Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml en-gb 30 Sat 23 Aug 2014 01:37:44 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml The Stainless Steel Cat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=97#comment33 LD (33)::o) Very good! Tue 08 Sep 2009 05:04:49 GMT+1 lucien desgai http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=94#comment32 32 SSCHe's only in it for the quack. Mon 07 Sep 2009 16:57:23 GMT+1 The Stainless Steel Cat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=91#comment31 Dennis_Junior (31):I mentioned that earlier, but your phrasing now makes me wonder... Is Terry a "lame-duck" presenter now? Mon 07 Sep 2009 16:51:46 GMT+1 dennisjunior1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=88#comment30 Carolyn:What about the decision of Terry Wogan and his time left on Radio 2....=Dennis Junior= Mon 07 Sep 2009 14:44:14 GMT+1 Hawk http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=85#comment29 #16 Yes, they should be paid double. I work in the freight industry and my company does NOT pay double time for working Sunday's. Therefore, no-one drives on Sunday and the company does not plan to move any freight on a Sunday. However, with the passenger industry, we're talking a different kettle of fish. People still need to travel and the train company should pay double time, or at the very least, time and two thirds and Sunday working should be on a rota so everyone gets a fair crack at the whip.Something completely different: has anyone noticed that the terrorist suspect that has been released from his supervision order was a dual nationality British/Libyian? Me thinks that he may have been part of that Megrahi/oil/Scotland deal. Seems too much of a coincidence to me. Mon 07 Sep 2009 14:11:45 GMT+1 LionHeartedLion http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=82#comment28 27And talking of equality:5000 on the Ftse is back in sight! And only the poor suffer as these guys create for themselves so much spending power!120 points up since Thursday! With inflation at minus 2 per cent that has got to be worth another 100 points!Don't forget the 2 per cent inflation add-on!That's another hundred points!Oh the EXUBERANCE of it! Hike after hike in their bubbly money creation pseudo boom! And to accommodate the extra spending power, just cut government spending on state schools and NHS hospitals.C'mon Mervyn, at least make the City hold government debt with the money they are talking into creation.Go on, lad! Expropriate the City hedge etc funds! Red Adair would back you!Did I say 'equality'? Inequality. more like!Still, at least Harriet Harmon, from among New Labour, must be on the side of leveling down rather than paying City women fund managers even more, isn't she? Mon 07 Sep 2009 13:40:37 GMT+1 RJMolesworth http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=79#comment27 #11 and #24“It is the child’s rights that should be paramount and not the parents’ rights” Rights to what? Terrorise, be a sociopath/psychopath? We don’t know how to cure them. We can only lock them up or kill them. When do we do that and for how long?Are you born that way or made that way. It's the only question that is relevant to the argument of how you treat them in or out of the family. Mon 07 Sep 2009 13:16:30 GMT+1 LionHeartedLion http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=76#comment26 Trevor Philips on pay inequality by gender, in the City.Yep, the blokes get far too much.A fine case for LEVELLING DOWN, don'tcha think, Thatcher! Mon 07 Sep 2009 12:18:21 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=73#comment25 #20. funnyJoedunnI am not arguing with you but since you accuse me of not reading all of your post may I remind you that the point you are picking me up on should have been "army of human rights lawyers" I admit I got the quotation marks in the wrong place.You will also note that the rights of children at home and abroad (see # 6) are something that I have strong opinions about. I also have a problem with Sid’s opener #3 Narey v Balls can we not treat children’s rights as a political point scoring opportunity.We have Shamron telling us that all these problems are because of the “broken society” which is strange as his guru Thatcher said that there is no such thing as society. Therefore, if it doesn’t exist how can it be broken. Mon 07 Sep 2009 12:11:39 GMT+1 steelpulse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=70#comment24 So is Terry Wogan retiring or semi retiring?If what he was reported to have said was true - he can be retired and still "read the news" it is such a doddle. lolReading is not easy. Reading and being distracted by all sorts - is tremendously difficult - so I hope Mr Wogan was quoted out of context.Public speaking/reading is NOT easy - take it from one who never ever mastered it. A very very brief period flogging a particular career option to future school leavers.Now I could do it but still very badly. News reading and making it look easy is a mild form of genius. I go to a particular News Channel and jeer a lot that their news readers do not achieve this art. They - allegedly - do it as badly as I would, Mr McGhee.think yourself thin = Finnish ET - (Tyro)Hulk Mon 07 Sep 2009 11:55:38 GMT+1 Sid http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=67#comment23 fjd & Looternite – thanks for your interesting comments.