Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml en-gb 30 Thu 30 Jul 2015 07:34:43 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml PeterPannier http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=98#comment80 I'm wondering why the Vestas story has dropped off the mainstream news radar? In July and August there was plenty of coverage of the factory occupation by 11 workers as an attempt to save the 600 jobs affected by Vestas deciding to close the profitable factory on the St. Cross Business Park, Dodnor Lane, Newport, Isle of Wight. The other week, when Ed Miliband mentioned Vestas in his speech, the whole of the TUC audience turned their backs on him to applaud the Vestas workers who had unfurled a huge 'Nationalise Vestas Now' banner. Earlier that day, the RMT had reported that a majority of the British public supported nationalisation of the factory. This barely scraped the mainstream news. Last week, when - at 6.30am - 120 police from the mainland were shipped in to evict a protest camp near the factory - the mainstream news was suspiciously silent. Why is this? I contacted PM, Radio 4, Radio 5 and BBC News 24 personally to inform them of this story, but heard nothing on any of these channels (nor, I might add on Channel 4, Sky News, or ITV, where I had also sent Press Releases and made telephone contact).Ever heard of censorship by omission?5 people are in court tomorrow (Tuesday 29th September) for actions taken as protest aimed at Vestas/the Government, and as part of the ongoing campaign to support the Vestas workers. Perhaps these court cases will be deemed worthy of coverage? After all, 4 of those appearing were originally threatened - completely erroneously - with being charged under the Terrorism Act.Surely there's a story there?see: savevestas.wordpress.com for more information and telephone contacts. Mon 28 Sep 2009 12:46:34 GMT+1 PeterPannier http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=97#comment79 Mon 28 Sep 2009 12:40:03 GMT+1 alberttones http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=96#comment78 I suggest that the dear dark Liffeywater of the blessed Arthur has increased the sum of human misery rather than reduced it, suggest that it has oiled the wheels of much domestic misery and social hardship; let's not hear a lot of misty eyed blarney about it.It's a tasty drop. A lot nicer than a pint of Belgian 'wife beater'. Fri 25 Sep 2009 09:15:12 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=95#comment77 T8 etc @ 76re modding - more likely a resentful fellow blogger, I'm afraid, as no one else's messages have been referred.Personally, I doubt if there's anything very serious involved - I used to be an infant teacher, the kids would often say things they hadn't a clue about, including wearing these bands. As far as older children are concerned, they don't have to wear them if they don't want to. Thu 24 Sep 2009 13:49:41 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=93#comment76 61 is now back. I see the mods have, very sensibly, decided not to confirm the referral. Thu 24 Sep 2009 13:44:03 GMT+1 T8-eh-T8 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=92#comment75 As the originator of the topic of shagbands, I am curious at the selctive moderation. Perhaps if you have it as one word it is permitted.I can only assume that the Springwatch forum ios a little more liberal with the word shag, likewise the carpet and pipe smoking forums.FF@55I was told about this whole thinig by my sistet who was with her friend when she questioned her 11 y/o about the bracelets. They are certainly being sold, and are certainly being worn. The question remains as to how serious an implication this has, whether it is a tool for co-ersing youngsters to do things they would rather not. Thu 24 Sep 2009 13:38:22 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=91#comment74 You could, perhaps, use your pint (see 72 above) to make a tasty steak and ale pie, Looternite? Thu 24 Sep 2009 12:18:57 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=90#comment73 Am I being thick today or what!I have googled Arthur's Day and now I know.I don't drink the stuff myself as it is very much a wind making brew.Whoops must watch the language might get modded. Thu 24 Sep 2009 12:17:48 GMT+1 The Wrath Is Come http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=88#comment72 Ahh Arthur's day. Break open the black stuff! Thu 24 Sep 2009 12:10:41 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=87#comment71 A pint of the Liffywater coming up for you, Looternite! ;o) Thu 24 Sep 2009 11:56:57 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=86#comment70 #70. PrestonFirmlieArthur's Day? never heard of it am I missing something important. Thu 24 Sep 2009 11:47:49 GMT+1 U14138029 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=85#comment69 It may be that the mods have started celebrating Arthur's Day before the official kick-off time of 17:59. Thu 24 Sep 2009 11:28:59 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=83#comment68 A modding system which allows such malice is quite useless. Thu 24 Sep 2009 11:20:51 GMT+1 lucien desgai http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=82#comment67 67 BigSisSh*g banned? Thu 24 Sep 2009 11:05:13 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=81#comment66 Further to my 61 (currently