied on any salary packages over £500K. 3 Aggregate qualifying remuneration (Salaries above £500K) should require formal shareholders approval. 4 Details of the qualifying salaries should be disclosed in companies’ annual accounts. It is time we realised that the market is not perfect when determining top salaries. We need to manage our economy so that the relationship between top end salaries and average salaries is fair. Tue 08 Dec 2009 12:10:18 GMT+1 skintnick http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=41#comment21 @GeeDeeSea. And - crucially - the half that is left will deplete very quickly because of the effect of net energy: As the energy return on investment gets less and less with remaining reserves harder & harder to extract and of lower quality the price will skyrocket and eventually it will be simply uneconomic to recover what's left. Tue 08 Dec 2009 11:45:49 GMT+1 GeeDeeSea http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=39#comment20 Haught for the Day: Homo sapiens sapiens is a relatively young species. They came very late in the calendar of Earth. If the Earth’s calendar started on 1st January, we got here on 31 December. At 23.45hrs. Fifteen minutes before midnight. And in the very last 0.6 of a second, we’ve burned half the oil.Source: Work it out yourself, its not difficult. Tue 08 Dec 2009 11:42:29 GMT+1 skintnick http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=37#comment19 The issue of leaving deadwood for nature to breakdown naturally as an essential part of the ecosystem isn't lost on me. An essential part of the transition to a low carbon economy is sustainable plantations for firewood. As a landless peasant I am powerless to do anything directly except raise awareness, but one of the beauties of the free market is that once those who do own land realise there is money to be made it will happen. In the meantime I can source wood in exchange for labour with a tree-surgeon I know and recently took delivery from my nextdoor neighbour of a large quantity of felled pine which (this very morning) I've been splitting and storing for next year or the following year. It will take a short time to reach the point where I'm not foraging for wood but it will happen. Tue 08 Dec 2009 11:42:24 GMT+1 Anne P http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=35#comment18 Perhaps I should have added 'bring back coppicing'. That way a sustainable system can be set up which benefits all. Tue 08 Dec 2009 11:36:39 GMT+1 Anne P http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=33#comment17 Looternite, I think it's one of those things where it's fine as long as everyone doesn't do it! I also have a feeling that assuming you can forage for fuel in woodland may lead you into trouble with the owner of the rights - again probably ok if it's just one person and a few sticks, different if someone decides to do it on a large scale. Tue 08 Dec 2009 11:35:29 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=31#comment16 All well and good burning foraged dead wood from the hedgerows and woodland.However, isn't dead wood, food and homes for many native species of beetles and over creatures.Nothing in Nature goes to waste. Tue 08 Dec 2009 11:32:43 GMT+1 skintnick http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=29#comment15 @annasee "hadn't you better consider changing your name then?"The 2 endowment policies we purchased c1990 have bombed. The FSA aren't interested in helping us. My wife saves £50pm from her salary in an equities ISA with a view to bridging the shortfall. She thinks the stockmarket is a sound long-term investment but I foresee huge falls coming soon. Somehow I persuaded her to cash 1/2 of her fund to pay for the heating system described. She chose the stove & it's a beauty (made by Woodwarm of Devon). My name is totally apt, I'm skint but happy, funnily enough even happier since discovering the crises our civilisation faces (because the learning and work exploring pathways to sustainability has provided focus, inspiration and many new friends) Tue 08 Dec 2009 11:24:20 GMT+1 GotToTheEnd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=27#comment14 PS The above was my contribution to PM's Climate Change Puzzle Corner (Ronnie Waldman).Which the programme shuold surely have.After all, if PM is listener centred, it's blogs (as if they were representative!,Ho,ho,!) suggest HUGE listener curiosity, uncertainty, willingness to learn and to do what it takes, Tue 08 Dec 2009 11:16:12 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=25#comment13 This is quite a comprehensive set of sceptical queries and answers re climate change:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8376286.stm Tue 08 Dec 2009 11:11:48 GMT+1 GotToTheEnd http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=23#comment12 http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A2.lrg.gifWell, that one is surely now sorted.The 5 year moving average (MA) levelling is just too short, aott, to change our sense of the graph as saw-toothed and should be extrapolated as such.The mean period '45 to '75 could be our future and there is a long trend line from 1942 to the late 70s which is falling or level. But such data mining aside (one should then take all trend lines for every start and finish dates), of the 16 local maxima only 4 resulted in longer non-positively sloped segments than our own.In brief, as ld implies, the trend line (linear regression line) on the annual data (not shown!!!!!!!!!) seems our best summary understanding of ALL the data.Is the UCSD khushtie in all this?http://earthguide.ucsd.edu/globalchange/images/fig11.htmlThe wording seems a little luke warm as if they aren't cooking on gas there, but then neither they nor the rotary club of SD (for whom the presentation was) should be, should they? (Ho,ho!) (Where IS Steel Pulse when you want a scholarly disquisition on a homophone set, eh?)Anyway. So,By the way, what's happened to the O2 levels, please? Have they fallen by the appropriate number of parts per million? Tue 08 Dec 2009 11:08:54 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=21#comment11 Our woodburner is wonderful - and very economical. It's worth being selective about models - the older style British ones are generally far less econimical than the modern Danish ones, which may cost a bit more at the outset but will quickly repay the additional initial outlay.The great thing about woodburners is the knowledge that they are carbon neutral - as long, of course, as tree planting programmes keep pace with felling. Tue 08 Dec 2009 11:02:09 GMT+1 Fifi http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=19#comment10 My SO 'architected' the installation of a new fireplace and chimney for a woodburning stove in a roomy 4-bedroom 1960s 'modern' house last year. A local pallet supplier lets them collect scrap wood and they forage the local hedgerows for dead wood. They make newspaper briquettes. With careful door-closing to manage draughts, and they already have a very (VERY!) productive garden, they rarely need the central heating and buy only meat from the local market as they grow their own fruit & veg.Oh, and they are on a fixed income. He's a retired teacher, she a gardener. Yes it can be done but you have to be prepared to re-think lifestyle!