Comments for http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html en-gb 30 Fri 30 Jan 2015 23:50:49 GMT+1 A feed of user comments from the page found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html kicboy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=98#comment71 2018 VOTING First round: England 2 votes (eliminated), Netherlands-Belgium 4; Spain-Portugal 7; Russia 9. (No absolute majority)Second round: Netherlands-Belgium 2; Spain-Portugal 7; Russia 13. (Russia obtain absolute majority)Who did Geoff Thompson vote for in R2? Has this been disclosed? If we assume the same 7 people voted for Spain in R1 & R2, Netherland-Belgium retained 2 votes in R2 from R1 and 2 tfrd to Russia......then does this mean that GT voted for Russia along with whoever else voted for UK in R1 (Hayatou? or Ogura? - tbc)?If that is the case then can we must assume that Geoff Thompson was offering a benevolent hand of peace to emulate his great leader and Nobel wannabee? This is all after the Lord Mayor's show, but England's bid was remarkeable and excellent in almost all ways except one. One of the campaign's messages was 'Football United'. Clearly, in England this is not the case. The briefest of input from Richard Scudamore was a good signal about the degree to which the FA and the Premier League are united. FOOTBALL UNITED..? Don't make me laugh... Fri 03 Dec 2010 15:11:48 GMT+1 mws257 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=97#comment70 Ok. Here goes ....and I'll probably be moderated off here too as I was yesterday.....But I will repeat exactly what I said yesterday....I believe then as I do now that England knew that they were not going to be successful, otherwise why drag into the arena our future king and our Prime Minister (who incidently should have been here with us sorting out our economic problems and seeking solutions to our youth unemployment and not on a jolly in Switzerland.)It's not rocket science if our bid was any good, that and that alone would have been the momemtum to drive it to success.What struck me a odd and over the top was the inclusion of a Royal and a Prime Minister that was already over stretched with a work load.And again as yesterday, I ask did anybody thank Panorama for exposing their finding towards FIFA? I think not....All I heard was this tripe about how it was to 'influence' the FIFA officials into not voting for our campaign. What utter tripe....They were never ever going to be influenced by such a show. Why would 19 officials be seen to support three questionable ones? They'd lose to much kudos and therefore it would never happen. I side with Lord Sugar on this point. There was nothing in the Panorama program to sway the officials off the bid presented by the UK.UK lost on the simplest of campaign mistakes.....OVERSELL! Thu 02 Dec 2010 17:37:03 GMT+1 reggiefromruncorn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=95#comment69 I haven't had chance to watch the fun and games on TV.Who's introducing it - Sir Terry, Stuart Hall ? Thu 02 Dec 2010 13:50:03 GMT+1 deebal http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=94#comment68 Once upon a time, England had a bid! Then came the Times, followed by BBC....and England had no bid no more!!! Sorry Cameron, Beckham and the Prince...It's not Fifa's fault! Thu 02 Dec 2010 13:14:24 GMT+1 Joe http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=93#comment67 Isn't it true that governments are not allowed by FIFA to interfere with the affairs of the football associations? Thu 02 Dec 2010 13:11:51 GMT+1 Cape Town 2020 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=91#comment66 @ U14274116What's this about debt in South Africa? South Africa used revenues not debt to fund the World Cup, its stadia, buses, trains, roads, and other much needed infrastructure e.g. improved airports.Perhaps the concept of revenues is not that well known in countries with huge deficits and EU bail-outs.South Africa only spent about the cost of the entire Wembley on its new venues. Thu 02 Dec 2010 13:07:54 GMT+1 The Futurista http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=90#comment65 "There is not one negative about having a World Cup in our country," said David Beckham".Is that why you are quotes as saying that you want to permanently relocate to LA? Is that why you don't live in the UK and pay the extortionate taxes? Thu 02 Dec 2010 10:01:19 GMT+1 Norman Conquest http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=88#comment64 "There is not one negative about having a World Cup in our country," said David Beckham".Zat so Dave? There is at least one negative -- your ugly face Dave and that of your wife too. Thu 02 Dec 2010 09:50:54 GMT+1 be the hokey http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=87#comment63 not much chance I'm afraid - Russia are clear favourites with the bookies (even money) whilst England are almost 2-1.Qatar are odds-on for 2022.Link those 2 items as you will. Thu 02 Dec 2010 08:59:25 GMT+1 sledger10 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=86#comment62 If England do win the 2018 World Cup bid the biggest hope for me is that Cameron will be long gone by then!The damage that his government are already