Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml en-gb 30 Sat 12 Jul 2014 11:37:59 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml nesta vipers http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=99#comment180 this is great - on your map, but I live in the very north of East Riding almost in North Yorkshire, we get the weather for Hull & Lincolnshire on bbc look North - it`s rubbish. we have to rely on seaweed in a jam jar Fri 23 Jul 2010 21:05:30 GMT+1 dorothy gough http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=98#comment179 I always sleep in the buff. What are my chances of the doing the weekly shop at Tescos? Thu 28 Jan 2010 17:53:00 GMT+1 David Rolph http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=98#comment178 Having just read the PM's reaction to preserving salt stocks i think the man is more of a fool and is playing with people's lives at his incompetence at running the finances of this country.If you want to know at Frinton-on-Sea today we have received no gritting today, so much for Essex County's promises about no more misery on county's roads- short lived the responsibility is the governments. Fri 08 Jan 2010 17:09:41 GMT+1 Anand Prasad http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=97#comment177 The only thing that really matters (even more important than making Orkney and Shetland minute) is to stop the unnecessary pauses and downward inflexion at the end of every sentence of the weather(wo)man which is a sure sign that the speaker has to use artificial mean to try to sound interesting when in fact they have no heart in what they are saying.Sounding yourself and natural and interested in your subject is what makes people interested in what you are saying eg. Attenborough.The worst of the very watch-able Kate Humble is when she uses these terrible pauses and now there is that geographer Nicholas Crane whose every sentence is laden with the downward inflexions.Listen to Rob McElwee reading the weather and you here someone with no artificial tricks, who obviously love his subject and it is infectious. Tue 24 Nov 2009 21:17:08 GMT+1 rixlondon http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=97#comment176 The new weather forecast is better but please use the syntax LOCATION+TEMPERATURE and not TEMPERATURE+LOCATION. When the forecaster says it will be 35 degrees in Aberdeen, Plymouth and Newcastle, and I am in Newcastle, I jerk awake to the realisation that I have missed the temperature. This obviously has a bigger impact at 0600 or 0700 than the PM forecast (when I am marginally more awake). Thanks for listening to us though. Thu 29 Oct 2009 18:14:31 GMT+1 Anne P. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=96#comment175 175, I noticed that too although I'm not in your region. If only they would actually write it down in the format of the Shipping Forecast these slips wouldn't happen. But overall it is generally much, much better. Thu 29 Oct 2009 18:11:07 GMT+1 Idcam http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=96#comment174 No weather forecast for me again. I'm in Edinburgh, which is Eastern Scotland. Which wasn't mentioned. Western Scotland was, but not Eastern. Oh well. Just have to take my chances, I guess. Or tune in to ITN. Thu 29 Oct 2009 18:02:52 GMT+1 Lord Fred http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=95#comment173 Superfritter made a good point about New Zealand's format. I don't know about now, but it used to start at the North and work down, referred to main towns and cities, and grouped them appropriately - I used to love listening to it as a kid, some of the place names had great alliteration - Taranaki, Taupo, Taihape, Taumarunui - and I never missed Wellington because I'd lost interest.Is there now a slight trend to refer to factors that generate weather conditions? I was pleased to hear recently on R4 and see on BBC1 reference to the current SW airflow, as an explanation for the mild unseasonal weather. As the BBC is there to inform, entertain and EDUCATE, I think you should take this a step further and explain, albeit in simple terms, the current weather conditions every time. They do this on US TV - a warm moist air mass from the Gulf of Mexico conflicting with a cold dry air mass from Canada for example. Jim Hickey the popular NZ TV presenter does it too.The R4 presenters might even begin to understand the difference between rain and showers ;-) Thu 29 Oct 2009 09:44:45 GMT+1 Moppettrio http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=95#comment172 Dear SirI think the new forecast is a big improvement. The particularly valuable aspects include; predefined areas, a fixed format (eg time period, rain, temperature). These aspect are like the shipping forecast from which it is very easy to get the information relevant to oneself.Possible improvements could include wide publicity for the map. There are many options for how this could be done but the web is not adequate.Also the meteorologist must be dissuaded from deviating from the format. For instance he must say "north west and north east England", not "northern England". In general the shipping forecast is an exemplar.It should be remembered that the weather forecast is an information transmittal system, not part of the entertainment output,valued though the entertainment programmes are. Sat 24 Oct 2009 16:13:26 GMT+1 diamondWoodville http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=94#comment171 The new format is an improvement but style is only part of the story. What about accuracy? Perhaps the forecasters could be awarded marks out of ten each week for their performance in this area. As a farmer,the accuracy of the weather forecast is very important to our everyday decisions - so vital in fact that I suggest a new regulatory body is formed - could we call it Offcast?! Sat 24 Oct 2009 10:36:50 GMT+1 wollix http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=93#comment170 very much improved format - I realise that I was one of those who wanted to listen to the weather but then my mind drifted. I think the key thing is that it is as short and punchy in style as possible - I like the new headings and the idea of copying the shipping forecast. To sum