referred) I would like to point out that the only grounds upon which that post could have been referred under House Rules would be the use of a word beginning with S and ending with G. I have just checked and there are currently four other posts on this thread where that word is used, and my 61 was in response to one of these. None of these other posts has been referred.If there is anyone using this blog who feels it just and correct that only I am to be singled out for use of the word - which was being used appropriately and in context, incidently, and not gratuitously or to cause offence - would they be courteous enough to explain to me their reasoning? Or, indeed, if they have referred it for 'another' reason, perhaps they would like to explain this? If I receive no explanation, I shall have to conclude that their intent was malicious. Thu 24 Sep 2009 11:01:23 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=80#comment65 re my 61 (in response to 60): This referral is just plain daft. Thu 24 Sep 2009 10:48:45 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=79#comment64 Looks like the modding system is as broken as ever ... Thu 24 Sep 2009 10:37:42 GMT+1 lucien desgai http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=77#comment63 63 BigSisExactly ... so much is spoken about teaching children respect when what they really need to learn is trust. Thu 24 Sep 2009 09:48:19 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=76#comment62 L-d: I've found that empathising with children usually results in a stronger relationship. It's so important for a child to know they can trust a responsible adult, particularly when the big problems begin to emerge, so I begin with the little things. Thu 24 Sep 2009 09:42:32 GMT+1 lucien desgai http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=75#comment61 61 BigSisI'm sure laughter is the best response - a light-hearted antidote to the purity rings of religious fundamentalists. Thu 24 Sep 2009 09:36:40 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=74#comment60 Re 'shag bands' - We found ourselves in the rather amusing position a couple of weeks ago of being 'protected' by our young grandchildren (aged 6 and 8 respectively) about these. They were wearing similar wristbands and began giggling coyly when we commented on them. They told us they were friendship bands, but began giggling so much that we began to wonder what was the cause of so much mirth. In great embarrassment, they eventually told us that they were actually 'shag bands', but it was clear from what they said and the way they said it that it was the name of the band rather than the act which caused them such embarrassment. I was secretly delighted that they trusted us sufficiently to tell us this and, as I usually do in such circumstances, I laughed with them. It was clear, from what they said, that for them it was a bit of a joke. The report in Looternite's link has given me more background about this. I'm not worried in the case of the grandchildren, living as they do in a pretty safe environment, but I can see how these bands could lay a child open to unwanted advances in a way that they may not anticipate. Thu 24 Sep 2009 09:28:53 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=72#comment59 Shag Bands: this links to story in Sheffieldhttp://www.sheffieldtelegraph.co.uk/news2/Childrens-shag-band-fashion-craze.5641787.jp Wed 23 Sep 2009 17:58:58 GMT+1 Blogarooney http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=71#comment58 Sid (56) You have a point. Not a good idea to give it publicity nless of course it casuing a major problem in the NE. Wed 23 Sep 2009 16:15:27 GMT+1 pithywriter http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=70#comment57 Suggestion - see below.. this one is obviously for tomorrow but seeing as the Today programme gave it so little time this morning and had so few searching questions - indeed I was in a state yelling at the radio...THIS IS WHAT I SENT TO 'NO BLOG' TODAY PROG.. follows: RE NHS AGAIN SORRY.."this is a worrying NHS story coming after the story ALSO this week of many GPs missing symptoms etc..Ok I have an 'axe', I almost died of a burst appendix through being prejudged for being 17 and pregnant and now I have a niece who was diagnosed last year with post natal depression when she had TB (she had just returned from India and had classic symptoms) which because THE TB was left so long it is now resistant (and there is much worse I could add) QuestionHOW MANY is A 6% to 8% RISE IN DEATHS IN 300,000patients????answer a bloody lot of unnecessary deaths. Yet the piece below says it is a SMALL increase etc...STORY follows;'Deaths rise' with junior doctorsResearchers say they have found a small but statistically significant increase in the number of patients who die each year when junior doctors start work. It continues..."An Imperial College team looked at 300,000 emergency patients admitted to English hospitals between 2000 to 2008. So I suggest that the Health protection Team be brought in FOR INTERVIEW to tell us what they think - in light of the fact they were brought in to deal with closing farms and ecoli last week?We could ask them too what their Health Protection role is considering the continuation (uniquely in this country in EU) of the almost preventable super bug situation with UK hospitals not being