Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/11/psssst_1.shtml http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/11/psssst_1.shtml en-gb 30 Tue 30 Jun 2015 05:32:10 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/11/psssst_1.shtml Lord Nathan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/11/psssst_1.shtml?page=95#comment20 NATIVE AMERICANS CALL FOR DEPORTATIONOF 299 MILLION ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS Mon 23 Nov 2009 17:26:25 GMT+1 ukpahonta http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/11/psssst_1.shtml?page=90#comment19 Because the American population will not pay a carbon tax, and the American government does not have the backing to waste billions of dollars on a project that is going to have little to no impact.They don't want to pay for a health care system that they think will use their own money to treat others so why think that they will pay a carbon tax to enable other countries to benefit from their extravagances.We unfortunately are more of a sheepish nature being told what we have to do and not having a choice in the matter, that is until May 2010 comes along.Do you think that Brown has a majority concensus on the proposals that he wants to put forward for the UK. Industry is against it, the poor are against it and the old are against it. The recent adverts on television are trying to scare a population into paying more tax under the false assumption that he can save the planet for our children. Utter rubbish, there will be no agreement from Copenhagen purely for the fact that other countries will not demonise their populace and realise that the costs involved for the extremely limited effect are far to pervasive. Mon 23 Nov 2009 16:08:38 GMT+1 lucien desgai http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/11/psssst_1.shtml?page=85#comment18 17 Then why is it that President Obama is going empty-handed to Copenhagen because he can't get a climate bill of any worth through Congress?http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/may/12/us-climate-bill-oil-gashttp://www.publicintegrity.org/investigations/climate_change/articles/entry/1171/ Mon 23 Nov 2009 15:37:15 GMT+1 Sid http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/11/psssst_1.shtml?page=80#comment17 Lord Nathan @ 13Thanks - not terribly subtle, but makes the point ... Mon 23 Nov 2009 15:14:12 GMT+1 ukpahonta http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/11/psssst_1.shtml?page=76#comment16 16Just trying to put the point that the big money is on the side of the alarmists! Mon 23 Nov 2009 15:12:35 GMT+1 lucien desgai http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/11/psssst_1.shtml?page=71#comment15 14You were the one who brought up the subject of the climate change debate being skewed by financial interests. I was just pointing out that the big corporate lobbying money is on the side of the deniers. Mon 23 Nov 2009 14:40:06 GMT+1 Lord Nathan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/11/psssst_1.shtml?page=66#comment14 Obviously a long lunchtime in the Modshop. Anyone care to run round and wake them up? Mon 23 Nov 2009 14:28:42 GMT+1 ukpahonta http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/11/psssst_1.shtml?page=61#comment13 12 lucien_desgaiSeen this before and totally agree that the political process should not be influenced by individual companies or persons with large war chests to promote policy that enables future profit. Personally I would have thought that Exxon would be better placed looking for alternative energy sources as peak oil production has passed and "Oil" companies now have a limited future no matter how much political lobbying there is.The political process though should keep it's distance from the sciences there is a lot of vested interest in raising more tax to clear the UK deficit from whatever hair brained plan is currently doing the circuit.There is also a lot of money tied up globally in carbon trading with some very influention forerunners making more profit than we would like to dream of. Scruples and common sense get thrown out of the window with sums of this order but don't be surprised when you feel their hands in your pockets. The banks and investment houses have their new toy to play with. Mon 23 Nov 2009 14:02:40 GMT+1 Lord Nathan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/11/psssst_1.shtml?page=57#comment12 Slainte! Mon 23 Nov 2009 12:07:51 GMT+1 lucien desgai http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/11/psssst_1.shtml?page=52#comment11 10 UKPhantasistYou're really looking in the wrong place to find financial self-interest distorting the climate change debate.http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jul/01/exxon-mobil-climate-change-sceptics-funding