up, and curiously, the LESS flow and smoothness in the delivery, and the more punchy headings, notes the BETTER. There will always be a tendency for the forecaster to want to be smooth as a good broadcaster, but in this case the opposite is true! Sat 24 Oct 2009 08:11:06 GMT+1 gillblogs http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=93#comment169 The map is a great help, also the information that the forecast always starts in the SW and the'direction of flow' that we were given this evening. I also like the weather forecast style. However my favourite weather forecast medium is Ceefax on the television. Number 402 for your own region. It gives everything: temperature, wind direction and speed and whether sunshine, dull, rain or showers for the different times of day. This is my ideal and I look at it after 6pm every day. I realise that this is a bit too detailed for the radio and it's fine to give wind speeds and direction when it's significant i.e a strong north wind.Ceefax isn't foolproof however. Too often it gets itself in a mess and you get two night time forecasts and no day. I think they need to smarten up their act. Fri 23 Oct 2009 17:44:27 GMT+1 Slowprof http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=92#comment168 I like the new style but agree with those who want a synopsis at the start and wind directions for each region. Even if some people haven't learned the terms used at school living with the weather and hearing the expressions repeatedly educates one rapidly! What I really like is the lack of highly subjective adjectives; NICE and sunny? HORRIBLY wet?? It depends whether you want the washing to dry or the plants to grow!Please keep the format. Wed 21 Oct 2009 19:04:52 GMT+1 brianwullie http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=92#comment167 I don't think there is much difference from the forecasts given at other times of the day on Radio 4. The clearest and most concise forecasts were immediately after they were re-introduced following World War II. Then they started at 5 minutes to the hour, thereby allowing plenty of time and not as now, where they don't begin until 3 minutes to the hour and the BBC still want to play trailers for future programmes before the news. The forecasts to which I refer, began with any Gale, Snow or Frost warnings. Not 'Severe Weather Warnings' which we get now ad infinitum if there is to be a heavy shower or a bit of fog in the South of England. Then followed the General Situation, which gave the situation of Depressions and Anticyclones that were significant. This was followed by the Forecast for Farmers, which was a very detailed district forecast and finally the Shipping Forecast which was,and still is very useful to many listeners formulating their own area forecast (but what has happened to the Weather Reports from Coastal Stations?). Unfortunately now, for some reason, we only get the Shipping Forecast on Radion 4 FM before the 6 o' clock news on Saturday & Sunday. Is it possible to dig out one of these vintage forecasts from the Archives and play it on PM to see what other listeners think? Wed 21 Oct 2009 14:34:31 GMT+1 jamespester http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=91#comment166 A review of the ‘New Style’ weather forecast for Great Britain and Northern Ireland.Memorability:Fog clearing slowly, visibility improving.Delivery:Mostly fine, some gusty and unsettled spells.Regional Format:Fine, and bright at times with occasional murky periodsLanguage and Vocabulary:Unsettled at first, becoming clearer.Outlook:Established depression gives way to incoming high.Evaluation:Mostly fine and bright with some early fog. Tue 20 Oct 2009 22:15:19 GMT+1 taycast http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=91#comment165 I think it has potential but needs refined. Why always start with the south east as this area already receives more prominence in national forecasts on BBC TV and radio. Where I stay in Eastern Scotland has several different weather trends, especially considering the influence of the mountains. I just dont believe this area can be forecast accurately unless the forcaster is given more time. I always have believed both TV and radio forecasts are too short. Tue 20 Oct 2009 18:15:15 GMT+1 fourowls http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=90#comment164 I am turning into a weather nerd! I have never blogged in my life but here goes...... Love the new approach to the weather, I instantly tuned in to and understood the shipping forecast style and I liked the weather area forecast tonight. I don't need musical notes or jingles to tell me a new area is about to come up and I can do without an overall summary if time is of the E. After all I don't live over the whole of the British Isles...and if I'm travelling I am travelling to and through other smaller regions. The map is fine. We only really have to look at it once. Keep the running order the same every night and I may never forget the forecast again!!!!! Tue 20 Oct 2009 18:01:43 GMT+1 newwinston http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=90#comment163 I like it. Short, sharp and to the point, PM to a T. Even better if EM read it out: Paxman, with less attitude. Tue 20 Oct 2009 17:57:20 GMT+1 donigers http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=89#comment162 The South of England is very wide and the weather doesn't very often divide into just 2 patterns. Please can Central Southern England have its own forecast? Tue 20 Oct 2009 17:35:22 GMT+1 Kernow_Otter http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=88#comment161 Huge improvement, thank you.Two comments.1. Can we have a brief description of the Synoptic Situation at the begining of the forecast as standard practice - some of us still understand such things.2. If the format is to be from South to North as a rule, why is the first region not the South West, as we have the most Southerly Point of the UK in Lizard Point ?Love it. Mon 19 Oct 2009 17:26:48 GMT+1 PierreMaxted http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=88#comment160 It is remarkable how much easier it is to remember the forecast with the new style of presentation. Mon 19 Oct 2009 17:13:37 GMT+1 glowingrosa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=87#comment159 At long last have got round to making a comment on the change in weather forecast. I think it is a vast improvement. When are they going to do all the weather forecasts in the same format? Mon 19 Oct 2009 16:41:42 GMT+1 cjseed http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=87#comment158 forecast much asier to follow Sat 17 Oct 2009 10:08:04 GMT+1 youngdiddle http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=86#comment157 Fri 16 Oct 2009 19:12:51 GMT+1 edwardrichmond http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=86#comment156 Well done. At last a logical forecast whereby you can ready yourself to listen to the part which is relevant to you rather than than being taken on a randon mystery tour of the uk with no indication as to when your area ( if you are lucky )will be addressed........ Fri 16 Oct 2009 17:40:56 GMT+1 sparklers1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=85#comment155 Better format, giving scope for a more concise forecast, but please give the forecasters sufficient time to give detail. All too often the allocated slot is not long enough for this - for example, with an incoming weather front or showery air stream, the forecasters need time to elaborate on expected time for arrival of rain and clearance, frequency of showers etc, for each of the regions. 3 minutes please. Fri 16 Oct 2009 17:14:26 GMT+1 Mrsscunge http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=85#comment154 I really like the new weather forecast. It enables me to focus far better on my own area without my attention wandering off. Please keep it! Fri 16 Oct 2009 12:47:10 GMT+1 fedibus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=84#comment153 I fully support the new format for the new style weather forecasts on PM; can they be extended to all R4 bulletins. Much easier to follow and remember. Thu 15 Oct 2009 19:27:06 GMT+1 bloghag http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=83#comment152 The new weather forecast format on PM (RADIO 4) is a refreshing wind of change, free of pseudo-comic remarks and non-meteorological vocabulary (e.g. the spits and spots that have been scattered randomly in previous forecasts).The sooner all radio and TV switch to the new format, the clearer it will be for everyone. The grouping of regional information, the succinct descriptions and the clarity of the message - what's not to like? Thu 15 Oct 2009 18:05:15 GMT+1 janerunner http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=83#comment151 I really like the new weather format - clear, concise and memorable. Please dont go back to "spits and spots of rain" and "organised showers". Thu 15 Oct 2009 17:16:05 GMT+1 langleybaston http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=82#comment150 About time too! I retired as a Principal Scientific Officer in 1998 after 41 years as a Met Office weather forecaster and scientist. Until the cult of personality became rampant [encouraged, I suspect, by the BBC] there was strict guidance regarding the presentation of a forecast to the public. The rules were much as the current experiment: an overview, followed by any warnings, then, most importantly, location first, weather second, and a logical geographical sequence. Terms like 'warm', 'mild', and 'sunny intervals' were defined. Nasty modernisms like 'misty murky' and 'spits and spots' would have been laughed out. The only fogey-ish rulings which I am glad to see overcome were that 'gust' was a noun and had no verb, and that 'sleet' had to be 'rain and snow'.All power to the modernisers who have reverted to past best practice. Thu 15 Oct 2009 12:58:29 GMT+1 Peachyschnapps http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=82#comment149 Not managed to catch the'new' weather so far but just listened on iPlayer and I think it is much clearer. I'll give it 5 .... Thu 15 Oct 2009 07:53:03 GMT+1 dennisjunior1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=81#comment148 good idea!!!!!!!!~Dennis Junior~ Thu 15 Oct 2009 03:29:54 GMT+1 ribbleway http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=81#comment147 I don't know what the fuss is about - I found it generally helpful and in Scotland they have been giving forecasts for different regions for years. The only bits that concerned me tonight were references to "northern England" and "Scotland" as regions, when in fact the weather in both is usually very differnt on the east and west sides - but at least the map does show they will be subdivided. I hope there will always give an overview of the general situation before the regional details. Someone asked earlier why them boundaries aren't straight as in sea areas. Well, weather on land is often strongly influenced by topography, ie by hill or mountain areas and proximity to coast! Wed 14 Oct 2009 20:50:55 GMT+1 TallDaveBristol http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=80#comment146 I have been frustrated about the attempt over recent years of forecasters to try to 'entertain' us when I want facts, clearly presented. This is a tremendous step forward. Thank you. (When can we expect a similar improvement on the (dire) TV weather?) If I may say so, the national road an traffic reports could learn from this. By following numerical (which is largely geographical)road numbers it would be much clearer whether or not you will be affected. Even if there are big and small events this is till the right sequence. David Wed 14 Oct 2009 17:54:08 GMT+1 rainboondocks http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=80#comment145 I have not yet managed to receive the "new" format but I am hoping very much that it will be as Peter Gibbs suggested, shipping forecast style, with clear concise information. I am in a very remote rural area and weather is vital, particularly in the winter. Very important is that those reading the weather forecast do so in a clear, well-articulated voice without the swoops and peculiar intonations that make Robert Peston an instant turn off. Wed 14 Oct 2009 13:43:01 GMT+1 shppingforecastfan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=79#comment144 Just a thought - this is following the lunchtime forecast