#8 I agree that Balls will have his own advisers – but I doubt if they have the relevant expertise in child development.You say: “life in care for a child most often has the same if not a worse outcome socially for that child than if not taken into care ...” – and that will be true for the majority of children. But Narey is talking about the tiny minority of children who will be irretrievably damaged if they are left with their families.#10 I don’t think you have to be independent to be right!#15 “It is the child’s rights that should be paramount and not the parents’ rights” – agreed 100% Mon 07 Sep 2009 10:47:12 GMT+1 lordBeddGelert http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=64#comment22 I don't listen to Wogan, so cannot comment on the veracity of the comment made by one of Rowan Atkinson's characters at a stand-up...[I think set in outer space or something - maybe a visitor to this planet in a UFO?] "We call him Wogan The Terrible - because he is bloody terrible !" Harsh but fair ? I will leave it for others to judge.. Mon 07 Sep 2009 10:38:13 GMT+1 funnyJoedunn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=61#comment21 Looternite (17)Are rail staff paid differently in different parts of the country according to who owns the franchise or what? Mon 07 Sep 2009 09:58:05 GMT+1 Scotch Git http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=58#comment20 #7 SSCIn my opinion they should give the gig to the King of Lateral Thinking,the one and only Alex Lester. Mon 07 Sep 2009 09:53:59 GMT+1 funnyJoedunn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=55#comment19 Looternite,(15)Why did try to turn my perfectly reasonable question about an emotive statement form you in your 10 into an assumed stance on my part about the rights of parents?If you took the time to read my original post you would see if I am biased it is towards the protection of the child.You however, didn't answer my question when you insinuated that their was an army of lawyers out there willing to represent the most failing parents to bring up their kids how they like. I would also take issue with your assertion that social workers are pilloried for one slip. What are you referring to? The one slip that allows children to be abused for sometimes years due to bad practice and not doing the job properly, not asking to see children when visiting, not being suspicious when access is denied to property, no keeping proper records, sloppy, slack office and line management ultimately leading to the death of children?Or because they may have say got an address wrong on a form or say, late for an appointment?I haven't heard any social worker pilloried for the latter. The former though...You see these are things that can only be sorted by this service itself, I as a member of the public have no power or influence on the daily running of social services depts. Yet, as a member of the public, I should be able to make my voice heard. And yes, I have had experience of social services. The front-line staff are often constrained by finances and lack of staff, not the army of lawyers you talk about. Yes, parents have legal representation given because every citizen has the right to legal representation in front of the law...whats unusual about this?Right, get this straight. I fall in favour of the rights of the the child in any and every case. However, this does and should not be at the justification of a failing system. Mon 07 Sep 2009 09:52:04 GMT+1 Richard_SM http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=52#comment18 Dysfunctional ChildrenThere are a number of issues being raised in this area for you to consider: the call from Martin Narey; the Doncaster brothers case; Venables and Thompson (who served eight years). Only a few weeks ago, Lib Dems were challenging the fact these dysfunctional children are placed under restriction: the Doncaster brothers’ case might give them the answer. Yet the Liberal approach causes many of these problems - relaxed drug laws and violent video games being just two examples. If Venables and Thompson served eight years for murder, the Doncaster brothers could be back in just a few years time. Mon 07 Sep 2009 09:36:14 GMT+1 lucien desgai http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=49#comment17 12 BigSisI look to John Humphrys to help me through difficult periods in my life.I pray that they never take him off air, I don't know how I'd cope without his virtual hand tight in my grip. Mon 07 Sep 2009 09:35:53 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=47#comment16 #16. funnyJoedunnYes Mon 07 Sep 2009 09:30:52 GMT+1 funnyJoedunn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=44#comment15 Should train staff be paid double for working Sundays? Mon 07 Sep 2009 09:29:32 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=41#comment14 #13. funnyJoedunnFrom people I know in social services they say that these parents have legal representation paid for by the state.I would like to say here and now that overall the social services do a good job in difficult circumstances. Yet one slip and they are pilloried. It is the childs rights that should be paramount and not the parents rights. However if you think otherwise, you are entitled to have that opinion. Mon 07 Sep 2009 09:27:33 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=38#comment13 Oops, just realised - it was John Denver who made the duet with Domingo. I think Wichita Linesman was also popular and one I liked at the time, hence the Glen Campbell moment. Mon 07 Sep 2009 09:09:33 GMT+1 funnyJoedunn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=35#comment12 Looternite (10)I'd like to see some proof of this 'army' of so called lawyers that