Mon 23 Nov 2009 11:55:11 GMT+1 mittfh http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/11/psssst_1.shtml?page=47#comment10 It's fairly obvious the global climate is changing, with a higher proportion of "extreme weather events" being recorded in more recent years than in previous years.However, what's not certain is the cause. Anthropogenic global warming is a prime suspect, but others include natural global warming, sunspot activity, natural random variation, and even the positioning of earth, moon, sun etc.In all likelihood, it's a combination of factors - so just isolating one and proclaiming it the sole cause is a bit simplistic. As is the suggestion that if we wave a magic wand and drastically reduce CO2 emissions, climate change will miraculously and suddenly stop and everything will be fine. CFCs for example hang around in the atmosphere for several decades, so what we sprayed up there before the ban is probably still doing damage. Besides which, the ban isn't global - there are still many countries using CFCs in aerosols.A far more sensible approach would be to predict what's likely to happen, and devise workarounds / methods of compensating - whilst also examining the potential side effects. For example, demountable flood defences may work well at protecting a town from flooding, but in creating a pocket of land divorced from the flood plain, it may increase the risk of flooding downstream. And invariably in areas prone to storm drain overflow, there'll have to be extensive roadworks to improve the capacity of the storm sewers.-oOo-Unsurprisingly, Wikipedia's now got an article on the hack. Reading around, it's worth bearing in mind that the documents released are not just a dump of all climate-related emails sent over the past 10+ years, but a carefully edited selection. So while there's mention of applying "Mike's Trick", there's no information on what the trick is or exactly why it's being used etc.Apparently the suspicions of a cover-up aren't helped when numerous FoI requests have had to be turned down, because due to the collaborative nature of the work, they can't secure permission to release from all the copyright holders (generally, because they do a lot of work on behalf of other organisations, those organisations 'own' the data, not the CRU). Mon 23 Nov 2009 11:41:36 GMT+1 ukpahonta http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/11/psssst_1.shtml?page=42#comment9 DoctorDolotsObviously you have an interest in scaremongary possibly even a financial one.Personally I believe the science and tend not to beleive everything that is politically and financially induced. I am all for reducing energy use and making the world a cleaner place for my children.What I certainly object to is Gheko type individuals making profit from scare tactics based on manipulated data and political agenda.This story is going international this week and is a sad indightment of the current state of Brittish society where greed overcomes integrity. Mon 23 Nov 2009 08:46:42 GMT+1 Lady_Sue http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/11/psssst_1.shtml?page=38#comment8 DocD@7: "And no they won't 'prove' global warming is a myth, because only an idiot would believe that since the evidence becomes ever more obvious and undeniable by the day.Unprecedented rainfall, extreme weather events, flooding like no one has ever heard of in recorded time, bridges swept away. And that's just this week."Do you, perchance, walk up and down your High Street with a sandwich board placard proclaiming 'The End Is Nigh'? DocD@8: that story was already comprehensively covered. Forgive me for being so blunt but you are just a little tiny bit 'behind the times'. Sun 22 Nov 2009 19:12:09 GMT+1 DoctorDolots http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/11/psssst_1.shtml?page=33#comment7 A secret the media appear to have been complicit in keeping quiet about the shooting of 10 German Shepherd dogs in Pontardawe by the RSPCA last June, using captive bolt guns as used in slaughter houses. The dogs were owned by someone who died, and were in his house. Relatives asked the RSPCA to take care of them, which they did. German Shepherd Rescue has the whole story at http://www.germanshepherdrescue.co.uk/pet-dog-slaughter-RSPCA-style.html and this site http://www.freewebs.com/manytearsrescue/rspca.htm is the one which first broke it, being based in Wales. But it's only surfaced among dog welfare charities and blogs so far, the media seem curiously shy of the story. The RSPCA has threatened to sue a dog charity for copyright infringment for using their acronym RSPCA in their blog condemning the practise of killing animals with a bolt gun, which the RSPCA admit is their usual practice. I think this will be of interest