closed (for political reasons and because it's 'only' mainly older people dying and suffering if they survive... bloody hell This is England etc...! So I want to know Where are the 'seniors' docs during August? in south of france, on the golf course or at their private clinics...??? what the **** (profanity alert) is going on in the NHS when I do not get offered a junior at the dentist, hairdressers, garage or to do my plumbing - Also, what is the situation in France and Germany where I may be next August.. thanks Eddie Wed 23 Sep 2009 15:50:04 GMT+1 U14138029 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=69#comment56 It has also been a story that has variations back to the 70s. Wed 23 Sep 2009 14:31:08 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=67#comment55 I'm not at work, so I've checked ... The Urban Dictionary suggests that:"No one actually believes that if they break someone’s black band that, that person has to have sex with them. That’s ridiculous and stupid."There's also a suggestion that the more the grown-ups get worried about this sort of thing, the more fun the kids will find it ... Wed 23 Sep 2009 14:07:57 GMT+1 Fearless Fred http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=66#comment54 T8-eh-T8 (12) & Blogarooney (53) I seem to recall this being reported a while back as well. I'm hesitant to to a search here at work (given the words invlved), but it would be worth checking against places like Snopes* to see it this is a real worry. I'm not saying it isn't, mind you. If it is real, it certainly would be a worry for any parent. I'm just a bit wary, having heard this before....*other internet myth-busting reference sites are available. Wed 23 Sep 2009 13:44:25 GMT+1 Blogarooney http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=65#comment53 Upshares DownsharesWhilst I sort of like this part of the show and like the different musical intros, I really am less interested in the narrow issue of FTSE and NASDAQ but I do recall in past years the BBC used to always give the 'balance of trade' figures. This I thought used to give us a simple but clear picture of our economic well being as a trading nation. Is this not useful anymore? Wed 23 Sep 2009 13:42:58 GMT+1 Blogarooney http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=64#comment52 (12) Shag bandsMight be a North East problem. Hope it doesn't travel further and that it is contained. I am a parent Governor at a secondary school and it is the sort of thing that Governors get to hear about. No sign of it (yet) in S Yorks. Wed 23 Sep 2009 13:33:15 GMT+1 Helena-Handbasket http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=62#comment51 #43 T8While the phrase 'terraced house' might conjure up a rather less than palatial image to some, I'm afraid neither the picture of huge edwardian family homes, nor the details of the boroughs involved in that article (Westminster, Kensington & Chelsea and the City), do much to illustrate your point. Wed 23 Sep 2009 12:31:33 GMT+1 funnyJoedunn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=61#comment50 'What do we want'? 'Gradual codswallop'!'When do we want it'...?...'er'...codswallop! Wed 23 Sep 2009 12:23:12 GMT+1 Helena-Handbasket http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=60#comment49 I'm sad that the Great Weather Experiment(tm) - (or should that be PMtm?) seems to have had no permanent effect. For the past two evenings the weather report has whiffled* on in the background with me in daydreaming oblivion until I'm snapped to attention by the pips without a clue what the next day holds. Thank goodness I've got these clear, glass rectangular things to look through - but that's not much help for my husband's daily 'to cycle or not to cycle to work tomorrow' dilemma. So can I don my screever's** hat and plead for some follow-up with the powers that be for a switch to the (clear favourite) fishing forecast style?Allow me now to segue to the story I saw about a new book out Thursday to save us all from onomatomania, or 'vexation at not being able to find the right word.' (Linky: http://tinyurl.com/lp9kf5 ).I particularly liked the phrase 'drive turkeys to the market' to describe the side-to-side gait of someone slightly the worse for drink.The author too has a favourite: "In bingo, the number 80 is referred to as “Gandhi” bec­ause he ate nothing," he said. -----------------------------------------------------------*To move or think erratically; To blow in fitful gusts; puff.** a writer of begging letters. Wed 23 Sep 2009 11:52:12 GMT+1 steelpulse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=59#comment48 I will not name the gentleman but I thought it verged on bullying - allegedly of course.They were discussing Romantic Comedies on FiveLive yesterday afternoon and mentioned the Jerry Maguire film.The best line in the movie - if not the most famous - comes from the lead actress after listening to a lot of toffee from the Tom Cruise character - well he comes in - says "hello" and goes on a bit - at least two chewy toffees worth - hence...lolAnd eventually Mr Maguire professes undying love for someone or another. I had lost the will to watch by then of course.Ms Rene Zellweger looks down at our handsome hero - lol - and quotes - "You had me at (the word) Hello!" Squelch!The BBC TV news - another politician proving that admitting one hasn't