in which the words 'around about' were repeated at least twice - why not have the new shipping forecast format in the style of 'Just a Minute', only it would be three minutes instead of one. There would be no hesitation (except between regions where a pause would be essential), repetition (except the words in the subject) or deviation. The subject would be 'rain, wind, sun, cloud, temperature,' and other strictly meterological and geographical terms!Otherwise, I agree it may be useful to extend the length of the forecast by a minute. Wed 14 Oct 2009 13:42:02 GMT+1 Poverty http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=79#comment143 Oh dear, last night (Tuesday) we seem to have had a relapse. I do not remember ever hearing about Nortn East England. To mention a large area and then give exceptions is a no go. Let's get back to ther Monday night format. Wed 14 Oct 2009 12:46:45 GMT+1 pause111 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=78#comment142 Still too waffly and judgemental but an improvement. I'm on the border of two regions in Scotland so my weather will still be guesswork.My main complaint is giving a 'headline' at the beginning if there is any severe weather. This makes the whole idea invalid as the Met Office has, in the last few years, decided that a heavier than usual shower of rain deserves a 'severe weather warning' - crying wolf - I take no notice of severe weather warnings any more as they are meaningless. The weather forecast should forecast the weather - full stop. It should not give the weather forecasters' judgements about what constitutes a 'beautiful' day or 'better' weather - they rarely coincide with my views. Can we please have the simple shipping forecast style weather forecast? Wed 14 Oct 2009 12:19:53 GMT+1 sandyandpatch http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=77#comment141 Are all your weather forecasters educated in China? Why else would they start at the bottom right and work up? In English we start at the top left and work down, so why not the weather forecast as well. I would also hope that they know that the weather in the Orkneys an the Scottish borders can be totally different most of the time. Why are they in the same area? Wed 14 Oct 2009 09:38:47 GMT+1 Swanny http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=77#comment140 Yes, liked the new forecast format, reminded me of the shipping forecast. I have a lot of family and friends around the country and I got a much better idea of their weather as well, Thanks Tue 13 Oct 2009 21:25:10 GMT+1 macboff http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=76#comment139 Yippee! I've been waiting for this to happen for years. One further tweak would make it even better for those of us in regions low down the batting order. At present we still have to listen to every word so that we can tell when our region is announced. It is so easy to lose concentration and miss your part of the forecast. If there was a non-speech sound (eg a beep) before each new group of regions was read out, we'd only need to pay attention to the words briefly at every beep, to see if it's our turn yet. If it is our turn, we keep listening, and if it isn't, we switch off (mentally) until the next beep. Maybe even a definite pause before each group of regions would do the job.An end to Rob's Random Ramblings! Tue 13 Oct 2009 19:12:54 GMT+1 aeroTonyC http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=76#comment138 Monday night the forecast was just about right with Peter Gibbs following a logical sequence around the UK. Easily understood with my region NW England being mentioned which is unusual as it normally isn't. Tonight the forecast was more jumbled and confusing with a different sequence of regions used. This time NW England was not mentioned only all of Northern England was given a forecast. From living here for many years there is normally a diffrence in the weather between NW and NE England. Please if it is a trial keep to the same format so people know what to expect. Keep it like the shipping forecast, same format every day. Tue 13 Oct 2009 18:25:27 GMT+1 Manric06 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=75#comment137 I heard the new weather forecast for the first time tonight (I listened to it on yesterday's PM through iPlayer). I think it is an improvement. It would be even more of an improvement if the weather forecast could go back to its [very] old time on Radio 4 at five minutes to the hour and give us about three or four minutes of forecast. At least the new forecast is spoken more factually without any daft comment. Now to get Dan C and most of the TV presenters to follow suit! Tue 13 Oct 2009 17:56:41 GMT+1 crunchycrispanddry http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=75#comment136 Tuesdays was a bit of a muddle but okish.What about the wind? Direction, strength?Again it was not mentioned! Tue 13 Oct 2009 17:38:19 GMT+1 jillfc http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=74#comment135 Monday's was pretty good: clear, straightforward, free of gabble, did what it said it was going to. But as Anne P points out, by Tuesday - though the clearer language remains - we've already lost some of the systematic approach: the order in which the regions were dealt with was different, for no obvious reason. If you're trying out something new, for goodness' sake stick with it for the trial period. Tue 13 Oct 2009 17:28:26 GMT+1 victoriajp56 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=74#comment134 Love it. Much easier to follow, I don't need to concentrate so hard! Even my husband will be able to remember the relevant bits! Thank you! Tue 13 Oct 2009 17:09:00 GMT+1 Anne P. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=73#comment133 Hey - what happened to working systematically round the regions? Did no-one tell this evening's forecaster?????? Tue 13 Oct 2009 16:59:24 GMT+1 ilove4blog http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=72#comment132 This is an improvement but I will still have to listen to Eastern Scotland and North-East England and then guess at which weather I will get. I am with the person who asked for Fahrenheit to be dropped, Celsius is so much easier. Why does the forecast start in the south? Most documents are read left to right(West to East) and top to bottom (North to South). London-centric again (sigh). Tue 13 Oct 2009 16:43:03 GMT+1 Cookienews http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=72#comment131 Fantastic new weather forecast - Straight forward, easy to understand and follow. Same sequence each time menas you know when to listen to the bit you want.No need to tell the wife yet again I drifted off and missed the weather forecast but that I do remember it was going to be a nice day in Scotland. Tue 13 Oct 2009 16:33:11 GMT+1 JacquesEGH http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=71#comment130 Dear Met Office: if I want a fire-side chat about the weather, I'll phone my 87 year-old mother.If I want a forecast, lets have one like the shipping forecast; succinct, does the job in the minimum of time, and is flexible enough to accommodate changes in the pattern of weather. I know that some of the "forecasters" are wannabee actors or bloggers, in which case the weather slot is wrong place for them.Regards Tue 13 Oct 2009 15:42:46 GMT+1 James-H3 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=71#comment129 Congratulations on the new weather forecast format. The nearer it gets to the shipping forecast the better. It may amuse listeners who have not heard any of the various musical parodies of the weather forecast over the years to play one of them e.g. the forecast set to Anglican chant. Sounds exactly like the King's Singers. Radio 3 might like it too. Link http://marguerite.ca/images/mastersingers.mp3Best wishes,James Harper Tue 13 Oct 2009 14:43:50 GMT+1 davetelendos http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=70#comment128 Oh dear! By the time it got to the North West of England I had forgotten why I was supposed to be listening and then in the panic I missed the forecast. I must do better. Tue 13 Oct 2009 14:18:58 GMT+1 CatsDogsandRabbits http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=70#comment127 Oh drat! Slap bang between Midlands and North West. So I still have to listen to two lots of weather and guess which one is going to be relevant to me!Eddie, or Peter, couldn't we have just one extra section - including Cheshire and Derbyshire together in one square?Go on, course we can!!! Tue 13 Oct 2009 14:18:17 GMT+1 shppingforecastfan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=69#comment126 I think the reason why the wind wasn't really mentioned in the forecast yesterday afternoon was because there is no wind (at least not here in SE). You can't get more concise than that!However I think it should still be mentioned as wind has a marked effect on temp. (both night and day). I was glad to be warned of a 'chilly start' so I could remember to put a blanket on the bed (we are still central heating free at the moment).The delivery was nice and clear which helped - sometimes I miss what is said because the forecaster has to speak quickly and continuously in the time allowed. Perhaps we could have a slight pause (no speech) in between regions to allow us time to think?!I'm glad there wasn't any 'let's have a look back at the day just gone'!It would be good to have a 'general situation' of the pattern of highs and/or lows at the beginning and an 'outlook' at the end.Thanks for the opportunity to comment again. (Nothing like the weather to get people communicating!) Tue 13 Oct 2009 12:58:00 GMT+1 EGGMAN1889 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=69#comment125 I like the new style, however after mentioning the three biggest city's in England ie London, Birmingham and Manchester, the forth biggest is completly ignored, instead of using Sheffield in the North-East England you use Leeds and Newcastle. Why?? Tue 13 Oct 2009 12:47:44 GMT+1 Rutlandeye http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=68#comment124 I totally agree with comment 112 by Dr Bear when he writes"What was really missing was an opening general synopsis – using the real terminology to describe the current situation".The general synopsis creats a framework for the area forcasts and any warnings or doubts as to what might happen can be mentioned at this point. Adding to this, your new fangled format should keep everyone happy. Please however, could you bring back the wind, warm fronts, cold fronts and Rutland. (see post 123, we are 100 miles north of London, just follow the A1) Tue 13 Oct 2009 12:28:20 GMT+1 pauljam20 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=67#comment123 It works! I caught the relevant forecast for the first time for years on Monday. Tue 13 Oct 2009 12:06:27 GMT+1 PhilGrimley http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=67#comment122 The idea of using the same sequence of areas for reporting the weather is a great improvement - i actually understood the forecast last night !However, I live on the borders of Midlands and Eastern and yet again RUTLAND is missing from the list of counties, so I don't know which area to listen to. This seems to be a consistant problem at the BBC. Rutland has only existed for 10 years, so please can someone update the BBC's Atlas of Great Britain. Tue 13 Oct 2009 10:33:22 GMT+1 Andy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=66#comment121 The new forecast on PM yesterday was a big improvement in clarity. Also, on this morning's 'Today' programme, during the forecast just before 8 a.m. I heard "The Midlands" mentioned twice! This was a real bonus as we usually have to guess whether we're lumped in with the North of England or the South of England. Tue 13 Oct 2009 09:59:33 GMT+1 lynnstevenson http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=66#comment120 Love the new weather forecast. For years I've been listening from Norfolk and never knowing whether I'm in the Midlands or East Anglia or "The East", often getting to the end and not being any the wiser!Now all you need is the poetic rhythm of the Shipping forecast and a nice bit of music like Sailing By and you'll have it nailed! Tue 13 Oct 2009 09:44:14 GMT+1 CarolineOfBrunswick http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=65#comment119 I heard it before seeing the map, and was surprised when the weather