doing to this country with their extreme budget cuts is utterly disgraceful! Thu 02 Dec 2010 08:26:41 GMT+1 sledger10 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=84#comment61 I would be very surprised if England win this to be honest!We cannot even organise ourselves in adverse weather conditions and our transport system is in chaos.How will Britain even cope with the Olympics let alone the World Cup!Maybe Cameron would have been better advised to stay closer to home given the enormous problems we have here right now!The other thing is the COST of another major event which quite frankly we just don't have the money for.Or, has Cameron conveniently forgotten the misery he is putting this country through with his budget cuts?! Thu 02 Dec 2010 08:22:04 GMT+1 The Futurista http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=83#comment60 The 2 issues for me are - Legacy and Billions of money that WC is supposed to bring.1) Seb Coe says that English bid has the best Legacy, does it though? All stadiums are already built or 2/3 of them at least. All infrastructure is already in place, rather poor infrastructure - railways are prime example - but it's there. So the only legacy English bid has is spending billions on logistics, cutting school's sports budgets and then our generation of taxpayer being stuck paying for Olympics and World Cup (In Milton Keynes?). I love how the Olympics to be held in London, yet the whole of Britain will be paying for it. You lot are criticising the Russian bid, but they are already building 7 out of 16 stadiums regardless if they get the World Cup or not, they are already building the high speed rail network, new hotels, new airports, bus stations, roads. Modernisation of the whole country - that is legacy. The best of all their country CAN afford a world cup.2) Those who are claiming that World Cup is ever profitable for the country. Look at South Africa, now crippled for the next 20 years with World Cup debt. FIFA and FIFA partners don't pay any taxes, take all the profits from merchandise and ticket sales.As mentioned above the only people who ever make money from the World Cup are FIFA and their partners, not government.Our generation is expected to pay for all these pensioners who are refusing to die, Olympics, World Cup, whilst dealing with billions of government deficit, our kids aren't expected to outlive their parents meanwhile. Gotta love everyone throwing in the racist card on here about Russia. But gotta say that attitudes towards migrant workers from Eastern Europe here, is just as bad as it is towards Blacks in Eastern Europe. The subtle racism is a wide occurance in Britain. What is that they say about glass houses and stones? Thu 02 Dec 2010 07:24:42 GMT+1 Chris http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=81#comment59 I am more interested in a fair and democratic vote to decide who hosts any future world cup and not the issues raised by the recent panarama programme which have been well documented for many years now. It seems our bid team have no shame in their attempts to win the bid. Thu 02 Dec 2010 07:20:57 GMT+1 Chris http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=80#comment58 This post has been Removed Thu 02 Dec 2010 07:00:23 GMT+1 Cheshire Indian http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=79#comment57 This post has been Removed Thu 02 Dec 2010 06:40:52 GMT+1 MarktheHorn http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=77#comment56 Lets just hope the FIFA delugation decided on the winner bid didn't see the disgraceful sences from St Andeews last night otherwise they'll probably think "English fans causing trouble againn"!? and look to vote elsewhere although Russian supporters aren't any better with their racist chanting at times. Thu 02 Dec 2010 06:37:53 GMT+1 WHL_N17 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=76#comment55 James writes "If the England bid team ends up being unsuccessful, nobody will be able to accuse them of not working hard enough".True - but they will be able to accuse your paymasters with wrecking the bid, thanks to their intransigence at airing Panorama just three days before the vote. Thu 02 Dec 2010 03:54:00 GMT+1 dna1000 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=75#comment54 Nice to see Russia have pulled out.Putin hasn't travelled because he has sufficient reason to believe he wont win and is too embarrassed to be present and lose.I wonder if Panorama have actually done the England bid a massive favour! Could the England bid team be doing so much to rectify the damage done that these last days of grovelling will actually win them the bid....? Thu 02 Dec 2010 01:07:43 GMT+1 bounce bounce bounce http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=73#comment53 2018 - England2022 - AustraliaIt must NOT go to USA. Thu 02 Dec 2010 01:00:11 GMT+1 goonergetit http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=72#comment52 Western ideology, eastern religon, colonialism, capitalism, communism, means the choice is one that could possibly be very strongly influenced by powerful western governments and their choice would be a world cup staged in Russia. Wed 01 Dec 2010 23:11:37 GMT+1 David