talked to ones colleagues in politics - is a no no - seemingly - to admit it. I am puzzled still why it is but hey.....I withdraw my interest stated yesterday in becoming a politician, Edward. I would have just said "No we did not" to the ofted asked again query "Were you told behand about the Mansion Tax?"What is the worst that could have possibly happened if I had answered so? They even cited the Michael Howrd/Jeremy Paxman encounter to show how futile and memorable such face offs are. Dah!What is the worst that could happen? I would soon find out if I were a politician. But BBC reporter - you had your "No I did not" at the first time of asking. It just wasn't audible. Wed 23 Sep 2009 11:52:01 GMT+1 lordBeddGelert http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=58#comment47 Froggers, Do you think, since anyone successful in this country [Brucie] is routinely slated in a way diametrically opposite to the reverence accorded to them in the States [not in itself necessarily a bad thing..] should we have a 'tall poppy' campaign to show how important and successful and well loved Eddie Mair is by being astonishingly rude and cheeky about him ?? I will start things off. I met him once and not only did he say 'Lord Bedd Who?' he completely refused to sign my autograph book after having waited for him in the rain for 19 hours * * Of course, this is completely made up - but I can't let the fact that I've never met Mr Mair get in the way of this noble project.. Wed 23 Sep 2009 11:36:56 GMT+1 U14146942 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=56#comment46 40, 45Yep, sorry. '83. Wed 23 Sep 2009 10:53:29 GMT+1 funnyJoedunn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=55#comment45 Sid,George Harrison played Sitar with the Beatles. Wed 23 Sep 2009 10:52:10 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=54#comment44 #40. MyPreferenceI think you mean '83 election.During the SDP years Shirley (traitor) Williams and her pals spent their time attacking Labour and from memory they were hardly concerned with Fatch. The reason was because the gang-of-four set up the SDP to replace Labour, as Labour was considered by them as left wing.So the Tories had free reign to do as they wanted, as Labour had to fight of constant (the media loved it) attacks from within and the SDP, Liberals, Murdoch newspapers and the Tories. Wed 23 Sep 2009 10:35:30 GMT+1 Fearless Fred http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=53#comment43 MP (40) WRONG! In percentage terms, more people voted against the Conservatives than for them in that election. That does NOT mean that the Tories would not have been elected. Percentage of vote does not translate into number of seats awarded in the HoC. Wed 23 Sep 2009 10:31:01 GMT+1 T8-eh-T8 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=51#comment42 Whilst we continue to refer to the Mansion Tax, here is an article from a couple of years ago where a central Lobdon terraced house would cost £1m+.http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/mortgages-and-homes/house-prices/article.html?in_article_id=407886&in_page_id=57So quite possibly not just the super-rich who get stung. Wed 23 Sep 2009 10:29:33 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=50#comment41 #39. T8-eh-T8I am sure that if you have a house worth just in excess of a million you will employ an acountant who will get the "value" down. Also the true value is only known when the house is sold. The really big houses do not come on the market very often and I am led to believe that many of these million pound+ houses are owned by companies, some overseas registered. Wed 23 Sep 2009 10:16:42 GMT+1 U14146942 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=49#comment40 36Sid, that's impossible. Wed 23 Sep 2009 10:15:52 GMT+1 U14146942 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=48#comment39 25The Gang of Four slagged off the Labour Party during the crucial years up to the '79 election.In the '93 election 23 + 28 (the SDP and Labour percentage votes) COMBINED would have kept Thatcher out. Wed 23 Sep 2009 10:14:02 GMT+1 T8-eh-T8 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=46#comment38 Surely the proposed Mansion Tax will have a similar effect on house prices as the Stamp Duty bandings did/have.That is house prices will be capped, with houses offered for sale at £999,950 in order to make them attractive to buyers not wanting to pay prohibitive ammounts of tax.So effectively all we achieve is to constrain the inflation within the housing market, restricting the equity held in peoples houses.Maybe no bad thing, some may say, but it has little to do with raising money. Wed 23 Sep 2009 10:08:37 GMT+1 funnyJoedunn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=45#comment37 Big Sis, (26)I had a bad experience with a GP surgery where I was forced to complain to the then 'health care commission'. The surgery and in particular the GP i had complained about were quite shoddy in their care of me as a patient. In the GP case, I concluded that in the end it was probably more down to his age and lack of modern awareness of certain issues. I believe the practice these days is to make sure GPs are kept up with modern practices and discoveries. I was treated for a complaint I didn't have and neglected in another serious medical complaint. When I eventually did