for Eastern and North-East England included the temperature for Leeds.Obviously it would take a bit longer, but is there any chance of going from 6 to the 8 standard government office english regions (assuming London is combined with the South-East). I already know where these are, rather than having to try to remember your unique classification. Tue 13 Oct 2009 09:30:33 GMT+1 CyclingBob http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=65#comment118 A big improvement, the new format works, please keep it! Tue 13 Oct 2009 08:33:06 GMT+1 IanDenton http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=64#comment117 This seems a vastly better system and might actually convey information about the weather in Scotland. But - and you'll expect this - the boundaries don't make sense. Eastern Scotland comes most of the way to the west coast and the Cairngorms National Park is split in two. Also, Orkney and Shetland need a category of their own - these maritime islands just don't have the climate, never mind the weather, of the Highlands.The MetOffice website has six regions for Scotland, eight for England, and one each for N Ireland and Wales. It makes weather sense and can more or less be relied on. Tue 13 Oct 2009 08:22:12 GMT+1 David_McNickle http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=64#comment116 ZP 106, Thinly spread; like Marmite? Tue 13 Oct 2009 08:19:09 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=63#comment115 re 112, How about reserving any general description for the end of the forecast? Speaking for myself, it is the point at which I start to drift off and thereby miss the forecast for my region, but putting it at the end would keep it in (yes, it can be very useful) without risking losing the key information for your own area? Tue 13 Oct 2009 07:55:48 GMT+1 corfucheryl http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=62#comment114 Hi,I'm afraid that I haven't read all the comments so far (poor you for having to do so!) so I don't know if I'm repeating.However, maybe you could take a few pointers from our Greek tv station "Star". Look up "Petroula" on You Tube". She certainly has our local kafenion taking notice of the weather...... Tue 13 Oct 2009 06:37:31 GMT+1 DanSatterfield http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=62#comment113 I've worked as an on air Meteorologist here in the States for nearly 30 years, so I was very keen to hear the "new style" of weather presentation. I give it an A. One thing though. I would receive many complaints for omitting the overnight low temperature, but otherwise well done.Nice of you to continue to include the old Fahrenheit as well. Quite a few people on this side of the pond are still convinced that celsius is a "commie plot", but we will switch too someday. Sooner the better.Oh, and Peter Gibbs, my crazy email beats your's, but lunch is on me if you find yourself in Huntsville Al. ;)Dan SatterfieldChief Metr.WHNT TVHuntsville Alabama Tue 13 Oct 2009 06:20:46 GMT+1 cprobinson http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=61#comment112 Uhmmm… I find myself a part of a minority who still find the new forecast fairly unmemorable; is the matter settled, are we cast aside? Could it be one of life’s cruel jokes that those who have the qualities to divine the weather have been deprived the appropriate voice to present their work themselves, and that all the glory should be unfairly passed to another? I think the lady from the Northeast was good.However, I would still like to hear a real weatherman; perhaps at the beginning mystifying us with highs, depressions, and fronts; and at the end, gardening, swallows, hurricanes; yes all still much appreciated. Mon 12 Oct 2009 23:43:02 GMT+1 Dr_Bear http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=61#comment111 Much better and a real step forward, but I think there is more room for improvement. What was really missing was an opening general synopsis – using the real terminology to describe the current situation – ie. where are the current influential pressure systems (and associated fronts) and their direction/speed of travel & predicted position in 24hrs – pretty much shipping forecast style. This would give the listener a clear mental picture of the overall situation which then helps to make clear sense of the regional forecasts – so making them more memorable. If a system slows down/speeds up/changes direction the subsequent forecast could quickly use this to explain why the actual weather was not exactly as forecast.I totally agree with comments posted earlier by ‘wildwarmfront’, ‘just visitingonce’ and others re general synopsis, refinement of the regions used and some meaningful information about wind speed and direction. There is a tendency to talk down to the listener by not using ‘real’ terminology – this should change! We live in a country regularly swept by weather systems and their associated fronts; empower us by using the correct vocabulary – most of us understand it already and are fed up with the dumbed down waffle, & regular usage will help others to learn the terminology. You could add a glossary of terms (along side the map of weather regions) or even during the initial period schedule a little extra time for explaining the basics . . . . Mon 12 Oct 2009 23:22:11 GMT+1 bamburghtory http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=60#comment110 Big improvement - but is it necessary to mention the cities? They presumably are the same (more or less) as the region. Also, not sure if its sensible to combine regions (ie Eastern and North East England tonight)if the idea is to be consistent. But keep this approach, please.PS - also it was good to hear Fahrenheit. Mon 12 Oct 2009 23:09:14 GMT+1 rapidstubbers http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=60#comment109 I was disappointed with the trial weather forecast as there was no mention of likely wind conditions. Groups such as gardeners, dinghy sailors, cyclists, microlight pilots and balloonists find such information vital. Mon 12 Oct 2009 23:03:16 GMT+1 Keith Benbow http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=59#comment108 Trial weather forecast is an improvement but have the weather boys