to a great many of our listeners, many of whom could be donors to the RSPCA and may wish to review their support. Or is the RSPCA beyond criticism by the BBC as the Queen is its Patron? Sun 22 Nov 2009 17:58:02 GMT+1 DoctorDolots http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/11/psssst_1.shtml?page=28#comment6 2. ukpahonta - you clearly are just repeating rumours you've heard in the usual alarmist denier way, on the basis that if you spread it thick, a bit will stick. But it's your world too, unless you have an interstellar cruiser parked in the garden. Unlike you I took the trouble to find the offending download and get it. Having looked through it, I would say it consists of what one would expect of a science department in a University, and the emails are all innocuous, mundane and ordinary as most are. If there are any with contentious phrases in them, they are for the writers and recipients, none of your business. And no they won't 'prove' global warming is a myth, because only an idiot would believe that since the evidence becomes ever more obvious and undeniable by the day. Unprecedented rainfall, extreme weather events, flooding like no one has ever heard of in recorded time, bridges swept away. And that's just this week.It isn't getting colder, whatever made you think that? When did we last have a proper winter in the UK? Anyone with a memory would say in the seventies. No one born since then has any knowledge of it of course, to them, heatwaves in January and hail in August with floods any time are the norm. What do they know? Sun 22 Nov 2009 17:34:32 GMT+1 cherrytree http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/11/psssst_1.shtml?page=23#comment5 I knew Cockermouth would start to shake its fist at the awful events of the last few days. At 5pm. this evening Cockermouth Mechanics Band begun playing carols outside the Mountain Rescue Headquarters in town. What an amazing place Cockermouth is. Sun 22 Nov 2009 17:20:34 GMT+1 needsanewnickname http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/11/psssst_1.shtml?page=19#comment4 Look. Something is going awry with global climate.Here's a thought: Just for now, let's forget about why; let's instead do what we can to stabilise, to minimise impact.It's not impossible.And we can have a big argument later. Once things have settled down; if they can, if it's possible. Sat 21 Nov 2009 21:02:40 GMT+1 Lepus_Madidus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/11/psssst_1.shtml?page=14#comment3 Aren't claims that every weather incident out of the ordinary can be attributable to global warming getting as old as the ark? Sat 21 Nov 2009 12:50:24 GMT+1 Lepus_Madidus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/11/psssst_1.shtml?page=9#comment2 A secret?Labour still aren't giving injured servicemen priority treatment from the NHS despite saying they would.http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/news/WAR-HEROES-LEFT-WAITING/article-1533431-detail/article.htmlLabour care more about foxes than our military.When will Labour realise abusing, and playing political football with the military is a vote loser? Sat 21 Nov 2009 12:42:03 GMT+1 ukpahonta http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/11/psssst_1.shtml?page=4#comment1 Want to know a secret???E-mail messages between high-ranking scientists appear to indicate a conspiracy by some of the world's leading global warming alarmists to falsify temperature data in order to exaggerate global averages.Those involved allegedly include: James Hansen, Director of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies; Michael Mann, famous for Mann's "Hockey Stick"; Gavin Schmidt, NASA climate modeler, and; Stephen Schneider, Stanford professor and Al Gore confidant.A statement released Friday by the alarmist website RealClimate has confirmed that e-mail servers at the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit (CRU) in Norwich, England, were hacked recently with contents illegally made available over the Internet. Although the authenticity of all these e-mail messages has yet to be proven, what's currently available points to a coordinated attempt to manipulate climate data by those directly involved in advancing the theory of anthropogenic global warming.It's not getting warmer, it's getting colder!!! Sat 21 Nov 2009 09:15:51 GMT+1 The Stainless Steel Cat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/11/psssst_1.shtml?page=0#comment0 Good programme, but I'm devastated to hear that next week it's going to be buried in the unreachable depths of the early evening.Oh well, another few weeks of early morning listening to the delights of dry-stone walling and in-depth biographies of the inventor of belly-button-fluff... Sat 21 Nov 2009 07:30:43 GMT+1