see a specialist he was able to diagnose immediately what the complaint was and was very simply treated within a few weeks. I had undergone about four years of permanent abdominal pain before this. The local authority gave me another surgery but, I was greeted with a cold shoulder and closed ranks and basically treated as a problem patient by the new surgery. I opted to see the locums and new younger doctors as, I knew they would not be as cynical as, I knew they would have less of a vested interest. The young trainee female GP seemed really concerned about my welfare and was very helpful. Things have changed since then and I now have a good working relationship with my surgery and the Docs don't seem so cynical. I think much of the problem was down to communication and social skills which in the past was taken as a given in a GP surgery. However, they are human like the rest of us and need to learn social skills too...yada yada yada... Wed 23 Sep 2009 10:07:47 GMT+1 U14146942 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=44#comment36 22There's so few of them they're all senior.And tightly knit. I should think the Beeb is reporting hints to the wise it's received.If no more than one of them was from the Oxbridge cabal that run the set up, you'd nearly have a point. Wed 23 Sep 2009 10:03:44 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=43#comment35 RSM - I think you may be more interested in the Lib Dems than I am!! Wed 23 Sep 2009 10:03:26 GMT+1 Richard_SM http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=41#comment34 Codswallop Tax policy Chris Huhne says the "mansion tax" policy, (described by Lib Dems as "complete codswallop", "suicidal" and "seriously damaging,") was carefully considered and discussed over time by senior Lib Dems. "The reality is this is a plan that has been carefully considered, that was discussed over time in the shadow cabinet." Wed 23 Sep 2009 09:58:42 GMT+1 U14146942 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=40#comment33 20In a hung Parliament you couldn't trust the Lib Dems to support helping the very worst off.They swing both ways.The Lib Dems aspiration on OAPs and Benefits, highlighted yesterday by....Sid........is just vague hot air. Wed 23 Sep 2009 09:56:30 GMT+1 Thomsk51 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=39#comment32 Re - Cover pricingI fear the Construction industry has again been tarnished by the pre-judged conclusions of the uninformed. Cover pricing, (as opposed to illegal, immoral and utterly unacceptable “collusion”) is the inevitable result of the client’s and/or his agent’s commissioning methods. The tendering service provided by Building and Civil Engineering Contractors appears to customers to be “free at the point of service”. Yet tendering is a very expensive process for the contractor, often requiring temporary works design, forensic pricing skills, a knowledge of Contract Law and the ability to make shrewd commercial risk assessments. These skills and this time is not paid for by the specific client requesting a price and those costs have to become part of the company’s overheads and are therefore paid for only by the customers who actually place an order. In my 30 years experience in construction it was not at all unusual to spend a week or more putting together and sending a detailed tender document which was never acknowledged, where the client refused to discuss the outcome and where the results were never published. Feedback often proved impossible to obtain and following up of tenders was treated as an unwelcome intrusion.Unsurprisingly therefore, an enquiry received at a very busy time, or one not well aligned with the company’s skills or (as often is the case) one sent to nine other contractors as well, is not necessarily a welcome opportunity but one where costs will be incurred in the certain knowledge that there will be no return other than continued opportunities to price that customer’s projects.Not returning, or declining a tender opportunity is seldom a welcomed response because the commissioning agent wants to report to his client with four prices and a clear recommendation. Asking a rival for, or giving a rival a “cover price” solves these issues and maintains the goodwill of the Architect, Engineer or Surveyor. Since that rival will himself not necessarily be the “winning” contractor there is no collusion and no guarantee of any particular outcome.The solution to all this, of course, is simply to pay Contractors for the tendering process and publish the results publicly. This will inhibit clients from asking ten Builders to price his little job, allow Contractors to run a viable estimating department and, who knows, finance an enquiry into those customers who get six companies to provide a free pricing service so he can then give the job to his brother-in-law. Wed 23 Sep 2009 09:52:41 GMT+1 U14146942 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=38#comment31 19This post is in reply to what, then?Or is it just a Lib Dem aspiration? Wed 23 Sep 2009 09:52:25 GMT+1 U14146942 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=37#comment30 19Oh, bitter irony. 