would be prepared to represent the most failed parents to bring up their kids how they like? Firstly, these parents do not have the money, secondly I don't think lawyers would take any part in upholding child abuse in any form. Mon 07 Sep 2009 09:06:18 GMT+1 Big Sister http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=32#comment11 There was one period in my life when Wogan was a truly important element of my mornings. Following a major RTA, from which I was lucky to escape alive, I had to spend time in hospital with a fractured femur. The staff in that particular ward were pretty souless, and as I was many miles away from family, I had few visitors. The one bright spot in my day was listening to Wogan's frivolous banter. There were one or two records, too, that stuck in my mind as having helped lift my spirits, one being that duet between Glen Campbell and Placido Domingo (Perhaps Love, I believe it was called) which struck me as so lovely at the time. Of course, recovering as I was from shock, my sensibilities were heightened at the time, and being alone I needed some virtual company.I can't say that I will miss Terry now, though. I think his style has changed over the years - it comes to us all, I guess - but I shall never forget the comfort he gave me at that very difficult point in my life. Mon 07 Sep 2009 09:06:01 GMT+1 Richard_SM http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=29#comment10 G20 Finance Ministers Follow UpMinimum regulation of financial markets; casino banking; million pound bonuses. We nearly dropped into the abyss. Liberal economic policy failed. So why haven’t the G20 Finance Ministers taken more action to regulate? Are governments now scared of upsetting the financial sector? What is the point at which the risk of allowing the financial sector to play roulette with the whole economy outweighs their potential tax contribution? Mon 07 Sep 2009 09:05:26 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=26#comment9 #3 SidI agree with Martin Narey of Barnardo’s that we should be prepared to step in earlier. However, we are old enough to know the expression "follow the Money" Martin Narey is not an independant expert. Therefore it is not right to say "Who’s right – the professional or the politician?". Neither is independant. No doubt the politician, has to be wary of the army of "human rights lawyers" who will happily represent the most failed parents to uphold their right to bring up their kids however they like. Mon 07 Sep 2009 08:59:01 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=23#comment8 #7 The Stainless Steel CatGood riddance to Wogan. Its because of him that I do not listen radio 2. Chris Evans is equally noxious and so I shall continue not listening to R2. We aren't allowed a Radio England, so our choice is even more restricted. Granted it is difficult to put up with Humphries and Naughtie on Today. It's the constant carping, mountains out of molehills, constantly looking for a "U" turning moment and angels on pinheads. However, in amongst all that there sometimes comes something worthy. Mon 07 Sep 2009 08:49:07 GMT+1 funnyJoedunn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=20#comment7 Sid, (2)Although you don't say it (must be the lib Dem in you) outright, I presume you are in favour of taking more children into care? I think I would tend to agree with the professional, although there is no reason to suppose Ed Balls isn't throughout aware of the situation and will have expert advisors of his own. Only, perhaps Ed Balls and his advisors take their stance for different (political) reasons to the professional. After all Balls has all the electorate to try and appease and, of course, the cost of children in care. I can't beleive its because they don't want to be seen as child pinchers...When has appearing heavy handed towards the poor, most vulnerable, least able to defend themselves been an obstacle to heavy handedness with this lot? The problem for me is, life in care for a child most often has the same if not a worse outcome socially for that child than if not taken into care. I think I have heard social workers say, "often it is a choice of two evils when having to decide about recommending taking children into care". I would also add, if they are going to take children into care, do it as young as possible to restrict the psychological and that other damage you talk about. Mon 07 Sep 2009 08:43:44 GMT+1 The Stainless Steel Cat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=17#comment6 Can we talk about the disaster to befall the radio industry?Terry Wogan is retiring from his morning show on Radio 2 at the end of the year to be replaced with (ugh) Chris Evans.I can't face Humphries and Naughtie at that time in the morning, Evans is to say the least, not my cup of tea, Radio Scotland drives me up the wall... The face of radio listening has changed considerably!The only thing worse than no Wogan in the morning would be no E. Mair in the evening.