(SO is now eyeing our unused fireplace...) Tue 08 Dec 2009 10:51:22 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=17#comment9 This post has been Removed Tue 08 Dec 2009 10:47:32 GMT+1 Anne P http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=15#comment8 annasee (8), it will be interesting to see whether there is a change to 'smokeless' regulations as more people want to burn wood. Both our wood supplier and chimney sweep told us this summer that they have never been busier with people taking out gas fires and putting in wood burners. So called smokeless fuel has a very high sulphur content - we had to replace a class one stainless steel liner that was eaten away by it and have never burned the stuff since. Tue 08 Dec 2009 10:38:49 GMT+1 annasee http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=13#comment7 skintnick - hadn't you better consider changing your name then? "Not-so-skint-nick" perhaps? Or "Who's-laughing-now-nick"? Since you'll be better off than the rest of us when we get our extortionate fuel bills. I agree about the wood burner. Shame many metropolitan boroughs forbid the burning of wood though. You are allowed smokeless fuel - which has to be bought at extortionate cost... Tue 08 Dec 2009 10:21:59 GMT+1 skintnick http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=11#comment6 On October 1st in my 3-bed end-terrace 1950 council house we had installed a woodburning stove with back-boiler. Total cost £2,500 (50% stove, 25% chimney liner, rest labour, pump etc.) Since February 2009 we have used no gas and finally rid of the gas boiler when the stove was done. Our electricity comes from a wholly 'green' supplier. Carbon neutral central heating and hot water (assuming sustainably managed forest, although so far I've not paid a penny for wood by collecting deadwood locally.) Once I get a solar thermal panel installed for hot water when the stove isn't burning this is a great system which I want to tell people about so they know it CAN be done.I have friends with chainsaws who are happy to spend an hour or so working for me in exchange for gifts of homemade preserves or whatever else I can muddle together which they might want.People must beware of escalating fossil fuel prices as depletion starts to kick in. This is just one way in which I have tried to make my family more secure. Tue 08 Dec 2009 10:13:05 GMT+1 H http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=9#comment5 What supreme twaddle is spoken by Angela Knight, Lord Levine and other apologists for bankers.So teams of bankers will depart for Hong Kong, Paris, Dubai, Singapore, New York, etc.And they won't be replaced, immediately, from within the ranks of existing staff, or from existing institutions deciding to create new financial entities? New teams that will operate within the bounds of a new reward regime?Of course they will, isn't that what we call enterprise?Oh, that's if any really do depart, and take their expertise, which I believe is called "arithmetic", with them. Yes, all that is required to master margins, risk analysis and big money placement is arithmetic. It might be masked by verbiage and IT, but it's arithmetic. Tue 08 Dec 2009 09:42:27 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=7#comment4 I'd like someone to find out from David Cameron - if my husband dies, do I get clobbered for tax straight away, or will he wait till after the funeral? Tue 08 Dec 2009 09:00:33 GMT+1 pithywriter http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=5#comment3 Dear Eddie and Team. Re: This Bonus Culture and Inflated Salaries situation that seems to have become a creeping, recent norm for all but the average, UK (Jo/Jill/you/me)highly taxed, working poor!For context can you please find out for us and report if this is the norm in our EU neighbouring countries too? Also, could you give us some comparisons for equivalent salaries for jobs such as managing hospitals and local councils etc in Western EU? It would be very interesting to know where this latest 'culture/scam' comes from. Is it a UK invented phenomenon or, an American import? We need to know. Thanks for your help. Tue 08 Dec 2009 08:48:39 GMT+1 annasee http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=3#comment2 We sigh and are puzzled, likewise... Tue 08 Dec 2009 08:46:50 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=1#comment1 We sigh with you. Tue 08 Dec 2009 08:45:17 GMT+1 steelpulse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/12/am_glass_box_12.shtml?page=0#comment0 "Jesus, What is the son!" - sort of. May I hastily say this is not profanity but University Challange, BBC2 yesterday. Jesus College, Cambridge and the voiceover gentleman who identifies the student who buzzes first to answer Jeremy Paxman's starter questions being identified. And partly that habit of merging married couples surnames mentioned in one report yesterday. I wondered whether the programmes editor had merged that old The Young Ones episode with the real thing. No offence editor but if loss for something to do - check it out on the iPlayer. My missus pointed it out first. I initially was taken with the team who said "Hi" instead of a Leslie Phillips "Hell-o!" but then realised when voicerover siad "And their captain!" and captain said "Hi, I am Calamity Jane from Lake Wobegone and shot our wabbit!" Sort of - no offence but she, captain of team was a USA citizen. Aha!But voiceover person - once noticed was very entertaining - it is quite an animated delivery in my opinion but hey! Oh and no offence sir - and it brought to mind also a new two parter series on BBC1 on mixed race Britain - which I only read a review about. A crucial romantic scene with a narrator added was it? "Puzzled! steelpulse!"And another apologist for let the Financial Markets run free! I sigh. Tue 08 Dec 2009 06:43:28 GMT+1