'Cos we're all waiting to see which way Clegg takes his party. I'm sure his party will be the first to be told. Wed 23 Sep 2009 09:49:28 GMT+1 U14146942 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=35#comment29 13Fewer gaps needed, LD? Wed 23 Sep 2009 09:47:23 GMT+1 U14146942 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=34#comment28 13, unlucky....for not being good?Ah, pedantry, a dying art? One can only hope. Wed 23 Sep 2009 09:46:33 GMT+1 funnyJoedunn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=33#comment27 Big Sis, (17)I am with you totally. Thank you for sharing this. I too would like to see more emphasis on safeguards and real assessment of the whole situation in these matters. Its too late once the act has been carried out! I have sat through a coroners court where a hospital was on trial for allegedly sending geriatric patients to a certain ward where it was the policy, they would never come out of that ward under their own steam. The medical decision was made and that was that. Some would linger for months and in one case over a year with minimal comfort and food etc. I heard testimony from ancillaries who said they would sneak food to patients who could still eat when the medical decision had been made to, well, basically starve them under the auspice that they could choke on food. Although, no personal responsibility was upheld on any member of staff, It was very traumatising for the relatives of the people who had died on that ward. The hospital was forced to change its policy. Not due to a moral sense of duty but due to bad publicity. Shame! I still feel it now as I write. Wed 23 Sep 2009 09:40:26 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=32#comment26 I appreciated I've just invented (inadvertently) a new sex. But I did mean feMale ... Wed 23 Sep 2009 09:32:55 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=30#comment25 Re fenale doctors: I think it is possible they are trusted more, or perhaps distrusted less, if that makes sense.I'm interested that Joe prefers a female doctor - my SO was very suspicious when he joined our GP practice and was given a female GP, but he is now absolutely won over and thinks she's the best GP he's ever had. I've chosen to have female GPs for about thirty years now - but, as a woman, it is a no brainer to make such a choice given some of the issues we need to discuss! ;o) Wed 23 Sep 2009 09:32:20 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=29#comment24 Looternite - blaming Shirley Williams for Thatcher's excesses seems a little unfair ... Wed 23 Sep 2009 09:30:35 GMT+1 David_McNickle http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=28#comment23 Ln 18, Because Noo Labour isn't. Wed 23 Sep 2009 09:28:33 GMT+1 funnyJoedunn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=27#comment22 Sid (13)In a GP setting, I have had excellent experiences when opting for a trainee locum. Both male and female, although, I did prefer the female but thats because I'm a man.In a hospital setting, junior Doctors seem a little overwhelmed at times and I felt a little bit like a piece of cattle. However, I have had excellent service from hospital specialists and trust them more.I think its one of those professions where familiarity can breed cynicism in a few doctors. Wed 23 Sep 2009 09:23:04 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=25#comment21 "This morning, at a 9am meeting of frontbenchers, the leadership was confronted with one MP describing Cable's idea as "complete codswallop"."Interesting how 'one MP' becomes 'senior Lib Dems'. Wed 23 Sep 2009 09:20:00 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=24#comment20 #20. SidA lot less now, than there was when Williams was in government. It was because of the Gang of Four that helped keep Thatch in power, reversing social reform. Wed 23 Sep 2009 09:16:31 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=23#comment19 Looternite - has Labour got rid of social deprivation? Wed 23 Sep 2009 09:12:44 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=22#comment18 One of the great things about the Lib Dems is that policy is not determined by the leader! Wed 23 Sep 2009 09:11:53 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=20#comment17 Hearing Shirley (traitor) Williams on Womans Hour, if she was so moved by social deprivation why did she leave Labour. Wed 23 Sep 2009 09:09:46 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=19#comment16 Joe (11) Thanks for your reply. Sadly, the outcome of the case close to me was not a good one and has left much bitterness, but the fallout would have been far worse had the matter been challenged in open forum. As I used to work with the elderly, I'm aware of how easily they can be preyed upon, and have strong views on the matter, as you can imagine. The elderly, in particular, have no wish to rock boats, but it is tragic to observe some having to live their latter years aware of being exploited by family members yet unwilling to cause family rifts. I earnestly wish there could be some form of protection set up which would stop this kind of thing from happening. Wed 23 Sep 2009 09:04:43 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=18#comment15 #13. SidThanks for that link. Made interesting reading. However, there was no connexion with age. I understand that women are entering the medical profession in increasing numbers and so the younger the doctor the more likely they are to be women. It may be that men doctors are not keeping up to modern standards. Wed 23 Sep 2009 09:04:39 GMT+1 David_McNickle