http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=70#comment51 As much as I dislike our PM, he is right to go to Zurich. Yes, Cameron, Wales and Beckham will flatter many egos, but the more serious minded voters will realise that political commitment will assist in the smooth running of the tournament. Blair's appearance in Singapore helped convince delegates that infrastructure developments could be delivered for the Olympics. The economic benefits of hosting a World Cup are blindingly obvious. My biggest worry is that there will be a comfort feeling that England will always be a fallback option if a more risky host nation finds that it cannot deliver. After all, with our stadia, we would be able to host a world cup at short notice. Wed 01 Dec 2010 22:20:20 GMT+1 RSOLE http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=69#comment50 At 8:37pm on 01 Dec 2010, Juicys78 wrote:-------------------irrespective of the defeat of napoleon Politicians should keep well away from sport particulary smarmy lying toads such as cameron and his cronies let them make a hash of running the country english foorball is already in dire straits we dont need or require them to add to its plight on the world stage. tell me who in the world takes this country seriously anymore? cameron knows it to him its nothing more than a PR excersise which of course will back fire and rightly so, the guy has nothing to offer england and has nothing to offer the world at large. Wed 01 Dec 2010 21:21:26 GMT+1 Deep-heat http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=68#comment49 #7, AndyPlowright - interesting post. Good to see you're prepared to slum it on the football blogs as well as the cricket. Disagree though, with the suggestion that if we were to host the WC we could turn a loss. For various reasons (which are too boring to write about now) I think that's unlikely.Your comment about FIFA's willingness to use politics when it suits them however, is very relevant. Further to the example you have offered there is a very interesting revelation in todays Guardian that FIFA have insisted that the host nation will suspend all regulations relating to foreign exchange for themselves and an unspecified number of special people to be named at a later date. These regulations are in place to prevent money laundering by criminals, among other illegal activities. The IOC have not requested any such exemption for the 2012 Olympics.Are FIFA officials that special? Are they above the law? Does FIFA's charitable status warrant such massive leeway on the part of a government?I desperately want a WC in this country, but only on legal, reasonable terms. Increasingly it is becoming apparent that FIFA are only prepared to dance to their own tune and expect everybody to step into line. They are not the kind of people that I would like to get into bed with, and I feel slightly embarrassed at the fawning, almost grovelling approach that our Prime Minister, our Royalty and our 'national icons' are taking.Two outcomes would make me happy:1 - We simply state now - before the vote - that we don'[t want to play this game, with these people, any more and step out of the process all together, integrity relatively intact.2 - We win the WC but refuse to bend our laws or our principles (such as they are) at the whim of Blatter et al.The first scenario will obvously not happen. The second is a distant possibility. I think I'd probably rather this all simply went away. Wed 01 Dec 2010 21:08:55 GMT+1 Juicys78 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=66#comment48 Last point, Cameron should not be bashed for going out there and helping with our bid....it makes logical sense, we are country of poor weather, with history to provide our tourism....can you imagine the amounts of money this will generate and help with our profile. Wed 01 Dec 2010 20:47:01 GMT+1 Juicys78 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=65#comment47 This post has been Removed Wed 01 Dec 2010 20:41:00 GMT+1 Juicys78 http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=63#comment46 Haha Charade you are...I love how you backed up your comments by quoting Napolean...that fat fool managed to loose to the useless English at Waterloo and Trafalger...please if you are French, please can you confirm what you guys bring to the world apart from strikes, bad breath and cars with poor electrics Wed 01 Dec 2010 20:37:44 GMT+1 cypresrhicin http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=62#comment45 The UK media has attacked FIFA committee members. Currently the country can't win the right to host the World Cup. Wed 01 Dec 2010 19:54:38 GMT+1 Lewis Standing http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=61#comment44 RE; 21. Well said sir, did anyone see the sheer volume of criticism the BBC received about its' panorama programme? (on its own HYS). It was shocking. How is it in the public interest to investigate corruption in a corporation such as FIFA when its about to decide our fate the crowds yelled. How do you reply to that? FIFA members decide which country gets the opportunity to host the world cup, gain enjoyment plus a lot of financial opportunities, and there are questions about whether they accept/give bribes or sell tickets on the black market. Now who would on earth would want to know the truth? Who would want the up coming vote scrutinized to ensure its legitimacy? Not the british public apparently. Wed 01 Dec 2010 19:21:25 GMT+1 tony http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=59#comment43 We don't give money for votes. 