*looks above*What? Mon 07 Sep 2009 08:33:35 GMT+1 Looternite http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=14#comment5 We all should know by now about child labour in carpet manufacturing, cheap clothing and footballs. However, they are also employed in surgical tool manufacture centred around Sialkot, Pakistan.From the first link, there is a list and at #26 is Surgical Tools.The full article here:CHILD LABOR IN PAKISTAN(Rizwan Arshad, Lahore)“.....Child Labour is an important and a serious global issue through which all and sundry countries of the world are directly or indirectly affected, but, it is very common in Latin America, Africa and Asia. According to some, in several Asian countries’ 1/10 manpower consists of child Labour. In India the number of children between the ages of 10-14 has crossed above 44 million, in Pakistan this number is from 8 to 10 million, in Bangladesh 8-12 million, in Brazil 7 million, whereas their number is 12 million in Nigeria.”There is a list of occupations and we find.....26. Surgical instrument manufacturing specially in vendors workshopFrom another source, United States Department of LaborThe full article here:"I. OverviewAlthough most Pakistani children work in the agricultural sector, a large number of children work in urban centers weaving carpets, manufacturing surgical instruments, and producing sporting goods for export. There are allegations of children working in other industries including leather, footwear,1 and mining. Further research is required as the connection between child labor in these industries and the importation of such items to the United States is not clear.Surgical Instruments The United States imports surgical instruments from Pakistan, especially from the Sialkot area.28 Although there are no comprehensive studies on child labor in the production of surgical instruments for export, the International Textile, Garment and Leather Workers Federation claims that children between the ages of 10 and 15 years spend eight hours a day grinding and sanding surgical instruments.29 The Government of Pakistan's chart on child labor compiled by the provincial governments in 1993 shows 3,670 children under 17 working in this industry. The South Asian Coalition Against Child Servitude also maintains that there are thousands of children working in this industry"These surgical tools are being imported and supplied to Veterinary Surgeries, GP surgeries and health clinics. I would guess that these tools would have found their way into operating theatres by now.So next time you take your puppy or kitten to the vets for neutering (other surgical procedures from vets available), just think, that cheap surgical tool may have been made by a child who should be at junior school. It must surely be time to get the EU to act. Those poor kids have no chance to play in the sun and get an education. It is the poor kids of course in these countries and so they are stuck in this condition. Mon 07 Sep 2009 07:49:54 GMT+1 steelpulse http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=11#comment4 The End Of News?Hello, Carolyn. I tend to listen to the fag end of any bulletin and found - a giant rat?Or rather - someone else did - amongst other strange creatures.It was sad to hear about the demise of species like the Dodo. Life Stories - David Attenborough.It (Dodo) was seemingly friendly, trusting and inquisitive - and we humans clubbed it and other like the Giant Orc - to death. Extinct.Nice aren't we? Man I mean. But we got what we deserved - a Giant Rat in place of the - allegedly - lovable Dodo! And a Fanged Frog. lolThe word "Recession" was described as the act of retreating this morning. I suspect if I got together with my legal team - all several hundred of them - to discuss Dna matters - whichever the results had gone - I suspect would find we only had one backbone between us. We didn't evolve really - did we?Oh yes, and I do not think you and the panel were hard enough on one soon to be former MEP on the Westminster Hour by the way. I am free next week I believe. But then I thought that too four years ago. lol Mon 07 Sep 2009 07:47:52 GMT+1 Sid http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=8#comment3 Good news about the recession:http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/06/recession-motorways-roads-congestion-report Mon 07 Sep 2009 07:37:11 GMT+1 Sid http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=5#comment2 Narey v BallsMartin Narey of Barnardo’s says children should be taken earlier from families which ‘can’t be fixed’. Ed Balls, Secretary of State for Children, Schools and Families, says they shouldn’t. Who’s right – the professional or the politician?We know that persistent neglect/abuse in the early years damages the brain – in particular, cortisol damages the hippocampus, responsible for some key brain functions including long-term memory and spatial navigation. It has been proposed that a new category, developmental trauma disorder, be added to the manual of mental health disorders (DSM IV). Children who are left with abusive families are damaged for life.You reported in July that the number of failed adoptions was increasing – more children were being returned to the care system as parents were unable to cope. This is partly due to the Children Act 1989, which raised the threshold for removing children from harmful environments. This means that children are left longer in abusive/neglectful situations, and are correspondingly more difficult for an adoptive family to cope with.Time for a re-think, I’d say ... Mon 07 Sep 2009 07:33:41 GMT+1 kiranjast http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=2#comment1 This post has been Removed Mon 07 Sep 2009 06:26:59 GMT+1 Scotch Git http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/pm/2009/09/am_glass_box_for_monday_2.shtml?page=0#comment0 Good morning, Carolyn! Or do you prefer Sequin?An investigation should be launched into the whereabouts of a certain Mr. Mair, specifically; is he in the company of a certain Mr. Shatner...I think we should be telt!>8-D Mon 07 Sep 2009 05:13:15 GMT+1