http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=17#comment14 More on US health:http://pol.moveon.org/insurance_execs/?id=17285-1373548-n9FpNFx&t=1 Wed 23 Sep 2009 09:02:55 GMT+1 Richard_SM http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=16#comment13 Clegg/Cable policy "Complete codswallop" say Lib DemsSenior Lib Dems have described the policy outlined by Nicky Clegg and Vince Cable as "complete codswallop." http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6844322.ece Wed 23 Sep 2009 09:00:12 GMT+1 Sindy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=14#comment12 Another NHS story ... are male doctors worse than female doctors?http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/bad-doctors-are-overwhelmingly-men-1791696.html... or are they just less likely to be reported?"They are less likely to be investigated over concerns about their behaviour, clinical skills or conduct and are significantly less likely to be suspended or excluded from work than their male colleagues." Wed 23 Sep 2009 08:57:34 GMT+1 T8-eh-T8 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=13#comment11 Shagbands(please excuse the vernacular)I just found out about these, and I am a little alarmed. They are a fashion accessory popular with schoolkids, comprising a plastic bracelet of one or more different colours. The colours represent a different sexual act, and if the bracelet is snapped by somebody, the wearer is obliged to perform this sexual act. This ranges from a kiss or a hug through to full intercourse and oral acts.Apparently some schools have taken steps to ban these. Naturally there are versions and vatiations of the theme. Some see the bands as momentos of what they have done, no doubt with some bravado attached. But either way, these things are being sold to children, some of whom will be pressured into sexual activity they are not comfortable with.Am I just an over-sensitive parent?Or is this something that everyone else is familiar with but I have only just found out about?Is this a regional phenomenon? I am in the North East of England. Wed 23 Sep 2009 08:56:29 GMT+1 funnyJoedunn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=12#comment10 Big Sis, (6)Thank you. Very insightful and understanding of my concerns. It people with experience of these issues that need to have their voice heard too. I hope the experience you cite in people close was resolved to a satifactory place. (:-) Wed 23 Sep 2009 08:56:06 GMT+1 lordBeddGelert http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=11#comment9 Another z-list wannabe who can't handle other people being more well-known and successful than whoever-he-is...http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8269600.stm Wed 23 Sep 2009 08:50:51 GMT+1 Richard_SM http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=9#comment8 Britain’s Weapons of Mass DestructionWhat are the full costs of replacing Trident? This report suggests it will have a lifetime cost of £97billion and with the carrier project amounts to costs of around £130billion.http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/blog/peace/trident-costs-are-running-out-control-20090917Options:1) Go ahead with Trident replacement.2) Hand Trident project to EU.3) Hand Trident project to UN.4) Scrap Trident. Wed 23 Sep 2009 08:44:09 GMT+1 Richard_SM http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=8#comment7 Nuclear Weapons There was significant development at the UN Nuclear Assembly in Vienna last Thursday/Friday, but BBC didn’t seem to want to report it, preferring instead to give hourly coverage to a relatively insignificant march in Iran.The UN Nuclear Assembly passed resolutions on Israel’s nuclear arsenal.Western states attempted to block the resolutions arguing Israel was being “singled out,” which seems strange given recent efforts to “single out” Iran.Will BBC be mentioning this news as part of it’s coverage on nuclear weapons?http://www.reuters.com/article/gc08/idUSTRE58H3QW20090918 Wed 23 Sep 2009 08:34:49 GMT+1 lordBeddGelert http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=7#comment6 pithywriter - controversial !! http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p004hgg2 Paddy is doing Strictly [in 60s]! Wonder when Eddie is going to be let loose ! Wed 23 Sep 2009 08:27:19 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=6#comment5 Joe (5): My understanding is that the only change proposed is that people are unlikely to be prosecuted in the event of having assisted a suicide. I suspect that it has been left slightly 'loose' precisely so that, if there are any suspicions of anything untoward, there is the option to prosecute. I suspect that is the best that can be offered without actually legalising assisted suicide, which isn't, from what I've understood, being contemplated.The issue of people benefitting from the death of another is a thorny one. There are cases (and I'm aware of one very close to me) where people have benefitted substantially from the estate of somebody over whom they had power of attorney. With PoA, and where no solicitors are involved, a will can be proved without any difficulty, unless there are living relatives of the deceased. This was the case in the instance of which I'm aware. Those who are aware that there may have been impropriety find themselves having to decide whether to