'Trade agreement anyone?' Wed 01 Dec 2010 19:14:40 GMT+1 Cheshire Indian http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=58#comment42 There is no reason why politicians shouldn't get involved in the bidding for sporting events. Granted FIFA and the IOC ensure that neither they nor the athletes get taxed on any income gained but the benefits overall are enormous. Hundreds of thousands of visitors spending multiple nights in Britain equals to plenty of income for tourism, hospitality and retail businesses across the country. When you take into account the 2.5% VAT on these transaction you are talking about hundreds of millions of £s of tax related income.Not to mention the many new jobs created which also equals to higher income tax collections and lower benefit pay-outs. In addition there are the expected infrastructure upgrades which after the month long sporting event finishes are there for the benefit of all the residents.And of course this also creates various intangible business opportunities which can be conducted to coincide with the World Cup. Trade bodies can organise seminars and expos to ensure that people coming from around the world can combine a bit of business with pleasure.Not quite sure who will end up winning but the P.R. bombardment created by potentially the three most famous Englishmen at the moment will definitely not hurt. Wed 01 Dec 2010 19:04:09 GMT+1 Copperconk http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=56#comment41 Interesting that Putin is not travelling to back his countries bid.Interesting (not covered by the British Media yet) is that Putin has pulled out because he no longer supports the Russian bid and they are in turmoil because of this. Wed 01 Dec 2010 18:56:07 GMT+1 kicboy http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=55#comment40 Just heard a very confident Russian delegate on talkSPORT. With Putin not travelling, do they know something we do not? And what about Michael Emenalo's rise to power in London? It seems that Russian assets are well placed to capitalise, perhaps..?Jack Warner, Hayatou, Chuck Blazer, Emenalo..... Wed 01 Dec 2010 18:38:47 GMT+1 Mr Chelsea http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=54#comment39 I tell you what I find funny, is the sucking up, Cameron, Prince Willy & Beckham are doing to the CONCACAF guys. Im sure they're smart enough to see through the fake praising/smiles of the England team and vote for Spain/Portugal or Russia instead. Wed 01 Dec 2010 18:34:48 GMT+1 Mr Chelsea http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=52#comment38 I see this "Charade you are" chap is posting another one of his long dissertations which make no sense what so ever hence the removal of them. LOLGive up!!! Wed 01 Dec 2010 18:31:41 GMT+1 RSOLE http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=51#comment37 This post has been Removed Wed 01 Dec 2010 18:08:37 GMT+1 rl http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=50#comment36 HAHA CharadeYouAre,I'm a football fan and I know I would like nothing more than to see the World Cup in my country, and while I accept there may be sceptics I think this country has enough genuine football fans who would love to see it here for me to justify saying "most" of the English public want it here. I wasn't commenting on what people in other country's think as I have no idea. But at the end of the day (sadly I must admit), the only people whose opinions matter are those 24 or so FIFA committee members Wed 01 Dec 2010 18:08:17 GMT+1 RSOLE http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=48#comment35 This post has been Removed Wed 01 Dec 2010 17:58:50 GMT+1 rl http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=47#comment34 HAHA CharadeYouAre,What do you want to happen then? Do you just want 20 nobodys in suits from the FA to turn up and deliver a characterless, uninspiring presentation?It's not just you in this country, I think you'll find most people do want England to host it, and as much effort as possible has been done to try and get the World Cup here.And I'm not quite sure what you're getting at with your "nation of shopkeepers" comment... Wed 01 Dec 2010 17:47:58 GMT+1 RSOLE http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=45#comment33 This post has been Removed Wed 01 Dec 2010 17:45:02 GMT+1 RSOLE http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=44#comment32 This post has been Removed Wed 01 Dec 2010 17:39:30 GMT+1 RSOLE http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=43#comment31 this country is as crooked and corrupt as the old soviet regime but hey dont tell everyone. and no ammount of Beckhams, mccartnys and presentations will convince the wider world otherwise.This nation is bankrupt and bereft of any ideas that the wider world wants to take any notice of. or take seriously at all. Wed 01 Dec 2010 17:34:08 