got the areas correct. We live in North East Cheshire and we are in the NW weather area. We get similar weather to North Wales which in turn gets very different weather to South Wales. They seem to have used political boundaries rather than rather than Geographic. Still need ssome more work on presentation. Mon 12 Oct 2009 21:23:24 GMT+1 Aeoleus http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=59#comment107 At last! Plain,unvarnished facts in an easy-to-assimilate manner. Just what is needed - please keep it up! Mon 12 Oct 2009 20:54:08 GMT+1 newsbean http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=58#comment106 The idea is a good one, but here in the Northwest there are wide variations in weather. The Lake District, Howgills and the Dales are very different to Cheshire and the areas around Manchester and often to each other. Can you try to give some indication of this? A big ask in a 3 minute broadcast covering the whole UK I know. Mon 12 Oct 2009 20:37:49 GMT+1 ZuluPapa http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=58#comment105 #104 LooternitePoint well made and I'm sure the BBC would share your view point completely. However three quarters of the population don't live in the south-east, we are just thinly spread over the rest of the UK ! Mon 12 Oct 2009 20:31:17 GMT+1 Anne P. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=57#comment104 Having mulled over the above I agree wholeheartedly with dropping fahrenheit, adding wind speed, and adding the wind chill factor would be useful on occasions when the effective temperature is significantly reduced.I'll leave others to decide about the division of the regions - now I know I'm in the Midlands that's fine, before I could never tell if Derbyshire was Midlands, north, east or what. Once it's finalised a permanent location online for the map with its list of counties would be useful for reference. Mon 12 Oct 2009 20:30:39 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=56#comment103 #63. ZuluPapaNo problem starting with the Southeast region as that is where most licence payers live.There is a saying "He who pays the piper calls the tune". Mon 12 Oct 2009 20:10:29 GMT+1 TonyTelford http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=56#comment102 Over the years I do feel that the weather forecast has been simplified to no good effect, and I did think that today's presentation was a step in the right direction.Surely I am not alone in wanting a brief synoptic description to set the scene for the regional weather forecast. A brief statement, for example, that an Atlantic depression will move east across the British Isles speaks volumes. Many will know why it is raining and, perhaps, for how long.Fahrenheit temperature figures should have been phased out years ago. The little time saved could be used for something else. Wind gust speeds might be more useful.Presentation is always important and on the radio voice production and modulstion are important. Nevertheless, the forecaster is describing the physical state of the atmosphere; this might mean the occasional meteorological concept is introduced with explanation. We seem to be happy with frost hollows but dare not utter the fohn effect. Mon 12 Oct 2009 19:57:09 GMT+1 fidelma10 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=55#comment101 I thought the new style weather forecast to be precise and very understandable, almost as good as the Shipping Forecast. Mon 12 Oct 2009 19:48:28 GMT+1 dragonaer http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=55#comment100 A much better format, confined to the facts. Useless words and phrases, such as 'risk' of rain, 'it'll feel warm', 'lovely autumn sunshine', and 'spits and spots of rain' were absent, thank goodness. Unfortunately, any mention of wind was also absent.Well done! Mon 12 Oct 2009 19:32:33 GMT+1 Mister-Trick http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=54#comment99 Well done. This is a great improvement. I listened to the forecast while driving; paying attention to what's happening on the road always has to be higher priority than listening to the radio. I thought the new style makes it far more likely that I will remember the forecast as wel as navigating safely through the traffic. Thanks again - hope the trial is successful Mon 12 Oct 2009 19:21:24 GMT+1 claireinlincoln http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=54#comment98 I am impressed - I have often been unsure if the forecast was including Lincolnshire when the weather for the 'East Midlands' or 'Northern' or 'Central' England was mentioned - it is nice to have a proper place on the map - it gets my vote even after just one day Mon 12 Oct 2009 19:14:45 GMT+1 reulsebravery http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=53#comment97 Yes, an improvement, you can listen to your area or border area and not worry about the rest. However why not list a few more main towns in the area. Also the wind speed in mph would be useful as well as temperature, rainfall, cloud cover and visibility.Well doneMike B Mon 12 Oct 2009 18:42:38 GMT+1 teyene http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=53#comment96 A dramatic improvement. I think a radio presentation should be just like this: concise, clear and structured. I don't even think the verbose, patronising narrative works on the television.If I need a more detailed forecast complete with with approaching fronts, accurate wind speeds, barometric pressures and the like, I can look elsewhere.Lose the farenheit temperatures and I think you're just about there. Mon 12 Oct 2009 18:42:36 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=52#comment95 Much much better. And having the map is so much better as it avoids doubt about regions when they come up. Mon 12 Oct 2009 18:41:30 GMT+1 quackers-j http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=51#comment94 Great, simple and concise with just enough detail eg. Anglesey differing from South Wales. Please include wind speed and direction. Thank you. Mon 12 Oct 2009 18:37:31 GMT+1 EddieforPM http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=51#comment93 Much better. Still more structure would be good, eg - night low temps, night precipitation, day