openly challenge the will (which could cause immense harm to other relationships) in order to seek clarity or whether to let the matter pass. Greed, I fear, is probably the worst enemy of morality.Perhaps the debate about assisted suicide will open up a wider debate about how we can establish better safeguards to ensure that baser instincts in humankind can be curbed? Wed 23 Sep 2009 08:21:46 GMT+1 funnyJoedunn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=4#comment4 Assisted suicide,At the risk of being accused of being 'preachy', I have to declare, I am not against assisted suicide. I know it is said the law will now have been clarified but, from what I can gather, any suspicion of anything untoward or an independent complaint, is going to be down to someone making an individual judgment call on an individual case like the DPP. It still looks like no change to me?It is said there will be sufficient safeguards for the vulnerable and those not having a competent mind but, how will this be defined and enforced/enacted in reality. I also note there is now no distinction being made between pysical disability (a quality of 'longer' life issue) and terminal illnes. Mental health too is a difficulty. Suicidal tendencies are seen as a symptom of mental health conditions. But, they are also seen as a release from the nightmare too by some sufferers. Who and what defines a competent mind?Many people own property and/or a modicum of money these days which isn't unusual. At what point and who decides when a person/s will benefit financially form another's assisted death? How and who would decide in the case of a well off 'suicidee'? What length of time, if any, will be needed between expressing a desire to die and the assisted act being carried out? A week, a month, a year,...oh I get it each case will be looked upon on it's merits...I assume. Where the real change? As I have said, I am not against assisted suicide. My concerns come from my experience of that modern term 'mission creep' where somehow things that were never intended to become accetable are now ok. Mainly, due to lack of challenge. Wed 23 Sep 2009 07:59:16 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=3#comment3 If I remember correctly wasn't it the convention that the party in government held their party conference last.This seems not to be the case now. Since 1979 the Tories have had their conference last.I think it would be interesting to find out why the Tories are now always last. Wed 23 Sep 2009 07:51:43 GMT+1 pithywriter http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=2#comment2 Sorry one more:I just heard Prince William speaking on Today progI think he is 27 yet I was struck by his inarticulate speech manner (albeit posh). Yet this Eton educated young man has speech sounding as strangled as the average teen's on my north London estate....or one of those BBC vox pop interviews with the average joe in the Street... Why? PS I am not going on about accent here but rather the inability of (most Brits) being able to speak clearly - unlike our average American cousins who seem always able to express themselves using the English language beautifully. Can we have a piece on the average Brit's inarticulacy ? Wed 23 Sep 2009 06:17:45 GMT+1 pithywriter http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=1#comment1 A good news story... http://www.incredible-edible-todmorden.co.uk/I heard this on Farming Today (where there are often some really interesting main stream yet ignored news items....This morning I heard one of the two local women (who are pushing their town wide growing food everywhere idea) speaking. I was struck by her unusual articulacy and zest.. her soft west yorkshire accent was really compelling and her enthusiasm etc. I think you should listen again and go there to cover the story for PM for it deserves to be spread nation wide and would be so easy to do. E.G On my estate we have acres of 'dead' ground (grass) yet a neighbour was stopped growing salads around his flat by the dead hand of Camden Council . Also, we have untrained expensive garden contractors who pulled up my potatos and holly hocks thinking them weeds (I'd sneaked in five seed potatoes to see how they would do also holly hock seeds) this was very upsetting and leads to a feeling of low quality of life.... Wed 23 Sep 2009 06:07:54 GMT+1 pithywriter http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/the_am_glass_box_85.shtml?page=0#comment0 Hi Ed and co. please cover the following serious story.First week of August is when new doctors are let loose on NHS patients... 6 - 8% more die. Today prog thought it funny.. but I do not. Please find out where the 'seniors' are i.e. south of France, at the golf course or at their lucrative private practices???? I found this statement on the News blog..."Local hospitals must ensure that they responsibly manage the introduction of new junior doctors each August by providing appropriate senior cover and supervision." Well then, if I go to my hairdresser or dentist or garage.. I do not get the junior let loose on me do I?? Just because the nhs is FREE (which it is not) why should we put up with this? and what is the case in the EU health services? I would like to know as I will likely be in France and Germany next year's first week August etc...(get my point) Thank you Wed 23 Sep 2009 05:53:55 GMT+1