GMT+1 RSOLE http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=41#comment30 England has no god given right to host this WC just like they have no given right or chance of winning it! no matter where they hold it.the spin doctors can try as hard as they like but lets remind ourselves the reputation of England is both tarnished and damaged not just in Football but in the wider world.Cameron and the boony prince along with " erm duh " beckham reveal we have not progressed at all and in the worlds eyes are pretty useless now at most things. as Napoleon said all those centrys ago........the english? who are they? ohhh yes a nation of shopkeepers Wed 01 Dec 2010 17:29:58 GMT+1 RSOLE http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=40#comment29 " when sport meets Politics "It all ready has !!! along with all the hype and spin that has been associated with MPS.clearly a disaster to me Cameron would be better serving the problems we have here as opposed to PHOTO OPOORTUNITIES! the guy is a complete SHAM! he was at the election and is now along with his hoppo Clegg.keep Politics and Politicians OUT OF SPORT!specially these Tory toffs Cameron,the prince and that other ego beckam i hope Russia gets it! Wed 01 Dec 2010 17:24:24 GMT+1 Idioterna http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=38#comment28 This post has been Removed Wed 01 Dec 2010 17:17:53 GMT+1 rjaggar http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=37#comment27 One thing I suspect that will become immeasurably more complicated in years to come will be the issue of climate in June/July.To me, there is a real issue that due to the domination of the European calendar for club football, many places that might like to host a World Cup will be difficult sells due to the sheer heat at that time of year.Let's see a few examples:Now let's suppose you really wanted to promote peace in the Middle East and had this totally mad idea of a joint Iraq-Iran bid for the World Cup. I just don't see how you could do that without having it at a different time of year. Do you think multimillionaire rich boys would say: 'hey, this is important enough for us to change our whole calendar for one seasond to promote something really important?'You could say a similar thing about, say, Morocco and Algeria; Nigeria and Ghana; Thailand and Vietnam. Those are just geographical examples, not case studies or political points being made.......What about China or India? What time of year would make a great world cup in China? I doubt it would be June, but I might be wrong.......Sure, the politics of a decision under the current rules are perhaps thrillingly opaque, but I suspect the time is fast coming when people will want to sit down, have a really fundamental chat about what they really want football to achieve in the 21st century and what that might mean about the way the whole world game is organised, governed and marketed..... Wed 01 Dec 2010 17:15:38 GMT+1 SportsFan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=36#comment26 Sport and politics never work togetherNow only under 24hrs left till we find out who will host both 2018 and 2022 World CupEngland should win the bid to host 2018 World Cup Wed 01 Dec 2010 16:51:57 GMT+1 JoC http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=34#comment25 Interesting piece James. I'm curious as to how much you and your fellow journalists have invested emotionally in following the bidding process through from beginning to end? Will you be - using a footballing term - gutted like Danny Jordan was back in 2000, if England too misses out...not surprised or even angry at how it's all been run? Is there a friendly rivalry between you and the other bidding nations' media, who do the neutrals back and what is their general feeling about how the Beeb acted with the Panorama programme? Are they behind the investigative approach or do they think it was unbelievably stupid timing on behalf of a bidding nation? Wed 01 Dec 2010 16:34:16 GMT+1 excellentcatblogger http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=33#comment24 23. At 3:52pm on 01 Dec 2010, Alliterative hornet wrote:"Of course our PM should be out there backing the bid, we have already invested about £50 million in it so we need to do all we can to actually win the bid."I don't think 'we' (the British taxpayer) have spent £50m on it.My understanding is that the FA and the corporate sponsors of the bid who've been bank-rolling it.Given that, according to Panorama, Netherlands-Belgium bid was costed to lose money, I wonder if a business case can be made for the English bid.Whilst I'd be happy if England won, I wouldn't be particularly bothered if they didn't and I don't think David Cameron should be spending so much of his time in Zurich.