hightemps; day cloud and sun, day precipitation, day wind and direction. Alter day/night according to time of forecast. Mon 12 Oct 2009 18:34:25 GMT+1 MrTakeitorleaveit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=50#comment92 The new format is certainly a great improvement. I have for a long time disliked the descriptive approach covering the whole country, made worse by some forecasters who confuse me by running sentences together and drawing breath in mid-sentence, presumably because there is insufficient time to do it properly. Now we have a clear statement of the area in question, followed (tonight, anyway!) by carefully-enunciated information about that area.Having said that, I must agree with several others who have complained about a dearth of wind information, and with those who think there is a strong case for a revival of "Central Southern" England. The "South-West England" and "South-East England" areas are too big. Mon 12 Oct 2009 18:31:16 GMT+1 seedy-bee http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=50#comment91 Much, much better!I think the Shipping Forecast model is the way to go. I also like the way that major cities within each Region get a mention, it helps with the localisation (if there is such a word!) Mon 12 Oct 2009 18:24:16 GMT+1 Lady_Sue http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=49#comment90 I didn't notice that much difference. I even 'listened again' as I was a bit distracted during the 'real thing'. However, it was clear and the chap reading it made a nice job of it. Perhaps it's just that I'm always willing it to be hot and sunny. Mon 12 Oct 2009 18:14:19 GMT+1 intelligentead http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=49#comment89 MUCH better. I could actually work out which bit applied to me. Often it is not at all obvious. However PLEASE can you rethink having the south east always first. This area is always given more emphasis than other areas and this trend seems to be continuing in spite of a brief attempt to change this a while back Mon 12 Oct 2009 18:05:40 GMT+1 Septic http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=48#comment88 downinlondon @61We certainly do pay the licence fee on the IoM - and receive a very poor service in return. Hardly any local TV news and no local radio. Mon 12 Oct 2009 18:04:32 GMT+1 crunchycrispanddry http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=48#comment87 I agree with Culverton it is still a dumbed down forecast, without a proper look at the whole picture. Personal I am happy with how it was.Wind speed and direction was missed out! Is it going to be a cold N or a warm wet SW wind.Min temperatures? Could there be a ground frost? If so I would consider getting some frost sensitive plants in from outside."franquinn" doesn't see the need to mention severe weather upfront! How odd! Strong winds, heavy rain can have a very serious impact on what many people do for a living, their day to day lives and any events which may be planned! The need to mention severe weather upfront IS VERY important it also gives the listener an idea of the whole picture. Mon 12 Oct 2009 18:00:15 GMT+1 bucksfourfan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=47#comment86 The new weather forecast format is a huge improvement. I always found the shipping forecast easier to take in than the chatty land forecasts.Please adopt it permanently for all weather bulletins. Mon 12 Oct 2009 17:44:08 GMT+1 robjar http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=46#comment85 Yes, very straightforward, I like the format. I like the summary at the beginning and then the detailed area-by-area forecast. I would be happy for this to be the format of all future radio forecasts. Mon 12 Oct 2009 17:38:00 GMT+1 MuddyMeldrew http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=46#comment84 I wouldn't say it was 'great' or 'brilliant' but certainly better. At least there's no risk of an entire area being missed out as has happened recently with certain forecasters who have been too interested in giving out flowery nonsense. Mon 12 Oct 2009 17:37:26 GMT+1 Tobyjugger http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=45#comment83 That was perfect. Please keep it up.I would not however agree with the comment in pm tonight that the map on TV is particularly useful, because of the way the camera scans over it. Most of the viewers for most of the time are looking at areas in which they have no interest. If you could see all of the map all of the time (with symbols)then a glance at any time during the broadcast would be convenient for everybody, even if the commentary was missed (which in my case it often is, in much the same way that radio listeners have referred to). Mon 12 Oct 2009 17:34:56 GMT+1 urganda1746 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=45#comment82 Yes. It's better.What really annoys me about radio 4 weather forecasts is the patronising tone. Very few of your listeners are primary school children.We want the facts with NO feeling.Weather isn't good or bad. I feel brainwashed after hearing Laura Tobin. She's the worst but all are guilty of playing on the emotions. Mon 12 Oct 2009 17:32:39 GMT+1 Thehonestman http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/10/what_do_you_think_of_the_new_w.shtml?page=44#comment81 The forecast changes werent radical enough. They are still rubbish. I live 20 miles from John O Groats and still have no idea if the weather is going to improve tomorrow (drier) or gets worse (continued rain/wind direction??). NO IDEA. I couldnt give two hoots about the temperature in Birmingham or Aberdeen - they tell nothing anyway - so what if they are 2 degrees different!! Waste of time.Why dont you quickly overview the important positions of any highs or low near the UK (ie a "mild" depression off Ireland etc) and any fronts coming in (from the north west etc) and when they might start passing over the country. From this, any educated idiot can work out the sort of weather over the UK (and Orkney and ~ Shetland) for the next 24 hours. And anyway, why start with the south? What wrong with starting from the North? If you did, I could turn off my radio quicker.... Mon 12 Oct 2009 17:31:10 GMT+1