===========================================================Good point: has the England bid been fully costed? The thing is we think that our infrastructure is OK but when FIFA take charge in the build up (as Brazil has found out to its chagrin) what they ask for they used to getting. FIFA really like brand new stadia and refurbishing an old stadium is a bit of a drag. The fact is that FIFA likes spending other countries monies regardless of whenther that country can afford it. Wed 01 Dec 2010 16:26:06 GMT+1 tony http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=31#comment23 It is by mixing with the likes of Will and David that Cameron will enhance his street cred. They really are 'one of us'. Wed 01 Dec 2010 16:18:10 GMT+1 Alliterative hornet http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=30#comment22 "Of course our PM should be out there backing the bid, we have already invested about £50 million in it so we need to do all we can to actually win the bid."I don't think 'we' (the British taxpayer) have spent £50m on it.My understanding is that the FA and the corporate sponsors of the bid who've been bank-rolling it.Given that, according to Panorama, Netherlands-Belgium bid was costed to lose money, I wonder if a business case can be made for the English bid.Whilst I'd be happy if England won, I wouldn't be particularly bothered if they didn't and I don't think David Cameron should be spending so much of his time in Zurich. Wed 01 Dec 2010 15:52:29 GMT+1 Teamtalker http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=29#comment21 Perversely could the Panorama doc work in Englands favour? Might those accused of corruption might vote for England to prove they are not corrupt? Wed 01 Dec 2010 15:37:26 GMT+1 RantingMrP http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=27#comment20 FIFA is rotten to the core, and it is about time someone stood up and stated the obvious. Panorama's producers and investigators deserve medals. It's a shame, though, that Panorama did not include Mr Blatter in their investigations - now THAT would have made for interesting viewing! Wed 01 Dec 2010 15:21:41 GMT+1 chris brown http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=26#comment19 Of course our PM should be out there backing the bid, we have already invested about £50 million in it so we need to do all we can to actually win the bid.Sport and politics also share the same issue. That is the majority people at the very top end of the FA and FIFA etc have no real football experince (bar Platini) and are generally clueless about what real fans want and the game itself from grass roots to the top level. This is simialr with politcians in Government, they are generally clueless about real life and are a cut off from reality.So FIFA suits and Governments have plenty in common. Wed 01 Dec 2010 14:58:20 GMT+1 Kapnag http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=25#comment18 #6 how much money do you think a World cup would be worth to the country? That's why he's behind it. That's all the world cup is about now, nothing to do with the football! Wed 01 Dec 2010 14:56:04 GMT+1 Graham http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=23#comment17 This post has been Removed Wed 01 Dec 2010 14:44:33 GMT+1 hackerjack http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=22#comment16 Is it correct that the current Prime Minister is wasting him time at this event when he should be running the affairs of the United Kingdom.-------------------------------------------------------------------------I'm not a Cameron fan, but he is out there trying to help us win a bid that could bring BILLIONS of pounds to the UK economy over the next 8 years, create hundreds of jobs and give a reason for foreign companies to invest in the country.I'd say that it's a very good use of a couple of days of his time. Wed 01 Dec 2010 14:39:44 GMT+1 Vox Populi http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=20#comment15 4. At 12:34pm on 01 Dec 2010, Tony Torrance wrote:Is it correct that the current Prime Minister is wasting him time at this event when he should be running the affairs of the United Kingdom---------------------------------------------------------------------Hosting a World Cup event will bring revenue, tourists and jobs to this country and give the sports/football-loving public (British, not just English) a chance to see a World Cup here for the first time since 1966.This is an important affair for the UK! Wed 01 Dec 2010 14:39:22 GMT+1 tony http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=19#comment14 US memos portray the president (Sarkozy) as undiplomatic and sometimes uncouth and in need of careful handling. Wed 01 Dec 2010 13:52:39 GMT+1 Yorkieyra http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=18#comment13 Why did France not win the right to host the Olympics? Wed 01 Dec 2010 13:48:48 GMT+1 tony http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=16#comment12 No snow shovelling - health and safety! Wed 01 Dec 2010 13:44:10 GMT+1 Big_Donga http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=15#comment11 6. At 12:52pm on 01 Dec 2010, strcprstskrzkrk wrote:I would like to know why PM is spending time effort (at cost to the taxpayer)...How very shortsighted of you! Have you not thought how many billions of pounds this event would bring to the UK, in taxes, as well as the obvious profits for all UK businesses? Wed 01 Dec 2010 13:44:08 GMT+1 Looking forwad to Yeovil away Blade http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=13#comment10 Why is everyone complaining about Cameron being there? magicdarkshadow summed it up well. What do you expect to be doing, shoveling your snow off your pavement? Wed 01 Dec 2010 13:40:06 GMT+1 rl http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=12#comment9 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/olympics_2012/4657071.stmReading that it appears Cameron isn't wasting anyone's time being out there bar the people here who don't want England to host the world cup. Like it or not, the big politicians do make the difference.Well said magicDarkshadow Wed 01 Dec 2010 13:25:35 GMT+1 magicDarkshadow http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=11#comment8 Is it correct that the current Prime Minister is wasting him time at this event when he should be running the affairs of the United Kingdom.-------------------------------------------------------------------------In regard to this comment. Cameron is between a rock and a hard place. The same critics having a moan that he's out there lobbying, would be the first to complain if he wasn't. The comments would simply change to "Cameron and government don't care about football". Or "If it was a posh sport he'd be there". Then there will comments about how much money the World cup brings in and how foolish of him not to meet FIFA when there's so much riding on it etc. Personally I'm glad he's out there. If we really want this World cup we should have our PM out there charming (sucking up) to the bigwigs. Although they don't care who Cameron is per se, its being seen and photographed with the UK Prime Minister that some of FIFA's bigwigs want for their own vanity. Wed 01 Dec 2010 13:10:44 GMT+1 tony http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=9#comment7 I see that David Beckham is on the team. If it fails I expect he will say that he was actually carrying an injury. Wed 01 Dec 2010 12:56:22 GMT+1 AndyPlowright http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=8#comment6 "What sport and politics have in common is their unpredictability and this sums up the drama of the World Cup bidding process."Wrong. What sport and politics have in common is their ability to suck up to the other when it's advantageous to do so. England's cricketers in the past were left hanging out to dry by the then Government's cowardice in not applying a ban on playing within Zimbabwe. Australia's ruling party applied a ban but ours did nothing. FIFA are threatening Ghana with sanctions:http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/africa/9243619.stm "Under Fifa rules, national football associations must not be subject to government control."Yet according to the BBC Panorama report, FIFA demand specific legislation to be introduced for a successful World Cup bid over matters like tax and commercial rights. In FIFA's eyes, it is bad for politicians to get involved in football, but totally acceptable for an undemocratic organisation like FIFA to get involved in the laws of a country!I have no desire for the World Cup to be held here. It will not make this country a mass of money and could well turn out to be a financial loss for us. Wed 01 Dec 2010 12:54:12 GMT+1 Macca http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=6#comment5 As commented on a different blog...The Prime Minister should not be involved in a non political exercise to win a bid for a sporting event. I know this is nothing new and politicians were actively supporting and working on the Olympic bid also.I would like to know why PM is spending time effort (at cost to the taxpayer) to secure this bid whilst the coalition has just cut the sporting budget for schools. Surely the way to encourage and generate a new generation of sporting heroes is to provide more opportunity for the kids out there. Not just one sport but in a range of them.The FA should be the only people tending and involved in providing the bid for FIFA World Cups, just as UK Athletics should be the only ones involved in providing the bid for the Olympics.Politicians should focus on the running the country. Wed 01 Dec 2010 12:52:13 GMT+1 ReclaimTheGame http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=5#comment4 This post has been Removed Wed 01 Dec 2010 12:46:51 GMT+1 Tony Torrance http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=4#comment3 Is it correct that the current Prime Minister is wasting him time at this event when he should be running the affairs of the United Kingdom. Wed 01 Dec 2010 12:34:58 GMT+1 Jesus the Teddy Bear http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=2#comment2 Well thats that then, if the Times and the BBC didnt kill our bid off, "Call me Dave" is sure too.england 2030 anyone ? Wed 01 Dec 2010 12:28:25 GMT+1 G-Dog_Hammers_fan http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=1#comment1 Please vote on whether Panorama were right to broadcast the FIFA documentary on Monday 29th Nov.http://www.pollpub.com/were-the-bbc-right-in-broadcasting-their-panorama-documentary-about-fifa-corruption-on-monday-2.aspx Wed 01 Dec 2010 12:08:25 GMT+1 tony http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/12/where_sport_and_politics_meet.html?page=0#comment0 Politics is about Power and Money, natural bedfellows with this type of Sport. See also Olympics, Motorsport ...... Wed 01 Dec 2010 12:02:26 GMT+1